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John Seavey’s Storytelling Engines: Savage Dragon

Tuesday, January 29th, 2008 at 8:28 AM EST

Updated: Tuesday, January 29th, 2008 at 8:28 AM EST

Here’s the latest Storytelling Engine from John Seavey. Click here to read John’s description of what a Storytelling Engine IS, anyways. Check out more of them at his blog, Fraggmented.

Storytelling Engines: Savage Dragon

(or “Working Without A Net”)

We’ve done a lot of discussing of storytelling engines in this column over the last year or so, but it’s rarely that we’ve discussed a series that doesn’t actually have a storytelling engine. This is because in practical terms, it’s impossible not to have a storytelling engine at all; “storytelling engine” is my way of describing the protagonists, antagonists, supporting cast, background, setting, and central concept of a series, and a series with none of those things wouldn’t be much of a series at all. (”All-new! All-different! Thirty-two all-blank pages!”) But it’s true that some series have more of a “storytelling engine” than others, and some have very little at all.

There are two reasons why this might be, both stemming from the point of a storytelling engine. The list of things mentioned above are there to help the writer generate stories in an open-ended series; if a writer is stuck for an idea, he/she can look to things already established to explore their possibilities further. (So, for example, a Spider-Man writer stuck for an idea can bring back Doctor Octopus, or a Superman writer stuck for an idea can do a “Red Kryptonite” story.) One reason to have a minimal storytelling engine, as I discussed earlier when talking about Howard the Duck, is that the story might not be open-ended. If you just plan to tell as many stories as are in your head and then stop, then you can feel free to make changes as and when necessary.

The other reason, as exemplified in ‘The Savage Dragon’ (yes, that is the subject of this week’s column, I hadn’t forgotten), is that sometimes the writer doesn’t want help in generating stories. Erik Larsen, the writer, penciller and inker of ‘Savage Dragon’ since its inception, wasted very little time in setting up the Dragon’s storytelling engine. He’s found, naked in a burning field, with no memory of his past and very little concern for what it might be. He joins the police force in Chicago (seemingly by whim on Larsen’s part), and starts fighting bad guys. Beyond that, the “storytelling engine” is entirely based on Larsen’s imagination. If he thinks an idea is interesting, he puts it in. When he grows bored with it, he removes it. The setting changes based on his imagination, characters drift in and out when they feel like it, the Dragon’s own background isn’t significantly explored for the first 12 years of the character’s existence (and barely even factors into the fifty issues covered by ‘The Savage Dragon Archives Volumes One and Two’), villains show up, fight, and get killed when Larsen runs out of stories to tell with them…it’s pretty evident that Larsen is not someone who’s worried that he’ll run out of ideas any time soon.

Does it work? Frequently, yes. Not every idea that Larsen throws into the book is a good one (there’s an embarrassing tendency towards pastiche at times, with “Mighty Man”, “Doctor Nirvana”, “Octopus”, “the Arachnid”, “J. Richard Richards”, and other thinly-veiled Marvel and DC characters), but with so many ideas getting tossed into the mix, there’s always something unexpected coming down the pike. Having such a fluid status quo frees Larsen to go wherever his imagination takes him, and so far, for the most part, he hasn’t had trouble getting an issue out the door. More power to him if he can pull it off.

The only question is, how long can he continue to do so? I’m not predicting dire consequences or a sudden attack of writer’s block, here; I’m merely pointing out that one of the big advantages of a storytelling engine is that it endures beyond the span of the engine’s creator. Erik Larsen will no doubt be able to continue writing ‘Savage Dragon’ for a long time to come, but it may not endure past the point where he’s finished with it. Whereas a storytelling engine can be handed off to another writer, and (so long as they don’t break it) it will continue to generate stories for a new writer, even a new generation of writers. Imaginations come and go, but a good engine is built to last.

10 Comments

…But since The Savage Dragon is a creator-owned book, his storytelling engine doesn’t really NEED to be passed on to the next writer, yes?

Ditto to John. Creator owned characters don’t need to be made for other writers. In that sense, Savage Dragon is similar to Mr. Natural or Madman, it is just a character for the creators’ whims.

(Allred *did* write for the character in Madman and the Atomics…hmmm…)

It doesn’t need to be past on, but for example, Larsen might want to pass it on. Yes it’s a comic book, but it is also his intellectual property, that one day he may wish to sell to finance his retirement, or an island or something. He could go the Jim Lee route, selling to a major company…or the McFarlane route, with him moving to run an empire while other people produce the comic…or something entirely unthought of right now.

is it possible that, if the Savage Dragon was passed on to another writer, they could continue the same way larsen has? just throw in whatever the heck they want, and watch the comic sell?

I guess what i am trying to ask is, is there a reason why a new writer must have a story telling engine for a series like this? like you said, the series has done pretty well without an engine so far, so why not continue to not have an engine?

You’re right; the series doesn’t necessarily need an engine. Erik Larsen may never decide to pass ‘Savage Dragon’ on to another writer, he may decide to wind the whole thing up tomorrow and make it a finite story. It’s up to him. Or, he may decide to handle it like Todd McFarlane handled ‘Spawn’, and hand the writing and art off to another person, at which point a storytelling engine might be helpful.

I’m not condemning the lack of a storytelling engine; I’m merely pointing it out, and pointing to some of the potential problems that might cause down the line. (Emphasis on “might”.)

Shoot. You just made me realize that Cerebus is actually doable. :) It’s been ages since I read the books I have, and I’d have to go back and finish the series (I think I stopped at ‘Latter Days Part One’…)

It’s cool how in addition to writing whatever he wants, you can also see Larsen experimenting with different art styles, and even formats(Like the all splash-page issue, or the one that decreases panels each page)

I’ve enjoyed reading Savage Dragon Archives, but I do find it hard to follow the plot at times. Not having clear issue breaks doesn’t help, and I think inserting pages from other books actually hurts. I assume it gets better as it goes along.

D. Eric Carpenter

January 30, 2008 at 7:39 am

Actually, it seems that Larsen not only interchanges characters and ideas…but wholesale ‘engines.’

The only thing that remains constant in the book is literally the Dragon. The last time I read the book, he was the only survivor of his universe living in an alternate world.

If Larsen decides he wants to do a super-crime book, he does…the he changes his mind and wants to do a Kirby New Gods book…then a post-apocalyptic book…each time, he basically plugs a whole new ‘engine’ in place and the character deals with it.

As a Dragon fan I can see what you’re saying because it seems like whenever anyone writes Dragon he’s always kind of off. I can’t think of a really good guest appearance (other then Vanguard 3 which Larsen had a hand in) Fellow Fin addict Robert Kirkman never seems to get a good handle on him, Jason Pearson wrote and drew a cool Dragon mini but even despite a fun story, the character didn’t seem quite right (especially the forced sexual tension between him and Alex). Giffen only plotted a few Dragon stories and even those were usually scripted by Larsen.

On the other hand other Larsen creations like Superpatriot, Star and Freak Force work well under different creators.

That said since the book operates in real time and Dragon has at least one biological kid someone could conceivably take over the book with Son of Savage Dragon and build their own mythology.

It’s still one of my favorite books and hope Larsen keeps putting them out (though I’m curious about his “mystery project” due later this year).

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