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Sinestro Corps War is what World War Hulk SHOULD be

When the first issue of World War Hulk was released, I recommended the book. It was that rare modern superhero comic where it contained good character work while containing a whole pile of cool action scenes, including a tremendous fight between the Hulk and Iron Man.

Around the same time, DC began their Sinestro Corps War crossover between the two Green Lantern titles (Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps) with a one-shot, Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps.

The one-shot was a surprising (to me, at least) success, almost on par with the first issue of World War Hulk.

However, while Greg Pak’s Hulk story basically stalled after two issues, Geoff Johns (and Dave Gibbons)’ story has only gained momentum.

Part of it is because Pak’s story relies on a good deal more contrivance than Johns’ story (although we shall see how Johns’ story ends, because the odds do seem to be a bit TOO stacked against the heroes, so hopefully we will not get a contrived resolution), including a good deal of “what’s the dumbest thing character X could do so Hulk captures him?” writing, while Johns’ story has not had to do anything like that so far, and meanwhile, the open scope of the cosmic landscape has ALLOWED Johns to do more.

By the end of the second issue of World War Hulk, Hulk had defeated pretty much every superhero!! The rest of the series was, “Wait for the Sentry to show up” (and yes, his entrance WAS quite excellent), while each issue of Sinestro Corps War has SOMEthing going on in it, like the “Battle of Mogo” (great idea, no?). So even though Sinestro Corps has almost twice as many issues as World War Hulk, it has still managed to maintain the action and suspense over said issues, while Hulk has sputtered out over the course of FEWER issues.

I think the key lesson to World War Hulk, and really, ALL future crossovers, that they can learn from the Sinestro Corps War is – Don’t be afraid of having things HAPPEN the entire series – nothing kills a crossover more than the feeling as though issues are being spent merely spinning the wheels without moving forward (yes, I am looking at you, Countdown and Endangered Species!).

Let’s hope that the Sinestro Corps will be able to keep it up. And also, let’s hope that the Messiah Complex (organized by Axel Alonso) manages to surprise me by being a massive X-Men crossover without spending issues spinning the wheels.

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Perhaps as a story you are right, but I wouldn’t know as I lost track of what comics the story was running through and in what order. The guy at the comic shop didn’t know either so I am holding out hope they do a trade.

I think for me WWH lost a lot of seriousness once I kept imaging Mr Furious from the Mystery Men film in Hulk’s role.

Mmmm… judging by the sales, I believe Sinestro Corps Wars SHOULD BE what World War Hulk IS.

Sinestro Corps is easily the best “big event” that I’ve read in years. It’s got plenty of action, lots of stuff happening all the time, and still a good amount of character moments (even if a good portion of it is Hal musing on how great he is).

Really, my only complaint with this storyline is the fact that downgrading Kyle Rayner back to his old GL status has made Jade’s death back in Infinite Crisis completely pointless (instead of only 95% pointless). The only reason she died in the first place was to give Kyle new powers, and that’s ended up lasting only a little over a year.

On the bright side, she probably gets upgraded to girl in a fridge status.

My biggest disappointment with WWH isn’t that the story isn’t moving, it’s that nothing will happen in the end. I only wish I’d have realized this 4 months ago.

Realistically, Hulk should kill Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, Dr. Strange, Blackbolt, and Professor X. That’s his motivation, and there’s nothing the heroes can do to stop him. He’s pised at them… they die… period. It’s a shame that’s the way the story has ben presented, because there’s no way Marvel can do that.

So Hulk beat up the entire Marvel-U in two issues. Three issues later, the story ends and they all go home. What a wasted opportunity.

I haven’t read Sinestro Corps War, so I can’t coment on it. All I can say is this: If the story took longer than two issues to tell and there’s at least the possiblity of long-term ramifications, then it’s already better than WWH.

Was Messiah Complex organized by Alonso or was it organized by Brubaker, Carey, et al, and Andy Schmidt?

I’m not sure when exactly he left, but I’d much rather see him organize something (like, let’s say Annihilation 1) than Alonso do it.

And I really do think DC’s turning things around.

For creative team shifts, I’m looking forward to:

Dixon’s Robin, Tomasi’s Nightwing, Bedard’s Outsiders, Gail’s WW, McDuffie digging in with JLA, McKeever’s first real arc on TT, McKeever on BoP, Freddie Williams II joining Waid on Flash, that rumored Batwoman book by Rucka/JH Williams (which, yeah, is a rumor but it’s such a neat one), and I’m even cautiously optimistic about Shooter on Legion.

Just tons and tons of stuff that ought to be really good.

And yes, of course everything’s building to some big, massive crossover, but it’s one done by MORRISON/JG JONES so I’m fairly open to it sight unseen.

