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	<title>Comments on: John Seavey&#8217;s Storytelling Engines: World&#8217;s Finest</title>
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		<title>By: Thenodrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thenodrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, would love to see a Superman / Riddler issue. I think it would be thrilling to see Superman have to use his network of supporting cast and contacts to solve the riddles in time.

Theno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, would love to see a Superman / Riddler issue. I think it would be thrilling to see Superman have to use his network of supporting cast and contacts to solve the riddles in time.</p>
<p>Theno</p>
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		<title>By: buttler</title>
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		<dc:creator>buttler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mostly I think there should be more stories with the Composite Superman.  I&#039;m looking at you, Grant Morrison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mostly I think there should be more stories with the Composite Superman.  I&#8217;m looking at you, Grant Morrison.</p>
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		<title>By: HellRazor</title>
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		<dc:creator>HellRazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why might this be? Primarily, itâ€™s because Batmanâ€™s villains pose less of a challenge to Superman than vice versa; unless heâ€™s got Kryptonite to even the odds, the Riddler isnâ€™t exactly going to terrify the Man of Steel. But Batman has the reverse problem, or so it would seem; if someone can go toe to toe with Superman, then how can Batman help?&quot;

To me, most of the World&#039;s Finest stories seemed to be really forced, struggling for ways to make Batman useful (usually by making excuses for him to use his &quot;deductive skills&quot;)...at least once we were past the age where Batman was fighting aliens and gaining super powers.  I think this is one of the reasons that World&#039;s Finest became a Superman team-up book during the 70&#039;s (similar to how Brave and the Bold was a Batman team-up book).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why might this be? Primarily, itâ€™s because Batmanâ€™s villains pose less of a challenge to Superman than vice versa; unless heâ€™s got Kryptonite to even the odds, the Riddler isnâ€™t exactly going to terrify the Man of Steel. But Batman has the reverse problem, or so it would seem; if someone can go toe to toe with Superman, then how can Batman help?&#8221;</p>
<p>To me, most of the World&#8217;s Finest stories seemed to be really forced, struggling for ways to make Batman useful (usually by making excuses for him to use his &#8220;deductive skills&#8221;)&#8230;at least once we were past the age where Batman was fighting aliens and gaining super powers.  I think this is one of the reasons that World&#8217;s Finest became a Superman team-up book during the 70&#8242;s (similar to how Brave and the Bold was a Batman team-up book).</p>
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		<title>By: fanboy d</title>
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		<dc:creator>fanboy d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this book is also the reason &#039;spider-man/wolverine: world&#039;s most kick-ass&#039; by mark millar is only a matter of time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this book is also the reason &#8216;spider-man/wolverine: world&#8217;s most kick-ass&#8217; by mark millar is only a matter of time</p>
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		<title>By: jazzbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazzbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With your comment on the greatness of the Wonder Man/Beast team-up I was ready to finally admit that you like all the same stuff as I do. But then you say you don&#039;t like the Adam West Batman. Glad to know you&#039;re not somehow stealing my thoughts, though.

And for some reason, I&#039;m reminded of one of those one panel joke &quot;What Ifs?&quot; that used to fill in the back of some issues. Usually the joke was pretty much just the title itself, and the one I was thinking of was &quot;What if Wonder Man was a Woman and Power Man was a Girl?&quot; And the picture was covered up for legal reasons. 

Sorry, that was totally unrelated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With your comment on the greatness of the Wonder Man/Beast team-up I was ready to finally admit that you like all the same stuff as I do. But then you say you don&#8217;t like the Adam West Batman. Glad to know you&#8217;re not somehow stealing my thoughts, though.</p>
<p>And for some reason, I&#8217;m reminded of one of those one panel joke &#8220;What Ifs?&#8221; that used to fill in the back of some issues. Usually the joke was pretty much just the title itself, and the one I was thinking of was &#8220;What if Wonder Man was a Woman and Power Man was a Girl?&#8221; And the picture was covered up for legal reasons. </p>
<p>Sorry, that was totally unrelated.</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, it should be noted, I like &quot;daytime&quot; Batman. I&#039;m surprised at how well the character works, as someone who really didn&#039;t become a DC fan until after the Crisis, and never saw anything other than Frank Miller-inspired takes on the character. I&#039;d always bought into the received wisdom that &quot;daytime Batman&quot; is silly and unrealistic, and reading the Showcase Presents stuff has really changed my mind on that.

(Still don&#039;t like the Adam West take on the character, though. The TV series always gets on my nerves.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, it should be noted, I like &#8220;daytime&#8221; Batman. I&#8217;m surprised at how well the character works, as someone who really didn&#8217;t become a DC fan until after the Crisis, and never saw anything other than Frank Miller-inspired takes on the character. I&#8217;d always bought into the received wisdom that &#8220;daytime Batman&#8221; is silly and unrealistic, and reading the Showcase Presents stuff has really changed my mind on that.</p>
<p>(Still don&#8217;t like the Adam West take on the character, though. The TV series always gets on my nerves.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Mutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T said it right. World&#039;s Finest almost always had Robin, and featured &quot;daytime&quot; Batman, who taught classes at the police academy, got keys to cities and went on dates for charities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T said it right. World&#8217;s Finest almost always had Robin, and featured &#8220;daytime&#8221; Batman, who taught classes at the police academy, got keys to cities and went on dates for charities.</p>
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		<title>By: T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually glad they call it Superman/Batman.  I consider a true World&#039;s Finest tale to be an adventure of Superman, Batman and ROBIN.  Without Robin, it&#039;s just Superman/Batman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually glad they call it Superman/Batman.  I consider a true World&#8217;s Finest tale to be an adventure of Superman, Batman and ROBIN.  Without Robin, it&#8217;s just Superman/Batman.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Fear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Fear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thatâ€™s an interesting take, and doubtless true for the early issues; but I think the balance flip-flopped over the years. When I was reading the book in the early-to-mid-70s, it felt more like a Batman book, to me. 

