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	<title>Comments on: Comic Book Cheers and Jeers for 1/9</title>
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		<title>By: Salamurai</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-457512</link>
		<dc:creator>Salamurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan (other Dan) said â€¦

&quot;Any cheers or jeers regarding the recent Hulk vs. Fin Fang Foom comic? I didnâ€™t pick it up because I was already buying enough, and I had the reprint it featured. Peter David wrote it, however, so Iâ€™m tempted to go back. &quot;


I thought it was funny as all heck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan (other Dan) said â€¦</p>
<p>"Any cheers or jeers regarding the recent Hulk vs. Fin Fang Foom comic? I didnâ€™t pick it up because I was already buying enough, and I had the reprint it featured. Peter David wrote it, however, so Iâ€™m tempted to go back. "</p>
<p>I thought it was funny as all heck.</p>
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		<title>By: Apodaca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apodaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I never said we shouldnâ€™t say he wrote a bad comic&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I know. I didn&#039;t think we were having an argument. You asked, I answered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I never said we shouldnâ€™t say he wrote a bad comic</p></blockquote>
<p>I know. I didn't think we were having an argument. You asked, I answered.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Norris</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-453883</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said we shouldn&#039;t say he wrote a bad comic, I was more just asking how long it should be held against him. All this &quot;free pass&quot; business seemed to imply that he was denying *all* responsibility, rather than just spreading it around to all involved.
I once considered Tom deFalco the worst writer I had ever encountered in comics, and if you told me that I would ever come across something of his that I considered anything other than four-color buttwipe, I would have called you a dirty liar. Now, he&#039;s no Moore or Morrison (or even an Englehart or Gerber), but Spider-Girl&#039;s a charming enough little book, and I&#039;ve found myself reading it pretty regularly, somewhat to my surprise.
Now, Arena&#039;s bad, yes, but not nearly as abysmal as deFalco&#039;s earliest Marvel work, and I&#039;d be willing to give the guy another chance, rather than calling for his head for his part in what is, after all, just another bad comic book.
Also, Arena would have worked better, or at least its flaws would have been less evident, with an artist able to draw the different universe&#039;s characters in more distinctive ways, preferably different styles entirely, which brings us back to decisions taken at the editorial level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said we shouldn't say he wrote a bad comic, I was more just asking how long it should be held against him. All this "free pass" business seemed to imply that he was denying *all* responsibility, rather than just spreading it around to all involved.<br />
I once considered Tom deFalco the worst writer I had ever encountered in comics, and if you told me that I would ever come across something of his that I considered anything other than four-color buttwipe, I would have called you a dirty liar. Now, he's no Moore or Morrison (or even an Englehart or Gerber), but Spider-Girl's a charming enough little book, and I've found myself reading it pretty regularly, somewhat to my surprise.<br />
Now, Arena's bad, yes, but not nearly as abysmal as deFalco's earliest Marvel work, and I'd be willing to give the guy another chance, rather than calling for his head for his part in what is, after all, just another bad comic book.<br />
Also, Arena would have worked better, or at least its flaws would have been less evident, with an artist able to draw the different universe's characters in more distinctive ways, preferably different styles entirely, which brings us back to decisions taken at the editorial level.</p>
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		<title>By: Gonger</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-453255</link>
		<dc:creator>Gonger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red Hulk irks me more than Lady Loki, but maybe I&#039;m a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red Hulk irks me more than Lady Loki, but maybe I'm a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: DanCJ</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-452329</link>
		<dc:creator>DanCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What were they?
I always had my eye on him as I was a big fan of his Swamp Thing run (I still talk to the other three occasionally).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Personally I&#039;d stick his Swamp Thing run at the top of that list - but obviously you wouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What were they?<br />
I always had my eye on him as I was a big fan of his Swamp Thing run (I still talk to the other three occasionally).</p></blockquote>
<p>Personally I'd stick his Swamp Thing run at the top of that list - but obviously you wouldn't.</p>
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		<title>By: jazzbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazzbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this seems like as good a place as any to mention this, but did anyone see this weeks&#039; Comic Shop News? There&#039;s a talk with Dan Didio that&#039;s basically a 2007 recap, and to his credit he admits DC made some mistakes, and even says that if people think they&#039;re too focused on death lately then they (DC) hasn&#039;t been doing their job properly. 

