CBI Archive
What I bought - 26 September 2007
Friday, September 28th, 2007 at 1:22 PM EST
Updated: Friday, September 28th, 2007 at 1:22 PM EST
There are at least three outright rants this week, and maybe two semi-rants (depending on what your definition of a “rant” is). Now that’s quality ranting! Oh, and some reviews. You know, what I’m supposed to do in these posts!
Astro City: The Dark Age Book Two #4 (of 4) by Kurt Busiek and Brent E. Anderson. $2.99, DC/Wildstorm.
There’s not a whole heck of a lot I can say about Astro City, is there? I mean, this is the final issue of a four-issue mini-series, which concludes the second of a trilogy of mini-series about a specific time in Astro City history, all fitting into the larger story Busiek is telling. It’s not a perfect jumping-on point, in other words. If you like Astro City, it’s doing its thing, and if you don’t, you probably decided that a long time ago. I will say that Busiek’s vision is kind of breathtaking, and I’m more than willing to wait for however long he takes to finish his saga of the city. I’m not even sure if I have any desire to read these comics individually. I read the four issues of this series all at once, and it certainly worked, but there’s even more going on that ties into the series as a whole. Busiek does a good job of keeping the series self-contained, but the way he drops some things in there and then moves on - the Incarnate being one of them, the Innocent Gun being another - keeps me thinking that it would be better to read the series after he’s finished, because he might take a decade to return to some of the things he brings up. I mean, based on how slowly he pumps these out, we might not learn the Incarnate’s story until 2020 or something! So should I just buy the issues, store them away, and wait until Busiek is done? That seems to be the best policy.
Batman #669 by Grant Morrison and his awesome white jeans and J. H. Williams III. $2.99, DC.
It’s been a while since I’ve been this impressed with a Batman story arc, and I certainly hope The God of All Comics has gotten settled into his groove on the title after an uneven start. I’m sure Williams has something to do with how good this story is, but Morrison does a good job making Batman more human than he often is. He does some detecting, he gets angry and self-righteous, but he cares about Tim, as well as the other members of the Club of Heroes. His Batman is far more interesting than the freakishly omnipotent super-dick appearing in many other DC comics. It’s as if only Morrison, Dini, and Pfeifer got the memo that Batman wasn’t supposed to be such a tool anymore, but the rest of DC’s writers threw it out with the junk mail. His explanation of the mystery made some sense, but even though I haven’t gone back and re-read the previous two issues, I don’t think the reader could have figured this one out. I could be wrong. Either way, this is a wonderful little mystery that was a blast to read. Now, unfortunately, we go back to Ra’s al Ghul. I guess Morrison can something interesting with him. At least I hope he can.
I do have some questions, which contain SPOILERS, and which are probably blindingly obvious to someone who isn’t stupid. How did Man-of-Bats survive? He was holding a bomb, which exploded, in his hand. The next time we see him he’s rescuing Robin and Squire, right? Do we get some odd, Morrisonian explanation in a coded message between the panels that I missed because I’m an idiot? Let me know! Plus, Mayhew isn’t the Black Glove, right? Does Batman think he is? I don’t think he does, because he knows that Mayhew isn’t going to get away, but does he really? All he knows is that the boathouse is packed with explosives. Does he realize that the Black Glove got away? What do you think? That’s why we’re here!
Blue Beetle #19 by John Rogers, Keith Giffen, David Baldeon, and Steve Bird. $2.99, DC.
Here’s what you get in the latest Blue Beetle comic book:
- Jaime getting some training in fighting so he doesn’t rely on the suit
- A nice throwdown with Giganta, in which said training comes into play (I know, shocking)
- Said throwdown involving La Dama, a local crimelord
- A story involving Brenda, La Dama’s niece, who is unaware of her aunt’s criminal activity
- Brenda discovering her aunt’s criminal activity through the fact that her house was knocked down
- Brenda discovering that Jaime and his friends hid her aunt’s criminal activity from her, which pisses her off
- Brenda discovering that La Dama curtailed her criminal activity because she wanted to be a better person for her niece
- Brenda discovering something about both La Dama and Jaime and trying to come to terms with it
- A phone call to Traci 13, who’s awesome
- Sharp dialogue and good fill-in art by Baldeon
This issue is pretty much a perfect superhero comic. Even if you don’t usually buy Blue Beetle, it’s a good story with a lot of heart that continues a story but stands on its own.
Blue Beetle is one of those books that the commenters recommended I pick up. I’m glad I did. I don’t always like what you guys suggest, but this was a good choice.
Cable & Deadpool #45 by Fabian Nicieza, Reilly Brown, and Jeremy Freeman. $2.99, Marvel.
Speaking of books people keep suggesting to me, we come to Cable & Deadpool. I’ve read about six issues of this book, and only the first of the two-parter with Wolverine (issue #43) was so stellar I wanted to come back for more. It’s not a bad comic by any means. This issue is an example, as Deadpool and Bob, Agent of Hydra, are thrown into World War II, where they happen to meet Captain America and Bucky (I like how people who time-travel in comics always end up meeting a superhero - I mean, out of hundreds of thousands of troops fighting in WWII, they run into Cap and Bucky?) and help them defeat Arnim Zola, even though they have an ulterior motive (using Zola to reverse their time slippage). It’s an action-packed, relatively humorous issue (although I’m not as in love with Bob as everyone else, even though he’s not a horrible character) with an interesting resolution and a nice take on Cap and Bucky (following in Brubaker’s footsteps, to be sure, but still). But I don’t love it. I honestly don’t know why. It’s a mystery. That happens with some comics (and television shows, and movies, and other forms of entertainment). You know it’s a good product, but it doesn’t have that something for you that makes you want to seek it out. For some people, this book obviously does. But it doesn’t for me.
