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Comic Book Cheers and Jeers for 12/21

I know you’ve missed this feature, so here ya go! Here are a bunch of cheers and jeers from me, mostly having to do with this week’s new releases (but not all!)!

There will most likely be some spoilers…otherwise, enjoy!

CHEERS to Matt Wagner, for somehow being able to write a brand-new story about Hunter Rose without it feeling like a rehash (A “take it for granted” cheers for Wagner’s always amazing artwork).

JEERS to the lack (so far) of much of a point to Messiah Complex as a whole. Someone had a great line (I’m paraphrasing, as I don’t recall where I read it) – Endangered Species had a point to it, but nothing really happened in any of the chapters…Messiah Complex has a lot happen in each chapter, but it’s all quite pointless.

“Oh NO! Not CALIBAN!!!!!!! How could you kill CALIBAN?!?!!?”

It seems that the general point is to get the X-Books all set-up for their respective new status quos, which may be good for the book themselves, but it doesn’t make Messiah Complex any better of a read.

CHEERS to DC for having a comic where part of the comic is drawn by Jeremy Haun and another part of it is drawn by David Hahn. Next, Frank Miller and Mark Millar need to write a comic together.

JEERS to DC for not getting a new cover for Batman and the Outsiders #3, instead using the Eric Battle cover that was drawn for an entirely different #3, with the end result being a cover that did not even REMOTELY fit the story in Outsiders #3 (for one, Martian Manhunter is no longer in the comic).

CHEERS to Rex the Wonder Dog’s appearance in this week’s Shadowpact. It was very well handled. Heck, cheers to the whole issue – including Kieron Dwyer’s excellent artwork.

JEERS to the idea of wasting all these worlds (of which DC only has 52) for ridiculous story ideas in Arena – like “the world where Blue Beetle is really a giant bug” or whatever.

CHEERS to Peter Tomasi’ first issue of Green Lantern Corps, which was a strong issue for a book with little plot development (Tomasi even managed to successfully deal with Ice’s return to Guy Gardner in a convincing manner, even though I’d prefer her to just come to outer space with Guy).

JEERS to Arena, also, for having Apollo be considered an alternate version of the RAY!!!

CHEERS to Patrick Zircher’s artwork on Terror, Inc. It continues to impress me a lot.

JEERS to the abrupt ending of the Ra’s Al Ghul storyline in the Batman books. The whole thing seemed like it was just set-up for future plot-lines. That, sadly, seems to be about 75% of all comic crossovers nowadays.

CHEERS to David Tischman for his clever usage of having a character beat death in the latest issue of Star Trek: Year Four.

JEERS to the latest issue of Justice League of America being a promo for some upcoming Tangent mini-series. Meanwhile, Jeers to Red Arrow beating up one of the most powerful Tangent heroes off-panel.

CHEERS to Chuck Dixon’s classic Simpsons style of storytelling in the latest issue of The Simpsons, as Dixon cleverly takes us from one plot to the next, with the first plot unexpectedly setting up the second one. It’s a classic Simpsons episode maneuver, and it worked well in comic form.

JEERS to the whole Psylocke/Cypher “almost sorta kinda” romance.

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That was Mary Kay Letourneau scary.

CHEERS to Kyle Baker for giving us something as outrageous and as beautifully drawn as Special Forces (#2 might have been better than #1, even!).

JEERS to the whole concept of House of M: Avengers. I thought with such a great creative team, it would be something of note – but instead, it’s filling in the blanks on ciphers from a story from two years ago. At least House of M Misty Knight is not being forced to fight Ultimate Misty Knight and the regular Marvel Universe Misty Knight to the death in some stadium.

CHEERS , BIG ones, for the latest issue of Umbrella Academy. Such a great new comic book. I am not familiar with My Chemical Romance, and, to be frank, I am a bit doubtful that being a good songwriter means that you would be a good comic book writer, but damn, can Gerard Way write! It doesn’t hurt that he has Gabriel Bá rocking the comic artistically.

JEERS to the whole “New Earth” thing. It sounds so corny, and it will only sound worse as time goes by.

CHEERS to Greg Rucka for the latest Checkmate issue. The book reads a lot better when he is not ripping on Amanda Waller every issue.

JEERS (slight ones) to the last issue of the Metamorpho mini-series, which ends with Rex watching Sapphire Stagg cuddle with some bo hunk in front of him. How does it follow that Sapphire would do that? It’s not like she didn’t know he was there! So what’s the deal?

CHEERS to Andi Watson’s Glister, for being so continually awesome.