But what I found really funny is that in talking about Final Crisis, he says it won&#039;t be a &quot;mega-event&quot; with a bunch of spinoffs and crossovers and plots spreading throughout the DCU, and then mentions that in the middle of the 7 issue series there will be a one month break with a series of related specials, and there will be two supporting mini-series. One at 5 issues and one at 6. So the 7 issue mini-series with no spinoffs will entail a minimum of 20 issues total. I love that in the warped world of comics today, somehow that is considered self-contained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this seems like as good a place as any to mention this, but did anyone see this weeks' Comic Shop News? There's a talk with Dan Didio that's basically a 2007 recap, and to his credit he admits DC made some mistakes, and even says that if people think they're too focused on death lately then they (DC) hasn't been doing their job properly. </p>
<p>But what I found really funny is that in talking about Final Crisis, he says it won't be a "mega-event" with a bunch of spinoffs and crossovers and plots spreading throughout the DCU, and then mentions that in the middle of the 7 issue series there will be a one month break with a series of related specials, and there will be two supporting mini-series. One at 5 issues and one at 6. So the 7 issue mini-series with no spinoffs will entail a minimum of 20 issues total. I love that in the warped world of comics today, somehow that is considered self-contained.</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-451348</link>
		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan got it, Jack.

If Champagne takes the money for Arena and WWIII, then his name will be associated with the books in the minds of people who brought and didn&#039;t like them, and rightly so - he did write it.
I feel sorry for him as, to my knowledge, he is a new writer trying to get in, and DC has a lot of editorially driven stories going on, and so it gets him paying work and an &#039;in&#039; at the office, which I would believe he hopes will lead to a better gig -  but if his name gets associated with putting out dreck in the meantime, well that&#039;s just how it goes, because he did.
I mean if a writer had an editorially driven story and they made it work (52 perhaps could work as an example), do we give them a pass and say &#039;yeah you wrote it, but it was editorially driven so they get all the cred&#039;.

I should point out that I haven&#039;t read Arena, WWIII or 52 - you couldn&#039;t pay me to go near the first two and only a vague interest in the latter (basically because everyone&#039;s like &#039;they pulled it off&#039; or &#039;it&#039;s better than you expected&#039;. I was expecting a fan-wank train wreck, so being better than that isn&#039;t saying much.)

&lt;blockquote&gt;When he started at Marvel, Brian K. Vaughan had a similar record of writing bad assignments that came out bad. And now heâ€™s awesome! &lt;/blockquote&gt;

What were they?
I always had my eye on him as I was a big fan of his Swamp Thing run (I still talk to the other three occasionally). 
Actually, I think I may prefer it to some of his later stuff - Y: The Last Man started slowing right down early on, but by the time they&#039;d gotten to Australia it was at a standstill and the plots were getting too outrageous, and nothing actually seems to happen in Ex Machina - it&#039;s just a collection of political musings and factoids not taken to any form of conclusion, just talked about for five issues to get to a good last line (including the one where the way his powers worked were changed for it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan got it, Jack.</p>
<p>If Champagne takes the money for Arena and WWIII, then his name will be associated with the books in the minds of people who brought and didn't like them, and rightly so - he did write it.<br />
I feel sorry for him as, to my knowledge, he is a new writer trying to get in, and DC has a lot of editorially driven stories going on, and so it gets him paying work and an 'in' at the office, which I would believe he hopes will lead to a better gig -  but if his name gets associated with putting out dreck in the meantime, well that's just how it goes, because he did.<br />
I mean if a writer had an editorially driven story and they made it work (52 perhaps could work as an example), do we give them a pass and say 'yeah you wrote it, but it was editorially driven so they get all the cred'.</p>
<p>I should point out that I haven't read Arena, WWIII or 52 - you couldn't pay me to go near the first two and only a vague interest in the latter (basically because everyone's like 'they pulled it off' or 'it's better than you expected'. I was expecting a fan-wank train wreck, so being better than that isn't saying much.)</p>
<blockquote><p>When he started at Marvel, Brian K. Vaughan had a similar record of writing bad assignments that came out bad. And now heâ€™s awesome! </p></blockquote>
<p>What were they?<br />
I always had my eye on him as I was a big fan of his Swamp Thing run (I still talk to the other three occasionally).<br />
Actually, I think I may prefer it to some of his later stuff - Y: The Last Man started slowing right down early on, but by the time they'd gotten to Australia it was at a standstill and the plots were getting too outrageous, and nothing actually seems to happen in Ex Machina - it's just a collection of political musings and factoids not taken to any form of conclusion, just talked about for five issues to get to a good last line (including the one where the way his powers worked were changed for it).</p>
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		<title>By: Apodaca</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-451107</link>
		<dc:creator>Apodaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Free pass&quot; in the sense that he&#039;s somehow not responsible for the book he wrote. I agree with Funky that he should take whatever licks the book merits, since he&#039;s taking the benefits.