Too bad about that Judd/Churchill Titans book though.

M Bloom: “Really, my only complaint with this storyline is the fact that downgrading Kyle Rayner back to his old GL status has made Jade’s death back in Infinite Crisis completely pointless (instead of only 95% pointless). The only reason she died in the first place was to give Kyle new powers, and that’s ended up lasting only a little over a year.”

Can somebody clear this up for me – what exactly IS the Ion entity, then? Because if this is a new being that’s supposed to have been part of the GL lore since the beginning, where has it been all this time? If Kyle was supposed to become Ion thanks to Jade, then was the Ion entity IN Jade? And if so, where was the Ion entity BEFORE that?

I mean it’s great and all that now there’s this creature that counterbalances the Parallax entity, and the story still kicks all sorts of ass, but that one wrinkle is a little confusing…

Sinestro Corps is a thrilling adventure story (and has done that very well up to this point). I don’t understand the need people have to compare it to WWH. It’s closer to Annihilation (and Annihilation: Conquest) in concept.

World War Hulk happened because of things Tony Stark did. (Civil War, World War Hulk and Secret Invasion all happened because of things Stark did.) The scene in World War Hulk #4 where Hulk says they are all monsters is basically what the story is really about.

I mean, I understand the attitude that people think WWH is about the Hulk beating up the Marvel Universe but that’s sort of missing the point. If it were just about the fights, I can see why it would be disappointing (Black Bolt and the Avengers mostly get taken out off-panel, The Fantastic Four beg Hulk to stop, Dr. Strange realizes how far he had gone just in time to get beaten up).

The whole point is Hulk gets up there and tells them “you people really aren’t all that much better than me.” And then he has normal humans come up and say why the Illuminati are not actually great people. The only “unfair” moment about that is the charge against Dr. Strange, which was written by Pak himself. It just felt weird when seeing these charges leveled against Black Bolt (for Silent War), Reed and Tony (for “Clor”) that I’ve seen actual fans complain about then put alongside something Pak had written in WWH.

This whole thing is just my opinion of course and I’m sure everyone else disagrees with me.

It’s not really fair to group Endangered Species up there.

It’s not a cross-over.

It’s a series of back up stories.

It’s there to set the stage for Messiah Complex and to explain, in story, about the dumbness of the editorial mandated no more mutants, and it’s being ignored in pretty much every book (but X-Factor).

Why does no one seem concerned about the end of mutants?
Why isn’t Reed, Tony, Hank P, T’Challa, and Hank M. working day and night to solve the problem?
Shouldn’t the High Evolutionary, Sinister, and Dark Beast be concerned about all of this?
What about the future mutants we know of…or grabbing mutants from Cross Time.

It’s basically just spackling over the plot holes that Bendis/Quesada left in the wake of HoM. (and there’s some rather nice Beast character stuff going on).

The real reason for Endangered Species to me seems to be to prove to fans that at present there is no way to reverse decimation and also shut up all the people going “Well, why didn’t they… (insert fan theory here)?”

Re: Endangered Species.

You put Carey, Gage, and Yost(I think Yost is the third one) together and you’re going to get a well written, character-ific tour of the MU.

I think the difference between WWH and Sinestro Corps is with a few exceptions, Johns is working with many expendable characters while WWH involves all the major players of Marvel so you know, nobody is really going to die.

I think that is while Annihilation worked so well. The characters weren’t being used for the most part so there was no reason to believe they would all survive.

[quote]Sinestro Corps is a thrilling adventure story (and has done that very well up to this point). I don’t understand the need people have to compare it to WWH. It’s closer to Annihilation (and Annihilation: Conquest) in concept.

World War Hulk happened because of things Tony Stark did. (Civil War, World War Hulk and Secret Invasion all happened because of things Stark did.) The scene in World War Hulk #4 where Hulk says they are all monsters is basically what the story is really about.[/quote]

I agree. I also believe that the action in sinestro corps is not really that good. Honestly not a single fight has been satisfactory ’till now, of course you have many panels of characters flying like a storm. But I had already seen that in authority, and that was waaaaaaaaay better. Rhe confrontation with parallax in the last GL episode was the first fight that didn’t get suddenly interrupted, and it sucked very very much.
On the other hand strange smash on WWH 4 was frankly amazing. WWH is a very dark tale about brutality, vengeance and power, on the other hand in sinestro corps we get a very manichean tale about courage against fear and bad people with ridicously evil plans. I enjoy GL because it’s moving and it’s spectacular enough, but I take WWH over it any single day.
And the fact that the hulk isn’t killing the heroes is the point of the whole thing, if you are thinking it sucked because it lacked death toll you are sorely wrong.

Captain Qwert Jr

October 15, 2007 at 12:07 pm

WW just jerks from plot point to plot point until it reaches it’s designated ending.