It does put me in mind of Ant-Man, though. A few people commented last week that the reason they didn’t like Ant-Man was because it wasn’t particularly different from other humor books that Marvel publishes. Fair enough. Reading this, I realize that those people were right - this comic is remarkably similar to that one. My question is, how has this survived and that one went the way of the dodo? I’m not sure if Cable & Deadpool has always had this tone, but I know it’s been this way for a while, and it seems to be doing fine. Is it just because of the ancillary pull of the X-titles? I doubt it, because the days where the Mutant Section of the Marvel U. could pump up a book’s sales seems to be over. People who like this book will say, “Well, it’s better,” but that’s not exactly the case, really. I happen to like Ant-Man better, but I think it’s probably because I like Phil Hester’s art a bit more. I can’t really say it’s that much better than this, nor vice versa. Is it because this came along first and filled a niche that wasn’t big enough for both it and Ant-Man? That’s possible. This is a tad bit more slapstick and jokey than Ant-Man (not by much, but enough to be noticeable), so maybe that’s it. I don’t know.
Man, I think way too much about silly topics, don’t I? But that’s why so many people (okay, three or four) enjoy reading my reviews so much!
Criminal #9 by Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips. $2.99, Marvel/Icon.
Oh look: everything kind of goes to shit! How surprising! It’s just another day in the life of Criminal, but it’s pretty darned amazing how Brubaker can keep everything interesting even though we know everything is going to go to shit soon enough. This time around, it’s the nugget about the actual heist, which remains a mystery. Other than that, this is working out fairly typically, but it’s still riveting. It’s pretty astonishing how good characters can keep a book fascinating even though we know everything is going to go to shit pretty much the way we thought it would.
Sure, it’s a bleak book. But that’s why we love it!
The quote on the back of this issue is interesting. Is Sean Phillips a “superstar”? You make the call!
The Immortal Iron Fist #9 by Ed Brubaker, Matt Fraction, David Aja, Raul Allen, Scott Koblish, and Roy Allan Martinez. $2.99, Marvel.
It’s quite the Brubaker/Fraction week, what with two issues of Iron Fist, Criminal, and The Order all hitting the stores this week. Sheesh. Anyway, in this issue, Danny fights his first fight in the Big Tournament thingy, and things don’t go exactly as you might expect. He’s told by some mysterious girl (well, she’s mysterious at the beginning, but by the end we learn one thing about her, at least) that he has to lose to his opponent, Fat Cobra, because he has things to do elsewhere. What will Danny do?
Well, I’m certainly not giving it away! I’ll have more to say about this issue … below! (I did like the Luke Cage, Misty Knight, and Colleen Wing cameos, though. That was cute.)
The Immortal Iron Fist Annual #1 by Ed Brubaker, Matt Fraction, Howard Chaykin, Daniel Brereton, and Jelena Kevic Djurdjevic. $3.99, Marvel.
This annual follows on the heels of issue #9, and Danny meets Orson Randall’s biographer, who tells him tales of Orson. Chaykin provides the art for the present, while Brereton and Djurdjevic illustrate the flashback portions. So we get three high adventures stories from the past, plus some intrigue in the present, all for four dollars! Oh, and cool art.
What I really like about Iron Fist is the way Brubaker and Fraction are creating the mythology. The story about Orson Randall and his merry band of heroes in Harlem is a perfect example. It’s such a pulp fiction kind of thing, but it also fits into a comic book mythology. I’m not the biggest fan of writing stories into heroes’ pasts after the fact (of course, if it’s skillfully done, I don’t mind, but I’m a fan of anything skillful - I’m just talking about the general idea), but the point of this comic is that Brubaker and Fraction are creating this from thin air, and it’s interesting to see how the Iron Fists (especially Orson, of course, since he’s the most prominent one we’ve met so far) fit into history. I’m not sure if I want to see Orson interact with some Marvel heroes from World War II, which might be the only heroes he could interact with, but it would be intriguing, at least. I love the interaction of pulp fiction with the martial arts stuff and the weird science aspect of the book. It’s a nice balancing act, and I hope it lasts a long time. That would be cool.
Justice League of America #13 by Dwayne McDuffie, Joe Benitez, and Victor Llamas. $2.99, DC.
Well, it’s a new era for the Justice League. No more Meltzer! Oh happy day! Dwayne McDuffie - a writer of superhero comics who ought to know what he’s doing! And the Injustice League! Who doesn’t love the Injustice League?
Well, me, for one, but I figured I’d give this a look to see if it’s something that got any better after the atrocious (yes, atrocious, even though I only read three issues) of the Meltzer run. It has to be better than that, right?
I can say it’s better. But it’s still not very good. I’m not the kind of person who desperately wants to love a Justice League comic, but I certainly like the idea of big-time superheroes doing big-time things. But let’s break this down a bit, because it’s a strange comic, in that it’s not awful, just … dull. Why is JLA dull all the time these days?
McDuffie’s not trying to be dull (I know, no writer tries to be dull, but I mean he’s not trying to write a calm, character-driven story that has the potential to be dull) - the issue features some tense moments and some nice action. But it’s still kind of boring. Batman gets out of a straitjacket and thinks he can free Wonder Woman, but Luthor, Joker, Gorilla Grodd, Cheetah, and Dr. Light stop him. We switch to the Hall of Justice, where the remaining members get us up to speed. That’s nice of McDuffie. They split up in old-school fashion, and Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, and Red Tornado go to the hospital where Firestorm is, while Superman, Vixen, and Black Canary go to the scene where Firestorm was attacked. Both groups are attacked by members of the Injustice League, and the first group gets taken down while the second manages to drive off the bad guys with the help of Black Lightning. Before they can do anything, Luthor shows up wearing that stupid armor. Play the dramatic music!!!!
