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Top 50 DC Characters #10-6

And now, DC…

10. Oracle (Barbara Gordon) (79 (1) as Batgirl) – 470 points (3 first place votes)

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Created by Gardner Fox and Carmine Infantino, Barbara Gordon was the daughter of Police Commissioner James Gordon, but was also secretly the crimefighter, Batgirl. Barbara was brilliant, and eventually realized she could do more good in the world with her mind than by patrolling Gotham City at night, so she retired as Batgirl.

Tragically, soon after her retirement, Barbara was paralyzed when the villain Joker shot her, in an attempt to rattle Batman. Thanks to the efforts of writer Kim Yale and her husband, John Ostrander, Gordon was re-modeled as Oracle, the wheelchair bound computer genius of the DC Universe.

Chuck Dixon made Oracle a major player in the Batman books, as support for Batman and his fellow crimefighters. Eventually, Dixon created a title called Birds of Prey built around Oracle, who would employ superhero operatives to do missions for her. Her most prominent operative was Black Canary, and the two women became great friends. The Huntress was Oracle’s second major operative (not chronologically, as a number of heroines had preceded Black Canary).

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Oracle was so important in the DC Universe that she even joined the Justice League!!

Barbara is still running her Birds of Prey operation, all the while supplying superheroes with information if they need it, making Barbara one of the most prominent heroes in all of the DC Universe.

Here is why Luke Z. had Babs #1…

I admit I always liked Barbara Gordon’s as Batgirl. She was probably the first female superhero I ever liked as a character, as opposed to because she was played on TV by Lynda Carter (sorry – I was young and shallow). She didn’t have powers or battle-armor or immense wealth, and she wasn’t out for revenge or redemption; in fact, she had no good reason to be a superhero at all except that she really, really wanted to be one. The unique thing about her was her enthusiasm. Tragic, reluctant, or world-weary heroes can make for compelling stories, but I always related to the only character I knew of who seemed like she wanted to be a superhero as much as I did as a kid.

So it says something about Oracle that as much as I liked Barb as Batgirl, I don’t think I’d want to see her change back.

Barbara rebounded from one of the most blatant “Women in Refrigerators” moments in a major comic (no offense to Alan Moore or Commissioner Gordon fans, but an established superheroine being sacrificed solely for the explicitly-stated-in-story purpose of getting a reaction from a male member of Batman’s supporting cast is kind of extreme) to be consistently and believably portrayed as having become stronger for what she’s been through.

Regardless of its original intent, today The Killing Joke is more notable as part of Oracle’s story than James Gordon’s. No to sound corny, but Barb fought her way out of the refrigerator. Batgirl was the rare vigilante with a sense of fun; Oracle is an indispensable asset to the forces of good. She runs her own team; heroes – both male and female – come to her for help; and she is respected by the entire superhero community. Despite being confined to a wheelchair, she’s arguably the strongest female character in the modern DCU. And while it’s a cliché to say a hero’s intelligence in his or her greatest asset, Barb’s in a class by herself: a heroic mastermind. She’s just a great idea for a character, and one of the few that you can look at and say that there should be more characters like her.

Thanks, Luke!

9. Robin (Tim Drake) – 502 points (3 first place votes)

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Created by Marv Wolfman, with a costume designed by the great Neal Adams, Tim Drake burst on to the DC Universe scene with a storm in the early 90s. After the death of Jason Todd, the second Robin, Batman was getting a bit too serious, and young Tim Drake realized this. Drake had also used detective skills to figure out that Batman was Bruce Wayne, so Drake approached Dick Grayson to go back to Batman to be Robin again. Grayson turned it down, but recommended instead that DRAKE become the next Robin.

And after a long time training, finally Batman agreed to let Drake be the new Robin.

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Since then, Tim has served with distinction, while also leading the superhero groups Young Justice and Teen Titans.

Robin is currently a member of the Titans while continuing his patrol with Batman, who recently officially adopted Tim after Tim’s father was murdered.

