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Comic Book Cheers and Jeers for 1/17

Here are some cheers and jeers, mostly for the comics that I’ve read so far this week (I still have a bunch more to read, including Umbrella Academy, which looks awwwwesome)!

There will most likely be some spoilers…otherwise, enjoy!

CHEERS to the cute “bullet through the goggles” bit in Booster Gold #6

JEERS to Maxwell Lord being a big supervillain. Seriously, such a dumb idea. I hated it when Gerry Jones did it, and I hated it when Johnuckanick did it (haven’t used that baby in awhile ;)).

CHEERS to seeing Jon Bogdanove getting some work (I was all set to correct my spelling when it turned out that I spelled it correctly on my first shot! Woo-hoo!) for DC.

JEERS to Predator-X. Seriously, what a weird idea, with an even weirder name.

CHEERS to Sword! It is so good to see a nice book from the Luna Brothers again! I’m totally cool with all the graphic violence – just so long as there’s some soul backing it up, and this book has some in spades. I especially loved how the lead character is honestly broken up over being accused of killing her family.

JEERS, ever so slightly, to how similar Luna Brothers faces are. I mean, if you give them something to go on, they seem to be able to draw a variety of faces – but when it’s on their own, it seems like they’ve got one or two fallback looks. Not that uncommon, of course, but still, worth a slight jeer, I think!

CHEERS to Ron Frenz’ facial work in Spider-Girl. It is really impressive – really evocative stuff – I especially loved the look on the assassin’s face early in the issue, and the smile on baby Ben when May was leaving for school.

JEERS to Mindworm. Not knocking his usage – just jeering him period. He weirds me out.

CHEERS, BIG TIME, to the artwork of Bing Cansino and Geirrod Van Dyke on Spawn #174. Holy hellspawn, was that some nice artwork! It was painted, but it flowed extremely well!

JEERS to the stereotypical yoots who attacked the new Witchblade in the latest issue of Witchblade. I sincerely hope they are all part of a plan by the guy that she met right before they attacked (you know, hire some guys to attack them, so they can bond together).

CHEERS to the latest issue of Checkmate. Again, Rucka is better when he doesn’t have to worry about sticking it to Waller every issue. A great issue, with excellent artwork by Chris Samnee, and if Rucka leaves this book when his deal with DC runs out, Trautmann seems capable of following Rucka’s footsteps.

JEERS, belated ones, to Rucka for having Montoya rip on Bullock in the latest issue of the Question. I still remember how irked I was when Montoya was all, “I can’t tell Harvey I’m gay.” LAME!! Then again, I should be nicer – it has got to be a bit annoying for Rucka to spend a lot of time (with Brubaker’s assistance) writing Bullock out of the comic completely, only to have him Superboy punched right back in.

CHEERS to Rucka adding the great Mike Barr character, the Bad Samaritan, to Checkmate, as the new White Bishop (going along with the Russian White Queen). And having Rocket Red being the White Knight was cute, and the whole differences between the Samaritan (who is from Georgia) taking issue with the White Queen and Rocket Red (who are Russian) was wonderfully handled.

JEERS to Rucka for killing the coolest Rocket Red of them all for basically no good reason. That death might actually have galled me more than Beetle’s, because at least there was SOME point to Beetle’s death (as cheap and as clumsy as it was).

CHEERS to the New Gods countdown special. Three Jack Kirby New Gods comics for $5 is a good deal, I say!! And a great Sook cover!

JEERS to making Catwoman tie in with Salvation Run. And double jeers for taking Deadshot out of the Suicide Squad to put him on the Salvation Run planet. And triple jeers for the concept of Salvation Run, period!

CHEERS to Bill Willingham for disassociating himself from Salvation Run quickly.

JEERS to Dan Slott for killing Spider-Man in the latest issue of Amazing Spider-Man.

What?

The issue ends with Spider-Man looking like he’s going to die! That will probably happen, right?

Just like how Booster Gold ended by saying Ted Kord is here to stay!

Right?