See, nothing in this book is terrible, but it’s not all that compelling, either. We know nothing about the Injustice League’s plan, so their actions make no sense, at least not yet. I’m sure Luthor has some dastardly plan, but so far it’s just bad guys taking down good guys, and it’s just kind of boring. I hate to say we’ve seen it all before, but we have. There’s some banter that’s supposed to be clever, but it’s not really, and Dinah gets to pound on Dr. Light for a panel or two, but that’s about it. It’s all fairly bland.
What makes this worse than just a dull issue is the art. Oh my, Benitez. The last time I saw Benitez, he was mangling that Poison Ivy issue of Detective Comics. This art is worse. Should we start with the sadly all-too-familiar sexualization of the female characters? Why not! On the splash page, the Joker stands, legs spread, arms akimbo, in a position of power. Luthor stands next to him, wearing that unbelievably stupid armor. The feet on that sucker are longer than the Joker’s entire calf. Grodd hunches behind them, looking huge. Dr. Light stands on the extreme right, ramrod straight. And who’s standing between Luthor and Dr. Light? Why, it’s Cheetah, with her hips thrust weirdly forward, her back arched, and her head straight. That can’t be comfortable! What the hell is up with that pose? Interesting how all the men are standing up straight, but Cheetah has her hips thrust out. Charming. Later, when Kendra shows up, her arm in a sling, she leans against the door frame, which is fine, but her midsection is also thrust out in a weird way. Putting the weird female poses aside, when Green Lantern leaps at the Shadow Thief, he suddenly looks like the freakin’ Hulk - he’s huge! When Cheetah leaps at Black Canary late in the issue, what in the hell is up with Dinah’s right leg? Her thigh is fattened up, and her calf bends under it at a very odd angle. And the male faces, especially Superman’s and Black Lightning’s, are too fat. It’s strange. The mediocre script, which could have gotten a lift from dazzling art, is instead dragged down by it. That’s too bad.
Finally, let’s say you like Dwayne McDuffie but aren’t a regular reader of JLA. So you pick this up because you want to read his take on it. McDuffie does a good job summarizing what has come before, but why oh why doesn’t DC have a footnote reading, “Confused? Don’t be! Pick up the Justice League of America Wedding Special, still on sale!” I know I have pounded my head against the wall about this before, but it’s just so very, very stupid. Why doesn’t DC (and Marvel, I guess) want to promote their other books? Or are they just so arrogant that they just assume you’re going to know all about what has come before?
I don’t think I’ll be buying McDuffie’s JLA. It’s not very interesting, and I’ve mentioned before how I just don’t understand why these comics are being modeled after a lousy 1970s cartoon. When are Wendy and Marvin going to make an appearance?
Left on Mission #4 (of 5) by Chip Mosher and Francesco Francavilla. $3.99, Boom! Studios.
We’re back into the action with issue #4, after we got our back story filled in last issue (I’d call it the “padded” issue again, but that would just be to needle Mosher, because I did like the issue). As this is issue #4 of a five-issue mini-series, it’s probably a little late for you to be getting into it if you haven’t already, but it’s still something you should check out. Emma moves into position to sell her secrets to the Russians, Eric and his partner move in to intercept them, and everything hits the fan. Of course it’s going to come down to a final showdown between Eric and Emma! We knew it would! But we don’t really have a sense of how it’s going to end, which is always nice in a spy thriller.
Francavilla’s art does a very good capturing Morocco in all its desert glory, and he does a fine job with the action scene at the end. All in all, this is a fine espionage comic. If you’ve missed it, the trade is solicited in this month’s Previews, which means it should be out by the middle of next year (given Boom!’s somewhat slow schedule). Check it out!
The Order #3 by Matt Fraction, Barry Kitson, and Mark Morales. $2.99, Marvel.
The nice thing about this issue is that the Zombie Hobos - Zobos (which I’m convinced Matt Fraction created as a favor to his good buddy Chris Sims) - don’t take over the issue. They’re there, but they’re more of a mystery for the team to solve while they’re busy sniping at each other. The book is more about James Wa, the speedster, who has some nice reveals in the issue and ends it at a crossroads, and Mulholland Black, whose powers are a bit wonky throughout the fight. Fraction is doing a fine job establishing storylines and giving each team member a personality, and it’s turning into a good comic. How does this differ from another team book, like JLA? Well, the art is much, much better, for one. Kitson’s people look like people and not pin-ups, and their anatomy doesn’t change when they get into fights - they look like athletic people, not ‘roided-out monsters. Fraction has a better grasp of dialogue, too - it’s not all set-ups for punchlines or tough-guy postering. When we need exposition, he uses the interview format, which is as unobtrusive as possible, I suppose. That’s why this is a better comic than JLA. Compare and contrast, people!
I am a bit concerned about one panel, though. Pepper Potts is drinking from a water bottle. Sounds innocent enough, right? But it’s not. What the hell is up with that, Barry Kitson? Those of you who bought the book know what I’m talking about! I get weird feelings in hidden parts of my body just looking at it. What the hell?
The Punisher Annual #1 by Mike Benson and Laurence Campbell. $3.99, Marvel/MAX.
