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		<title>By: Valtrex.</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/13/offered-without-comment/comment-page-2/#comment-557401</link>
		<dc:creator>Valtrex.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Dosage for valtrex. Valtrex. Valtrex and pregnancy. Order valtrex online.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC&#039;s best move is to stay out of the fight. So long as it&#039;s perceived as a &quot;fangirls vs. Playboy&quot; thing, they&#039;ll gain huge amounts of free publicity for any Wonder Woman-related projects they might have (like their JLA movie) with no downside. If they sue, they will be perceived as siding with the fangirls against Playboy, and will lose some fans. It would be incredibly dumb of them to get involved in this brouhaha, which begs the question: &quot;Why haven&#039;t they done so already?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC's best move is to stay out of the fight. So long as it's perceived as a "fangirls vs. Playboy" thing, they'll gain huge amounts of free publicity for any Wonder Woman-related projects they might have (like their JLA movie) with no downside. If they sue, they will be perceived as siding with the fangirls against Playboy, and will lose some fans. It would be incredibly dumb of them to get involved in this brouhaha, which begs the question: "Why haven't they done so already?"</p>
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		<title>By: jccalhoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>jccalhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Down in the corner it does say &quot;as wonder woman.&quot;  However, it does not say &quot;as wonder womanâ„¢&quot; and there is no way that DC would allow someone to use Wonder Woman and not insist that it appeared as Wonder Womanâ„¢ therefore Playboy is gambling that DC won&#039;t take legal action and if they do they will a)take the publicity and b)settle out of court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Down in the corner it does say "as wonder woman."  However, it does not say "as wonder womanâ„¢" and there is no way that DC would allow someone to use Wonder Woman and not insist that it appeared as Wonder Womanâ„¢ therefore Playboy is gambling that DC won't take legal action and if they do they will a)take the publicity and b)settle out of court.</p>
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		<title>By: DanCJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops - Cocked up the qoute</description>
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		<title>By: DanCJ</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/13/offered-without-comment/comment-page-2/#comment-468328</link>
		<dc:creator>DanCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I come in through the CBR main page, where only the title is given.

So, yes. &lt;blockquote&gt;
And I come in through the RSS feed so yes again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I come in through the CBR main page, where only the title is given.</p>
<p>So, yes.<br />
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And I come in through the RSS feed so yes again.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A pre- or early-adolescent girl will engage in non-sexual gushing. She&#039;ll gush on a safe and playful adult in their environment, declare him her boyfriend, to which he&#039;ll respond by trying to feed her her own foot while taunting her that she has no friends. It&#039;s a time of freedom and simple pleasure, and the Lynda Carter Wonder Woman became a potent archetypal figure for this period of life for her fans.

Then this fan grows up and can&#039;t help wondering if she&#039;s been living a lie, and if she&#039;s the last person to realize this, because -- among the sexist crap and the ornamental idealization taken to a degree men are kidding themselves if they think they are even remotely subject to -- she sees her own notion of this archetype publicly humiliated, portrayed stroking her own exposed crotch. She can&#039;t think of her own childhood without wondering if everyone was thinking she was some sexualized monstrosity and no one told her.

