Wonder if there were some new readers who were like "Who is this Lord guy" when reading him as a main villian. I mean I know they gave backstory in Countdown and all but just saying.

And they always used to mix in some serious stuff it wasnt all BWAHAHA ..the big Despero story was pretty intense, as was the Gray Man and others.

As much as I love the original run and collected everything until the end I was let down by the 2 "minis" just seemed to be going back to the well nothing terribly wrong with the stories but just werent the same.

Do you have any comprehension of the difference between the news and what is supposed to be entertainment?

And I know full well that there are many dramatic books and even comics that are meant for adults that deal with themes like rape and murder but mainstream comics with solid histories of being meant for a general audience are not a place for an in your face "I'm gonna shock you" storyline especially when it turns conventions around 180 degrees for no other reason than an attempt to increase sales.

It burns.

Ow.

OMG!!!! I DON'T NEED RAPE IN MY NEWS!!!!!!!

You Sue Dibny fans out there should be PLEASED she was raped and murdered! That was awesome for fans of Sue and Ralph!

And you sniveling Blue Beetle fans, if he wasn't shot in the head, then he'd be alive, and who wants that? Show a little more gratitude, why don't you!!

And sure, there was that popular mini-series featuring the characters right before they were killed off, but who wants to actually read new comics with Sue and Ted Kord? There's always reprints of old stuff, nerds!!

Oh, and nobody cared about the JLI in the ten years prior to Countdown to Infinite Crisis. You guys that were fans of that era should be grateful for the renewed light on those characters. It probably got you some trades of the old stuff published, not to mention a successful "Booster Gold" series.

I think Didio also needs to go...he prob noticed how Marvel was getting critical acclaim and sales for it work in 2001-2004, and thought, "Hey, let's make our comics 'edgy' like Marvel! We'll make them dark and sadistic and retcon half our already-convoluted history by making it MORE convoluted and..." shut up, Didio.

Him showing McGuire the art of Beetle getting shot was a level of tackiness even JQ has yet to reach.

I guess what would drive me nuts about Maxwell Lord becoming a bad guy (if I were still reading comics on a regular basis) would be the scene back in the day where the Martian Manhunter probed his mind and gave him a JLI communicator indicating the Jonz found him to be ... trustworthy

Judd Winick is an overrated writer whose dialect in interviews may be even more alienating than his own scriptwriting in comics. Now, Comics Should Be Good revealed just a few weeks ago that the whole claim made on Newsarama 3 years ago that he'd vot...

Also, wow. Peter Pan as Adversary... I'm really glad that didn't happen in the actual comment. It seems like it would've been the most annoying kind of deconstruction; straight-up changing "innocent" to "evil".

1) I heard that he was going to make Matt Murdock the mayor of New York City, but it was ixnayed by Marvel's editors because it would make it too tough on continuity (y'know, back when that mattered)

2) In the Shadowlines books, there is a character who has the same powers and look as Terror Inc., both of which were done by Chichester. I've heard that they weren't just supposed to be alternate versions of each other, but the same character, who somehow made the leap to the mainstream Marvel Universe. Any truth to that?

Urban legend or figment of my imagination?

And in reaction to that, many other fans promote the idea that ALL superhero comics should be "fun" and optimistic and hopeful. I also don't like it.

Why don't we promote diversity of taste and tone? Unpredictability? Constant change? Why lock ourselves into these patterns? The comic book industry is already too limited, why limit it further campaigning for a similar tone to all books?

I never really understood the notion that a story's outlook (meaning, whether it's cynical or hopeful) has anything to do with quality. I also don't understand why "dark", "adult" things can't be considered "fun".

Particularly, I don't have any problem with the Avengers (or any other character) being light-hearted in a decade, and dark and cynical in the following, and then reverting to light.

Let different writers have the opportunity to express different views.

I'd also like to thank Da Fug for bringing the matter of how eagerly DC's other editors were looking forward to getting the pages of Sue Dibny's rape out in the open.

Murder, rape torture, corruption; DC's used all of those to get shock value and increased sales. Perhaps some sales increased *temporarily*, but at the cost of enraging and antagoinising long-term fans. Fans who may no longer be tolerating the destruction of their characters, and are voting with their dollars. As I certainly am ...

Sure they ahve officaly denied Max was out under control of an ouside force, and the old extremists are...well I have no idea I think ti's something liek the Crime Syndicate/Crime Socirty thing

but bottom line we've seen evil max at least three times before, not sure why I should buy th 4th time