JEERS to the lack of a reveal of Beast being alive in Ultimate X-Men. In the latest issue, he reveals himself to the X-Men who thought he was dead, but if they were surprised to see their fallen comrade alive, we don’t know, because it happened off-panel. Unless they already know he is alive from a previous issue, in which case, the Jeer goes to me!!

CHEERS to John Ostrander for bringing back William Hell in Suicide Squad.

JEERS (tentatively) to Ostrander for the whole “You’re not really Rick Flag!” bit in the latest Suicide Squad issue. I find it hard to believe that this can amount to anything worthwhile (but I do tend to trust Ostrander, so it’s just tentatively jeers now)

CHEERS to Michael Green’s first issue of Superman/Batman. I’ll try to do a full review later.

JEERS to Connor Hawke’s death. You don’t get much more pointless, death-wise, then getting blasted by a laser from the sky. And again, SHOCKINGLY, the storyline appears to not even be going address in the actual pages of Green Arrow/Black Canary.

CHEERS to the Frank Frazetta cover series from Conan. A well done package containing a very nice comic by Cary Nord and Kurt Busiek.

JEERS to Leinil Francis Yu’s art in the latest issue of New Avengers. There were times in the big fight scene where I don’t think Yu even really knew what was going on. He is truly amazing in his capacity to either be really awesome or really…you know, not awesome.

CHEERS to Marvel for a quick printing of corrected versions of X-Men: First Class #6. It took them less than a month to get them out! Good work.

JEERS to Mike Pellowski for doing a funny Betty and Veronica story (the girls get backstage passes to a famous rock band, but discover that the guys are not like their public personas), but one involving, as the rock band, a satire of the Rolling freakin’ Stones (young versions of them, of course)!!! Come on, try to stay a LITTLE current!

CHEERS , though, to Kathleen Webb, in the same issue, pulling out both a cute “Veronica is so rich” story and an interesting study on Betty and Veronica’s friendship, where Betty dwells upon the fact that Veronica is both her best friend AND her worst enemy.

JEERS to Marvel, for replacing Frazer Irving’s awesome cover for this year’s Holiday Special with Ron Lim’s, well, not as awesome cover. LAME!!

That’s it for this installment!

Quick question – do you folks prefer that these things stay mostly about current stuff, or would you like me to sprinkle in more cheers and jeers from the past?

42 Comments

Why the hatred of the 20-year-old Psylocke/Cypher thing? Yes, I agree it deserves jeers, but what made you think of it now? Something to do with Exiles and your urban legend about Doug’s death?

JEERS to Connor Hawke’s death. You don’t get much more pointless, death-wise, then getting blasted by a laser from the sky.

Meh. Pointless characters deserve pointless deaths. Who needs 5 archers in the DC Universe anyway. Green Arrow fits the JLA era role, Red Arrow fits the 20-something original Titans role, Arrowette and Speedy both can fill in the Teen Titans role if needed, Connor was just hopelessly redundant. Throw in the fact that he was one of the most egregious Mary Sues or Pete Characters in the 90s, it was good to have a much of the 2000s dedicated to him getting shot, beaten, stabbed and eventually ignominously blasted from the sky with a laser. Especially in light of Chuck Dixon returning to DC, it was important to kill Connor fast befor Dixon penned a story where he singlehandedly beats Doomsday or Superman Prime.

“Pete Characters” should have been “Pet Characters” in my post.

I couldn’t agree more on the jeers aimed towards the latest Detective and JLA issues. Cheers to me for having the good sense not to follow the horrible Al Ghul crossover into the books I wasn’t already buying, and for dropping McDuffie’s JLA after this issue. (Jeers for hanging on this long).

I can only imagine how disappointed the fans must be who actually bought all seven parts (plus the prologue) to the latest Bat-crossover and were given this conclusion as their reward. Like Nightwing said, those Bat-family reunions are never any fun. Incidentally, did anyone wonder if Dini was talking through the guard who had no idea what was going on, and just wanted to get paid and get out of there?

As far as JLA goes… .seriously, the last arc was just an ad for Salvation Run, and now this is just promoting Tangent? Given that The Blackest Night means that there will be no universal reset button, I’m guessing Final Crisis will result in an infinite multiverse that’s more difficult to access, so if that turns out to be true, Arena and all the other wastage of the current 52 worlds doesn’t bother me.

That was actually Tomasi’s second issue of GLC, btw (his first saw him handle the thoroughly unenviable task of being brought in with little notice to write the Superman-Prime/Sodom Yat battle towards the end of the SCW), and while it seemed to me like there was something a bit off about the dialogue, I have a feeling his next few issues will be a lot better. Finally, why don’t you think Connor’s death will be dealt with in GC/BA? Future solicits indicate it will be, and with more sweet Cliff Chiang art, to boot.

