Comments on: Top 100 Marvel Characters #86-90

By: taylor

taylor — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:19:54 +0000

Doc Ock got beat by Northstar? Weird.

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abconnect » Blog Archive » Top 100 Marvel Characters #86-90 — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:14:19 +0000

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By: avengers63

avengers63 — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:22:08 +0000

LOTHOR: I was using "putz" to call him a jerk. "Putz" is vastly more descriptive than "jerk". After looking it up on Wkik just now, I did indeed use the term correctly.

By: Doug Atkinson

Doug Atkinson — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:15:31 +0000

Bill Mantlo was even more up-front about Northstar's sexuality than Byrne was (up until editorial fiat forced him to change direction), with his sister observing that he loved Sasquatch as much as she did and asking him "Since when did you object to men in tight clothing?" (And note that the editorial change of direction didn't consist of abruptly trying to present him as straight, so none of the earlier setup was negated.)

By: Biggles

Biggles — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:48:39 +0000

I've looked it up as it's not a common term in the UK.

Have to say thats really really funny.

By: Lothor

Lothor — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:20:24 +0000

avengers63, Patrick Joseph: um, you do know what "putz" means (literally), don't you?

By: Matt Bird

Matt Bird — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:17:08 +0000

At one point the team all gets the call to action and Byrne showed Northstar lounging around the pool with some dude. I didn't even know what gay was, exactly, but even I picked up a vibe.

By: Brian Cronin

Brian Cronin — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:20:48 +0000

Northstar visits his old boyfriend early in the series.

By: Richard

Richard — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:19:10 +0000

" in this instance, Byrne clearly wrote Northstar as gay IN the comic " How so? I was reading the comic at the time, and I don't recall anything that would have made me say "Aha! This character's gay!".

By: Matt D

Matt D — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:11:44 +0000

I love the Skull's group of evil guys from around then.

By: Vincent Paul Bartilucci

Vincent Paul Bartilucci — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:47:14 +0000

mrjayberry - okay, you got me there.

By: mrjayberry

mrjayberry — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:05:49 +0000

Vincent Paul Bartilucci-More glorius than Cap punching Red Skull? Yes, Cap punching Hitler of course.

As for Northstar is this the first member of Alpha Flight we've seen? I've read he became an X-Man but really he is a putz. Also I like him better when he was a Fairy.

He may be my least favorite member of Alpha Flight.
Wheres Puck?

By: Brian Cronin

Brian Cronin — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:55:18 +0000

Byrne can say what he wants in Comic Colector. Unless it happened in the actual comic, it doesnâ€™t matter. I donâ€™t doubt that he wrote Northstar as gay. It wasnâ€™t ever said or depicted until #110 (at least Iâ€™m prety sure that was the issue number). He could as easily have said that NS dyes his hair black. If it ainâ€™t said in the book, it ainâ€™t real.

I agree with, "Author intent is not that important if it is doesn't happen in the comic," but in this instance, Byrne clearly wrote Northstar as gay IN the comic - he just wasn't allowed by editorial to come right out and say, "I am GAY!" To wit, Maggie Sawyer never said she was gay during Byrne's Superman run either - but you wouldn't get very far arguing that she was not, indeed, gay in the comic.

By: sgt pepper

sgt pepper — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:32:43 +0000

"Thatâ€™s called being middle-aged. "

Oh snap!

And it really looks like Daniel Clowes drew Doc Ock on that Spider-Man 11 cover. Before he was born even!

By: Apodaca

Apodaca — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:05:21 +0000

Bad anatomy on thar BW GN. Her face is horrid and her boobs are at the bottom of her rib cage.

That's called being middle-aged.

By: avengers63

avengers63 — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:54:21 +0000

Byrne can say what he wants in Comic Colector. Unless it happened in the actual comic, it doesn't matter. I don't doubt that he wrote Northstar as gay. It wasn't ever said or depicted until #110 (at least I'm prety sure that was the issue number). He could as easily have said that NS dyes his hair black. If it ain't said in the book, it ain't real. How many times have we heard from a creator "This is what I was going to do with it" after they left the book and it went in a completely different direction? That may have been what what WAS going to happen, but it isn't what DID happen. That NS came out later coincided with Byrne's original direction is pure coincidence. But we can agree to disagree with this point. At least we agree that NS is a putz.

By: Patrick Joseph

Patrick Joseph — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:56:11 +0000

"I always thought Northstar was a putz. Making him gay didnâ€™t help."

The character was gay during John Byrne's run on Alpha Flight. So, he was never "made gay" in the sense that it was a retcon.

Byrne outed the character in an early 1980's issue of a comics news magazine called Comic Collector. In the interview he states that several female fans had written in asking about it, but no male readers had.

This, of course, makes him no more or less of a putz.

By: Cold War Whore

Cold War Whore — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:52:15 +0000

Natasha is definitely in my top ten at least. I would assume that she'd at least be around 30 on a larger scale.

By: entzauberung

entzauberung — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:16:05 +0000

That the Widow ain't higher is a damn disgrace.

By: Dave

Dave — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:22:27 +0000

Richard K. Morgan's two Black Widow miniseries are some of my favorite Marvel material in recent memory. I've been a huge fan of Morgan's novels since I first read Altered Carbon, and Bill Sienkiewicz, Goran Parlov, and Sean Phillips are all immensely talented artists. I've always been disappointed that Morgan never got to do his third volume with the planned Black Widow/Elektra confrontation or resolve the subplot with the paralyzed trucker from the first miniseries seeking revenge on Natasha, but at least we got the first 2 great miniseries out of him. Hopefully he'll do more comic work in the future.