People who love Garth Ennis’ run on The Punisher wonder why I don’t buy it. I always say it’s because I loathe the character, but it’s more than that. I can’t see any way to make a Punisher story interesting. Now, I know Ennis has managed it somehow, because he’s been writing the damned title for, what, 7 years? But whenever I read an issue, I don’t get it. This annual, which is NOT written by Ennis but by the incoming writer on Moon Knight (I got this issue when a commenter suggested I pick up because of that fact), is a perfect example. Benson gives us an interesting enough story about a criminal on the run after the Punisher blows away his entire crew. He tries to find sanctuary, but come on - it’s the Punisher! As he spirals into a kind of madness, he realizes there’s no escape. So he faces his fate, and unsurprisingly, the Punisher shoots him in the head. That’s my problem with Punisher stories - from page one of this annual, we know how it’s going to end - with a bullet in the head of the bad guy. There’s absolutely no tension whatsoever. Benson has a flair for noir, that’s for sure, but I’m just not engaged at all, because I just keep waiting to see where the guy is going to end up to get a bullet in his head. That’s why I don’t like Punisher stories. People will say, “Well, in superhero comics, you always know the good guys are going to win,” and that’s a valid point. However, let’s take some of this week’s books. I don’t know how the Injustice League will go down. I hope it’s not just Batman coming to the rescue, but what makes the story is how the good guys win. This week’s X-Men doesn’t even end happily, and it’s the end of an arc. I have no idea how that one is going to resolve. Okay, those are team books, so there’s a bit more flexibility with who the hero is. Well, take Iron Fist. When the tournament began, I bet not many people saw the plot twist in this issue. Danny doesn’t even really have to win the tournament, although I’m sure most people think he will. So there’s some question, even though we’re fairly sure Danny will survive and defeat Davos. But in a Punisher comic? Blam! You’re dead. Frank never wins his war on crime, but he wins every battle by blowing someone’s head off.
Okay, I’m done. Tell me how wrong I am. I’m cool with that.
Speak of the Devil #2 (of 6) by Gilbert Hernandez. $3.50, Dark Horse.
I’m pretty certain this comic would work much better as a graphic novel, because despite some movement forward in terms of plot, the first two issues have been pretty boring. It’s not even a bad comic, because in this issue Val continues her peeping but we get more character development of both her and her family and her potential boyfriend Paul, but it feels like we fly right through the issue and don’t get much (the book is 19 pages long, so maybe that’s why). There’s still plenty of potential in the book, and there’s just enough happening that it keeps my interest, but I really can’t recommend it as a serial. It’s $3.50, after all, and if the trade is less than $21, you’d be better off waiting for it. It’s not like each issue is building to a cliffhanger, either, so you’re waiting impatiently for the next issue. This issue ends with Paul catching Val peeping, but we’re not even sure if he realizes it’s her. It’s an odd non-ending, and that’s why it’s probably better to wait for the trade.
X-Men #203 by Mike Carey, Humberto Ramos, and Carlos Cuevas. $2.99, Marvel.
For the ending of a story arc, this doesn’t really resolve much, which is perfectly fine with me. Carey obviously has an idea where the book is going, and I’m willing to follow him along. Mr. Sinister shows up and the Marauders follow Cannonball and Iceman to the actual diaries, which we found out last issue were hidden so that Kitty wouldn’t even realize it. In this issue we discover that it’s a big plot by Scott, Emma, and Kitty to hide them so that even they wouldn’t know about it, and then use post-hypnotic key words to unlock the memories. Which is kind of clever, actually. So it’s Cannonball and Iceman against all the Marauders, which works about as well as you might expect, but our heroes do manage to keep the Marauders from the diaries. So everyone goes their merry way, but the bad guys are still out there, and the X-Men still have no idea what’s going on. I love when superhero comics don’t work out!
Ramos is Ramos, I guess. I just deal with it. Unlike JLA, the art doesn’t drag down the script, because the writing is good enough to keep things going. Let’s just leave it at that.
I do have a question about the whole “return of Sinister and the Marauders,” though. Why do writers feel they need to recycle villains? Carey has done some interesting things with new-ish villains, and now he drags out Sinister, who has never struck me as particularly interesting. Is it mandated by Marvel? Is it the whole copyright thing? I doubt it, but I’m curious. Carey could just love the character, for all I know. People will say the same thing about me when I’m writing Uncanny X-Men and my core team consists of Dazzler, Psylocke, Rogue, Longshot, Jubilee, Havok, and Polaris. Whenever a superhero comic recycles characters, I always wonder how much input the writer actually has. I mean, Luthor in that stupid armor? Who thinks that’s a better take on the character than Luthor the businessman? Anyone? Similarly, Sinister’s outfit itself is a joke, but what intrinsically makes him interesting? I know that any character can be interesting in the right hands, but in a mainstream Marvel comic, someone like Sinister could be anyone, really, and it wouldn’t matter. Is Carey just hoping we’re remembering the mysterious Sinister from when he was first introduced and when he was just a teeny bit cool (not very, but a bit) and ignore how very lame he is? I get pandering to nostalgia, but some things deserve to stay in the past. Is that all it is, pandering to nostalgia? Or did Joey Q call Carey into the office and, while hiding from Satan, who’s looking to collect on his soul, tell Carey to trot out Sinister because it’s been a while since they used him, and that red star in his forehead is just so cool? I don’t know.
Despite Sinister’s presence, this is a very good comic. Aren’t my rants fun?
Well, that’s all for this month. I know you’re disappointed I didn’t read Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose and tell you what I think of it (hint: there are lots of huge-breasted naked women in it). I guess this selection of fine comics literature will have to do!






41 Comments
Omar Karindu
September 28, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Batman #669 We’re supposed to read in that Man-of-the-Bats chucked the explosuve away at the last second; when he shows up unexpectedly later in the issue, his costume is torn to ribbons, where it was whole before. That said, either Morrison is relying too much on our golly-wowing that “he’s that good” about a nonentity to get over the moment, or J.H. Williams III drew the explosion a little too big. Either way, the intended moment — which is only barely deducible from what’s in the comic — doesn’t work. I had to read it thrice before spotting the torn costume thing, for instance.
