Comments on: The Whole Batwoman Thing http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:18:10 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Krod http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-577001 Krod Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:52:36 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-577001 Yeah, its sucks to be living in such a liberty-ridden, prosperous nation. Yeah, its sucks to be living in such a liberty-ridden, prosperous nation.

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By: GQ http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-563159 GQ Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:09:52 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-563159 ">I’m an American. My condolences. But don´t lose hope. " Excellent. ">I’m an American.

My condolences. But don´t lose hope. "

Excellent.

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By: Graeme White http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-563114 Graeme White Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:49:52 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-563114 I agree on the poster earlier (sorry for no direct quote or name, but I'm at work and don't have time to scroll back up) but the character is merely undeveloped, she's not 2D, we just haven't seen enough about her to get a proper idea of her motivations and personality. Oh by the way, more recent strong straight female characters Manhunter,Jess Midnight, Sasha Bordeaux, oh and rejuvenated characters like Black Canary, Power girl ,both have really been fleshed out and matured recently in their team books, as have Stargirl, Fire, Enchantress, the list goes on. Batwoman has potential but that's all it is, you can't say she's a good character yet, but on the other hand you also can't say she's a bad character or that she has nothing new to bring to the table. I agree on the poster earlier (sorry for no direct quote or name, but I'm at work and don't have time to scroll back up) but the character is merely undeveloped, she's not 2D, we just haven't seen enough about her to get a proper idea of her motivations and personality.

Oh by the way, more recent strong straight female characters Manhunter,Jess Midnight, Sasha Bordeaux, oh and rejuvenated characters like Black Canary, Power girl ,both have really been fleshed out and matured recently in their team books, as have Stargirl, Fire, Enchantress, the list goes on.

Batwoman has potential but that's all it is, you can't say she's a good character yet, but on the other hand you also can't say she's a bad character or that she has nothing new to bring to the table.

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By: NicKT http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-562070 NicKT Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:58:15 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-562070 "Well, as Rucka was the driving force behind the character, and he no longer wants to work for DC, I can see that the character would slide into non-use." I believe he recently said he has three DC projects he is working on. He will work at DC, he's just no longer exclusive (Same for JMS at Marvel). As for the book, I guess it's because of the reaction when she was created. Wether it was DC's fault or not, the initial reports focussed on her sexuality and little else, so people just saw it as the creation of a gay character over a character who is gay (If that makes sense :) ). Also, after that it seemed as if DC didn't really hype her that much, there was an initial fanfare and then nothing else. "Well, as Rucka was the driving force behind the character, and he no longer wants to work for DC, I can see that the character would slide into non-use."

I believe he recently said he has three DC projects he is working on. He will work at DC, he's just no longer exclusive (Same for JMS at Marvel).

As for the book, I guess it's because of the reaction when she was created. Wether it was DC's fault or not, the initial reports focussed on her sexuality and little else, so people just saw it as the creation of a gay character over a character who is gay (If that makes sense :) ). Also, after that it seemed as if DC didn't really hype her that much, there was an initial fanfare and then nothing else.

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By: Doug Atkinson http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-561631 Doug Atkinson Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:46:50 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-561631 I'd say "undeveloped" rather than "shallow." Her level of development is consistent with having made a handful of appearances as a supporting character; it doesn't mean there's anything innately wrong with the character, just that it hasn't been done yet (which is kind of the point of the complaint, really). After all, "gay, rich and Jewish" is one more thing than we know about the first Batwoman, and two more than we know about some supporting characters who have been around for years. (Off the top of their heads, can anyone give a personal detail about Dr. Jenet Klyburn that isn't intrinsic to her usual plot role?) I'd say "undeveloped" rather than "shallow." Her level of development is consistent with having made a handful of appearances as a supporting character; it doesn't mean there's anything innately wrong with the character, just that it hasn't been done yet (which is kind of the point of the complaint, really). After all, "gay, rich and Jewish" is one more thing than we know about the first Batwoman, and two more than we know about some supporting characters who have been around for years. (Off the top of their heads, can anyone give a personal detail about Dr. Jenet Klyburn that isn't intrinsic to her usual plot role?)

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By: joshschr http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-561608 joshschr Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:25:59 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-561608 <blockquote>But, as she stood, she was just a shallow character. Gay, rich, and Jewish. That’s all we really know about her.</blockquote>She wasn't just a gay rich lesbian who used to date Montoya, she dresses up in a bat costume! It's not like she was just Montoya's favorite hot dog vendor who she sometimes slept with. She's been in what, 3 issues? 6? And the appearences were mostly ensemble books, not Batwoman: Origins. Of course that's all we know about her. I would like to have seen more.