Is it really so terrible to say that Keith Champagne is writing a bad comic book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Free pass" in the sense that he's somehow not responsible for the book he wrote. I agree with Funky that he should take whatever licks the book merits, since he's taking the benefits.</p>
<p>Is it really so terrible to say that Keith Champagne is writing a bad comic book?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Norris</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-451080</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Nah, he shouldnâ€™t get a free pass even if it was an uphill battle from the get go.
He took the project, he took the money, and his nameâ€™s on the book - itâ€™s not like it was all changed behind his back, so I donâ€™t see why he should get a pass.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Free pass in what sense, though? Does that even mean anything? How is anyone lobbying for this undefined &quot;free pass&quot;? Sure, you can&#039;t say &quot;this comic is fine because it&#039;s not the writer&#039;s fault&quot;, but on the other hand, saying &quot;I&#039;m never giving anything he writes another chance because he was involved in this sh***y thing once&quot; is clearly not, well, non-dickish, shall we say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nah, he shouldnâ€™t get a free pass even if it was an uphill battle from the get go.<br />
He took the project, he took the money, and his nameâ€™s on the book - itâ€™s not like it was all changed behind his back, so I donâ€™t see why he should get a pass.</p></blockquote>
<p>Free pass in what sense, though? Does that even mean anything? How is anyone lobbying for this undefined "free pass"? Sure, you can't say "this comic is fine because it's not the writer's fault", but on the other hand, saying "I'm never giving anything he writes another chance because he was involved in this sh***y thing once" is clearly not, well, non-dickish, shall we say.</p>
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		<title>By: Franks_Castle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franks_Castle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just what is Loeb&#039;s deal?  Cheap thrills by offing a major character in every one of his books?  Give it a rest, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just what is Loeb's deal?  Cheap thrills by offing a major character in every one of his books?  Give it a rest, man.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, red-Rickey. It was not my intent to offend. I guess I did not see it as poor form, as I thought that knocking an opinion was basically the same as knocking a comic book.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sorry, red-Rickey. It was not my intent to offend. I guess I did not see it as poor form, as I thought that knocking an opinion was basically the same as knocking a comic book.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Funky, I think it&#039;s on Champagne in the sense that he wrote a crappy comic. That&#039;s gonna be on his list of comics written - &quot;Champagne wrote the bad WWIII and the bad Arena.&quot;

But I just don&#039;t think that&#039;s a sign of how good of a writer he is.

When he started at Marvel, Brian K. Vaughan had a similar record of writing bad assignments that came out bad. And now he&#039;s awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Funky, I think it's on Champagne in the sense that he wrote a crappy comic. That's gonna be on his list of comics written - "Champagne wrote the bad WWIII and the bad Arena."</p>
<p>But I just don't think that's a sign of how good of a writer he is.</p>
<p>When he started at Marvel, Brian K. Vaughan had a similar record of writing bad assignments that came out bad. And now he's awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;JEERS to the fact that Neron and Felix Faust are both back in the game so soon after Ralph Dibney gave up his life in 52 to trap them both â€œfor good.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Odd thing to do after a very successful series that was meant to be very important for their universe.
Why not just create a new character?
If you need them to be as powerful, and want to explain why they&#039;d never been heard of before, you just write a line about how there was a power vacuum or some such.

But why are so many villains and characters being recycled by the &#039;big&#039; two?
Is it editorial just wanting to reuse characters so hopefully they can be licensed or some such, or are creators just over creating new heroes/villains if they don&#039;t own them? 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I will not blame Champagne for Arena, because it was just an awful project to begin with, &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nah, he shouldn&#039;t get a free pass even if it was an uphill battle from the get go.
He took the project, he took the money, and his name&#039;s on the book - it&#039;s not like it was all changed behind his back, so I don&#039;t see why he should get a pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>JEERS to the fact that Neron and Felix Faust are both back in the game so soon after Ralph Dibney gave up his life in 52 to trap them both â€œfor good.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>Odd thing to do after a very successful series that was meant to be very important for their universe.<br />
Why not just create a new character?<br />
If you need them to be as powerful, and want to explain why they'd never been heard of before, you just write a line about how there was a power vacuum or some such.</p>
<p>But why are so many villains and characters being recycled by the 'big' two?<br />
Is it editorial just wanting to reuse characters so hopefully they can be licensed or some such, or are creators just over creating new heroes/villains if they don't own them? </p>
<blockquote><p>I will not blame Champagne for Arena, because it was just an awful project to begin with, </p></blockquote>
<p>Nah, he shouldn't get a free pass even if it was an uphill battle from the get go.<br />
He took the project, he took the money, and his name's on the book - it's not like it was all changed behind his back, so I don't see why he should get a pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Cayman</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-450898</link>
		<dc:creator>Cayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeers to jeering Lady Loki. She&#039;s hot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeers to jeering Lady Loki. She's hot.</p>
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		<title>By: LordBuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>LordBuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeers to saying Gail Simone has a very unique voice, you can&#039;t quantify unique.