The woman who &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; give in to the ornamental idealization may see it for what it is. But in an American comics-based community, where men have no reservation against saying they can&#039;t even comprehend its controversy, &lt;em&gt;she only has her own word in this environment that anything wrong has taken place.&lt;/em&gt; She should be pissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pre- or early-adolescent girl will engage in non-sexual gushing. She'll gush on a safe and playful adult in their environment, declare him her boyfriend, to which he'll respond by trying to feed her her own foot while taunting her that she has no friends. It's a time of freedom and simple pleasure, and the Lynda Carter Wonder Woman became a potent archetypal figure for this period of life for her fans.</p>
<p>Then this fan grows up and can't help wondering if she's been living a lie, and if she's the last person to realize this, because -- among the sexist crap and the ornamental idealization taken to a degree men are kidding themselves if they think they are even remotely subject to -- she sees her own notion of this archetype publicly humiliated, portrayed stroking her own exposed crotch. She can't think of her own childhood without wondering if everyone was thinking she was some sexualized monstrosity and no one told her.</p>
<p>The woman who <em>doesn't</em> give in to the ornamental idealization may see it for what it is. But in an American comics-based community, where men have no reservation against saying they can't even comprehend its controversy, <em>she only has her own word in this environment that anything wrong has taken place.</em> She should be pissed.</p>
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		<title>By: MacQuarrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacQuarrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, there is no &quot;fair use&quot; provision for trademarks. That&#039;s copyright, and it doesn&#039;t apply here, since copyright only protects individual works of art, not broad concepts. Since DC does not publish photos of women in painted-on costumes, and can&#039;t produce a piece of art from which this photo is copied, there&#039;s no copyright infringement. Since no trademarks are used in an infringing way, there&#039;s no trademark infringement. Since both Warner and Playboy know that the other has a really strong and healthy legal department, they each know that a lawsuit will be ridiculously expensive and pointless. And since Playboy most likely isn&#039;t planning to pull this on a regular basis, and the worst DC can do is send a &quot;Cease &amp; Desist&quot; letter, the whole thing is moot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, there is no "fair use" provision for trademarks. That's copyright, and it doesn't apply here, since copyright only protects individual works of art, not broad concepts. Since DC does not publish photos of women in painted-on costumes, and can't produce a piece of art from which this photo is copied, there's no copyright infringement. Since no trademarks are used in an infringing way, there's no trademark infringement. Since both Warner and Playboy know that the other has a really strong and healthy legal department, they each know that a lawsuit will be ridiculously expensive and pointless. And since Playboy most likely isn't planning to pull this on a regular basis, and the worst DC can do is send a "Cease &amp; Desist" letter, the whole thing is moot.</p>
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		<title>By: MacQuarrie</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/13/offered-without-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-466328</link>
		<dc:creator>MacQuarrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of the words &quot;wonder Woman&quot; in the lower left does not constitute trademark infringement. Trademarks are marks that indicate the source or manufacturer of a product, and as such, infringement is not defined merely by use, but by the purpose and context in which it is used. 

If Playboy had put &quot;Wonder Woman&quot; in distinctive lettering across the top of the cover, in order to confuse the buying public into believing that this was an official Wonder Woman themed issue of Playboy, or that Playboy publishes Wonder Woman, or that there is some sort of endorsement or relationship between the two companies in order for Playboy to benefit from Wonder Woman&#039;s popularity, that would be infringement.

The reason they wouldn&#039;t let Sufjan Stevens use Superman on his album cover is that he showed the &quot;S&quot; logo. And he probably asked for permission. I&#039;m certain Playboy didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of the words "wonder Woman" in the lower left does not constitute trademark infringement. Trademarks are marks that indicate the source or manufacturer of a product, and as such, infringement is not defined merely by use, but by the purpose and context in which it is used. </p>
<p>If Playboy had put "Wonder Woman" in distinctive lettering across the top of the cover, in order to confuse the buying public into believing that this was an official Wonder Woman themed issue of Playboy, or that Playboy publishes Wonder Woman, or that there is some sort of endorsement or relationship between the two companies in order for Playboy to benefit from Wonder Woman's popularity, that would be infringement.</p>
<p>The reason they wouldn't let Sufjan Stevens use Superman on his album cover is that he showed the "S" logo. And he probably asked for permission. I'm certain Playboy didn't.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I might be more outraged...if the cover didn&#039;t feature someone who was the first &quot;firing&quot; from &lt;b&gt;Celebrity Apprentice&lt;/b&gt;.

Let the flaming begin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I might be more outraged...if the cover didn't feature someone who was the first "firing" from <b>Celebrity Apprentice</b>.</p>
<p>Let the flaming begin!</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alejandro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, in my mind Wonder Woman is always hotter than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, in my mind Wonder Woman is always hotter than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Alejandro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alejandro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen worse* stuff in comics themselves.

*Not that there&#039;s anything bad about this photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've seen worse* stuff in comics themselves.</p>
<p>*Not that there's anything bad about this photo.</p>
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		<title>By: Apodaca</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/01/13/offered-without-comment/comment-page-1/#comment-464936</link>
		<dc:creator>Apodaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I donâ€™t think thereâ€™s a â€œproblemâ€ at all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s really up for debate. You have people complaining, so that means there&#039;s a problem.