Punisher MAX Ennis has had a few quite good Punisher stories that worked by breaing loose of the mold you’re describing: Mother Russia and Man of Stone, which use a recurring antagonist and share plot elements, work well by dropping Frank into literal foreign territory and giving him problems for which “bang! you’re dead” isn’t a solution. And the lovely character-driven one-shot The Tyger takes place before he’s the Punisher, and benefits from it.
My own problem with the Punisher in general , and especially the MAX Punisher, is that the antagonists are so one-note. While I realize that the book’s aesthetic can’t tolerate an outright sympathetic antagonist, it would be nice to see someone go up against the Punisher whom the reader might not agree needs to die for what they’ve done, or who’s not a complete and utter sociopath with no personality traits beyond “being a bastard.” There’s one nice issue of the pre-MAX Punisher by Ennis that actually works this way, with Frank mercy-killing a former friend who’s snapped and done something horrible, but that’s it.
The recent “Widows” arc struck me as a real missed opportunity, starting out with vengeful mob wives hating the Punisher for killing their husbands and brothers, and then revealing that they’d done something horrifying to another woman so that they, too,w ere just one-note bastards. The potential for showing the reader superficially sympathetic characters who were vile because they overlooked and even tacitly approved of violent crime without directly engineering or participating in it was just too morally complex for the Punisher readers…or rather, for Ennis, I guess.
Cable and Deadpool Deadpool has the advantage of a preexisting and moderately-sized fanbase, something neither brand-new character Eric O’Grady nor the Ant-Man identity have got. And for some reason, Robert Kirkman’s own fanbase doesn’t seem to be translating into big sales for most of his Marvel work. Zombiemania is the big exception, but even his Ultimate X-Men has seen slow-drip sales erosion. Maybe a Kirkman fan can say for sure, but is his Marvel work up to the standard of his creator-owned material? Or is that, as usual, a question that answers itself?
X-Men The onl comic that has ever made Sinister work for me was written by, of all people, Frank Tieri. Weapon X #14, to save you the hunt through the quarter bins, shows Sinister among the Nazis and lamenting the waste of life int he extermination camps (read: fodder for his genetic experiments). In the end, the story makes an interesting case that he’s worse than, say, a Mengele, because his sadism is dispassionate and apolitical but remains a clinical sadism all the same. Other than that, however, I suspect he’s turning up here because he’s the resident evil scientist of the X-books, and thus will have something to do with Endangered Species’ conclusion and the upcoming Messiah CompleX which teases the reversal of Decimation and God typing that string of linewide crossovers bled a little of my soul away.
Omar Karindu
September 28, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Damn open tags…..
Ryan H
September 28, 2007 at 2:51 pm
A quick response to your wondering about how Cable&Deadpool has survived where others, such as antman, have fallen. The reason is that the stuff that is coming out right now is about as ‘bad’ as this comic has ever been. The pattern from the start of the run is a few months of merely OK comics followed by a couple fantastic issues. The OK ones are enough to keep anyone interested following it and the really good ones bring in a few new readers.
A problem right now is that one of the titicular characters is MIA. It has affected the dynamic that had been set up with the rest of the cast playing the comic foil for Deadpool. From the way Deadpool’s old supporting cast has suddenly been resurrected, my guess is that marvel’s editors yanked Cable’s supporting cast from Nicieza at the same time they yanked Cable.
If you want to know why there are so many of us willing to hang on, see if you can find a copy of issues #13-14 in trade format or back issues. A solid two issue story arc that is one of the best I have ever read. Of course, it still may not be your cup of tea.
James
September 28, 2007 at 2:51 pm
The Tyger is indeed a thing of beauty.
James
September 28, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Oh, boy, now I’ve gone and messed it up.
Scavenger
September 28, 2007 at 2:54 pm
What Cable & Deadpool did that Antman didn’t is it had Cable. In many ways, it was two books in one. Deadpool bringing the wacky, and Cable bringing the serious political/philosophical.
Plus, Nicieza is just a damn good writer.
Tom Fitzpatrick
September 28, 2007 at 3:08 pm
BTW, the Astro City: Dark Age is a Quartet, not a trilogy.
It’s a 16 issue series split into 4 mini-series with 4 issues each.
So, it’s half-way done.
John Seavey
September 28, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Oh, and according to Mike Carlin, the reason DC doesn’t do footnotes is that artists complain that too much of their art is being covered up.
The phrase, “This is the world’s tiniest violin and it’s playing, ‘My Heart Cries For You’” comes to mind…
T.
September 28, 2007 at 3:32 pm
Four things that worked in the favor Cable and Deadpool were (1) it was X-related, (2) established characters with existing fanbases, (3) a writer who was associated with both characters when they were at their hottest and (4) no Phil Hester.
Anonymous
September 28, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Since you asked, Wendy and Marvin are sporadically appearing over in Teen Titans.
Grant
September 28, 2007 at 4:53 pm
“Maybe a Kirkman fan can say for sure, but is his Marvel work up to the standard of his creator-owned material? Or is that, as usual, a question that answers itself?”
It’s not. Invincible and Walking Dead are way better then his Marvel work. Though Capes kind of sucked.
Rohan Williams
September 28, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Greg, I’m not a Punisher fan myself, but I can’t really see a difference between “we know the Punisher’s going to kill the bad guy” and “we know the superheroes are going to beat (and probably not kill) the bad guys”. Yes, one option is more brutal, but in both cases, we know the end result, and in both cases, the intrigue is in seeing how we get to that end result.
