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John Seavey’s Storytelling Engines: World’s Finest

Tuesday, January 15th, 2008 at 10:10 AM EST

Updated: Tuesday, January 15th, 2008 at 10:10 AM EST

Here’s the latest Storytelling Engine from John Seavey. Click here to read John’s description of what a Storytelling Engine IS, anyways. Check out more of them at his blog, Fraggmented.

Storytelling Engines: World’s Finest

(or “Oh, Look–Batman’s Got Super-Powers Again!”)

These days, it’s rather unromantically known as ‘Superman/Batman’, but ‘World’s Finest’ has been around for a long while in one form or another; for some reason, the pairing off of Batman and Superman to fight crime together is one of the most archetypal pairings in comic book history, right up there with Green Arrow and Green Lantern, the Hulk fighting the Thing, and Wonder Man and the Beast. (Yes, it is. Yes it is! Look, just shush, you! They make an awesome team!)

When making a storytelling engine for a series that takes two well-known and popular heroes and combines them, it should come as no surprise that the resulting storytelling engine is simply a mix of the two series’ engines. But it’s illuminating to note exactly what elements come up as predominant in a Batman/Superman mix. Obviously, the characters remain exactly the same. Batman is always going to be Batman, and Superman is always going to be Superman (with the caveat that this is a pre-Frank Miller Batman, and as such has not yet developed the intense disdain for all other super-heroes that characterizes his interaction with the DC universe of the last two decades.) They both have a fairly similar outlook on fighting crime (again, this was back in the day when the death of Batman’s parents was a reason for him to fight crime, not a constant obsession that moved him to violent rage), and hence, a similar motivation and purpose.

The primary difference shows up in the setting, and the supporting cast. While Batman does of course get Robin, the most common supporting character in ‘World’s Finest’ is Lois Lane, intrepid reporter for the Daily Planet. Commissioner Gordon barely gets a mention every few issues or so, and then only when Superman is asking him to turn on the Bat-Signal, but Lois is in practically every story. Why? Because Lois fulfills so many valuable plot functions in a single character. Her role as a reporter can help get the main characters involved in stories, her insatiable curiousity adds plot complications, and she’s also valuable as that old stand-by for adventure stories, the potential victim for the hero to rescue.

The villains, too, seem to be mostly borrowed from Superman’s setting, although this is to an extent misleading; these stories were published in the mid-to-late 1950s, before editor Julius Schwartz refined the focus on Batman’s setting, when Batman would frequently time-travel and fight aliens just as often as Superman would. (For that matter, this was also a period when Superman would frequently fight normal thugs and gangsters, albeit ones armed with hefty chunks of Kryptonite.) Certainly, though, by a modern fan’s standards, these stories seem to involve Batman fighting Superman’s villains, rather than the other way around.

Why might this be? Primarily, it’s because Batman’s villains pose less of a challenge to Superman than vice versa; unless he’s got Kryptonite to even the odds, the Riddler isn’t exactly going to terrify the Man of Steel. But Batman has the reverse problem, or so it would seem; if someone can go toe to toe with Superman, then how can Batman help?

The answer is that Superman rarely defeats his enemies through simple brute force, simply because he’s got so much of it that any fight is over quickly. Instead, Superman’s villains tend to be seemingly invincible, but have an Achilles’ heel that he can discover through deduction, and that’s an area where Batman can fit in very organically. In most of the ‘World’s Finest’ stories, you’ll spot a moment where Batman is busy thinking while Superman averts disasters caused by the villain, and comes up with a hidden weakness that Superman can then exploit. (In one of the stories, Batman is bedridden with a broken leg, and still manages to solve the case by analyzing clues that Superman and Robin return to him.)

This isn’t to say that Batman fits flawlessly into these settings; in several stories, they decide to give him temporary super-powers so that he and Superman can fight super-powered foes (and each other; you can tell it’s the Mort Weisinger era of Superman by the way that certain story ideas are returned to every couple of years. Weisinger, a long-time Superman editor, believed strongly that certain stories sold very well, and that on average, the entire readership of comics turned over completely every two years; hence, every two years, he felt free to repeat a good idea for a story to get the sales boost. So every two years, Batman got super-powers, and he and Superman either switched identities or fought each other.) But he does fit surprisingly well into a world of aliens, time-travel, mad scientists, and futuristic technology. In fact, Batman is a much more flexible character than he seems; his world of crime noir, pseudo-realistic technology and villains, and gritty street drama might suit him well, but he’s the kind of archetypal character that you can place into unusual situations and still understand how he’ll react.

In other words, Batman is always Batman, even when he is in ancient Egypt. It’s something worth remembering, not just for when Batman is teaming up with Superman to fight giant energy sponges, but when he’s in his own series.