Here is why Ian Astheimer had Robin #1 on his list…

If anyone deserves a break, it’s Tim Drake. Lately, he’s been a magnet for death. His ex-girlfriend died (and totally deserves a case in the cave). His dad died, prompting his stepmom to have a mental collapse and end up in a psychiatric facility. His best friend died. One of his former love interests died a second time. And, his other best friend died after losing his powers.

Tim’s life wasn’t always mired in death, however. Once upon a time, he was a happy-go-lucky kid with the best deductive logic on the block. After seeing the Flying Graysons in action and watching surveillance footage of the Dynamic Duo years later, Tim put two and two together and realized, oh, hey, Dick Grayson is Robin. And — wait a second…! — Dick’s the ward of Bruce Wayne, multimillionaire playboy, a natural fit for the Dark Knight. Tim came to the conclusion countless cops, crooks, and caped crusaders couldn’t when he was the rip old age of nine. He’s one of the greatest minds in the DCU.

He parlayed that brilliance into becoming a fairly accomplished hacker and would probably be at MIT right now, if (a) DC was willing to let him age; (b) he wasn’t such a colossal Batman & Robin fanboy that he refused to let Bruce slip into darkness after the Joker blew up Jason Todd; and (C) his mother didn’t die, spurring him to put on a domino mask and forever avenge her. Yes, another death. At some point, Tim really needs to throw down with the Grim Reaper.

How Drake’s managed to keep himself together, in the face of so much tragedy, is beyond my comprehension. Maybe he’s in deep denial. Maybe he’s keeping his emotions bottled. Maybe it’s a testament to his strength of character. Maybe it’s bad writing. I don’t know. I just hope he takes the time to cope before he becomes as dark and jaded as Batman was after Jason’s “death.”

Drake is, of course, the ideal candidate to pick up the cape and cowl, should Bruce ever retire. Dick’s the fun-loving acrobat, turned soloist who gets his ass handed to him every month by the lamest of villains. Jason’s the petty punk, turned anti-social zombie vigilante, thanks to a wall-punch. Tim’s the brilliant mind, who understands the balance between light and dark that the role needs. His initial reluctance to accept his heroic fate was understandable; Bruce’s are some giant, scalloped boots to fill. Now, Tim is Bruce’s adopted son, and he seems more than willing to walk in his father’s footsteps.

But, first, can we add a little levity to the poor guy’s life? Tim Drake deserves a break.

Thanks, Ian!

8. Wonder Woman – 542 points (13 first place votes)

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Created by William Moulton Marston, Wonder Woman is Diana, of the Amazons, who won a contest to win the right to represent the Amazons in the world of Man.

That is just what Diana does, serving as an Ambassador of Peace, while at the same time, also fighting crime, including being a prominent member of the Justice League of America.

More recently, Wonder Woman became a controversial figure when the whole world saw her kill the villain Maxwell Lord. Wonder Woman has established a secret identity as Diana Prince, an operative for the United States’ Department of Metahuman Affairs.

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She is currently reeling from very recent events, where her mother, Queen Hippolyta (thought dead) returned and waged a war upon the United States. Now Wonder Woman is one of the only Amazons left, and the world might not think so highly of her at the moment.

Why did Michael Rankins have Wonder Woman #1? Let’s find out…

Why Wonder Woman?

Because she is the one DCU superheroine — heck, the only superheroine, period — who NEEDS to exist. If there is a powerful Superman, and a brilliant Batman, there must necessarily be a Wonder Woman who is the equal of both, and in her own way, better than either.

Diana is the mother Eve to the two-headed Adam represented by Kal-El/Clark (brawn) and Bruce (brain). She serves as a reminder to men that without women, we don’t even exist — even the metahuman among us. She is superior to any man, without yielding the undeniable power of her
womanhood. In fact, she flaunts it. Her hilariously impractical — yet undeniably compelling — costume roars: “Yes, I’m a woman. I have breasts and hips and bare skin and legs that go on for days. And I will kick your flaccid man-butt into the middle of next week, buddy boy.”

