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Comics Should Be Good’s Top 100 Comic Book Runs

Here is the Top 100 Comic Book Runs poll!

Vote for your top 10 top (and by top, I mean your favorites) comic book runs by creators by 11:59 Eastern on March 31st, and I’ll count down the top vote-getters in early April!!

PLEASE NOTE: If you voted before March 9th, and have not voted again, please re-vote, as the votes prior to then have been lost (almost all have since been re-voted, though, which was greatly appreciated, folks!).

Simply list your top ten (and please pick 10) from your top choice, to your bottom choice, in the comments below.

Your top choice will be given 10 points, your second choice 9, etc.

Here are the following guidelines:

1. If a writer worked on a book for less than 100 issues, that can be considered “a run,” even if he/she worked with different artists.

2. If a writer is on a book for more than 100 issues, you have to match the writer with an artist (like, you can’t say Claremont’s X-Men, you have to say Claremont/Byrne, Claremont/Smith, etc. – heck, you can make up most of your list just with Claremont’s various X-Men runs!).

There are three notable exceptions to this rule (so notable that really, this is only designed to apply to Lee’s Spider-Man and Claremont’s X-Men) – you can say Hama’s GI Joe, Gruenwald’s Captain America and David’s Hulk (and if Ennis has done 100 issues of The Punisher, then you can say Ennis’ Punisher, too).

3. The run has to last at least 6 issues (of an ongoing title).

4. Only ongoing comic book series count (Books with clear endpoints over multiple years can still count as ongoing titles, such as Preacher, Cerebus, Bone, Sandman, Y the Last Man, Planetary, Promethea, etc. – this is only to discount mini-series and maxi-series, such as Watchmen and Squadron Supreme)

5. Series of mini-series count as ongoing (Astro City, Hellboy, etc.)

6. I may combine runs in the interest of fairness (for instance, Weir and DeFilippis’ New Mutants run is really the same as their New X-Men run).

7. I’ll make various other decisions in the interest of fairness!! Like allowing Eisner’s the Spirit or Morrison’s Seven Soldiers!

Remember, please include the following word: ACBC – on your ballot. It will make it so your ballot appears invisible to other readers, so only I can read it (and count your vote secretly).

Most importantly, have fun!

Now vote! :)

147 Comments

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Wow.

This is a message — saying Watchmen must be allowed.
Ammend your rule NOW Brian, before anyone re-votes.
The next annoying glitch could be a freaking brain aneurism.

Watchmen must be allowed.

Just ask plok.

Ha!!

It IS a nice opportunity for folks to reconsider their choices! :)

Watchmen really does push me to the limit, but I think it still just doesn’t count (I was really, really torn on that point, though – I just couldn’t see it as an ongoing, so I couldn’t get myself to count it).

In spirit, though, I agree with plok – if there ever WAS going to be an exemption, it WOULD be for Watchmen!

I’m down with the “no Watchmen” rule.

Picking 10 was hard enough without considering miniseries.

Save it for the top 100 story arcs (hint, hint Brian)

100 storylines IS a likely future choice, Chris!

But I’d also love to revisit Top 100 Writers and Artists, with the larger voting group.

I’d also be down for the writers/artists again.

More importantly than the larger voting audience, I’ve read one hell of a lot since then, and my votes would be drastically different.

I never got to vote in the original writers and artists poll. Would love the opportunity.

Writers and Artists would be cool, I missed that one. Now to remember what I voted for here the first time…

I actually like it that Watchmen isn’t allowed. It would predictably get first place, so let’s all consider that Watchmen is first already, and see the actual entries as comprising 2nd to 11th place.

Brian, what is the e-mail we should send the votes to?

Would 52 be eligible? Sure, it only ran a year, but they put out almost as many issues as Sandman or Y did in their entire runs.

Yeah, sure, go for it.

Vincent Paul Bartilucci

March 10, 2008 at 4:44 pm

Favorite story arcs? Nah, go the other way …

100 best done-in-one stories.

Heck, I imagine STORYLINES would be nuts by itself!

If I went to single issues, I can’t even imagine how crazy it’d be!

I revoted. I changed some things, however. Mainly because my former #1 choice is disqualified.

Theno

Thanks for revoting!

Thanks to everyone else who revoted, too!!

The biggest loss of the original thread– there were a lot of good suggestions in there! Still just a couple shy of recompiling my original list…

Patrick Joseph

March 11, 2008 at 5:39 pm

Sorry. I am shamed.

Ha!

S’all good, Patrick! :)

Thanks for voting.

I cant remember if anyone asked before, does League of Extraordinary Gentlemen count?

i’ve already submitted, and its probably not the place for it, but what about thigs like Akira and Optic nerve?

I sure hope Akira counts. I figured it would since it was published in more than six issues by an american company at one point.

Yeah, both Akira and Optic Nerve certainly count.

