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Joss Whedon really should not kill off Kitty Pryde (note that there is always a minute chance that he might not kill her off, as the comic has not actually come out yet, so who knows? Maybe she won’t die.). It is a dumb idea.

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Well, personally, I’m kinda hoping he might do away with Cyclops or Frost.

They’re both expendable as far as I’m concerned.

I agree with the rabbit.
It does look likely though. I’m not sure if it is preferable for her to die or to remain in space. Hopefully they deputize Danger or Brand as X-Men and one of them dies or stays behind.
The best thing about Kitty’s death would be an immediate emotional reaction, like when Whedon normally kills popular characters. But since her absence was telegraphed in Messiah Complex, there won’t even be a sad, surprise reaction, because most of us have come to accept that she’s gone.

Chris Claremont will never let Kitty die for good…

Whedon has devoted half this series to Ord and the Breakworld. At this point, dumb ideas are par for the course.

Thanks for the warning, 3. I haven’t bought this issue yet, and I won’t until the issue is resolved. It was nice to see a book with her presence. If Whedon kills her, all of my Astonishing books will go up on eBay.

She can’t be dead for too long since she shows up in The End, right ;).

IIRC, the only Marvel characters who haven’t died at least once are Kitty Pryde, Lockjaw and Willy Lumpkin.

It’s her turn.

*Sigh* Why does every “major” story now have to end with the death of a “major” character?

Whedon always seemed too much in love with Kitty Pryde to kill her off. I know he isn’t afraid to kill off beloved characters, but at least they’re usually HIS characters, and not someone else’s he’s been given stewardship of. And if he was staying on the book long-term, planning on exploring the ramifications of her death and whatnot, I might be okay with it.

But with him leaving the book, it just seems like he’s taking the swing with him , so no one else can swing on the swingset when he’s gone.

And that’s just lame.

Why don’t they ever want to kill the UNpopular characters? Evey character is someone’s baby, but major characters that are generally disliked live on forever. I don’t want to hear anything about Deathbird gettind waxed in Annihilation; she was a fringe character at best. I’m talking about mainstream unpopulars like Hany Pym. Pym has been around longer than the FF, and has screwed up everything he touches.

Let’s start smearing the ones that need it!

We should have seen this coming. Whedon really loves to kills young women.

Whedon shouldn’t be allowed to kill anybody. His book has fallen so far away from the continuity of all the other X-Men books that he has lost any right to do anything that might seriously impact all the other titles. If he actually does kill anyone, I would be really disappointed if they don’t show up alive in the next issue of Uncanny or Legacy and just completely ignore Whedon’s little pocket universe.

Kill everybody! And let Lilandra sort ‘em out.

Do I have any votes for Elf With A Gun from the Defengers popping up out of nowhere and capping Jarvis? How ’bout we have Baron Zemo take one between the eyes?

Feels like he’s trying to tell the definitive Kitty kicks butt story and then off her.

I don’t quite see the point to that. And the delays mean that the fallout won’t even matter.

Does Marvel even bother to explain anymore how Whedon’s run fits in with *anything* that’s happened in the Marvel U. in the last 3-4 years? (House of M, Civil War, World War Hulk, Messiah Complex, etc.?)

Maybe she ends up as Mutant Zero?

Wow. I never even noticed she wasn’t in Messiah Complex. I guess there was just too much going on and too many characters to keep track. I began to write off that “one will stay behind” line as just hype that wouldn’t pan out. I guess I might be wrong.

My guess is she’s going to ‘die’ her way into being Mutant Zero. Slott claims that even people who don’t regularly follow comics will recognize Zero when the mask comes off, and, well, Mutant Zero is a *shudder* ninja.

Although she wasn’t around for MC proper, I seem to remember her and Colossus being around when the Marauders blew up the mansion . . . it’s really impossible to tell where Astonishing fits in with all this. I’d even heard that all of World War Hulk: X-Men is supposed to take place after Astonishing.

I’m pretty sure that Astonishing’s only meaningful contribution to X-Men is going to be the resurrection of Colossus, as Whedon’s delays have made every other development (Kitty’s eventual fate, Scott gaining control of his powers,) a logistical nightmare to implement into any kind of X-Men chronology, especially following the bang-up job Messiah Complex did of creating franchise cohesion.

Add in the fact that I doubt anyone is going to be in a hurry to revisit horrifically bland concepts like Danger and the Breakworld, and this run fades further into irrelevance.

Runaways doesn’t seem to be faring much better, either. I wonder if anybody will even remember the series exists by the time Moore and Ramos take over.

Matthew Lazorwitz

January 24, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Madrigal’s right. That story ends within minutes of the beginning of MC, so unless there’s some weird time compression (who knows, it’s comics) she amde it back. Lockheed, on the other hand, hasn’t been seen, and judging by that look he and Kity shared, he might sacrifice himself for redemption, another theme Whedon loves.

Did anybody see “Serenity”? Mr Whedon *always* kills the characters we love the most. It’s like a thing with him.

kitty was not in mc but she is on the preview covers for the next instalment of astonishing.

Killing Kitty would be stupid, because she’s popular enough to come back immediately, making it a wasted effort. Moreoever the set up for any death has been piss-poor, even Brand. There’s not enough to give any real resonance.

There’s no need for this storyline to end in the death of a major character. What a waste it would be. bring back Colossus just to off Kitty? Bah.

There are no preview covers for Astonishing: Second Stage, and Warren Ellis has repeatedly stated that the Bianchi promo art does not represent the actual team at all.

As much as I would be glad to be rid of Kitty Pryde for good, I don’t think I could handle all the whining/martyr-making that would happen if she died.

