Spider-Man has been around longer today than Superman had been in the Silver Age, but Spidey has the baggage of trying to keep a consistent continuity throughout. If they are trying to wipe the slate clean, I say good for them.

I have no idea what the spoiler is and don't really care. I gave up on Spider-Man comics decades ago.

I must say I liked his art in the Doctor Strange issue though.

As far as ideas go, Norman/Gwen/Rapid-aged super-powered twins was a much worse idea.

I think they definitely haven't thought things through. Joe Q is always adamant that taking away the marriage will make Peter more interesting, but Joe Q is not a writer and I would like him to explain how he's going to push the character forward or break any nw ground by first taking him backwards.

They shouldn't have had him reveal his secret identity, although I suppose they'll undo that now too. They shouldn't have had Wanda say "no more mutants", because the X-books are poorer for it (except X-Factor).

I agree with everyone who has pointed out that those who want an unmarried Peter can read Ultimate Spider-Man. Why doesn't Joe read that instead? It's a depressng exmple of an editor fulfilling his own desires instead of those of the readers. Has he really had a lot of mail from people complaining about the wedding? I doubt it. In fact, my understanding is that he's already received a lot of flack from fans over his views on the marriage. This move will not bring in any new readers. It won't bring in people who've never read comics because they won't know or care. It won't bring in comic readers who've never read Spider-Man because they won't care. It won't bring back old Spidey fans who've dropped the book, because I doubt they dropped it because of the wedding. So that leaves your current readers. At best you'll keep them, at worst you'll drive them away. What's it all for Mr Quesada?

Stick “watches”over a young Matt working out in the gym...therefore does not need to draw Matt out, because he already knows where to find him.

I meant "draw him out" as in "get him to act heroic, thus starting him on the path Stick intended" rather than "find him." But I don't know where I got the idea that they were the same blind guy, then...

Superboy prime punch was a very dumb (and silly) idea done with possibly good intentions.

OMD is a very dumb (and silly) idea but what makes it take the cake is that its done for the stupidest possible reasons.

That's what makes it so bad, its not how they're doing it, its what they're doing that's DUMB!

Panles #2-4 on the same page show the accident in which Matt lost his sight and the man Matt saves is obviously not Stick.

Later in the same book Stick introduces himself to Matt and never mentions being the man in question (even if it was a disguise...which Stick wouldn't have to do....he already knew Matt was who he was looking for before the accident....well he noticed him anyway....Matt becoming blind caused Stick to enteract with him.)

Back to Spider-Man.....gotta agree with what Marc said. May WOULD NOT want Peter and M.J to give up their life together to save hers and would proably sell her soul to the devil to get the chance to come back and kick them both in the butt if they did!

As for the Onslaught comment I made earlier I was refering more to how Frankilin Richards "fixed" Tony Stark.

Last, last thought ... Spider-Man is the every man, who experiences problems, who many kids want to grow up to be, and being married makes that more realistic in many respects. (And don't argue the supermodel thing to me ... all the Marvel women look like supermodels, and MJ hasn't modeled since Web of Spider-Man 49?)

Anyway, I've ranted enough.

Veidt

Spidey not married is whinny. So whinny. And I LOVE Spider-Man. He was my in character and as someone who owns over a million comics he holds a big place in my heart.

But the big shame here? Spider-Man and MJ have been married for 20 years now. 20. Married in June 1987, here we are 20 years later and now the marriage has got to go. Romance in Spider-Man stories will go as well... It will feel forced if he dates any other woman, just like it did in the 90's when MJ was believed dead. The difference here that we are supposed to like is that MJ has a say as well. More organic storytelling ... but that doesn't make it acceptable or good.

(Funny the story that breaks them up is as contrived as the idea to get them married...)

Also what this means is ... guess what, kids, fans, are used to Spidey married. And if they aren't, they have Ultimate Spider-Man. And so many good stories have been told with them married. The Death of Kraven wouldn't have been near as tramatic and sad if they hadn't been married. The kidnapping of MJ by Jonathan Caeser. JM Demattis entire Spectacular Spider-Man run (well except a Doc Ock christmas). Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 2 #50. Spirts of the Earth. Spider-Man/Red Sonja (has been fun, not great). To make a more complete list I'd need to go back issue digging but the point is there are lots of great character moments and arcs that have happened with them married. Not married, Spidey was ... well whinny and wishy washy after about Amazing #150. Gwen dead ... who else was Peter going to be with?

Anyway, this will scar Spidey for years. Not as a character in action but that for the book to approach relationships will always create a comparison ... until every fan whose read the book before OMD is dead. (Not trying to be morbid.)

And I don't feel entitled ... it just seems so forced and pointless. An example of older fans wanting to fix things to the way they like. Am I any different? Probably not, except I'm suggesting fix the problems ... by writing better. Not a "Crisis" solution, which this is. This is the first time, that I can remember (except the Sentry which was a retcon) where if Spidey, MJ, and the world doesn't remember their marriage is just like ... well the world no longer remembers that Wonder Woman didn't come to the man's world till after Legends, or that Superman wasn't in WW2. This is DC style corrections, that Joe Q has said over and over again ... he doesn't like.

My only hope ... and this is slim is Joe Q has messed with fan expectations before. This could be a giant mislead.
Let's hope.

Veidt.

BTB, IF YOU LIKE SPIDER-MAN AT ALL, BUY SPIDER-MAN:THE ICON. GREAT BOOK!!!!

The guy which Matt saved wasn’t Stick. Really, why Stick would need to have his life saved from a truck by a 12 year old boy?

He didn't need to - he was trying to draw out Matt Murdock (for whatever reason) and acting helpless was a part of that. I don't know which particular issue it was in, but I believe it was in the Man Without Fear miniseries...

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Jerk.

the blind guy was in EVERY issue of the six. And maybe Joey Q designed him to look a bit like Stick, maybe. But no, it was not Stick.

Yeah, I went and looked after I posted that last night, and sure enough, that was the payoff. Wow. No wonder I blocked it out of my mind.

And I just meant that "it's already established in continuity that Stick is the guy Matt saved," not that that's what Father was necessarily trying to do.

does anyone smell the desperation in Mephisto’s use as a character? Seems pretty obvious to this true believer that JMS wanted to use Loki (considering the whole favor dangling out there thang) but editorial said, "Uh, yeah, y’see, we let you do a lot of dumb stuff (see: a certain Ms. Gwen Stacy), but Loki’s kinda’ dead right now (or at least takin’ a long nap) & his appearance here would greatly contradict the current soryline in our (rather tepid) relaunch of that crazy Thunder God Thor, so can ya’ just use this devil guy or something? He’s has all sorts of cool magic trix too, y’know?")

Since JMS is writing their (rather good) relaunch of that crazy Thunder God Thor, probably not, no. Would have been a nice tie-in to the early part of his run, though...

How much better is that Astro City #0 where half the planet is dead and the hangman gives people a chance to forget their loved ones and feel no pain or to suffer from their loss... and they all choose to remember their loved ones. Easily the greatest dealing with death in comic's history.