Let’s be honest: Wonder Woman is a female power fantasy, cooked up by a psychosexual whack job — psychiatrist and polygraph developer William Moulton Marston — with a bondage fetish. As such, she could easily have degenerated into little more than self-gratification fodder for emotionally stunted fanboys (as too many of today’s comic book females have). And yet, by her very nature, she refuses to be so limited, because the world needs an awe-inspiring female image — one that transcends the boundaries of fevered male imagination to exemplify that which simultaneously fascinates and terrifies men most: A beautiful woman who can, as Maxwell Lord discovered, snap any man’s neck. And just might.

When I began reading comics in the mid-1960s, more than 20 years after Diana’s debut, there were still very few truly powerful female characters. Superheroines got stuck with stereotypically wimpy powers — either paranormal mental abilities, like Saturn Girl in the Legion of Super-Heroes or Marvel Girl in the original X-Men, or the sort of superpowers best exercised from a distance, like the Invisible Girl’s force fields or the Scarlet Witch’s hex blasts. Wonder Woman was the only super-female in those days with the strength and grit to duke it out with the big boys. It wasn’t until Ms. Marvel came along in the late ’70s that another superheroine possessed the raw toughness to get her hands dirty.

On top of that, Wonder Woman shines as a role model for young women, a testament to the fact that sisters can, indeed, do it for themselves. And, to paraphrase Ginger Rogers, she does it all in a bustier and high heels.

My teenage daughter doesn’t share her dad’s comic book compulsion. Even so, I’m glad that there’s a Wonder Woman out there to remind her that she can be whatever her talents, interests, and abilities enable her to be. Even a superhero.

Thanks, Michael!

7. Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) – 552 points (12 first place votes)

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Created by Mort Weisinger and George Papp, millionaire Oliver Queen was basically like Batman-lite throughout the Golden Age. It was only during the Silver Age, when writer Denny O’Neil decided to change Arrow around that Queen became a standout creation.

O’Neil decided to strip Queen of his fortune, and make him a liberal “man of the people,” who would clash with his friend, Hal Jordan, who was cast as the more conservative of the pair. The two would travel America, trying to explore it and see its people from a way impossible when you are hanging out on the moon.

Around this time, Queen began a relationship with his fellow Justice Leaguer, Black Canary. The two have remained together for many years, with some time apart.

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In the late 80s, writer Mike Grell recast Queen as a more serious, older hero. Grell used Green Arrow to explore various political themes in a pretty mature manner for comics.

After Grell left the title in the mid-90s, Green Arrow was killed off and replaced by his illegitimate son, Connor Hawke, for a number of years. Later on, Queen returned, and took up the hero game again.

Recently, Queen ran for, and won, mayor of Star City. After that ended, he proposed to Black Canary, and just last week, the two were wed. (Spoiler Warning) Tragically, it appeared at the end as though Queen was brainwashed into attacking Canary, who was forced to kill Ollie. Hopefully, that was not the real Ollie.

We shall see.