I think it was a matter of tone, more than anything. The mood of WORLDâ€™S FINEST was dark, mystical, even gothicâ€”Deadman was a semi-regular guest starâ€”and shadowy, noir-ish art from the underrated Dick Dillin. Some of the *ideas* were pure Supermanâ€”the Super-Sons concept has â€œImaginary Storyâ€ written all over it, for instanceâ€”but the execution was (relatively) down-to-earthâ€”much more in line with the Batman stories of the day. The stories had ironic twists that would have been alien in a Superman story.

Put it this way:  In his own book, Superman was always more of a â€œdaytimeâ€ superhero; but in the Bob Haney/Dick Dillin WORLDâ€™S FINEST, he seemed like an uncomfortable tourist in a creepy night-time world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thatâ€™s an interesting take, and doubtless true for the early issues; but I think the balance flip-flopped over the years. When I was reading the book in the early-to-mid-70s, it felt more like a Batman book, to me. </p>
<p>I think it was a matter of tone, more than anything. The mood of WORLDâ€™S FINEST was dark, mystical, even gothicâ€”Deadman was a semi-regular guest starâ€”and shadowy, noir-ish art from the underrated Dick Dillin. Some of the *ideas* were pure Supermanâ€”the Super-Sons concept has â€œImaginary Storyâ€ written all over it, for instanceâ€”but the execution was (relatively) down-to-earthâ€”much more in line with the Batman stories of the day. The stories had ironic twists that would have been alien in a Superman story.</p>
<p>Put it this way:  In his own book, Superman was always more of a â€œdaytimeâ€ superhero; but in the Bob Haney/Dick Dillin WORLDâ€™S FINEST, he seemed like an uncomfortable tourist in a creepy night-time world.</p>
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		<title>By: Daiyongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daiyongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling it Superman-Batman is rather souless and anti-fun. But one of the few positive things to come out of current DC is with this title to finally at least start to move away from having the two as enemies. Which is something else the over hyped and over rated DKR gave us. Bad enough Miller made Batman into a two dimensional asshat but he just had to drag Superman down into being some buffoonish editorial cartoon. 

I really enjoy seeing them work together because the simple fact is both of these guys are heroes and they are intelligent. They wouldn&#039;t be enemies because they&#039;re smarter than that. They&#039;re better than that. Sure there would be friction at first and that IS fun to play. Superman only knows Batman as this vigilante, Batman only knows Superman as this mangod the Daily Planet uses to sell papers and then they meet face to face to much drama. But past that having them as enemies is just cheap-heat for fans to have &quot;My Dad can beat up your Dad!&quot; style debates about who would win. Which is really what most hero vs. hero feuds are and why they&#039;re one comics cliche that deserves a friggin rest.

Does this mean I think Superman-Batman is a great title, not exactly. I think more than any of Loeb&#039;s other works it has often suffered from his &quot;give the artist as many characters to draw as possible&quot; approach. I mean hey, I like seeing Ed McGuiness draw DC characters as much as anybody but you don&#039;t need em all in the same story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling it Superman-Batman is rather souless and anti-fun. But one of the few positive things to come out of current DC is with this title to finally at least start to move away from having the two as enemies. Which is something else the over hyped and over rated DKR gave us. Bad enough Miller made Batman into a two dimensional asshat but he just had to drag Superman down into being some buffoonish editorial cartoon. </p>
<p>I really enjoy seeing them work together because the simple fact is both of these guys are heroes and they are intelligent. They wouldn&#8217;t be enemies because they&#8217;re smarter than that. They&#8217;re better than that. Sure there would be friction at first and that IS fun to play. Superman only knows Batman as this vigilante, Batman only knows Superman as this mangod the Daily Planet uses to sell papers and then they meet face to face to much drama. But past that having them as enemies is just cheap-heat for fans to have &#8220;My Dad can beat up your Dad!&#8221; style debates about who would win. Which is really what most hero vs. hero feuds are and why they&#8217;re one comics cliche that deserves a friggin rest.</p>
<p>Does this mean I think Superman-Batman is a great title, not exactly. I think more than any of Loeb&#8217;s other works it has often suffered from his &#8220;give the artist as many characters to draw as possible&#8221; approach. I mean hey, I like seeing Ed McGuiness draw DC characters as much as anybody but you don&#8217;t need em all in the same story.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the quickest fight ever would be Magneto vs. Iron Man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the quickest fight ever would be Magneto vs. Iron Man.</p>
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		<title>By: Elijah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elijah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! Wonder Man and Beast is still one of my favorite team ups of all time! Glad to know I&#039;m not the only one who appreciates them.

Heh, now I&#039;m just picturing Superman vs. The Riddler. Quickest fight ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! Wonder Man and Beast is still one of my favorite team ups of all time! Glad to know I&#8217;m not the only one who appreciates them.</p>
<p>Heh, now I&#8217;m just picturing Superman vs. The Riddler. Quickest fight ever.</p>
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