Not having read it I can't say for sure but I'd make a fair bet that Guantanamo was presented as a holding place for peaceful, innocents caught up in "America's senseless war on terror", brutalized by the vicious American military.

Man, I really hate it when people feel the need to "educate"...

Still, he's much more tolerable a writer than Bendis or Miller.

I recall a few John Wayne movies where they expressed concerns about the 'young bucks' on the reservation getting excited and going on the warpath.

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Getting back to the Cap thread - has it been covered yet to explain why John Ney Reiber was dumped or left Cap in 02/03 so quickly. He started with a post-9/11 story of Cap helping out at Ground Zero and started down an anti-war storyline only to have someone else finish his story in a 90 degree turn that made no sense.

“Jerry-rigged is a cleaned up version of “n-word-rigged.” I was really aghast to learn that, and I’ve eliminated jerry-rigged from my vocabulary. ”

Then why didn’t you write J-word-rigged?

Why would you possibly ask such a stupid question?

Jury-rigged comes from the French "jour", meaning day.

In other words, something temporarily fixed.

In 1962, the end of WWII was the same distance in the past as the Gulf War is today (and damn, that makes me feel old....)

30 more comments and the Mary Jane statue bit is no longer the most commented-on post on this blog.

And that will make the world a little bit better.

The man out of time stuff came up once in a while after Avengers 4, but it really wasn't played till the Stan Lee/Gene Colan issues, Colan couldn't think of anything to draw one issue so he had 4 pages of basically Cap walking down the street. Stan took that and wrote a whole internal dialogue with Cap wondering about his place in the world, how the worlds moved beyond him, how he doesn't have a place in this world, how he belonged to a different era, yada yada yada. That sequence was so powerful that everyone seems to remember it as being the focus of the entire Silver Age cap, even though it was only one comic and it came really late in the Silver Age. As you point out, the survivor quilt was played up much more then the "out of time" aspect in the silver age.

Y’see the problem isn’t that Patriot’s grandfather fought in World War 2 (so did both of mine on both sides of my family, and I’m 26), the problem is that for that for the story to work, Patriot’s mother had to have been conceived before WW2.

Just to do the math…

Since Patriot has no Super-Soldier serum in him, his mother must have been conceived before Isaiah entered the Super Solider Program. If Steve Rogers became Cap in 1941, lets say Isaiah’s experience was in 1940 (I don’t remember if “The Truth” had a date).

Now, let’s say Patriots mother was born in 1941, making her 67. Patriot is still in high school, so let’s say he’s 16, making his mother 51 when he was born.

-Steve!

Not necessarily. There are a number of ways around this. Patriot could have been adopted. Or it could simply be that Patriot's mother was born after Isaiah was given the serum, but the serum's effects are not heritable. Thus, the only way for Patriot to gain the abilities was a direct transfusion of blood that still carried the active serum.

Actually, having fairly recently read the Silver Age Cap and Avengers "Essentials," I was surprised how *little* these aspects were used in the early days. After Avengers #4, there's really not much reference to the "man out of his time" aspect - Cap seems to take to the '60s rather quickly.

His main character note at the time was the whole "survivor's guilt about Bucky" thing, which eventually got way overplayed. Also, surprisingly, the "living legend" aspect of the character is a relatively recent addition. For the most part, people didn't treat Cap with especially more reverence or respect than any other "popular" (as opposed to widely distrusted like Spidey) superheroes. There wasn't all that much difference in the Silver Age between peoples' reaction to Cap and their reactions to, say, Daredevil.

Jack Woltz: I don't care how many dago guinea wop greaseball goombahs come out of the woodwork!
Tom Hagen: I'm German-Irish.
Jack Woltz: Well, lemme tell ya something, my Kraut-Mick friend!

Enjoy!

Believe it of not, we had two in my high school, (not in my class though). I did not know that "Tom" in and of itself was a slam in the black community, I've heard "Uncle Tom" used in a negitive way but I didn't know that "Tom" in and of itself was bad word. Had I known that back then I would have been amazed at the odds at the same time wondering what the parents were thinking.

It does seem like “bring back Bucky” and “make Cap President” are two of the biggest crutches a writer clings to when trying to find a story to do with Cap. Not as big as “replace Cap” or “kill him”, but it does go to show why so many writers have a hell of a time figuring out what to do with him. He’s such a cipher personality-wise sometimes, it makes him easy to abuse that way.

I wouldn't call it abuse as much as get trapped. Cap's original intention was to be the soldier out of time, who could lead the Avengers easy enough but not handle regular society. That's exactly how he's played in The Ultimates.

And, more importantly, note that The Ultimates didn't kill of Bucky so that Cap has at least SOMEONE to have an emotional impact with. Hence, I think, this is why Bucky coming back gets offered.

As for the other common pplot: after so long it becomes difficult to accept an inability to deal with the surroundings you're in. I mean, technically Cap's been in modern America for seven years — which by that time means he understands modern tastes, cell phones, the Internet, etc.

Once you take that away from him, what's left? As a soldier with strong leadership skills, he's not unique in the Marvel Universe. As someone with traditional ideals… he already resigned once. What's left but to try and change the system from inside — or move into another position of power (like, say, taking control of SHIELD while Fury goes into politics).

Personally, I have no problem with this whatsoever. Comic readers are older and wiser than before and can handle the idea of politics in comics — as witness by Lex Luthor becoming President at DC, or Tony Stark taking a seat of power in Washington at Marvel.

If it's a LOGICAL step forward that opens new stores… why not? Especially with Cap, who could have really forced some changes on the Marvel Universe in ways that would have worked really well. Example: how he deals with mutants, or with Fury's intelligence briefings.

Also being from the South, I never heard it derogatory in regards to race and I have been around people that would use it that way if so.

Now I have heard yankee slurred in a manner not unlike the nastiest pronunciation of the dreaded n word.