STATUS: False.

Thank Christ!!

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Can't stand his work, and can't stand his attitude.

Dare I say, by the way, that that Hawk and Dove cover by Liefeld looks surprisingly decent? What happened there, was he having a bad day?

It's not just the cover. The interior art for the whole miniseries is good. Strange but true.

I'm not going to honestly claim to know how much of that quality is down to Karl Kesel, but certainly Hawk and Dove put him straight to the top of my list of artists to watch out for and I was horrified the first time I saw Leifeld's Marvel work and found it to be downright ugly.

Superboy - Image
John Henry Irons/Steel - Valiant
the Eradicator - Marvel
the Cyborg (Hank Henshaw) - Dark Horse

I like your theory, but Steel seems a much better fit for Marvel than The Eradicator.

Man, that reply from Liefeld is hilarious!

I almost feel pity for him. Almost.

I can't even get that far. He defends himself like he draws - like a spoiled twelve-year-old playing at being a grownup.

Morrison's hyper crisis that never came to be... he gave a pretty good description of it in an old interview. He described the story as involving a menace that "ate a pivotal portion of the 20th century" causing the time line to go nuts. Superman would go on to try to build a bridge of events through time, etc. Hypertime would end up being explored and watched over by the "Challengers beyond the unknown"... amongst all this was a lot of other stuff that strangely syncs up with a lot of things currently going on in the DCU. Mr. Mind, the challengers showing up in Brave and the Bold, the new Challengers in Countdown, Super "man" Prime punching reality and travelling the multiverse seeking the perfect Earth...

...Morrison also mentioned the Guardians of the Universe becoming the Guardians of the Multiverse. This isn't quite going on, but they are trying to guard the secret of the multiverse right now.

With Morrison writing Final Crisis, and so much of the DCU syncing up with old ideas, could this be Hypercrisis finally coming into form? Or is this just another example of comic book stories syncing up with old ideas, some kind of strange metatextual or jungian event over at DC, happening in a strangely Morrison-story fashion?

I almost feel pity for him. Almost.

Just when I think "Liefeld may have matured somewhat over the years, maybe I shouldn't bash him so much for what he was like a decade and a half ago," he proves me wrong.

how is John Henry Irons a parody of Valiant?

Now, I'm not one to defend Liefeld's art (as it were), but Urban Legend #3 doesn't seem to be too much of a controversial point to me. Inkers frequently "finish" the penciler's art, and making an unusually big deal out of the fact that Kesel added details to many of Liefeld's figures reinforces the false notion that inkers simply "trace" the lines put down by pencilers and does a bit of a disservice to the profession of comics inking.

Granted, the trend today is for inkers to do just that (trace over every line the penciler puts down), which leads to all sorts of delays, since the art is essentially drawn twice, first by the penciler, and then by the inker who has to recreate every line in ink (which in turn leads to "stiffer" looking art,since the lines aren't spontaneously created), as opposed to back in the day when the penciler could quickly lay down roughs and save time by not having to draw details and leave the detailing to the inker. That's how you could have pencilers back then working on 2, 3, or even 4 monthly titles... sometimes, their "pencils" weren't any more detailed than thumbnail sketches.

As a corollary, this is also probably why most people consider Liefeld's art on Hawk & Dove as his best work, despite it being early in his career. Kesel is a great inker and a superlative penciler, so it stands to reason that some of that talent would inevitably shine through in any work he inks, even one of as dubious quality as Liefeld's.

"Seriously, does anyone research or investigate these stories Mr. Cronin or do you just print whatever horsenuts people feed you.

I like Karl Kesel but the idea that he was drawing hands and or feet for me is completely BS. Do you have xeroxes of my pencils that you can substantiate this with? I know for certain that Karl did nothing but re-draw my faces poorly and I'll now go digging for pencils of Hawk and Dove #5 to rebuff this nonsense.

And as for all the "Karl Kesel made Rob so much better", how do they explain the radical career shifts we took after Hawk and Dove. I continued on a successful path, inked my own work, sold millions, revamped titles, shook the comic world to the core and he........inked and wrote comics. Wow I really suffered right.....

The Superboy thing is a big who cares? and outside my control so I don't care.

The X-Force thing is an incident where credit wasn't correctly allotted. A few issues later after I provided detailed layouts for Mike Mignola for an entire issue, I didn't receive the credit as layouts or breakdowns. As Marat said both he and Brian drew over my distinct layouts, therefore I actually did draw a portion of each page and I inked them all as well. Again this is omitted from the article. Another example of a lack of investigating.

Seriously, I'm flattered by the constant attention but do some homework...."

That goes for Stan "The Liar" Lee too.