And yes, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen counts!

Bummer about the thread being deleted.

I won’t repost my entire suggestions list, but here’s a couple of runs I hope people won’t forget, and a few I forgot myself on my first list

Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips’ Sleeper
Peter Milligan and Mike Allred’s X-Force/X-statix
Ed Brubaker’s Deadenders
Peter Milligan’s Shade The Changing Man
David Mack’s Kabuki
Judd Winick’s Exiles
Katsuhiro Otomo’s Akira (looks like people remembered that one)
Sean McKeever’s Spider-Man Loves Mary-Jane

I am torn myself. I probably would consider a run as a particular writer/artist’s pass at characters which have been and will be written by other teams. But then I am heavily biased on the creator-owned/self-publishing side of things too.

So it’s gonna be a choice between anal retentiveness and moral righteousness…

Milligan & Bachalo’s Shade was one I forgot on my first pass, too. I wish they would put out more trades from that series.

I just posted mine, and then I wondered. It’s not ambiguous, is it, if I listed them like this:

10. my tenth-place choice
9. my ninth-place choice

1. my first-place choice

?

SanctumSanctorumComix

March 12, 2008 at 8:36 am

If WATCHMEN gets allowed then V FOR VENDETTA absolutely HAS to be as well.

As amazing as WATCHMEN was (and is), I consider “V” to be heads above it.

It might not be as dense a work, but it hits all the right points with me.

I didn’t vote earlier, but WILL be doing so soon.

If the 2nd MAGE series wasn’t such a let-down, I’d be tossing MAGE in there for a vote.
The first part of the “trilogy” is one of my all-time faves.

~P~
P-TOR

I just posted mine, and then I wondered. It’s not ambiguous, is it, if I listed them like this:

10. my tenth-place choice
9. my ninth-place choice
…
1. my first-place choice

?

So long as there are numbers on your list, it is not ambiguous. :)

Now, if you did the same list, withOUT numbers, then yeah, that’d be a bit ambiguous. ;)

If WATCHMEN gets allowed then V FOR VENDETTA absolutely HAS to be as well.

As amazing as WATCHMEN was (and is), I consider “V” to be heads above it.

It might not be as dense a work, but it hits all the right points with me.

I didn’t vote earlier, but WILL be doing so soon.

If the 2nd MAGE series wasn’t such a let-down, I’d be tossing MAGE in there for a vote.
The first part of the “trilogy” is one of my all-time faves.

~P~
P-TOR

Yeah, V wouldn’t count, either. Nor would New Frontier.

If I do a future “Top Storylines” list, then that’s where those stories (plus Batman Year One, Dark Knight Returns, etc.) will likely clean up.

5. Series of mini-series count as ongoing (Astro City, Hellboy, etc.)

Rule clarification: would Morrison’s 7 Soldiers be eligible? It was a series of minis.

Yeah, what the heck, let’s count Seven Soldiers.

What say you all about “chapters”? Like P-Tor, I love The Hero Discovered but not The Hero Defined. I love Brian Li-Sung but not Grendel-Prime. I love “Brief Lives” but not “World’s End”. If it’s a single writer/artist’s work, do you have to count it all as one? Plus, it seems the rules allow for one writer/multiple artist separation.

I think it’s better to just say Wagner’s Mage. You can specify WHICH ones you like, and if enough people say one particular, I’ll probably note it when the list goes up.

Alan Moores run on Swamp Thing back in the 80’s.

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I’m surprised you made the exception for David’s Hulk. I haven’t read it all the way through, so I won’t debate the decision, but from what I have read there certainly seem to be hugely different eras.

But the McFarlane era seems rather different than the Keown or Gary Frank stuff.

True it may have had more to do with the direction David wanted to go than the artist. It might just feel like a different comic whether the Hulk is grey or green, or whether he’s a dumb brute, a smart superhero, or a gangsta.

And while I agree with you philosophically about breaking up Claremont and Lee, I’m still going to blame you Brian for the absence of Silvestri’s X-Men and Dematteis’ Defenders from my list.

I didn’t at first, Chris. At first, I had David’s Hulk right there with Claremont and Lee (Stan, that is).

But then I slowly but surely eliminated all the other 100+ runs as really being dominated by the writer, so that left David’s Hulk in this weird spot – it wasn’t nearly as long as Claremont’s run, so it didn’t NEED to be split up, and at the same time, the artist pairing did not seem to jump out the same way Lee/Ditko and Lee/Romita did.

Even after all that, I still had it along with Claremont and Lee, until I started looking at the ballots cast, and I noticed that only one voter put more than one David Hulk run on their ballot (and this voter had the second David Hulk run at #10), so what was the point of what I was doing, really?