Greg Burgas
September 28, 2007 at 6:02 pm
Thanks for the update, Anonymous. I knew there was a reason I wasn’t reading Teen Titans …
We’ve had this discussion before, Rohan, and I don’t disagree with your overall point, but as I mentioned, we DON’T always see the bad guys defeated. Sure, it happens most of the time, but not always, and there are far more ways to resolve a superhero story than there are Punisher stories, at least that I can see. It’s nice to hear that not every Punisher story ends with a bullet in the head, but it also would be nice to see Frank maybe go after someone whose guilt isn’t perfectly established, or something a bit more interesting. Obviously, I’ve missed some good Punisher stories that Omar points out, but it goes all the way back to the first Punisher story I ever read - Return to Big Nothing by Steven Grant and Mike Zeck. It ends exactly the way every Punisher story I’ve ever read ends. Of course, I should expand my reading of Punisher stories, and maybe I’ll change my mind. But I still could name innumerable superhero stories where it doesn’t end the way we expect.
Tim Callahan
September 28, 2007 at 6:09 pm
Mayhew is the Black Glove. Why do you think he’s not?
Rohan Williams
September 28, 2007 at 6:19 pm
I actually don’t remember having this conversation before, Greg, unless you mean “we” in the broader sense of everybody who comments here, which is cool.
I see where you’re coming from, and there are certainly some things I’m interested in to see the final result (sports being an obvious example), but for me, superhero comics (including, for the sake of this discussion, the Punisher) are something I read for the journey more than the destination.
Johnny Bacardi
September 28, 2007 at 6:30 pm
The exploding bomb thing threw me too- I had thought perhaps MotB had laid the bomb down and they had gotten out in the “space between panels” before it went off. Either way, it was a bit of a bait-and-switch and kinda marred an otherwise excellent story.
Greg Burgas
September 28, 2007 at 6:38 pm
Tim: On the last page, who says “In today’s contest between good and evil, you gambled on evil, John Mayhew. You lost.”? Is it Batman? If so, how is Mayhew hearing him? And who sets off the explosives? Is that a mistake, and Mayhew accidentally got caught on the island? And the Black Glove graphic encloses him as he realizes he’s screwed, which I thought meant he was just a pawn. That’s why.
Yes, Rohan, I meant the commenters on the blog in general. It was a while ago, so I wasn’t sure if you were in on it or not.
Rohan Williams
September 28, 2007 at 6:43 pm
“Either way, it was a bit of a bait-and-switch and kinda marred an otherwise excellent story.”
Is it just me, or has that happened to Morrison a lot lately? Otherwise perfect stories being marred by a few panels of muddled/unclear storytelling? Of course, it’s the ‘otherwise perfect’ part that really counts, but it’s just something I’ve noticed.
Tim Callahan
September 28, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Oh, I see now, Greg. I had originally misread that sequence to imply that, yes, Mayhew was a pawn of someone larger, but I thought that just meant that the Black Glove aka Mayhew, was getting help from like Ra’s al Ghul or some shadowy big baddie.
However, that Black Glove panel border and disembodied narration does suggest otherwise.
So, you are correct about your assumption, it seems. So, then, I don’t know what’s going on with the Black Glove either.
stealthwise
September 28, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Since I don’t think anyone else has said it yet, yes, Sean Phillips is a superstar. His work is fantastic at times, and the rest of it is merely good.
And the point of Punisher stories isn’t the inevitable “bad guys get bullets in the head,” but rather HOW it all comes around, almost like a locked room mystery at times. Just like we know Sherlock Holmes will solve the crime, we know that Frank will turn things around and kick complete ass. I don’t really trust anyone other than Ennis to tell those kinds of stories right now though.
sgt pepper
September 28, 2007 at 8:36 pm
You can always check out the Punisher written in the style of Preacher, Welcome Back Frank. It’s pretty great and has all the crazy, gross humor of Preacher (and great supporting characters too).
Chip Mosher
September 28, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Greg - see I told you we were back to action in this issue…and just wait until issue #5. Thanks for plugging LEFT ON MISSION.
FWIW, the trade coming out so close to issue #5 is to alleviate some of the past scheduling problems that BOOM! has had this past year previous to Waid and Fassbender coming on board. You will see a noticiable difference the next year as thier influence on the company is felt.
Chip
Greg Burgas
September 28, 2007 at 9:16 pm
Thanks for the info, Chip. That’s good to know.
I don’t mean to denigrate Sean Phillips, because he’s a very good artist, but I’m just not sure if he’s a “superstar.” If you think so, stealthwise, that’s very cool. And yes, I know that with most stories, it’s how we get there and not necessarily what happens, but again, it’s just the fact that we know how it’s going to end that bugs me. You bring up Sherlock Holmes, but Holmes doesn’t always get his man (or woman, in the case of Irene Adler), and he doesn’t even have similar cases. As I wrote, I’ll just have to pick up a trade of one of the suggestions and see for myself.
Mecha-Shiva
September 28, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Batman #669 confused the crap out of me, so you’re not alone.
red-Ricky
September 29, 2007 at 1:57 am
1-How did Man-of-Bats survive?
I assumed he chucked the bomb into the next room, closed the door, and still got hit with debris. (It’s what I would’ve done.)
2-Mayhew isn’t the Black Glove, right?
Right. He is called Hatman. Err… sorry. I meant, el Sombrero.
3-Does Batman think he is?
Nope. Gaucho ID’s him as El Sombrero.
4- Mayhew isn’t going to get away, but does he really? All he knows is that the boathouse is packed with explosives.
He also knows that Mayhew blew up most of the planes, and he isn’t near the boathouse. So his chances aren’t that great.
5- Does he realize that the Black Glove got away?