Reader Jo had this to say on why she picked Green Arrow #1…

Why Ollie for No.1? Green Arrow was always my favorite superhero as a child and he’s never given me a reason to jump ship and I’ll be 40 next year. I probably took to him in the first instance because I always loved the underdog, here’s a guy with no real superpowers who was easily one of the most exiting members of the JLA and was able to duke it out with the big boys. I know Batman has the same credentials but Batman always appeared to me as being less real than Ollie, hiding behind his cape and cowl. Green Arrow just seems more like one of us, where Batman has no chinks in his armour, Ollie has many faults, his womanizing, his attitude, he formed real partnerships where there was real warmth, love and humour with black canary, Hal Jordan and the flash and his confrontations with Hawkman were always essential reading. As an older fan I have always enjoyed Ollies tempestuous family life, his treatment of Roy, his relationship with Conner etc. Yeah Ollie has a temper and his anger can be misplaced, how human of him, but he always stands up for the poor and beaten down (just like Johnny Cash…cept wearing green…not black…ignore that bit), Ollie was believable even as a politician, I’d vote him in as my Mayor! Following Ollie all this time we’ve seen him transform from a Robin Hood Character to an eco warrior (ohhh…the Grell days….), we’ve seen him resurrected (ahhhh…the Kevin Smith issues…) and rise to the forefront of the superhero community once again, through good times and bad I don’t think fans have really been following Green Arrow, they’ve been following the man, Oliver Queen…we can see ourselves in him….and now just when he finally gets his girl they go and stick an arrow in his neck Doh! I had feared the worst when I saw the broken arrow in the villains teaser, but come on, give the guy a break, how many times do they want to kill him? Sorry have to go now, I’m making Chili in tribute to Oliver Queen!

Thanks, Jo!

6. Robin/Nightwing (Dick Grayson) – 665 points (11 first place votes)

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Created by Bob Kane, Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson, Dick Grayson was a young acrobat whose parents were killed in front of him. Bruce Wayne was in the audience, and seeing himself in young Dick, took in Dick to be his ward, eventually training him to be his crime-fighting partner, Robin.

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The two were a Dynamic Duo for many years, until Dick grew older, and went away to college, and soon began spending more and more time with his team, the Teen Titans. Eventually, Dick decided to move on from being Robin, leaving that to younger heroes than him. He decided to take the name Nightwing, in honor of a Kryptonian hero that Superman had told him about.

As Nightwing, he continued with the Titans for many years.

More recently, he led the grittier superhero group, the Outsiders.

Dick is still out there, fighting the good fight, using the skills taught to him by Batman – except maybe not the people skills part. Dick has Batman beat there easily.

Here is why Ellen Fleischer had Nightwing #1 on her list…

Nightwing is a bit of everyman. He’s got the skills and training to be Batman but there’s always been more of the light in him. (Leaving aside a brief period during Devin Grayson’s run). He’s someone easygoing and quick to crack a joke, but when trouble comes… it’s not that he becomes a totally different person, but more that different aspects of his personality shift to the foreground. Unlike Batman, who seems to have a bit of a fragmented psyche, Nightwing is an integrated whole. Despite the evil and the horrors that he’s witnessed, he remains an optimist.

His hangups and weaknesses are those that the average joe on the street can relate to.

Not meaning to blow my own horn, but I write fanfiction. Nightwing is the character I find I’m closest to and one of the easiest ones to write. I’ve got to love a character who–when I’m trying to get into his head–figuratively grabs my camera and starts to show me the points of interest.

I guess when all’s said and done, if I was in trouble and needed someone with the skills to protect me, but at the same time wouldn’t intimidate me, he’s the one I’d pick.

And here is why German Acton picked him #1…

It´s a character that I have always admired, is the best possible outcome of Batman, he has all the skills but none of his drawbacks. He could have been an annoying brat that expends all of the money that he has but instead he works in low pay jobs trying to help people 24 hours a day, in the day to day basics and in the night as Nightwing. also he is the perfect leader, smart and charismatic.

He also always get the chick, the only one that remains for him is Donna. but he doesn´t look only the physical because he dated and try to marry a handicapped. I think that he has all the potential to be the best hero, the Batman archetype but with the Superman motivation and inner self. And I hope that he would be one day.

Thanks, Ellen and German!

The top five begins tomorrow!!

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Hey, I voted for Green Arrow. And Robin, Oracle and Nightwing almost made my ten.

Not that my DC list is all that interesting as I haven’t read nearly enough to vote intelligently.

I refuse to believe that Brainiac 5 didn’t make the top 50!

