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	<title>Comments on: They Wouldn&#039;t Really Kill J&#039;onn, Right?</title>
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		<title>By: Greg Geren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Geren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt that J&#039;Onn will die in Infinite Crisis, and even if he does, he&#039;ll be back soon.  Probably shortly after Dan Didio finds something else to do (That&#039;s when the dead will really rise at DC).

No matter, the better point is this- that&#039;s an impressive effort by Michael Netzer- give that man a regular series!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt that J'Onn will die in Infinite Crisis, and even if he does, he'll be back soon.  Probably shortly after Dan Didio finds something else to do (That's when the dead will really rise at DC).</p>
<p>No matter, the better point is this- that's an impressive effort by Michael Netzer- give that man a regular series!</p>
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		<title>By: suedenim</title>
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		<dc:creator>suedenim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now, if only he could go back to his original appearanceâ€¦&quot;

I suspect that&#039;s why they&#039;re killing him (if, indeed, they are) - not for the appearance per se, but because their latest take on the character went over like a lead balloon, and they want to bring him back later in a more &quot;classic&quot; mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Now, if only he could go back to his original appearanceâ€¦"</p>
<p>I suspect that's why they're killing him (if, indeed, they are) - not for the appearance per se, but because their latest take on the character went over like a lead balloon, and they want to bring him back later in a more "classic" mode.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Netzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Netzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, that truly is an awesome Kelly story. Gotta admire a writer&#039;s courage to turn over every dark corner of a character&#039;s soul and reveal something new underneath that seems to have always been a part of him. Nice doctoring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, that truly is an awesome Kelly story. Gotta admire a writer's courage to turn over every dark corner of a character's soul and reveal something new underneath that seems to have always been a part of him. Nice doctoring.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, along with deadbeat dad Plas and the horrible Justice League Elite story, actually seems like another reason Kelly&#039;s run blew chunks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, along with deadbeat dad Plas and the horrible Justice League Elite story, actually seems like another reason Kelly's run blew chunks.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Griswold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Griswold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and you&#039;re all wrong: The father of the Silver Age is Slapstick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and you're all wrong: The father of the Silver Age is Slapstick.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Griswold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Griswold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another reason Joe Kelly&#039;s JLA is run is superior: Great use of Martian Manhunter. J&#039;oon&#039;s attempts to rid himself of his little fire problem lead him to seek help from the supervillainess scorch, and the two of them fall in love and actually have a home together, complete with barbecue in the backyard. Unfortunately, losing the fire weakness unleashes what it was holding back, a bestial Martian lurking in J&#039;onn&#039;s DNA. 

It was pretty awesome. Trust me on this: I&#039;m a doctor of awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another reason Joe Kelly's JLA is run is superior: Great use of Martian Manhunter. J'oon's attempts to rid himself of his little fire problem lead him to seek help from the supervillainess scorch, and the two of them fall in love and actually have a home together, complete with barbecue in the backyard. Unfortunately, losing the fire weakness unleashes what it was holding back, a bestial Martian lurking in J'onn's DNA. </p>
<p>It was pretty awesome. Trust me on this: I'm a doctor of awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Rook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Rook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re gonna take a cue from the death of Dixie on &quot;All My Children&quot; last year, and have him eat poisoned Oreos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They're gonna take a cue from the death of Dixie on "All My Children" last year, and have him eat poisoned Oreos.</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mad Monkey said:

&quot;Jâ€™onn is widely recognized by comic book professionals, industry â€œinsidersâ€, and fans alike as being the father of the Silver Age.&quot;

Except, of course, for the ones that don&#039;t, like Craig Shutt, author of &#039;Baby Boomer Comics&#039; and contributor to CBG, who lays out a wonderfully compelling case as to why MM is not the father of the Silver Age.

For my money, having read the issues involved, he&#039;s clearly not; he&#039;s just another &quot;weird detective&quot; character, one of many that were popular at the time. In general, his early stories were about him trying to use his powers unobtrusively while he fought crime as a policeman. It&#039;s very clear, when you look at the timing of his appearances, that he became a &quot;super-hero&quot;, complete with the trappings (super-hero name, costume, secret identity, nosy girl who suspects John Jones is the Martian Manhunter, et cetera) as a reaction to the arrival of the Flash, Atom, et al, rather than as a prompt to their existence.

