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10/25 – Declarative Rabbit Says…

In this week’s Sinestro Corps one-shot, I thought that Earth Prime’s Superbo…what?!?! Hey!! Wait!!……………

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I don’t get it.

And wouldn’t your money be better used on kibble?

I’ve read spoilers for this issue, and I still don’t know what 3 is talking about.

And I’ve decided I prefer it that way.

He’s not Super”boy” any more.

The narration and dialogue from Superboy Prime is solid gold. I’d like to see somebody put together a “Superboy Prime or Newsarama poster?” quiz.

Apropos of nothing, can I just say we really need to get rid of the “talking” ads on this blog?

“Make a wish, Laurie!” is one of the best-placed lines of dialogue I’ve seen in a LONG time.

I dunno. I thought it was okay. Kind of gave some motivation for the character. It wasn’t as po-faced as the Parallax one-shot was.

Risk’s “contribution” to the fight is one of the best things I’ve read lately.

Dave’s idea is brilliant and I would be interested in subscribing to his newsletter.

Superb–*… um, SuperMAN Prime was Alex Ross all along. Who knew?

FunkyGreenJerusalem

October 25, 2007 at 9:23 pm

My problem with the posts like this is the assumption that readers of the blog are reading terrible shit like Countdown and Sinestro War, or even care in the slightest.

I don’t get it.

Just a joke about how DC is now in legal heck, where they can’t use the name Superboy anymore, so they have to quickly rename a bunch of characters (and refer to the old Superboy as Conner).

That’s true. Of course, there only so many times one can read Maus or Blankets (much less discuss them), isn’t there?

Comics SHOULD be Good, but absolute shit seems to be published with greater frequency, is easier to come by and is more fun to discuss.

Todd, as I said to one of my friends, I read the line “This universe was better when I was a kid. WAY better.” and knew that I was in for the funniest comic of the week, hands down. An oh man, the Risk part was HI-larious.

Why can’t they use “Superboy”?

My problem is posters who assume they can speak for the entire readership and that if their taste in comic books isn’t reflected by the general population, it should be, because their judgment is clearly superior, and the rest of us should all obey our betters.

Superboy Prime always sounded like a badly titled Amalgam book (if they had used the Marvel/Malibu characters too)

Sudenim–Thanks for saying that for me!

It looks like enough people bought, read and / or enjoyed the issue to make the point. Geek snobbery just doesn’t get any mileage with me.

DC lost the rights to Superboy to the estate of one of the Superman creators (I forget if it was Siegel or Shuster) in court (or they settled out of court-again I forget the specifics).

So now DC can’t have a Superboy show up in their comics/licensed products without paying up. It’s also why the new Legion cartoon features a young SuperMAN instead of Superboy-same dynamic as having Superboy without directly calling him that.

I’m sure someone out there can clarify and fill in my fuzzy memory.

Stephane Savoie

October 26, 2007 at 8:37 am

The gist dispute of it is that SuperBOY is a distinct character from SuperMAN, because he has a different name, MO, supporting caste, and milieu.
The Legion animated skirts this by never referring to any of the things which makes Superboy distinct… no Smallville, Lana Lang, Krypto, secret underground base, etc.
That’s how I remember it, anyway.

The Superman Prime one-shot (the only “extra” issue of the Sinestro Corps War that I’ve bought) was actually highly entertaining (and actually much better than the chapter of “GLC” that came out the same day, which felt like filler to me). It was hilarious reading Superman-Prime as an Alex Ross stand-in. And I also loved the quickie sequence with Risk. This comic was fun, funny, action-packed, and only slightly irksome. Sometimes I just want to read something FUN, not necessarily deep, though never brainless — and there’s plenty of meta-textual commentary happening in this comic. Plus: Pete Woods’ great art! Hope those of you who are better than this “terrible shit” enjoy the view from your high horse while the rest of us have a good time.

“Slightly irksome” is enough for most people to not want to pay money for something. If I’m going to have silly, brainless entertainment (which we all like sometimes), I don’t want it to irk me at all.

I haven’t read the book and have no plans to, but I saw a kid reading it while we were waiting for Stephen Colbert at Barnes and Noble. It looked pretty genuinely awful. Folks, don’t get upset when people insult things you like. I know it’s a natural, gut reaction, but it’s irrational. I think these comics are terrible shit, yes. But I do not think you are.

Superboy Prime always sounded like a badly titled Amalgam book (if they had used the Marvel/Malibu characters too)

It sounds to me like something you’d ask your butcher for half a pound of.

I’m not interested in getting into a big debate, Joe … such threads so often devolve into flame wars. Although since that doesn’t often happen here at CSBG, and I figure we’re both intelligent people, I’ll respond rather than just keep my mouth shut.