Again, the 6 to 10 rundown means a probable surprise is on the cards. Bats is obviously the strong front runner for number 1 with Supes second. Thats a given,so positions 3 to 5 are going to come down to a fight between Flash( Wally West) , Green Lantern(Hal Jordan), the Joker, and Commissioner Gordon. All major DC characters and at least one of them won’t make the top 50 at all. Plus it looks likely that Donna Troy, Ray Palmer and john Stewart will not make thr final 50 which also surprises me. This is all Tim Drakes fault!

I know my list was loaded with Bat-book staples, but I figured others would cast a wider net with theirs… but I got worried when 11-15 came out that there wouldn’t be much representation of the Batman family besides the man in charge… but apparently not.

This is like the Chuck Dixon batch, isn’t it? 4 of the 5 characters he’s written for very long stretches….

I couldn’t really tell you why but I really hate Dick Grayson. I think it’s the same reason I hate Cyclops

#9 is a respectable placing for my #3, though I get the feeling that my #1 DC pick is most likely not in the top 5, though if he was I would be incredibly surprised…

Two Robins in the Top Ten!?! You mean all those decades ago when they saddled Batman with a punk kid sidekick so ” young readers would have someone to relate to”, they were right?!?!? Never again will I doubt the wisdom of The Golden Age.

Oracle in the Top Ten. Two Robins. Ollie ahead of Wonder Woman.

I don’t know nuthin’ about comics.

Green Arrow’s dead again?
DC really must be desperate to boost sales to do this again.

I remember way back when Kevin Smith did a 10 part Quiver storyline to bring back Ollie Queen from the dead. Can’t remember if he was some sort of a clone, tho.

I’d be embarassed to be seen reading this if I was collecting the series. ;-)

Ah, Babs and Diana.

For some reason I’ve always thought of Marvel as having more female characters than DC, but it looks like DC have far more top ten women than Marvel does.

I’m glad one of my two favorite characters (GA) made the Top 10…

…but I haven’t read the Wedding Special. Did you have to spoil a comic released, when, last week? Two weeks ago? We don’t all make it to the LCBS every Wednesday.

Four of the Top Ten so far have no superpowers. Interesting.

And I continue with my self-appointed numerical analysis. :)

Marvel continues to dominate, leading DC by over 150 points at the number 7 spot, but Nightwing narrows the gap to only 65. Again, I don’t know if it is because DC’s points are highly concentrated at a few top end spots or spread out among people who didn’t make the top 10 list.

While I think we all expected the heroes to dominate, I’m beginning to wonder how much. When looking at just straight villains (not villains turned heroes), Marvel has a total of 3 so far (with the highest ranked at 13) and DC has a total of 4 (with the highest ranked at 20). I expect only one additional villain to make the list (Joker), so we’re looking at about 14% of the favorite characters are villains.

Interesting trends. Marvel : Avengers have 12 on the list so far, X-men have 15 (though I believe the Xmen are done and the Avengers have another 3+ coming yet). However, after sprinklings of both early on, we’ve seen a large group of X-men followed by a grouping of Avengers (which I expect to continue into the top 5).

DC : The tendency of Legacy characters continues. Of the last 15 positions, 10 of them (66%) of the characters have been characters that have shared an identity with someone else. Of the last 5 positions, it is 100%! Marvel just has nothing to compare to it.

Team players and leaders : Looking at the last 15 positions in both Marvel and DC, the overwhelming majority of them are/were members of super teams (the exceptions being Deadpool, John Constantine, Question and Starman, none of whom are really opposed to working with others, they just don’t do it as much). However, many of them also led the teams (Hulk led Pantheon, Hawkeye led the West Coast Avengers, Nightwing led the Teen Titans, Oracle led the Bird of Prey, etc.). This one is harder to quantify for me, but I believe we’re talking about roughly 47% for Marvel and 40% for DC. These values should both go up as we head into the top 5 (Captain America and Batman come to mind).