Aw, Cypher/Psylocke?

I was a young boy at the time, and I was fine with it.

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I actually prefer it as Pete Characters.

Is it me or has Ultimate X-men been missing panels for a couple issues now? Its like they keep dropping in mid-story and leaving out the setup. I keep thinking I missed an issue.

I actually prefer it as Pete Characters.

Colossus and Spider-Man are my two favorite Pete Characters.

Sprinkle in some old stuff. Should be fun.

Man, Chris Claremont’s habit of stretching a sentence across two (or more) word balloons drives me nuts.

Brian, thanks for bring back the Cheers n’ Jeers! I missed it tons! I definitely prefer the focus on new things, though a quick flashback to older stuff every now and again doesn’t hurt.

Re: New Avengers — there were several moments in the big fight scene where the dialog barely seemed to fit the art. Poor, poor editing. Also, they still have yet to explain how the Hood got so smart. If you read the BKV mini, he does not strike anyone as a criminal mastermind. Are we to assume that the demon is controlling him and giving him all of these leadership smarts?

Re: Ultimate X-Men — this book has been a mess for over a year now and no one seems interested in fixing it, perhaps because both this title and UFF are rumored to be disappearing around the time of the “Ultimate Origins” event.

Re: Connor Hawke’s death
While the DCU has too big an archer family (who thought THAt was a good idea), Connor’s a million times more interesting than Ollie or Roy, even as a Mary Sue. That’s what makes it sad.

Death Comics is fine as long as the characters dying are ones you don’t like. It is certainly inconceivable a good story would ever be told with that person.

Oh my god, they killed Caliban! You bastards!!!

JEERS to Connor Hawke’s death. You don’t get much more pointless, death-wise, then getting blasted by a laser from the sky.

Wasn’t it just last month that Winick killed the whole Teen Titans East team by having them get blasted by lasers from the sky?

I would say Jeers to the Superwoman-Batwoman world not having the male superheroes in skimpy outfits. I was looking forward to the skimpy male Black Canary and Phantom Man to show just how silly the female costumes in most comics are.

I would also say Jeer to DC as a whole for having 52 universes and all of them seemingly dominated by white people. There aren’t ANY DC universes where non-whites have the cool powers? lame.

YOu could do a cheers & jeers every week as far as I’m concerned. Mix in stuff from the past too. It’s always fun to laugh at the stuff that didn’t stick or praise the bold decisions that did.

“There aren’t ANY DC universes where non-whites have the cool powers?”

There were, until the white people got there and conquered them.

I was looking forward to the skimpy male Black Canary and Phantom Man to show just how silly the female costumes in most comics are.

Take a look at Phantom Man costume again on that double-page spread , and keep in mind that that isn’t solid grey – those areas of the costume are the see-through gauze.

And Black Canary gets the benefit of using the Birds of Prey-era costume, that’s all…

Take a look at Phantom Man costume again on that double-page spread , and keep in mind that that isn’t solid grey – those areas of the costume are the see-through gauze.

I will have to do that. I thought he was just wearing a yellow shirt with a black x on it.

Matt Wagner should get a “horray”!!! first, second, and third for the Grendel mini.

Betcha he’ll get a standing ovation for MAGE 3! ;-)

Meh. Pointless characters deserve pointless deaths.

Yeah, but Connor Hawke’s “Zen archer” premise automatically makes him more interesting than the awful, awful Roy Harper, or the Winick pet character of Speedy.

Re: Apollo as “the alternate Ray”

Yes! Thank you! Is it too reactionary to think that decision was made because the DC editors can’t deal with the fact that the most oft-published Superman analogue is gay?

Anybody got a link to the Frazer Irving cover Brian mentions?

Connor Hawke was a good character that Winnick & Co. didn’t know what to do with. Morrison & Dixon wrote quality Connor Hawke stories, and even Kevin Smith was able to write the character decently.

Even if he is a Mary Sue (and I still don’t think any character who was shown to be as inexperienced, and got his ass kicked quite as often as he did, could be one. Pet charater, sure, but not a Mary Sue) I liked him, and I hope he’ll come back.

CHEERS to DC for having a comic where part of the comic is drawn by Jeremy Haun and another part of it is drawn by David Hahn.

Which comic was that?

I need to read it!

Yeah, but Connor Hawke’s “Zen archer” premise automatically makes him more interesting than the awful, awful Roy Harper, or the Winick pet character of Speedy.

Sorry, but I thought it was just a horrid, horrid cliche. He just came off as David Carradine’s character from Kung Fu combined with Nightwing.