12 Comments

Yes! Wonder Man and Beast is still one of my favorite team ups of all time! Glad to know I’m not the only one who appreciates them.

Heh, now I’m just picturing Superman vs. The Riddler. Quickest fight ever.

No, the quickest fight ever would be Magneto vs. Iron Man.

Calling it Superman-Batman is rather souless and anti-fun. But one of the few positive things to come out of current DC is with this title to finally at least start to move away from having the two as enemies. Which is something else the over hyped and over rated DKR gave us. Bad enough Miller made Batman into a two dimensional asshat but he just had to drag Superman down into being some buffoonish editorial cartoon.

I really enjoy seeing them work together because the simple fact is both of these guys are heroes and they are intelligent. They wouldn’t be enemies because they’re smarter than that. They’re better than that. Sure there would be friction at first and that IS fun to play. Superman only knows Batman as this vigilante, Batman only knows Superman as this mangod the Daily Planet uses to sell papers and then they meet face to face to much drama. But past that having them as enemies is just cheap-heat for fans to have “My Dad can beat up your Dad!” style debates about who would win. Which is really what most hero vs. hero feuds are and why they’re one comics cliche that deserves a friggin rest.

Does this mean I think Superman-Batman is a great title, not exactly. I think more than any of Loeb’s other works it has often suffered from his “give the artist as many characters to draw as possible” approach. I mean hey, I like seeing Ed McGuiness draw DC characters as much as anybody but you don’t need em all in the same story.

That’s an interesting take, and doubtless true for the early issues; but I think the balance flip-flopped over the years. When I was reading the book in the early-to-mid-70s, it felt more like a Batman book, to me.

I think it was a matter of tone, more than anything. The mood of WORLD’S FINEST was dark, mystical, even gothic—Deadman was a semi-regular guest star—and shadowy, noir-ish art from the underrated Dick Dillin. Some of the *ideas* were pure Superman—the Super-Sons concept has “Imaginary Story” written all over it, for instance—but the execution was (relatively) down-to-earth—much more in line with the Batman stories of the day. The stories had ironic twists that would have been alien in a Superman story.

Put it this way: In his own book, Superman was always more of a “daytime” superhero; but in the Bob Haney/Dick Dillin WORLD’S FINEST, he seemed like an uncomfortable tourist in a creepy night-time world.

I’m actually glad they call it Superman/Batman. I consider a true World’s Finest tale to be an adventure of Superman, Batman and ROBIN. Without Robin, it’s just Superman/Batman.

T said it right. World’s Finest almost always had Robin, and featured “daytime” Batman, who taught classes at the police academy, got keys to cities and went on dates for charities.

And, it should be noted, I like “daytime” Batman. I’m surprised at how well the character works, as someone who really didn’t become a DC fan until after the Crisis, and never saw anything other than Frank Miller-inspired takes on the character. I’d always bought into the received wisdom that “daytime Batman” is silly and unrealistic, and reading the Showcase Presents stuff has really changed my mind on that.

(Still don’t like the Adam West take on the character, though. The TV series always gets on my nerves.)

With your comment on the greatness of the Wonder Man/Beast team-up I was ready to finally admit that you like all the same stuff as I do. But then you say you don’t like the Adam West Batman. Glad to know you’re not somehow stealing my thoughts, though.

And for some reason, I’m reminded of one of those one panel joke “What Ifs?” that used to fill in the back of some issues. Usually the joke was pretty much just the title itself, and the one I was thinking of was “What if Wonder Man was a Woman and Power Man was a Girl?” And the picture was covered up for legal reasons.

Sorry, that was totally unrelated.

this book is also the reason ’spider-man/wolverine: world’s most kick-ass’ by mark millar is only a matter of time

“Why might this be? Primarily, it’s because Batman’s villains pose less of a challenge to Superman than vice versa; unless he’s got Kryptonite to even the odds, the Riddler isn’t exactly going to terrify the Man of Steel. But Batman has the reverse problem, or so it would seem; if someone can go toe to toe with Superman, then how can Batman help?”

To me, most of the World’s Finest stories seemed to be really forced, struggling for ways to make Batman useful (usually by making excuses for him to use his “deductive skills”)…at least once we were past the age where Batman was fighting aliens and gaining super powers. I think this is one of the reasons that World’s Finest became a Superman team-up book during the 70’s (similar to how Brave and the Bold was a Batman team-up book).

Mostly I think there should be more stories with the Composite Superman. I’m looking at you, Grant Morrison.

I, for one, would love to see a Superman / Riddler issue. I think it would be thrilling to see Superman have to use his network of supporting cast and contacts to solve the riddles in time.

Theno

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