MARVEL VS DC : This comic series ran a while back, but it matched up “appropriate” characters from each universe in battle. So, let’s compare those results to the ones from our list here. Hulk vs superman – Superman should win ours and did win. Storm vs Wonder Woman – In a gross miscarriage of comic justice, Storm won this one in the comics, but here WW handily defeats her (8th place w 542 points vs 30th place with 209 points). Robin vs Jubilee – Robin beat her in both (since she won’t take a top 5 place). Flash vs Quicksilver – Flash won the comics and should win our list (since Flash should show up and Quicksilver won’t). Submariner vs Aquaman – mixed result. In the comics, Aquaman won (by dropping an orca on Namor). Aquaman took 30th place with 269 points while Submariner had 27th place with 222 points. Lobo vs Wolverine – Unknown. Green Lantern (Kyle) vs Silver Surfer – Silver Surfer won in the comics and here, though it was close (15th place with 461 points vs 16th place with 364 points). Catwoman vs Elektra – The ninja Elektra beat out the thief in the comic, but here Elektra doesn’t even make the list so the cat takes it. Spiderman vs Superboy – Unknown. Thor vs Captain Marvel – Thor trounced the Big Cheese in both (9th place with 605 points over 27th place with 605 points).

Finally, let’s take a look at gaps. Values have actually been pretty close between ranks up until 12th place. Yes, the Punisher beat Emma Frost, but only by 28 points. Alan Scott beat Black Adam, but only by 1 point. There were several times in the top 11 where the gap was pretty substantial. Iron Man was #11, but he’s a lot closer to the top 10 than he is Nightcrawler who was over 100 points below him. Iron Man, Thor and Cyclops are all within a couple points, but Hawkeye was over 50 points higher than all of them. Of course, Wolverine beat Hawkeye by even more (52 points) and Hulk only beat out Wolverine by 2 points. Turning to DC, the average gaps are larger (roughly 40 points per rank instead of 25 points per rank), but still the differences are all pretty close. The exception is Nightwing who comes in over a 100 points higher than Green Arrow.

It should be noted that while DC started higher and Marvel increased their rate of increase earlier, the average difference between ranks for Marvel so far is 14 and DC is 12. Pretty close when you look at it.

DC may have more top ten, but if you look at the top 50, Marvel has 11 to DC’s 8. Still, not stellar percentage of female characters, but at least they hit double digits.

This clinches it. My boy ‘Mazing Man is in the top 5!!!

WOO-HOO!!!!!!!!

Oooo. Non powered. Marvel has 1 non-powered character in the top ten, compared to DC’s 4. However, when you look at 6-50, Marvel has 7 non-powered characters (plus Iron Man whose powers are so dependent on his device that I’m not sure if I should count him). DC has 14 non powered (plus 5 more who have no powers without their power ring/power staff/etc).

Wonder Woman and Green Arrow just miss the top ten for me. Great, classic characters.

I got to play with Babs and Nightwing for 6 issues and, I have to say, the work advanced my skills as an artist. There was a lot of emotional interplay between Babs and Dick at the time, a lot of “realism”, and art-dependent pacing. And who’d a thought drawing Alfred would be so much FUN?

Captain Great – I think the reason no Legion characters made the list was because many people just don’t read them. I’m a huge DC fan, and I’ve never felt interested enough to take the plunge into the tangled mess that is Legion continuity. It really is a separate little DC unto itself.

Happy that Oracle cracked the Top 10. She was on my list, due to the likes of Simone, Dixon, and Morrison, with her old Batgirl costume only an afterthought (She has been paralyzed since I was a baby).
Really sad about Wonder Woman’s placement. I really liked Michael’s write up about her, although it came off a little more militant than how I view Diana (my #1 choice!). I really liked how he pointed out that she could have stayed a bondage fantasy, but the strength of the character broke through. I am very disappointed that more didn’t agree with me that Diana deserved a spot in the Top 3. I’m hoping Wally takes her spot, if anyone has to!
I can’t be too upset considering the entire Legion, Gordon, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, and most of the Teen Titans and JSA didn’t make the list at all.