But, as she stood, she was just a shallow character. Gay, rich, and Jewish. That’s all we really know about her.

She wasn't just a gay rich lesbian who used to date Montoya, she dresses up in a bat costume! It's not like she was just Montoya's favorite hot dog vendor who she sometimes slept with. She's been in what, 3 issues? 6? And the appearences were mostly ensemble books, not Batwoman: Origins. Of course that's all we know about her. I would like to have seen more.

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By: Kevin Huxford http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-561593 Kevin Huxford Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:11:04 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-561593 It could very well be that Time-Warner is worried about there being a controversy surrounding the character right when the movie hits the theater. It could be that Rucka won't have the time to do this series now that he's not exclusive. It could be that, with all this waiting, the moment was lost. Maybe they'll get around to a mini-series after the movie hits. Maybe she'll just wind up in Birds of Prey. But, as she stood, she was just a shallow character. Gay, rich, and Jewish. That's all we really know about her. Her having been involved with a character that has more depth doesn't mean she gets some of it through osmosis. ;) It could very well be that Time-Warner is worried about there being a controversy surrounding the character right when the movie hits the theater. It could be that Rucka won't have the time to do this series now that he's not exclusive. It could be that, with all this waiting, the moment was lost.

Maybe they'll get around to a mini-series after the movie hits. Maybe she'll just wind up in Birds of Prey.

But, as she stood, she was just a shallow character. Gay, rich, and Jewish. That's all we really know about her. Her having been involved with a character that has more depth doesn't mean she gets some of it through osmosis. ;)

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By: Felipe http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-561419 Felipe Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:45:06 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-561419 >I’m an American. My condolences. But don´t lose hope. >I’m an American.

My condolences. But don´t lose hope.

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By: text http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-561368 text Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:53:04 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-561368 The character itself was just a cheap ploy to titillate teen boys with her rampaging lipstick lesbianism. Glad the character's "buried", so to speak. The character itself was just a cheap ploy to titillate teen boys with her rampaging lipstick lesbianism.

Glad the character's "buried", so to speak.

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By: Pat(sadly)NotLoika http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-561349 Pat(sadly)NotLoika Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:35:39 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-561349 Is anybody really shocked by terrible business moves by DC at this point? A Rucka/JHWIII Batwoman series is a 100% sales success for at least the first arc, especially with good timing. So what does DC do? Let all the hype fade away, and put out a Batgirl series by a guy whose Robin writing people hated. I seriously think they hate money over there. Is anybody really shocked by terrible business moves by DC at this point?

A Rucka/JHWIII Batwoman series is a 100% sales success for at least the first arc, especially with good timing.

So what does DC do? Let all the hype fade away, and put out a Batgirl series by a guy whose Robin writing people hated.

I seriously think they hate money over there.

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By: suedenim http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-561318 suedenim Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:02:14 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-561318 I'd note that DC *did* say from the beginning that they were planning to take it slow with Batwoman, and not rush into a new series or anything. I don't think anyone expected them to take things quite *this* slow, but at least it's not completely out of left field. I'd note that DC *did* say from the beginning that they were planning to take it slow with Batwoman, and not rush into a new series or anything.

I don't think anyone expected them to take things quite *this* slow, but at least it's not completely out of left field.

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By: J to the AAP http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-561200 J to the AAP Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:23:28 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-561200 <blockquote>it just seems to me that these non-superpowered strong female types could also be straight. I mean at least one of them.</blockquote>Like Barbara Gordon?

it just seems to me that these non-superpowered strong female types could also be straight. I mean at least one of them.

Like Barbara Gordon?

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By: Apodaca http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-560831 Apodaca Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:56:40 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-560831 Shameful. There's no other word. Shameful. There's no other word.

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By: red-Ricky http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-560798 red-Ricky Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:23:03 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-560798 <blockquote> Why DC would take massive mainstream exposure for one of their new characters and almost instantly flush that down the toilet. </blockquote> Probably because of negative feedback. And it could've come from concerned parents, institutions and/or higher-ups at Time-Warner. I mean, everybody's heard the saying "any publicity is good publicity", right? Well, that may not apply to Batman, Superman, Mickey Mouse or any other "age friendly" property. When it comes to those characters, people want their mythos pure as snow; and "negative publicity is NOT CONSIDERED good publicity". In fact, it can get you fired. <b>Now, I don't think that's the case with Batwoman.</b> But you have to admit that, to the world at large, Lesbian characters are perceived to be pandering to schoolboy fantasies... and as a result, are taken "less seriously" than their male gay counterparts. So, from a business standpoint, I can see why some people would ask: "What's Batwoman's purpose? What does she bring to the table? <b>By being gay, it's obvious that she won't be considered a potential love interest for Batman; and any tension or conflict that she could provide, could be construed as Batman being politacally incorrect!!!"</b> In the end, and I could be wrong, I think her purpose was to infuse the 52 Comic Book series with a "Bat-Presence" that was lacking on account of Batman, Robin and Nightwing being away. If her story didn't catch on, and writers are not interested, I could see her falling through the cracks. The fact of the matter is that DC had a more profitable franchise with their new Batgirl Character and revitalizing her should be their top priority. Consequently, Batwoman will have to wait.