Even if he is a Mary Sue (and I still don’t think any character who was shown to be as inexperienced, and got his ass kicked quite as often as he did, could be one. Pet charater, sure, but not a Mary Sue) I liked him, and I hope he’ll come back.

Come on, when we see Shiva,Batman, Nightwing and Robin practically swooning over how incredible his martial arts are, how Nightwing needs him to pull his fat out of the fire in a fight (establishing yet another nobody as a superior fighter to Nightwing) and Richard Dragon is basically afraid to face him in a martial arts battle (not deathly afraid, but afraid as in he think this guy is going to be some serious competition)…it was just all so ridiculous to me. The guy is trained in an Abbey with no well known martial arts teachers to teach him, at least nobody that the world’s top martial artists have ever heard of, yet he’s up there with Bronze Tiger, Shiva, Dragon and Batman? And his lifetime of sparring and katas makes him a superior real world fighter than the guy who’s had on the job, life or death stakes fighting experience from like 10 years old (Nightwing)?

I just felt Dixon was trying to cram him down readers throats too hard. The best stories I ever read with him where when Smith had him shot and Winick had him battered and bloodied on a constant basis.

Re: New Avengers — there were several moments in the big fight scene where the dialog barely seemed to fit the art. Poor, poor editing. Also, they still have yet to explain how the Hood got so smart. If you read the BKV mini, he does not strike anyone as a criminal mastermind. Are we to assume that the demon is controlling him and giving him all of these leadership smarts?

We are to assume that it’s just how Bendis writes characters, that is to say, he’s prtty loose with past characterization. He did the same thing with Sentry and Echo, why should the Hood be any different?

As for the Hood, I’m just going with the demon thing. It helps explain away everything, really.

It doesn’t make the story any better, but at least it explains away any inconsistencies.

Double JEERS: For aging then killing off Bart Allen for the current crappy Flash and the “Hyper” twins series. Heaven forbid we have three flashes (no one got that letter from Green Lantern stating it can work.

Triple JEERS: For Didio’s hard on for killing all the Young Justice characters (RIP Superboy, Impulse, Lagoon Boy). Hey Wondergirl didn’t you just wrap up your mini this year….well here’s to seeing you dead in ’08

Loud CHEERS: For bringing Sean McKeever to the wonderful world of DC

and a special P.S. JEER: Soooo is that Joker story where he has facial surgery after being shot… you know the one where he is trying to kill Harley and can’t talk still in “canon” or “out of canon” story??

Huh? House of M Avengers is blowing any of the other Avengers titles away. This is what it all should be like: fun, frenetic and a bit of the ol’ 70s swagger back to our heroes – AND NO FREAKIN’ SKRULLS!

I’ll take that anyday over what Bendis is poppin out at NA.

I’m assuming (and hoping) it’s still in-continuity, because that (and Bruce’s use of his inner-city residence in another issue) seems to have been an effort by Morrison to have the comics match up with the forthcoming movie. It was a horrible story, for mine, but it resulted in a cool looking Joker that movie fans will recognise.

Mary Sue and Pete Character should date.

I see the Psylocke/Cypher thing as a glimpse of an alternate reality that probably turned out way better than the one we got.

Which comic was it with the cool Betty and Veronica stories? They publish so many, it could take ages to find the right one.

Messiah Complex doesn’t have a point? I’ll give you Caliban’s bizaare sudden death, but the story is driven by finding out where the child (a possible answer to the mutant population problem) is and why everyone wanted it. Save Madrox’s excursion into the future (which is still running with the population problem story) the series has been pretty focused.

CHEERS, though, to Kathleen Webb…

Kathleen always deserves cheers. She is awesome. I think she’s one of about eight people in American comics who’s determined to do quality kids’ books. It’s a pity she’s trapped in an industry dominated by the Simpsons’ Comic Book Guy, because if she had a chance to really strut her own original stuff in front of a more general audience, she’d be a megastar. Seriously. You should see the samples she brings to shows, my students think she’s a goddess.

I thought Ultimate Beast reappeared two issues ago?!?

Didn’t he? And weren’t the characters surprised? Or did I make that up in my mind?

He showed up a couple of issues ago, but it wasn’t at the X-Mansion, right?

On the Cypher\Psylocke thing…

I say cheers for that because of 3 reasons:

1) Although a little creepy, it was realistic and both of them knew it was a hopeless situation so they never acted on it.

2) At that point in time, both characters where essentially cardboard cutouts with powers and very little definition. The “secret love” angle made them somewhat more interesting (and made New Mutants\X-Men crossovers a little more…lurid.)

3) When I first read those comics I was about the same age as Cypher…and, let’s just say, I was on his side…

-D

Tramadol.

Tramadol. What is the street value for tramadol.

Oh, fuck off.

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