Wingman kept pushing his Villains of the world theory; but Batman wasn’t sold on it. He knew it was one guy pretending to be multiple villains. That doesn’t mean he is not going to look at the possibility that the Black Glove is real. But then again, it may just be another name for the League of Assassins.
6- What do you think?
I agree. I too, had a tough time following the story.
Tim Callahan
September 29, 2007 at 6:15 am
I interpreted it that Mayhew was adopting the role of El Sombrero for the story (to line up with the “League of Villains” misdirect the bad guys tried to pull off), but it’s unlikely that he was the “real” El Sombrero.
Glen Newman
September 29, 2007 at 9:12 am
Orson Randall probably won’t be meeting any WWII era Marvel heroes, because he fought in World War One
km
September 29, 2007 at 11:19 am
I hesitate to comment in-depth on the Punisher, but from what I can see the comparison with classic mystery/superhero tales doesn’t quite wash.
In those stories, there exists at least the possibility of a moral grey area. Even at the height of the classic age, there are such things as sympathetic villains, doubt about the severity of their crimes, and cases in which the ‘detective’ just plain screws up.
As Greg pointed out, just to take the iconic example, there’s more than one Holmes story in which he doesn’t get his man, and others in which he lets his man off scot-free.
Whereas, if I’m understanding the Punisher’s ’storytelling engine’ correctly, there’s no room whatsoever for grey. Frank Castle never questions the righteousness of his pursuit, and the villains are never more than scum. I can see were it’d make for a satisfying read, but eventually not a very interesting one.
Mike Loughlin
September 29, 2007 at 11:44 am
This may sound harsh, but I think a lot of readers feel this way: To me, “Ant-Man” is a stupid name & concept. Not even “so stupid its awesome,” just stupid.
I’ve never read the book. Why? It’s Ant-Man. Unless it has a really good writer (and I don’t consider most of Kirkman’s writing “really good,” although I like Walking Dead), I’m not going to even consider picking it up.
I might read a review that says a new Scorpions album really rocks, or that John Grisham,’s new book is his best yet, or that the newest romantic comedy starring Sandra Bullock and Ryan Gosling is both heartfelt and hilarious. Regardless, I’m probably not going to check them out.
I’m not implying “Ant-Man” fans are idiots, or don’t have good taste. To each his own. I’m not implying there are no good Ant-Man stories, or none possible. I think I speak for a good portion of readers, however, when I say an Ant-Man series, any Ant-Man series, holds no interest whatsoever.
MarkAndrew
September 29, 2007 at 3:34 pm
Batman made my head hurt, too. It was like reading Seven Soldier # 1 after reading Seven Soldiers # 0.
And I’m with you on “Speak of the Devil” I’m not sure why it was released in this format. I’m still really liking it, better than “Chance in Hell” or “Sloth,” even.
But some of that is that I *know* that when shit hits the fan it’s gonna be awesome. No cartoonist does “everything goes to hell” better than ‘Beto.
Apodaca
September 30, 2007 at 2:36 pm
And that, I have to say, doesn’t make any sense to me, whatsoever. Is it just the machismo factor coming into play because he’s not a bodybuilder with laser powers? I really can’t understand the hatred towards the Ant-Man concept. The Atom never has any of these problems, and he doesn’t have armies of poisonous flying creatures at his command.
Ant-Man, as a concept, is AWESOME. And that original helmet and suit is a classic Marvel costume.
Mike Loughlin
September 30, 2007 at 5:07 pm
He gets really small and talk to bugs. You say awesome, I say stupid. I like the original costume, hoewever.
As for his not being a bodybuilder with lasers, well, I’ve never dug bodybuilders with lasers, either. Super-heroes don’t have to be either Ant-Man or Cable.
Thinking something is stupid does not equal hatred. Ant-Man doesn’t inspire revulsion in me. I just think he’s lame. The old SNL skit in which [someone whose name escapes me] played Ant-Man kind of sums up my feelings toward the character. His comic didn’t sell, so I think a lot of readers feel the same.
The Atom has the benefits of Gil Kane art and some cool moments (The Atom & Green Arrow vs. Darkseid in JLA: Rock of Ages springs to mind). I liked the two issues of the New Atom I read, just not enough to buy it.
Apodaca
October 1, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Well, sure, if you boil down any character to two points and use a derisive tone, it can sound stupid.
Ant-Man also climbs inside your head through your ear and dances on your brain for justice and science. Ant-Man has a jetplane miniaturized in his pocket at all times, ready to be enlarged for use. Ant-Man is the best lover, because he fits anywhere, perfectly.
Oh, and those bugs he’s talking to?
He’s telling them to eat you.
Mike Loughlin
October 1, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Again, a super-hero whose greatest weapons can be defeated by Deep Woods Off.
Again, you say awesome, I say stupid. I like plenty of stupid characters. Ant-Man just isn’t one of them.
brian lockhart
October 2, 2007 at 10:09 am
Okay, here’s my take on the Batman issue…
Mayhew and Wingman were both working for the mysterious Black Glove, whom we did not meet.
Mayhew was playing at misdirection, trying to convince Batman and the League of Heroes that some of their arch foes had teamed up against them. Thus he was wearing the El Sombrero costume but also committed some of the murders using weapons from other arch foes.
What I think is that the Black Glove’s identity is going to prove to be a subplot, much as Morrison returned a few issues ago to the “Cop dressed as Batman” who showed up at the start of his run.