CHEERS to the latest issue of Marvel Adventures: Spider-Man by Fred Van Lente. High-larious.

Venom decides he wants to be Spider-Man’s sidekick – it all leads to a pretty darn funny punchline.

JEERS to me for being so mean with that Blue Beetle joke.

CHEERS to the debut issue of New Exiles, for making a nice step forward for the series.

JEERS to the same issue, for having WAY too much old continuity. What’s the point of having a #1 issue if so many plots from the past series (plus OTHER series) are going to be so important? This was not a great “jumping on point” for new readers, which is too bad, because there are enough intriguing new characters that Chris Claremont could have spent a lot more time developing all the NEW ideas he has introduced (by making the team almost entirely new), rather than go back to OLD plots (especially Diana Fox, from New Excalibur).

CHEERS to Tom Grummett’s art on the issue, though!

JEERS to the third straight Exiles story arc under Claremont that uses the Fantastic Four.

CHEERS to the “furry” discussion in the latest issue of Shadowpact. Funny stuff.

JEERS to the New Warriors, which consists of a bunch of established characters, but most of them neither look NOR ACT like the characters they are. What the heck is the point of using Beak and Angel if they do not LOOK like Beak and Angel and do not ACT like Beak and Angel. What the heck!??

And what’s up with Jubilee going on about how “this is the first time I’ve felt like I had a family, unlike when I was with the X-Men.” Like my pal Ben said when I mentioned the scene – “Foooooooorced.”

CHEERS to Macon Blair for a really good back-up story in the latest Avengers Classic (with nice Nick Dragotta artwork), where he has Rick Jones try to apply the lessons Cap has taught him to the dating world – with some interesting consequences.

JEERS to the Authority not having their own title. The longer they don’t have their own title, the more often they’re going to be used to make other characters look good, like in the latest Wildstorm: Revelations.

CHEERS, though, in general, to Wildstorm: Revelations so far. It has made me hate Nemesis a LITTLE bit less. And it has great Wes Craig artwork! Is he related to the fellow who draws the Ash/Freddy/Jason comic?

JEERS to the ending of the latest issue of Steve Niles’ Strange Cases. Could someone fill me in as to what was the point of ending on the scientist lady watching the dude kill all the Wendigos? I mean, I get that it was trying on her to see all that death in front of her eyes – but it still didn’t seem all that clear why you’d end the book there. But I’m sure there’s a fine reason why! Someone fill me in!

CHEERS to Steve Niles’ Strange Cases as a whole, though! Each issue has been very enjoyable so far. Well done by writer Dan Wickline and artist David Hartman. I liked the first two issues better, though, as they had endings that made sense to me.

JEERS to Flash’s kids. I’m sorry, Mr. Waid. I don’t mind Wally being married. I don’t mind him having kids, even. But the whole Incredibles riff, while a cute concept, just isn’t working for me.

CHEERSto the latest issue of Fallen Angel. Very strong issue by Peter David, and I especially loved Dolf’s role in the comic.

JEERS to Joyce Chin’s artwork in the latest Marvel Comics Presents.

CHEERS to Merrill Hagen’s story in the latest issue of Marvel Comics Presents.

That’s it so far!

Maybe I’ll come back later, when I finish the rest of the books!

41 Comments

I should point out to the geographically disinclined that “Georgia” refers to the former Soviet satellite state, and not to the 4th US state.

Cheers to ASM’s opening page kiss … I thought this issue was better than last week’s …

I really want to like Waid’s latest Flash run, but the kids are killing it for me. It’s going to get better, right?

Relatedly, you’ve never lived until you’ve seen otherwise-intelligent Harvard students boggle at a professor with a thick Russian accent talk about growing up in Georgia.

Am I the only one who’s enjoying Salvation Run and all its permutations? It’s fun! And I liked seeing Selina having to deal with it. Sure, she doesn’t *want* to deal with it, but that’s part of the fun, and when you put on a cat costume, you have to deal with hairballs on occasion… or something….