It&#039;s just not obvious who&#039;s got the problem, the complainers or complainees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I donâ€™t think thereâ€™s a â€œproblemâ€ at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don't think that's really up for debate. You have people complaining, so that means there's a problem.</p>
<p>It's just not obvious who's got the problem, the complainers or complainees.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a &quot;problem&quot; at all. But the Playboy photo surely does make more obvious the absurdity of most female superheroes&#039; costumes. If they were really out there fighting all the time, Wonder Woman and Black Canary would have some tights covering their legs, and they wouldn&#039;t be showing cleavage either.  And don&#039;t get me started on Power Girl and all the other characters with titty windows in their outfits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think there's a "problem" at all. But the Playboy photo surely does make more obvious the absurdity of most female superheroes' costumes. If they were really out there fighting all the time, Wonder Woman and Black Canary would have some tights covering their legs, and they wouldn't be showing cleavage either.  And don't get me started on Power Girl and all the other characters with titty windows in their outfits.</p>
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		<title>By: Apodaca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apodaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem here is not that Wonder Woman is being used as a template for titillation, but rather that a character with roots in bondage and fetishism was appropriated as a symbol of feminism.

And we can all blame Ms. magazine for that, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem here is not that Wonder Woman is being used as a template for titillation, but rather that a character with roots in bondage and fetishism was appropriated as a symbol of feminism.</p>
<p>And we can all blame Ms. magazine for that, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: davidwynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidwynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what&#039;s funny? I keep reading about how &quot;controversial&quot; this is, and how outraged people are.

Except that every single feminist blogger I&#039;ve read on the subject- and I read a few- has made it clear that they really don&#039;t care very much about this (Valerie D&#039;Orazio for example- http://occasionalsuperheroine.blogspot.com/2008/01/wonder-woman-amazon-superhero-playmate.html)

Yeah, it&#039;s Playboy. We all know about Playboy. Is there something interesting we can talk about instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what's funny? I keep reading about how "controversial" this is, and how outraged people are.</p>
<p>Except that every single feminist blogger I've read on the subject- and I read a few- has made it clear that they really don't care very much about this (Valerie D'Orazio for example- <a href="http://occasionalsuperheroine.blogspot.com/2008/01/wonder-woman-amazon-superhero-playmate.html)" rel="nofollow">http://occasionalsuperheroine.blogspot.com/2008/01/wonder-woman-amazon-superhero-playmate.html)</a></p>
<p>Yeah, it's Playboy. We all know about Playboy. Is there something interesting we can talk about instead?</p>
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		<title>By: will_butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>will_butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Kevin Smith shoot a pictorial of his wife for Playboy in which she costarred with a dude in a Superman costume?  I&#039;m pretty sure it falls under fair use.  And the bloggers getting pissed off over comparisons to Linda Carter must be sad, empty people.

Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn't Kevin Smith shoot a pictorial of his wife for Playboy in which she costarred with a dude in a Superman costume?  I'm pretty sure it falls under fair use.  And the bloggers getting pissed off over comparisons to Linda Carter must be sad, empty people.</p>
<p>Will</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My problem with this is it presents Wonder Woman as a sex object&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are shitting me, right?

Have you seen how she&#039;s been drawn in the last 20 odd years of comics?
Have you seen her costume?
She&#039;s a cheesecake icon - always has been, always will be.
Her whole ambassador from another world thingy jig story, where she&#039;s smart and kind and can handle herself, is straight out of a Russ Myer or Roger Corman type film.
Enjoy her comics and character all you want, but she&#039;s cheesecake, and always will be.
And thus fair game for Playboy - at least they&#039;ll actually show her topless in the mag, instead of covering just the nipple with a hair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My problem with this is it presents Wonder Woman as a sex object</p></blockquote>
<p>You are shitting me, right?</p>
<p>Have you seen how she's been drawn in the last 20 odd years of comics?<br />
Have you seen her costume?<br />
She's a cheesecake icon - always has been, always will be.<br />
Her whole ambassador from another world thingy jig story, where she's smart and kind and can handle herself, is straight out of a Russ Myer or Roger Corman type film.<br />
Enjoy her comics and character all you want, but she's cheesecake, and always will be.<br />
And thus fair game for Playboy - at least they'll actually show her topless in the mag, instead of covering just the nipple with a hair.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t DC the same company that said they would never want Charisma Carpenter as Wonder Woman because she posed for Playboy?  I doubt that they signed off on this for that reason alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn't DC the same company that said they would never want Charisma Carpenter as Wonder Woman because she posed for Playboy?  I doubt that they signed off on this for that reason alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Burgas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Burgas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Matt.  I wasn&#039;t thinking about coming to the post that way.  I hope your boss wasn&#039;t looking over your shoulder!</description>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My problem with this is it presents Wonder Woman as a sex object&quot;

brains aren&#039;t photogenic.</description>
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<p>brains aren't photogenic.</p>
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