It’s a pity that we haven’t gotten any Legion characters on the list so far (and likely aren’t going to), but it’s not a huge surprise. The Legion has always been an ensemble book and unlike the JLA, JSA, Titans, or Outsiders, none of the Legionnaires have solo titles to give them more focus (well Karate Kid had one, but it was decades ago). So with no one that really stands out beyond the rest of the Legion, most of the votes went to personal favorites, and considering how huge the Legion is, that’s a lot of characters to spread votes around. So I’m sure the votes were there (Ultra Boy and post-ZH Triad were both on my lists, Triad fairly high even), just not concentrated enough on any specific characters to crack the top 50.

Also, I object to the phrase “the villain Maxwell Lord” in the Wonder Woman description. Max wasn’t a villain, the writers were just too lazy to find an appropriate character for that story.

Although she’s not one of my favs, I’m surprised Diana didn’t rank higher. Nightwing is my all-time fav, so I’m pleased to see him so high (although I’m curious to see how many points kept him out of the top 5). Batman is my next fav, and I full expect him to be at #1 or #2 – I wouldn’t be surprised to see Joker pull off a shocker and take the top spot. Supes – I love him, but sometimes he just bores me.

I just want to say, in case no one else has, that I’m enjoying Danar’s statistical breakdowns of the list.

And it looks like Sgt Rock isn’t even going to crack the top fifty. Sgt. Rock people! Come on!

No Mister Mind? No Myxylsptlk? (Ok, I gave up hope around #25). Ah well.

Come on Crazy Quilt.

It is a shame no Legion characters made it in the top 50 but I think M Bloom is spot on. Too few votes spread over too many characters. I voted for Matter Eater Lad but didn’t expect to see him here.

Alfred was my number one. Chances of the guy who owns Batman on a daily basis making it to the list? Now pretty much zero.

Batman, Superman, Joker, Wally, Hal…Just can’t believe there are so many Hal fans.

All five highly deserving characters here.

Green Arrow finished exactly where I cast him,in 7th place.Neat!

Oracle & Wonder Woman were both in my Top 3(with Black Canary.)

Very pleased to see Diana get a Top 10.I’ve been a longtime fan of the character,but her net support can vary quite a bit.There are sites that apparently can’t stand her.Though I’ll admit her treatment at times isn’t always reliable.I haven’t enjoyed much of anything done with her since the Rucka run ended.So I’m okay enough with her finish because,while great,she has some rather inconsistent writings to her name.Though I really look foward to Gail’s run.

Great to see a non super powered,handicapped female getting so much love.Barbara really does deserve it.She’s one of the finest characters in comics.And been well written,multi faceted,and enjoyable in two distinct personas.In retrospect,I wish I would have also given her Batgirl character a high vote.I enjoyed her very much in the classic Batman Family/Detective Comics stories.It’s a unique circumstance and person that can transition from one winning identity to another.

Well, Oliver Queen made it, so that’s probably the last of my DC choices to make the list. Unless there’s a real groundswell of support for Crazy Jane, Deadshot, Blue Beetle Jaime Reyes, Manhunter Kate Spencer, and Captain Atom, I don’t see any of them making Top 5…

My guess as to Top 5 will be Batman, Superman, Joker, Flash Wally West, and GL Hal Jordan.

I’m enjoying Danar’s breakdowns, too. Thanks much for all the hard work.

Enjoying this particular list immensely, especially Oracle. Just a very cool character. Interesting too, how the archery guys on both sides placed nearly equally high – I have no idea what it means, but it’s interesting.

“He decided to take the name Nightwing, in honor of a Kryptonian hero that Superman had told him about.”
Am I the only one that thinks that is the stupidest explanation ever. How uncreative is Dick that he had to get the idea for a name as straightforward and boring as “Nightwing” from someone else.

I also think its interesting to note that both of the Archers placed so close together in rank. Ollie at 7 and Clint at 8.

Ian said:
“Am I the only one that thinks that is the stupidest explanation ever. How uncreative is Dick that he had to get the idea for a name as straightforward and boring as “Nightwing” from someone else.”