Incidentally, I suspect Deadshot is a plant, still working for Waller. And of course there are agendas at work we don’t know about yet.

(I was also thinking Deadshot’s apparently-stupid use of a “cell phone” thousands of light years from Earth really wasn’t that stupid, and that it’s really a high-tech comlink to Waller. OTOH, if *that* is true, then Lex Luthor, who’s not an idiot, would know this by looking at it. And if he knows and doesn’t say anything, what does that mean?)

I trust that you are referring to Dmitri as the greatest Rocket Red.

*sniff*

I LIKED Dmitri, darn it!

Self promotion alert: I agree totally about Angel and Beak, and I put a visual graphic to go along with it in my review. “New Warriors” has been pretty close to great so far, and it’s falling so fast now.

What’s Bogdanove doing?

Yay! The return of my favorite CSBG feature!

I thought you were mad at the Luna bros. for looking alike. It was a very confusing minute.

I completely agree about New Warriors. New Warriors started great, if a little goofy. But once the first arc ended and the identities of the heroes were revealed the whole thing fell apart. I mean, didn’t Angel use to be BLACK rather than “vaguely ethnic”!? Its a damn shame, because the first few issues actually got me pretty excited. Just like The Loners. Can’t ANYONE write a team book starring fun Marvel B-listers without it falling apart by issue 6? Those are the only books I can muster interest in at this point anyways.

Where does anyone get the idea that New Warriors just suddenly started getting characters wrong in the last few months? The first issue featured a Sofia and Beak who acted in no way, shape, or form like Sofia or Beak.

You know what’s funny? When I read Fabian Niciez’s New Warriors #1 way back in the 80s, I had the exact same jeer!! None of the established characters acted like they used to, with no explanation. Seriously, look at Speedball’s solo run, and look at how radically the character changes from that last issue to the first issue of New Warriors #1 a few months later. So I guess in that way, this new series is actually kind of loyal to the first series. (mind you, this isn’t a bash of nicieza’s run, which i adored. it’s just an observation i had about characterization)

It’s a good point, T, which I think I’ve actually noted in the past (I forget what piece, in particular, but I know I noted that fans were mad at Nicieza for changing the personalities of the Warriors, and fans were made at Gerber when he brought back the Guardians of the Galaxy – and all the fans had to base the Guardians’ personalities on was that one issue by Arnold Drake! And yet they STILL were pissed at Gerber for changing their personalities!).

Dimitri blowed up back in IC. Did he die again?

As for the Authority…good! Something I’m loving about Authortiy Prime is that Stormwatch hasn’t had to job to them. They’re ridiculously overpowered, and as characters, don’t play well with other’s in the WildStorm U.

“I’m Grifter..I’m a fighting bad ass with some big guns.”

“Oh yeah, well, I’m Midnighter..I’m a Batman riff with cyber enhancements that make me superstrong and able to predict every move you make!”

“Hi, I’m Mister Majestic..I’m the most powerful hero around. Alan Moore wrote an incredible story about how I’ll be one of the last beings left alive at the end of time.”

“Please to meet you. I’m Apollo. Warren Ellis wrote me to be more powerfuller than you are. That’s what I do. Be more powerfuller.”

Ok, I’m done :D

FunkyGreenJerusalem

January 17, 2008 at 4:22 pm

Then again, I should be nicer – it has got to be a bit annoying for Rucka to spend a lot of time (with Brubaker’s assistance) writing Bullock out of the comic completely, only to have him Superboy punched right back in.

Sod’em.

They pissed all over a great character, I’ve no problem with them having it all reversed.
He’s like Foggy Nelson – it may be easier to write them as ineffective goof’s/sobs, but man are they more interesting when they are completely competent, if ‘uncool’ characters.

And what’s up with Jubilee going on about how “this is the first time I’ve felt like I had a family, unlike when I was with the X-Men.” Like my pal Ben said when I mentioned the scene – “Foooooooorced.”