It would be like Illyana times 90 trillion.

Pym has been around longer than the FF, and has screwed up everything he touches.

That’s why he’s a good character to keep around. He creates drama.

Duh. That’s classic Marvel 101, right there.

Calm down everyone.

We got magic.

kitty was not in mc but she is on the preview covers for the next instalment of astonishing.

Those were promo pieces Bianchi worked up, not actual covers, right?

Unless Marvel released some new art recently.

DecRab should learn how to use the term SPOILER, or POTENTIAL SPOILER in some of his more time-sensitive installments. This is not the first series that has had its cover blown for me thanks to a silly rabbit’s tricks (and comics aren’t just for kids, but I digress). On the one hand, I do understand that such is the threat of the net — don’t read if you don’t want to know. But people writing headlines could be a little more responsible, please. We can meet in the middle on this.

That said: Go ahead, Joss, kill her.

Eh.

Can it really be a spoiler if it’s just a theory?

She hasn’t actually been killed, nor do I have any information that she has been killed. It’s just an educated guess (that is almost certainly right, but I don’t know for a fact that it’s right).

Vincent Paul Bartilucci

January 24, 2008 at 4:30 pm

“As much as I would be glad to be rid of Kitty Pryde for good, I don’t think I could handle all the whining/martyr-making that would happen if she died.

It would be like Illyana times 90 trillion.”

Best.

X-quote.

Ever.

$10 says none of them dies. Another thing Whedon always loves to do is give prophecies that turn out not to come true the way everyone thinks they will.

**Kill everybody! And let Lilandra sort ‘em out.**

Works for me. Maybe then we could have a wacky! arc where everybody comes back except in the wrong bodies!

I think the story’s too obviously leading up to Kitty being killed for it to happen. If there is a major death, it’ll be somebody else.

Initiative #5 has Gyrich noting that Mutant Zero shouldn’t be addressed by any of the old names (plural). With Slott’s quote, I’m pretty sure she’s Kitty.

Eh, Whedon can always have Willo… Illyana bring her back at the start of the next season.

Really, Astonishing X-Men is quite the example of how massive lateness can ruin any dramatic buildup. Take the latest issue, where it was revealed that the architect behind the prophecy was… someone. Perhaps if I could remember who all the damn Breakworld aliens are, were, I might have cared. After all, “Unstoppable” started back in 2006.

[…] The rabbit got me thinking about comic book death, and about some thoughts I have about the appropriateness of it all. […]

The one thing that always strikes me when the death -or possible death- of a character comes up is how quick fans are to assume the worst. In the recent past I’ve heard moaning that Hawkeye was dead and never coming back, Cyclops was dead and never coming back, that Wong was dead and never coming back, that Dum Dum Dugan was dead and… you get the picture. Considering I haven’t seen press releases from Marvel about Kitty’s death or Dr. Hank McCoy grimly stating “She’s dead Slim” I’m going to view this as yet another chapter in the ongoing plot of the X-Men franchise instead of some huge change in the status quo.

My guess is she’s going to ‘die’ her way into being Mutant Zero. Slott claims that even people who don’t regularly follow comics will recognize Zero when the mask comes off, and, well, Mutant Zero is a *shudder* ninja.

Doesn’t that rule out Kitty Pryde?

Ah bum – I screwed up the quote again

[…] The comics world is abuzz with rumours that current Astonishing X-Men writer Joss Whedon plans to kill off fan favourite character Kitty Pryde at the end of his run. This has got Brian Cronin, a regular blogger for the fanboy website Comic Book Resources, thinking about the subject of death in superhero titles, and he’s come up with an exhaustive set of rules to help writers determine when it is appropriate – and not appropriate – to kill off major characters. […]

I’ve never understood the appeal of Kitty Pride. I didn’t like it when she joined way back in the 80’s, and I haven’t liked her since. I hate kid mascots on teams, and that’s the way I’ve always seen her – the wide-eyed incompetent liability to the team that inexplicably got a disproportionate amount of camera time.

Can someone explain to me how someone whose biggest power is the ability to flee from situations by running through objects ever got on the team to begin with? She’s like Sue Storm before they beefed her up with the force fields.

“The one thing that always strikes me when the death -or possible death- of a character comes up is how quick fans are to assume the worst.”

And let’s not forget the complaints about how Marvel was going to kill Mary Jane during One More Day–or how, once the actual story came out, some people said that killing her was what they should have done. The 24-hour news cycle has not been good for fandom.

“Chris Claremont will never let Kitty die for good…”

Dead right. She’ll end up in Exiles with his other favorite, Psylocke. (And they’ll both follow him onto every subsequent book he writes until the end of time… )

I’ve never understood the appeal of Kitty Pride.

Some people develop romantic infatuations with fictional characters.

Doesn’t Claremont have a Kitty Pryde in Exiles *already*? I thought I saw a “Shadowcat” of some sort in the preview info released a while back.

And has anyone else seen the Greg Land pin-up floating around of the “new” Astonishing team (with people like Pixie from New X-Men in it)? Has it been said what that was for yet? And come to think of it, where the hell did I see that shot in the first place…was it the Marvel Spotlight: Messiah Complex book? Help!

Yeah, Whedon has killed Kitty, no doubt about it. And yeah, it sucks. Seems like he did it (or will do it, as you prefer) as a “I won’t let anyone touch my pet” thing.

Even if Kitty does die, this is rendered moot as:
1. Breakworld technology can resurrect dead mutants.
2. Cassandra Nova. Remember her? Yeah, like the omnipotent villain with intentionally vague telekinetic and molecular powers (that has been conspicuously absent for a spell) won’t be used as a deus ex machina.

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