He wasn&#039;t the first Silver Age character, he was a pre-Silver Age character who was adapted to the Silver Age. Detective Chimp predated the Flash and is still showing up in super-hero comics, but nobody calls him &quot;the father of the Silver Age&quot;, do they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mad Monkey said:</p>
<p>"Jâ€™onn is widely recognized by comic book professionals, industry â€œinsidersâ€, and fans alike as being the father of the Silver Age."</p>
<p>Except, of course, for the ones that don't, like Craig Shutt, author of 'Baby Boomer Comics' and contributor to CBG, who lays out a wonderfully compelling case as to why MM is not the father of the Silver Age.</p>
<p>For my money, having read the issues involved, he's clearly not; he's just another "weird detective" character, one of many that were popular at the time. In general, his early stories were about him trying to use his powers unobtrusively while he fought crime as a policeman. It's very clear, when you look at the timing of his appearances, that he became a "super-hero", complete with the trappings (super-hero name, costume, secret identity, nosy girl who suspects John Jones is the Martian Manhunter, et cetera) as a reaction to the arrival of the Flash, Atom, et al, rather than as a prompt to their existence.</p>
<p>He wasn't the first Silver Age character, he was a pre-Silver Age character who was adapted to the Silver Age. Detective Chimp predated the Flash and is still showing up in super-hero comics, but nobody calls him "the father of the Silver Age", do they?</p>
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		<title>By: Black Manta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Manta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 03:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the character but I would really like to see him weakened a bit. He has too many super-powers. I think he spent so much time in the monitor rooms is because no one else would have anything to do. He was at the end of Salvation Run&#039;s latest issue just so everyone knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the character but I would really like to see him weakened a bit. He has too many super-powers. I think he spent so much time in the monitor rooms is because no one else would have anything to do. He was at the end of Salvation Run's latest issue just so everyone knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If DC decides to kill the Martian Manhunter, it would only be right if the writer was DC&#039;s own........

J&#039;ann J&#039;ones

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If DC decides to kill the Martian Manhunter, it would only be right if the writer was DC's own........</p>
<p>J'ann J'ones</p>
<p> <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noooo! You can&#039;t kill J&#039;Onn Jonnz! If you kill him then how will DC One Million work?

Wait, is DC One Million still in continuity?

Ugh, frickin&#039; DC Comics...

Okay, here&#039;s a good reason: my four-year-old niece LOOOOVES J&#039;Onn. She also recognizes John Stewart as THE Green Lantern.

Which is just awesome to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noooo! You can't kill J'Onn Jonnz! If you kill him then how will DC One Million work?</p>
<p>Wait, is DC One Million still in continuity?</p>
<p>Ugh, frickin' DC Comics...</p>
<p>Okay, here's a good reason: my four-year-old niece LOOOOVES J'Onn. She also recognizes John Stewart as THE Green Lantern.</p>
<p>Which is just awesome to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephane Savoie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephane Savoie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Killing Jonn would be incredibly dumb, and here&#039;s why:
  After years as a third tier character, kids actually know who he is now (thanks to JL Unlimited).  Moreover, they LIKE him.  Jonn is likely a better liked character now than ever before!
  Perhaps DC should capitalize on this by... well, capitalizing on this!  Pitch the costume and Skrull-chin, and give him a book anyone can read and enjoy (not just Ostrander fans).

  But... this is DC.  Never happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Killing Jonn would be incredibly dumb, and here's why:<br />
  After years as a third tier character, kids actually know who he is now (thanks to JL Unlimited).  Moreover, they LIKE him.  Jonn is likely a better liked character now than ever before!<br />
  Perhaps DC should capitalize on this by... well, capitalizing on this!  Pitch the costume and Skrull-chin, and give him a book anyone can read and enjoy (not just Ostrander fans).</p>
<p>  But... this is DC.  Never happen.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &quot;son&quot; is just not as cool as a &quot;manhunter.&quot;  Every man is a son.  I&#039;m putting in my vote for Saturn Shitstomper.