Maybe it’s part of the deal with Mephisto, so all those issues we own where she used to talk about how being with the x-men (or Generation X) is like being with a family (and I can think of a couple where that was the entire point to the issue), we should read it as ‘Being with the X-men is kinda like being with a family, but it still leaves me unfulfilled’, and when she left the team, they aren’t sad tears, but tears of joy!

Sod’em.

They pissed all over a great character, I’ve no problem with them having it all reversed.
He’s like Foggy Nelson – it may be easier to write them as ineffective goof’s/sobs, but man are they more interesting when they are completely competent, if ‘uncool’ character

Yeah, I definitely am pleased they went in a completely opposite direction from Rucka’s take on Bullock, as I thought it was awful, but at the same time, just noting that it’s gotta be pretty rough to write a character again after all the work you did on the character has been ignored (and it has to be ignored for Bullock to be a cop now, because after what Rucka and Brubaker did to him, there’s no way he could be a cop again).

Two things about Bullock:

1. I hope Rucka is now forced to use him in every single title he writes from now on, up to and including a backup strip in Checkmate. Maybe he’ll eventually be forced to realize what a bad decision he made. (Hey, it’s possible…even Bendis was able to be convinced that his plan to kill the Kingpin was a bad one)

2. I don’t know if anyone remembers, but when James Robinson brought Bullock back in “Face to Face”, he also added (for no apparent reason) a back story about him taking mob bribes. So if Rucka ever runs out of other bad traits to attribute to Bullock, he can always explore that.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

January 17, 2008 at 4:46 pm

Well I think the lesson is ‘don’t make another character look bad to make your pet look good’.

Bullock was a great counterpart to Batman. He’s one of the few good cops, and yet he’s a slob and not a friendly guy, yet he knows the difference between good and bad.

My own theory on how to get Bullock back in the books, was that when the cops needed something done which they couldn’t get done, Gordon gives Bullock a call – like if the police aren’t allowed to go near a witness, but need him under watch or something.
Or have him as a cold case detective or something.

The one thing that irked me, even more than having him kill a man and losing his badge, is that in the final arc he was in of GCPD, he was basically wrong the entire time.
He got everything wrong, and then had to be stopped by the other cops from making another mistake.
They didn’t just write him out, they character assassinated him.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

January 17, 2008 at 4:48 pm

And I say this as someone who doesn’t follow Bullock from book to book or anything – he’s just a solid character, with lots of potential in many different stories.
(And so much more interesting than Montoya, who’s Hispanic, gay, a woman etc).

1. I hope Rucka is now forced to use him in every single title he writes from now on, up to and including a backup strip in Checkmate. Maybe he’ll eventually be forced to realize what a bad decision he made. (Hey, it’s possible…even Bendis was able to be convinced that his plan to kill the Kingpin was a bad one)

HARVEY BULLOCK 100 PAGE ALL NEW WEEKLY SUPER SPECTACULAR FEATURING HARVEY BULLOCK!

I like it. :)

Oh yeah, Funky, I agree that Bullock was totally ruined by Rucka (and, to a lesser extent, Brubaker), for seemingly no good reason.

I am just noting that, from a creator’s standpoint, I sympathize with Rucka.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

January 17, 2008 at 5:30 pm

I am just noting that, from a creator’s standpoint, I sympathize with Rucka

I do and don’t at the same time.

If the changes to Harvey were from editorial (wasn’t DC meant to get darker so IC could make it lighter at one point?), and he didn’t want to, then yeah, it’s gotta be annoying.
If it was his idea, then I hope it’s a lesson to all writers about trashing a character in a franchise, for the sake of one or two story lines, or because you personally don’t like them.
If you don’t like them, put them on the bus (as Christopher Priest says).

My thing is that Rucka, like all creators, is perfectly aware that his ideas can very likely be changed as soon as he leaves the company.

That is understood by pretty much every comic creator.

What is odd about this is that his ideas were reversed while he was still AT DC!

That’s gotta be really irritating.