I think DC should break the ‘fourth wall’ and have Dick admits he chose the name because it was the only name on Marv Wolfman’s list that DC Legal would clear. :)

Yeah, Danar, thanks for the stat work. Always good stuff.

“I also think its interesting to note that both of the Archers placed so close together in rank. Ollie at 7 and Clint at 8.”

Aquaman and Namor were really close too. A lot of the appeal seems to be in the themes as much as the personalities.

Relieved to see Ollie. (That is a good point about the spoiler though. Especially after the new crackdown over on the forums.) I was starting to think he wouldn’t make it. Not that he made my top ten, but I’ve always liked him. His appearance also somehow reminded me of his Question team-ups (3 that I recall, not counting JLU), including the classic where Vic reads Watchmen and starts up with WWRD? I wonder whether the current Question fans know about that story.

Anyway, Wonder Woman’s placement was as big a surprise as Wolverine’s. I was sure she was either 3 or 4 (with Hal either 4 or 3).

Remarkably few Titans made it. Only Dick, right? Is even Donna Troy completely out? She never did it for me, but she’s quite popular. Or at least I thought she was.

I think having character updates basically means that there implicitly will be spoilers, like Tim Drake’s dad dying or Hawkeye becoming Ronin.

But fair enough, if folks think it is needed, I have no real beef with putting a spoiler warning in there.

Neal Adams? I thought Tim Burton designed Tim Drake’s Robin costume.

Ok, so I am pretty sure that the final five are: The Joker, Wally West (the Flash), Batman, Superman, and Hal Jordan (Green Lantern). What order will they be in? Here is my guess:

5. Hal
4. Wally
3. The Joker
2. Superman
1. Batman

Wouldn’t it be great if a newcomer like Jaime Reyes (Blue Beetle) made it instead?

Strong showing for the Bat-sidekicks. With the Joker and Batman himself gaurunteed to be in the top 5, Bat characters make up half the top 10, which is just awesome (though I was hoping to see Alfred show up.)

I am surprised to see that Wonder Woman didn’t crack the top 5.

Apart from spoiler issues how stupid was that Green Arrow thing anyway? That’s actually even lamer than how Hawkeye went out in Disassembled which was pretty lame to begin with.

I did consider Nightwing and Ollie–but they missed out.
So far 4 of my 10 have made it. 1 more will–I am positive. But I doubt the other 5 will make it–although, obviously I feel they desrve it as they made my top 10–let alone top 50.

“Wouldn’t it be great if a newcomer like Jaime Reyes (Blue Beetle) made it instead?”

It would. I know he got a few points from me.

it’s interesting how the similar characters of DC and Marvel almost parallel each other in placement.

At the risk of sounding gay surprised nobody mentioned how hot Nightwing is.

I think there’s a better chance of a “surprise” character sneaking into the top 5 here than on the Marvel list. (And, correspondingly, I can see plausible scenarios where each of the suggested non-Superman/Batman top 5 gets “passed over,” which is of course a necessary condition.)

but I haven’t read the Wedding Special. Did you have to spoil a comic released, when, last week? Two weeks ago? We don’t all make it to the LCBS every Wednesday.

Seriously? I mean, you’re not really falling for that, are you?

Either it wasn’t really him, or he’s not really dead.

I’m starting to realize why Marvel and DC keep breaking out the same old gimmicks. People still actually fall for them.

Stanley L. Walker

October 2, 2007 at 1:25 pm

Wow, how sad that Wonder Woman is merely number 8 among the net fanboys. This character quite literally changed the world.

I guess because of all the advances we enjoy every day and take for granted without knowing we do we are kind of insulated from the real world impact of this character.

Certainly, with TPTB treating her how they have (aborting Rucka’s run, re-casting the pivotal moment of Max’s death, the choices made with volume 3), it does leave a lot to be desired, I suppose.

they need to come out with a movie version of captain planet

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