Perhaps the Black Glove is somehow related to the return of Ra’s? Or perhaps the Black Glove is somehow related to the still ongoing mystery of the three imposter Batmen (which will be picked up again, according to Previews, after the Return of Ra’s storyline concludes).
brian lockhart
October 2, 2007 at 10:18 am
On McDuffie’s JLA-
I WANT to like it. I loved his work on Justice League Unlimited. And I actually thought issue 13 had some great character bits, such as the discussion between Black Lightning and Green Lantern and the talk between Superman and Vixen.
But I agree - It’s just kind of dull and uninspired. I’m not sure whether to think Luthor has some ulterior motive that he is going to lay out next issue to take the story in a surprising direction, or whether we are meant to take his last page appearance at face value and next issue is him beating on Superman and Black Lightning.
But that’s kind of the problem, isn’t it? Since McDuffie so far has done a pretty paint by numbers story, there’s no reason to think he’s going to change it up in the next issue or two.
In fact I think we’ve basically seen the full plot for this story in Previews, on the cover of issue 15 - The JLA escapes and there’s a big fight between them and the Injustice League, and the heroes win.
The whole bit with John Stewart and Poison Ivy was kind of creative, but I also went away feeling like I’ve read that before.
And Red Tornado gets frozen in a block of ice for the issue. Borrrring.
And I hate to be THAT GUY but why don’t the villains try to unmask Batman? Why not at least SHOW US trying to unmask him and failing for some reason?
It all so far just feels like a cartoon. And it would be lots of fun animated with great voice work. But as a comic, not so much.
And then when you compare it to Morrison’s Injustice League arc or even what Alex Ross and Jim Krueger just did over in the JUSTICE limited series it seems even more uninspired.
sean
October 2, 2007 at 12:53 pm
I haven’t read Ennis’s Punisher for a while, but the thing that intrigued me the most was that, at a certain point, Ennis began to address the Big Question: How is it that The Punisher has not yet died? In fiction, those who live by the gun die by the gun; it’s inevitable. Especially in an Ennis story.
But it’s The Punisher, a popular character owned by Marvel, so that won’t happen.
But what’s great is, in every story, Ennis always put in a sequence where The Punisher *could* die. You knew he wouldn’t, but he could. And he happened to not die, and it was always emphasized that this was for luck [the one that stands out to me is the end of Mother Russia, where he draws straws with one other guy for who will live and who will die]. This supernatural luck (especially as it ties in to “Born”) is a really intriguing concept, to me.
sean
October 2, 2007 at 12:59 pm
“The potential for showing the reader superficially sympathetic characters who were vile because they overlooked and even tacitly approved of violent crime without directly engineering or participating in it was just too morally complex for the Punisher readers… or rather, for Ennis, I guess.”
I don’t think that’s fair to Ennis. Plenty of side characters in ‘Preacher’ could qualify. Hell, ‘Hitman’ has a character who fits exactly what you describe, and sends an assassin after Tommy… and then Tommy shoots her and every other person attending her wedding, and it suddenly, coldly reminds us that we’re reading a story about a bad, bad person. Hell, *any* World War II story by Ennis that I’ve ever read does exactly what you’re talking about; the Germans are “bad” because they’re Nazis, thus tacitly approving all sorts of stuff, but very few of them are actually evil people.
But Ennis’s Punisher wouldn’t be going after people of dubious morality; he’s going after heartless cruel bastards. He wouldn’t be going after people who might not actually be guilty; he’s going after the worst of the worst. [Although I remember ‘Mother Russia’ being fairly morally complex for a Punisher story.]
And a bunch of mob wives who tacitly approved of the violent crime but were not actually heartless/violent people themselves would not be trying to target The Punisher for revenge. That would just not make sense. He’s The Punisher. It would take a very specific type of mentality to decide “The worst sociopath in the world is this guy, who is dedicated to killing criminals, so it seems like a good idea for me to take revenge on him for killing my criminal husband.”
Apodaca
October 2, 2007 at 6:28 pm
No, not actually. Not all insects are small. And that’s not his greatest weapon. Pym particles are. The insects are just part of the pastiche.
Also, since when is a character’s coolness determined by his superpowers? Is this the rumbles board or something?
Mike Loughlin
October 3, 2007 at 5:46 am
Apodaca, I was expressing my opinion of why I (and, I suspect, many readers) think Ant-Man is stupid, and giving reasons. You are countering with reasons why you think he is awesome. I see what you are saying, I just don’t agree.
As to super-powers determining character excellence, I wouldn’t say they do. Otherwise, Daredevil, one of my favorites, would never have made it (he could be defeated by an airhorn). However, power lameness can undermine a character’s potential coolness. Again, I think turning really tiny and commanding bugs is a lame power. It stretches my suspension of disbelief more than other super-powers. (which could be considered just as silly, I suppose) I keep wondering why no one steps on Ant-Man. At least the Atom can go sub-atomic, ride light waves, etc. You think the powers are cool. Difference of opinion.
As to characterization, I’ve never cared much for Hank Pym (even without the spousal abuse, which was a terrible idea to begin with) or, for that matter, The Wasp. I find them boring, and I found the moroseness and whining forced upon Pym since the ’80s tiresome. Kurt Busiek couldn’t make him interesting to me in Avengers. As for Scott Lang, I’ve read a handful of his appearances, and he did not make an impression on me. If you like them, fine. They just don’t appeal to me.
American Hawkman
November 24, 2007 at 10:21 am
Ennis has done one fairly ambiguous Punisher arc… the opening part of the first MAX arc, where the Punisher takes on the CIA and his old sidekick Microchip. (Who was involved in the operation solely to try and save Frank from himself.) Frank did something I’d never seen him do. He gave Micro a chance to run, with the idea being he’d never go after him. But because he wouldn’t leave Frank to die, he got the bullet to the head. I can honestly say I didn’t know how that arc was going to end, which is a rarity for that title.