I wish you could remember that post Brian, I’d love to read it. Be great if we could compile a list of abrupt, inexplicable personality change. I can think of two more abrupt personality changes offhand, both with New Warriors ironically enough. After Nicieza left the book, Evan Skolnick was writing and had Justice as a real standoffish dick. Then the book was cancelled and Busiek had him characterized as a total tool over in the Avengers.

T, I don’t mind changing the characterization much if its for the better (I think the first two issues was for the interesting if not for the better, but that quickly ended). The ridiculousness is that they changed Angel Salvadore’s ethnicity. Judging by the latest issue, she’s apparently white with a slight tan now. It’d probably be offensive if it wasn’t so goofy and confusing.

Brian said:
“My thing is that Rucka, like all creators, is perfectly aware that his ideas can very likely be changed as soon as he leaves the company.

That is understood by pretty much every comic creator.

What is odd about this is that his ideas were reversed while he was still AT DC!

That’s gotta be really irritating.”

I wonder if his not re-upping his exclusivity with DC has him on the outs with them? Just like Joe Q. went back and pissed all over Grant Morrison’s comics right after he left Marvel and went back to DC…

I think it’d be hilarious if Giffen suddenly rose to power in DC, and he forced Johns, Winick, and Rucka to write Maxwell Lord as a good guy again. (Comparatively good, anyway)

I love what Waid’s been doing on The Flash this time around. The kids are adorable (and, you know, I think the presence of a speedster named Dash in The Incredibles kinda negates any accusations of plagiarism), and it’s pretty much exactly the sort of charming all-ages book the blogosphere keeps saying it wants.

It’s also the only comic that my traditionally non-comics-reading girlfriend reads every month, which hopefully says something about its broader appeal.

sounds like i need to take a look at The Flash…

Has it ever been explained how Bullock went from being a Bishop in Checkmate to being a schlub detective in Gotham?

He actually went from a Gotham detective to Bishop in Checkmate (a previous, more domestic law-enforcement oriented version) and *back* to a Gotham detective.

yoots

This word is new to me. Is it an analogue for “thugs”?

“Yoots” was used in the movie “My Cousin Vinny” as the way Joe Pesci mispronounced “youths.”

Trust me, it would be funny if you saw the movie.

“Johnuckanick”? “Johnucka” I get, but who’s the “nick” there?

But agreed on Maxwell Lord (and glad I’m not the lone voice in the wilderness on this.) DC has actually gotten pretty good about addressing some of the less-fun moves they’ve made from IDENTITY CRISIS on without necessarily putting things back just as they were- Ralph and Sue are gone, but they’re together, Ted died, but everyone misses him and respects his memory, Batgirl’s not really evil, etc. But the “so, Max Lord was with Checkmate all along? What the?” memo seems to have gotten lost.

Countdown to Infinite Crisis was co-written by Geoff Johns, Greg Rucka and Judd Winick

They’re a scarier three-headed beast than Cereberus.

[…] The other day, in Cheers and Jeers, I noted how I was quite confused by the ending of Strange Cases #3. It really just seemed to trail off rather than have a solid “this is why we are ending here” moment, I thought. […]

I prefer Johnuckanickio to include the overseer Dan Didio AKA the Double D.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

January 20, 2008 at 10:04 pm

I think it’d be hilarious if Giffen suddenly rose to power in DC, and he forced Johns, Winick, and Rucka to write Maxwell Lord as a good guy again. (Comparatively good, anyway)

Except in a pre-52 interview, when asked about it, Giffen said that Lord was always ‘evil’, and he was fine with them doing it.
(I don’t think he meant he’d always intended him to be villain evil, but that Lord was just an evil person, and him being a villain wasn’t out of the blue).

“JEERS to Rucka for killing the coolest Rocket Red of them all for basically no good reason.”
This is what puzzles me – how were the JLI supposed to take out 3 OMAC’S with half the team down?

“JEERS to Maxwell Lord being a big supervillain. Seriously, such a dumb idea. I hated it when Gerry Jones did it.”
Which issue did this happen in?

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