Actually, there is some debate as to whether J&#039;onn should be considered the start of the Silver Age or not.  I&#039;ve heard convincing arguments by fans, insiders and procs both for and against considering him the start.  One of the arguments against using him as the start of the Silver Age for example is that he wasn&#039;t really turned into a more traditional superhero until after Barry Allen appeared and the superhero genre started booming again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A "son" is just not as cool as a "manhunter."  Every man is a son.  I'm putting in my vote for Saturn Shitstomper.</p>
<p>Actually, there is some debate as to whether J'onn should be considered the start of the Silver Age or not.  I've heard convincing arguments by fans, insiders and procs both for and against considering him the start.  One of the arguments against using him as the start of the Silver Age for example is that he wasn't really turned into a more traditional superhero until after Barry Allen appeared and the superhero genre started booming again.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mad Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mad Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doron...

Vincent is correct.  J&#039;onn is the first Silver Age super-hero.  Barry Allen only gets credit because he was the first to cash in on the return of fan attention to super-heroes.
J&#039;onn is widely recognized by comic book professionals, industry &quot;insiders&quot;, and fans alike as being the father of the Silver Age.
Just as the original Crimson Avenger is the father of the Golden Age and Superman got the publicity (that&#039;s why Morrison had CA&#039;s cloak enshrined in the Watchtower).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doron...</p>
<p>Vincent is correct.  J'onn is the first Silver Age super-hero.  Barry Allen only gets credit because he was the first to cash in on the return of fan attention to super-heroes.<br />
J'onn is widely recognized by comic book professionals, industry "insiders", and fans alike as being the father of the Silver Age.<br />
Just as the original Crimson Avenger is the father of the Golden Age and Superman got the publicity (that's why Morrison had CA's cloak enshrined in the Watchtower).</p>
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		<title>By: Doron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vincent,
 I believe that Barry Allen is regarded as the first silver age character since he was the first character Julie schwartz remodeled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vincent,<br />
 I believe that Barry Allen is regarded as the first silver age character since he was the first character Julie schwartz remodeled.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They would *so* kill him, but I really really really really wish they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They would *so* kill him, but I really really really really wish they don't.</p>
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		<title>By: acespot</title>
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		<dc:creator>acespot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Saturn&#039;s Son&quot; - that works

Get rid of the Skrull chin.  And since J&#039;onn&#039;s costume doesn&#039;t really accomplish anything, how&#039;s about making it less &#039;90s armor costume?  God, remember the Iron Daredevil, and the Spider Armor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Saturn's Son" - that works</p>
<p>Get rid of the Skrull chin.  And since J'onn's costume doesn't really accomplish anything, how's about making it less '90s armor costume?  God, remember the Iron Daredevil, and the Spider Armor?</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent J. Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent J. Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J&#039;onn is also considered the first Silver Age character, if I&#039;m not mistaken: it would seem like the end of an era. 

There was also the rumor that Nightwing would die in Infinite Crisis: the whole Nightwing/Superboy team up during that period seems to point to a double-death. 

As for Miss Martian, I can&#039;t recall too many characters in the past few years that have had so much potential, only to have it totally wasted. We know about as much about her as we did when she was teased: mostly nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J'onn is also considered the first Silver Age character, if I'm not mistaken: it would seem like the end of an era. </p>
<p>There was also the rumor that Nightwing would die in Infinite Crisis: the whole Nightwing/Superboy team up during that period seems to point to a double-death. </p>
<p>As for Miss Martian, I can't recall too many characters in the past few years that have had so much potential, only to have it totally wasted. We know about as much about her as we did when she was teased: mostly nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave T. Game</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave T. Game</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my thinking why they won&#039;t kill him off:

1. They&#039;d kill him off during Final Crisis.
2. Morrison is writing Final Crisis.
3. Morrison wrote DC 1 Million, where Martian Manhunter is alive in the far future.
4. (weakest step) Morrison seems to want to keep internal logic with his own stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's my thinking why they won't kill him off:</p>
<p>1. They'd kill him off during Final Crisis.<br />
2. Morrison is writing Final Crisis.<br />
3. Morrison wrote DC 1 Million, where Martian Manhunter is alive in the far future.<br />
4. (weakest step) Morrison seems to want to keep internal logic with his own stuff.</p>
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