Fraction used Winter Soldier in a recent issue pf PWJ.

Really, maybe I need to read this week’s issue. I read last month’s and didn’t like it that much. I’m a huge Deadpool fan and it just felt weird.

Didn’t Dillon handle Deadpool for an ish or two when he crossed over with the Punisher? I actually picked up Wolverine last issue after dropping it about 6 months ago because of Deadpool’s appearance, and I loved it!

Way’s work with Deadpool has definitely been his strongest work since his two Bullseye miniseries (which similarly played to both his and Dillon’s strengths,) and probably one of the most accessible uses of the character in a long time.

I know a lot of the “hardcore” Deadpool fans are going to hate this because it’s not written by Fabian Nicieza, bogged down in references to obscure 90′s characters, and constantly breaking the fourth wall, but honestly this approach is probably going to be a lot more appealing and accessible to the general public anyway.

this approach is probably going to be a lot more appealing and accessible to the general public anyway

What is this general public you mention?

And you are right, we don’t want references to obscure 90′s characters…like a 3rd tier x-villain who was a shameless ripoff of DC’s Deathstroke…in a Deadpool appearance.

Nicieza used Bucky in a recent issue of Deadpool Team-Up. He did a fun job with the character tormenting poor Bob, Agent of Hydra.

“The general public” would be comic readers who don’t get excited over the reappearance of sub-Z-listers like T-Ray or Comcast and the other villains that appeared in like one issue of The Circle Chase. You know, stuff that’s been out of print for nearly a decade and almost nobody read to start with. Honestly, there’s “obscure,” and then there’s “who gives a shit?” Cable and Deadpool was a lot of things, but it was never accessible primarily because it readily assumed that you had read every issue of Deadpool and Agent X and automatically knew their contents with minimal prompting.

If they’re going to trying to market the character after featuring Deadpool in the Wolverine solo movie, it’d help if he had a series in print that wasn’t another installment in Fabian Nicieza’s Nineties Studies for Advanced Continuity Fetishists.

So will Bob be in the new comic? Or should he get his own?

I’m a big Deadpool fan, have every issue of every series he has been in, and am eagerly awaiting this new one!

Speaking as someone who had never read a marvel comic before I started reading Cable and Deadpool and loved the hell out of it, I must disagree about the accessibility of it.

But then I’m generally sceptical when long item readers say a book isn’t new reader accessible. 9 times out of 10 they’re just bringing far more context to the book then is necessary to enjoy the story.

Also, to change the topic a bit, I don’t really care if a book I like doesn’t sell well (and C&D didn’t sell well, though it was incredibly consistent). If it sells enough to make a profit and not get cancelled that’s good enough for me. The idea that it’s a good thing if a character I like ends up starring in a series that I don’t enjoy as much but sells more baffles me. I’m just not that selfless, I’m not ever going to say anything like ‘well there’s no comics out now that I enjoy but Marvel’s sales are up by 300% so I guess in the end these changes are a good thing”.

“but honestly this approach is probably going to be a lot more appealing and accessible to the general public anyway.”

Yes, making a character whose design looks a lot like Spider-Man act more exactly like Spider-Man and far less distinct will probably go over better with the masses…

but isn’t that what always made Deadpool cool? Not being that?

I’m curious as to how ANY of Deadpool’s behavior in Wolverine: Origins is “act(ing) exactly like Spider-Man,” unless I missed the arc where Spider-Man deliberately blew up a department store while fighting the Green Goblin, dragged him behind a bus, and paid someone to drop a piano on him.

I’m surprised you like Way’s Deadpool, Brian.

I can’t say I’ve read the recent issues of Wolverine: Origins (I dropped it at #14) but I did read the previews to see how he handled Deadpool and, to put it bluntly, I thought his Wade sucked.

I’m a massive C&D fan and this version of Deadpool just didn’t work for me.

Maybe I’m just bitter about losing one of my favourite titles?

And no Bob!

Maybe I’m just bitter about losing one of my favourite titles?

Possibly.

But that’s totally understandable!!

That said, yeah, Way’s Deadpool is a LOT different from Nicieza, and pretty different from Kelly’s (although much closer to Kelly than Nicieza).

I didn’t have any past experience with Cable, and only about 5 issues with Deadpool, and I found Cable/Deadpool to be very accessible. What’s more, Nicieza made me care about all those ‘sub-Z-listers’ (except T-Ray). Heck, he made Cable interesting to me for the first time ever.

As to Way’s version of Deadpool, he doesn’t do much for me. It’s not that I’m dislike this Deadpool, I’m just not terribly interested in him either. Looking through the issue, I think I chuckled once, but mostly felt nothing. I’ve been debating whether I’ll try Way and Dillon’s Deadpool series when it starts for the last month, and I guess I’ll still be debating it the day it actually hits stores.

Way is taking a madcap approach to Deadpool, similar to Joe Kelly’s classic run, except Way is also adding a darker tone to Deadpool (which is not THAT dissimilar to Kelly, who also had a bit of an edge to his run)

“A bit of an edge” is a huge understatement. I wonder how Way could make it any darker than Kelly’s run (the Typhoid Mary stuff, and especially the Box).

Wasn’t Winter Soldier in an issue or two of Fallen Son?

Cable & Deadpool was really strong for about twenty issues, then devolved into exactly what everybody’s been complaining about. Right now, I think Deadpool needs a writer as far away from Nicieza as possible, so in that regard, good for Way. However, understanding a character properly is only one of Way’s many problems. I still have doubts.

As to Fabian using Bucky in Cable and Deadpool, yeah, but that was Bucky, not Winter Soldier. And technically, Fabian was the first person who hardcored up the modern interpretation of Bucky in the Adventures of Captain America.

I think Loeb used him that “Death of Cap” series of one-shots.

(I don’t think anyone has mention this one)

I also liked Way and Dillon’s Deadpool. Wasn’t that crazy about Nicieza.

“I’m curious as to how ANY of Deadpool’s behavior in Wolverine: Origins is “act(ing) exactly like Spider-Man,”

I haven’t read the issue, I’m going by the description above that he’s “madcap”, comparing him to Bugs Bunny, the sense of humor, etc.

Removing the 4th wall breaking and other stuff is removing one of few the things unique to Deadpool.

“unless I missed the arc where”

yeah, all that stuff you’re talking about would’ve fit in fine under Fabian Nicieza too, so it doesn’t really fit the distinction you were trying to make earlier about how this was so much better than Nicieza.

I’m sorry, I just have serious doubts that Daniel Way can write ANY character well. After his horrible run on Ghost Rider, I refuse to give the guy my money once again. A shame, because Steve Dillon is a fantastic artist.

I didn’t read any of Way’s run on GR yet, but after reading Supreme Power: Nighthawk, I thought he was pretty decent. I read most of Wolverine Origins, and I dropped the title around #12 more from money issues than his writing (although I’ll jump on the bandwagon and say Daken sucked).

I don’t dislike Dillon, but (and I’m not trying to be contrary here) he really needs to work on some things (his faces most of all, IMO), and this seriously keeps him from being much better than a good artist. I was cool with most of his art in Supreme Power, Wolverine Origins and Punisher, but it hasn’t changed much since Preacher. He’s solid, consistent, and unique, but I don’t think I’d call him fantastic.

Wolverine: Origins has been nothing but a showcase of Steve Dillon artwork since it started. These last two Deadpool issues are the only one’s that are even remotely near the realm called entertaining.