Your first point (in your first paragraph) is well taken. I disagree personally, based on my own standards, because there are plenty of kinds of art/entertainment I consume (books, films, music, live theater, etc.) that aren’t perfect. If I held up a standard of perfection (judged from my own vantage point of course), I wouldn’t have much to see/hear/read. I’d also be a pretty cranky person, considering humans aren’t perfect. I realize you didn’t mention the notion of “perfection,” but that’s what I was getting at when I suggested that the comic was “only slightly irksome.” There were a few things I’d’ve done differently, and that’s why it’s not great, but it was good enough for me to enjoy and to recommend to anyone looking for this kind of thing. Let’s face it, nobody bought the “Superman Prime” one-shot thinking they were going to read “The Three Paradoxes” or “Fun Home” or something.

But in your second graph, you go ahead and make a value judgment about something you haven’t even read. That’s the problem I have with that perspective; it seems sophomoric to me. Just because I don’t generally like, say cop movies or country music doesn’t mean I’ve never enjoyed a particular cop movie or an individual country tune. You’re not a fan of this style of comics? Good for you. But instead of insisting that any specific example — something you’ve never read (watched, heard, etc.) of a genre you don’t enjoy — is ipso facto bad (or “genuinely awful” or “terrible shit”), why not just say, “That doesn’t interest me”? That’s a much more defensible position — really, who’s going to argue with that? The alternative is, you appear haughty or jerky or both.

I saw enough of it that I could tell it was shitty. I watched another person read it. I didn’t read every word but I could tell. I think that’s plenty.

My problem is posters who assume they can speak for the entire readership and that if their taste in comic books isn’t reflected by the general population, it should be, because their judgment is clearly superior, and the rest of us should all obey our betters.

You’ve certainly got a hell of a complex, there.

Hope those of you who are better than this “terrible shit” enjoy the view from your high horse while the rest of us have a good time.

This is my favorite low-brow defense. You don’t get it. That terrible shit is not fun for us. Even if we went slumming and started reading all these comics that people get so defensive about, we still wouldn’t enjoy them.

So, it’s not like you have something over us. Just a bigger collection of disposable entertainment. We’re having a great time up here reading Chris Ware and Daniel Clowes.

We’re not looking down on you. We don’t care what’s down there. It’s all getting buried under our dust while we gallop on ahead.

Apodaca dear…that is the single funniest claim to humility I’ve read in a long, long time.

I truly enjoy the use of “we” (I like to imagine he is using the royal “we” to dignify his highbrow tastes in comics) in Apodaca’s post, and the implication that everyone who isn’t reading this month’s Generic Superhero Crossover Megabattle is clearly a connoisseur of the finest examples of sequential storytelling the medium has to offer.

There is absolutely nothing insulting or gut-bustingly hilarious about that.

First off, it’s not a claim to humility. I don’t know where you got that. I’m rejecting the notion that by being a more discerning reader, you have less fun reading. On the contrary, by avoiding stuff that has irksome elements, it’s easier to have fun reading. I’m just sick of people equating high standards with a low enjoyment level. It’s a cheap tactic to try and get one over someone who you feel is attacking you. But we’re not attacking you, we’re just attacking what you like.

And I use “we” because the post I’m responding to referred to a group of people. I’m just following the context of the conversation, people. So, sorry, but what you might like to imagine I’m thinking happens to be completely separate from reality. Sometimes, the simplest explanation is the truest.

You misread me in another way, too. I’m not implying that everyone who doesn’t read the big mainstream to-do has great taste. I’m stating, quite plainly, that people who avoid that kind of garbage aren’t missing out on anything by doing so.

Just in case it really bothers anyone, I’ll switch to first-person, here. I’m not jealous of you. I don’t want to be like you. I’m very content with my habits and behaviors, here.

See, no claims to humility.

Does anyone else have this mental image of a guy in a Klingon uniform thumbing his nose at Battlestar Galactica fans?

*whiny voice*
But I like superheroes.
*regular voice*
I don’t care for Chris Ware. I find the designs too anarchic and the stories without emotion. Ware does not elicit a strong reaction from me, either good or bad. At least with superheroes, I can throw a “f@%k yeah!” like dave’s longbox.

It’s wrong to call Geoff Johns comics shitty, now? Seriously?

Grow up kids, Joe just made an innocuous comment.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

October 28, 2007 at 5:29 pm

My problem is posters who assume they can speak for the entire readership and that if their taste in comic books isn’t reflected by the general population, it should be, because their judgment is clearly superior, and the rest of us should all obey our betters.

My problem is a bunch of pissy little whiners who make a big thing out my comment.
I just found it odd that there’s a post about what I’d assumed would be a pretty obscure book most people wouldn’t be reading.
I’ve never read Chris Ware and I don’t like Daniel Clowes much, but that still doesn’t mean I have any interest in something like Sinestro Wars.

Sudenim–Thanks for saying that for me!

It looks like enough people bought, read and / or enjoyed the issue to make the point. Geek snobbery just doesn’t get any mileage with me.

Reverse snobbery does even less for me.

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