Other than that, love the coloumn, keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeers to saying Gail Simone has a very unique voice, you can't quantify unique.</p>
<p>Other than that, love the coloumn, keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: red-Ricky</title>
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		<dc:creator>red-Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oopps, I meant child abuse. I must&#039;ve had an Identity Crisis flashback.

My bad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oopps, I meant child abuse. I must've had an Identity Crisis flashback.</p>
<p>My bad!</p>
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		<title>By: red-Ricky</title>
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		<dc:creator>red-Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;JEERS to the whole â€œBatman is acting out of character!â€ argument. When a dude is clearly being mind-controlled, I really donâ€™t think thereâ€™s much of an argument for any of their actions being â€œout of character,â€ even if they do something as unsettling as having Batman smack Robin.&lt;/b&gt;

Wow, you are not going to let this go, are you?  And worst of all, we get a &lt;i&gt;&quot;JEER&quot;&lt;/i&gt; for having a difference of opinion!?!?!?

That hurts!

That really, really hurts!!!

Anyways, is not that Batman was acting out of character; the argument was/is that the scene was in poor taste for what I feel is a kids book.  And make no mistake about it, dedicating 2 to 3 pages to Beast Boy playing Little Nemo and making bad puns qualifies the book in my mind &quot;as kid friendly&quot;.

As for Batman, the argument can be made the Batcave scene, and the delivery boy scene, and Jewel Thief beat down drove the point that he was acting out of character.  Beating the tears out of Robin was just overkill.  But you know, I guess it&#039;s a matter of opinion.  I for one, like my comics with more subtlety and less rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>JEERS to the whole â€œBatman is acting out of character!â€ argument. When a dude is clearly being mind-controlled, I really donâ€™t think thereâ€™s much of an argument for any of their actions being â€œout of character,â€ even if they do something as unsettling as having Batman smack Robin.</b></p>
<p>Wow, you are not going to let this go, are you?  And worst of all, we get a <i>"JEER"</i> for having a difference of opinion!?!?!?</p>
<p>That hurts!</p>
<p>That really, really hurts!!!</p>
<p>Anyways, is not that Batman was acting out of character; the argument was/is that the scene was in poor taste for what I feel is a kids book.  And make no mistake about it, dedicating 2 to 3 pages to Beast Boy playing Little Nemo and making bad puns qualifies the book in my mind "as kid friendly".</p>
<p>As for Batman, the argument can be made the Batcave scene, and the delivery boy scene, and Jewel Thief beat down drove the point that he was acting out of character.  Beating the tears out of Robin was just overkill.  But you know, I guess it's a matter of opinion.  I for one, like my comics with more subtlety and less rape.</p>
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		<title>By: M Bloom</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-450768</link>
		<dc:creator>M Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ongoing destruction of Earth-51 in Countdown is really disappointing. I can&#039;t see anyone really missing the very dull Earth-15, but Earth-51&#039;s &quot;happy ending&quot; nature really had a lot of potential and it&#039;s a pity to see it get blown up just for a fight between a bunch of characters nobody cares about and one hopelessly ruined superhero.

As for the JLA Classified thing, you don&#039;t read that book looking for good continuity. You&#039;re lucky if you get a JLA line-up that actually existed at any point in the book&#039;s history, much less minor details like Lois and Linda knowing their future husbands&#039; secret identities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ongoing destruction of Earth-51 in Countdown is really disappointing. I can't see anyone really missing the very dull Earth-15, but Earth-51's "happy ending" nature really had a lot of potential and it's a pity to see it get blown up just for a fight between a bunch of characters nobody cares about and one hopelessly ruined superhero.</p>
<p>As for the JLA Classified thing, you don't read that book looking for good continuity. You're lucky if you get a JLA line-up that actually existed at any point in the book's history, much less minor details like Lois and Linda knowing their future husbands' secret identities.</p>
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		<title>By: suedenim</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-450655</link>
		<dc:creator>suedenim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s at least one instance of Marvel Loki taking female form before, from the ridiculously comprehensive source for this sort of thing:

http://www.tgfa.org/comics/other/other9.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's at least one instance of Marvel Loki taking female form before, from the ridiculously comprehensive source for this sort of thing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tgfa.org/comics/other/other9.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tgfa.org/comics/other/other9.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scavenger</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/09/comic-book-cheers-and-jeers-for-19/comment-page-1/#comment-450499</link>
		<dc:creator>Scavenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it was a different Doctor who saved Stormwatch, and given how crapily they were killed off, I&#039;m glad for the bitterness.  Cheers to Stormwatch not having to job to the Authority in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it was a different Doctor who saved Stormwatch, and given how crapily they were killed off, I'm glad for the bitterness.  Cheers to Stormwatch not having to job to the Authority in it.</p>
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