Of course that’s every Marvel crossover nowadays.

On the other hand if the Hulk kills the Sentry I will arbitrarily give it 5 stars.

unless you’re saying FF should be like ASS, a marvel book should NEVER be like a friggin’ book from the Distinguished Competition

Sinestro Corps War has been my favourite crossover ‘event’ since, God, the Death and Return of Superman? Knightfall? It’s amazing, and it’s the only crossover where I’ve bothered to pick up every issue.

Having said that, now is kind of a weird time to lavish praise on it, since GL #24 was the weakest issue so far. Hopefully it was just the calm before the last two parts’ storm…

I’ve read things that are a lot worse than WWH, but I do find it laughable to think that the Hulk could ever beat Dr. Strange. Hell, it shouldn’t have even come to that: giving Mr. Fantastic a whole day to get ready usually guaruntees success. I understand the need to keep the Hulk from going down too easy, but I just don’t find the way it went down to be plausible.

Eh, Sinestro Corps is pretty good, but there are more than a few issues that feel like a spinning of the ol’ wheels, mostly when Johns is writing. On the other hand, Gibbons seems to be delivering the non-stop asskicking.

Its funny the way you phrased it because I seem to recall folks at DC saying they should have promoted the Sinestro Corps the way Marvel promoted World War Hulk.

Its funny the way you phrased it because I seem to recall folks at DC saying they should have promoted the Sinestro Corps the way Marvel promoted World War Hulk.

Totally agreed on that point.

DC really blew a marketing/sales opportunity here.

“while Greg Pak’s Hulk story basically stalled after two issues, Geoff Johns (and Dave Gibbons)’ story has only gained momentum.”

True dat.

But it’s so simple: After the one-shot that kicked it all off (which was an amazing start), it’s only run through two titles: Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps. There’s even a convenient numbering on the covers, telling which part it is. (Yes there have been specials since the launch, but those aren’t tied into the actual action — they aren’t part of the “Sinestro Corps War” numbering system. I haven’t picked up anything but the GL and GLC issues and I haven’t missed a thing.)

It’s not your job to figure out DC’s crossover strategy (though it’s pretty simple, like I said), but it IS your comic-shop guy’s job. He really oughtta know which issues the story is running across so he can point you to it when you ask. The fact that he doesn’t shows that he’s lazy or (at best) disinterested.

Um, the above post was in response to this entry:
“Perhaps as a story you are right, but I wouldn’t know as I lost track of what comics the story was running through and in what order. The guy at the comic shop didn’t know either so I am holding out hope they do a trade.”

To be fair, Rebis, there’s not even anything in GL and GLC saying “read Parallax next, followed by GL” or whatever. I agree that something simple like that would have helped, especially since the Specials have tied into the main action a little bit. I just looked up the DC website and read them in the order they were released, which was easy enough.

The Specials definitely aren’t essential for following the story, so you’re absolutely right about that.

I would have liked for the Sinestro Corps Special #1 to have had a “Sinestro Corps War Part 1″ stamp on it.

Good point, that Special definitely is essential for following the story. Either way, it’s a kick-ass story, so hopefully anyone who hasn’t followed the single issues can pick up the trades.

I think the entire thing that is wrong with WWH has been the fact that Pak just blatantly says “Hulk Good, Other Guys Bad” throughout the entire thing. To me, it’s a story of contradictions (Hulk is angrier than ever!… but he’s more composed than just about every version out there? Wha?”) and lame beatdowns.

And I’m going to really disagree with the guy above who said the Sinestro Corps fights haven’t delivered. “characters flying like a storm”? It’s a WAR with hundreds of combatants. I love the epic feel those sorts of scenes give, and it characterizes the war so damn well. It’s EPIC.

And I’m going to disagree completely with you on WWH4: it was downright lame and predictable. The only good fight in that entire series was the Iron Man fight, because you actually felt like Hulk was at his angriest. It was just like it should have been. There was a minimum on talking, something which has really ruined this series for me. Plus, I have to (grudgingly) agree with one of the IGN reviewers, who said of #3 “Hasn’t the Army tried this stuff before and failed miserably?” The entire series, outside of the first issue, is a giant “Sentry Watch”, with a number of better characters getting sacrificed to bit-players like the Warbound. I understand that idea of “You’re the real monsters!”, but frankly it’s done, it’s cliche, and it’s not even being done well.

The things that made me annoyed at WWH lately is how OOC some heroes lately when it comes to being defeated by Hulk and his cronies. Characters who can make a herald of Galactus sweat are easily dispatched by the Warbound and Strange, using the essence of the the being the Living Tribunal himself classifies as an A-1 threat gets beaten by a reaaaaaally strong punch.

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