Why DC would take massive mainstream exposure for one of their new characters and almost instantly flush that down the toilet.

Probably because of negative feedback. And it could've come from concerned parents, institutions and/or higher-ups at Time-Warner.

I mean, everybody's heard the saying "any publicity is good publicity", right? Well, that may not apply to Batman, Superman, Mickey Mouse or any other "age friendly" property. When it comes to those characters, people want their mythos pure as snow; and "negative publicity is NOT CONSIDERED good publicity". In fact, it can get you fired.

Now, I don't think that's the case with Batwoman. But you have to admit that, to the world at large, Lesbian characters are perceived to be pandering to schoolboy fantasies... and as a result, are taken "less seriously" than their male gay counterparts.

So, from a business standpoint, I can see why some people would ask: "What's Batwoman's purpose? What does she bring to the table? By being gay, it's obvious that she won't be considered a potential love interest for Batman; and any tension or conflict that she could provide, could be construed as Batman being politacally incorrect!!!"

In the end, and I could be wrong, I think her purpose was to infuse the 52 Comic Book series with a "Bat-Presence" that was lacking on account of Batman, Robin and Nightwing being away.

If her story didn't catch on, and writers are not interested, I could see her falling through the cracks. The fact of the matter is that DC had a more profitable franchise with their new Batgirl Character and revitalizing her should be their top priority.

Consequently, Batwoman will have to wait.

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By: Ford MF http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-560669 Ford MF Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:44:54 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-560669 I think the question here is not so much whether or not Batwoman deserves her own book (debateable; write any character well enough, and they'd "deserve" a book), but why DC would take massive mainstream exposure for one of their new characters and almost instantly flush that down the toilet. Seriously, when was the last time a new character for Marvel or DC got a write-up in the NYT? Never? I think the question here is not so much whether or not Batwoman deserves her own book (debateable; write any character well enough, and they'd "deserve" a book), but why DC would take massive mainstream exposure for one of their new characters and almost instantly flush that down the toilet. Seriously, when was the last time a new character for Marvel or DC got a write-up in the NYT? Never?

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By: Alan Coil http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-560491 Alan Coil Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:34:17 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-560491 Well, as Rucka was the driving force behind the character, and he no longer wants to work for DC, I can see that the character would slide into non-use. Well, as Rucka was the driving force behind the character, and he no longer wants to work for DC, I can see that the character would slide into non-use.

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By: MarkAndrew http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-560481 MarkAndrew Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:30:05 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-560481 Courtney Whitmore? Maxine Hunkel? The new Shining Knight and Bulleteer? Spoiler? Veronica Cale? Silver Shannon from the Power Company? Cassie and Helena Sandsmark? Dr. Morlo from Impulse? Courtney Whitmore? Maxine Hunkel? The new Shining Knight and Bulleteer? Spoiler? Veronica Cale? Silver Shannon from the Power Company? Cassie and Helena Sandsmark? Dr. Morlo from Impulse?

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By: Thok http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-560455 Thok Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:14:44 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-560455 <blockquote>Why is it that every strong female character DC created in the last 15 years have to be a lesbian?</blockquote> Kate Spencer? Sasha Bordeaux?

Why is it that every strong female character DC created in the last 15 years have to be a lesbian?

Kate Spencer? Sasha Bordeaux?

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By: Krod http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-560417 Krod Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:43:41 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-560417 Can we avoid calling the guy a bigot? No? Too much? Can we avoid calling the guy a bigot? No? Too much?

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By: Jack Norris http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-560407 Jack Norris Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:39:52 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/24/the-whole-batwoman-thing/#comment-560407 ny_jet: No, they haven't, no they weren't, it seems that you do, and sure, they could, and, what's more, plenty have been. ny_jet:
No, they haven't, no they weren't, it seems that you do, and sure, they could, and, what's more, plenty have been.

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