The only result seemed to be to bring down the point total for David’s Hulk run, so I figured it would be fairer for David’s run to have it as one solid run, even if, yes, David/Keown and David/McFarlane (and David/Frank and David/Purves, etc.) certainly do seem a bit more distinct than, say, Gruenwald/Dwyer or Gruenwald/Neary or Gruenwald/Levins, etc.

While my answer was absurdly long, hopefully it shows you that I am at least putting a lot of thought into these decisions. ;)

I’m still not sure where to sent this. Please advise.

I like thought and long answers, Brian! There are important matters!

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Great project Brian! But who, oh why, is that criteria of “must be an on-going run” instituted. By on-going do you mean active? If not I can still likely come up with a list, but it certainly won’t be my true list of bests. Some of the best runs out there have been the expired shorties, and some of the most mediocre have been the behemoths. Not only is Watchmen out? I mean that really is the best run. Period. But it is arbitrarly excluded. Cuti and Statons E-man can’t get on my list. Ditko’s Shade gets the heave-ho. As does Kirby’s New Gods! And Kamandi. Lee/Ditko’s or Steranko’s Strange Tales are excluded! And Moore’s Swamp Thing. That is not ongoing either! Dear Lord all my “bests” are out.

Okay… re-reading some. By ongoing do you just mean not pre-established minis? So unforseen canceled series are still good if more than 6 issues?

Exactly, benday. Just no minis. So Moore’s Swamp Thing, but no Watchmen. Eisner’s Spirit, but no Contract With God.

Maybe I should read E-Man one of these days. You’re not the first to speak highly of it.

Thanks Chris! Ill come up with my 10 real soon!

Yeah, so…

I’m an idiot.

Happens to the best of us…

I mean, for a while there I thought I was some dude with special peeping tom powers…

S’all good, Uther Dean!

Got to say I’m pretty impressed with myself. It took me ten minutes to come up with my list. And after a couple days of soul searching I stuck to my original group. Although half is going to be pretty obvious ones that most will vote for and the other half will be at the bottom of the list. Oh well.

So, wait, are we putting our lists here, or are we emailling them? And if so, where do they get mailed to?

You post it here. Just write the code at the top of the post so nobody but Brian can see it.

Post it here Gordon, but read the directions at the top of the page too. There’s something you need to write in the post to make it invisible.

Oh, and oops Brian. I had tried to be helpful but failed.

There are some peculiarities I’ve noticed as a Spider-man fan, though it’s probably true of some other franchises.

There are often cases when a writer left one book for another with the same characters, such as Roger Stern leaving Spectacular Spider-Man for Amazing Spider-Man, or Ed Brubaker leaving Batman to work on Detective Comics. Should such instances count as one run or two?

While Peter David was writing Spectacular Spider-Man, he also wrote two of his best Spider-Man stories as one-shot issues for Amazing Spider-Man (the Commuter tale) and Web of Spider-Man (a confrontation with J Jonah Jameson.) Should the latter two stories count for Peter David when considering whether his Spider-Man work is a great run? Likewise, should Spectacular Spider-Man #2 be considered a factor when considering Lee/ Romita’s Spider-Man work?

Some Spider-man fans are considering Dematteis/ Zeck Spider-Man. Their run consists of a six issue crossover (two issues each of Amazing Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man and Web of Spider-Man) and a one-shot. Is this valid?

Yeah, DeMatteis/Zeck can count, but if you wanted to incorporate it, you could also just say DeMatteis’ Spider-Man (which would include his other Spider-Man work, too).

Same with PAD and Stern – if you want to just say “David’s Spider-Man” or “Stern’s Spider-Man,” that’s fine by me – I’d accept that.

Good, good. Because who would want to vote for any Dematteis Spider-Man while ignoring Marvel Team-Up #119 or Spectacular Spider-Man #189?

Bernard the Poet

March 17, 2008 at 10:58 am

V for Vendetta definitely started as an open-ended series in Warrior magazine. It was only later that Moore decided to condense it into a mini-series for DC. I really think you should allow it.

Also how strict is the minimum of six issues rule? Jim Steranko only worked on three issues of Captain America, but it is still a clear and coherent run. Oh go on, otherwise, I’m going to end up with three X-Men runs in my top ten, and I won’t be able to look in the mirror if that happens.

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So that means Bryan Talbot’s Luther Arkwright is in as it’s a couple of limited series (The Adventures of Luther Arkwright and Heart of Empire)?

If it is, then anyone here voting for one of the British invasion guys and NOT including Talbot’s Arkwright should be ashamed. I mean, issue 1 of Heart of Empire had fan letters and drawings from Alan Moore, Grant Morrison and Garth Ennis amongst others.

And let me say that I am the first to hang my head in shame as I only thought of Talbot’s Arkwright a few minutes ago…

Before I submit my picks, I have a few series where I don’t know if they’d qualify.

Nextwave (12-issue series, probably not meant as a maxi)

Top Ten (12-issue series, probably a maxi)

The Adventures of Barry Ween (12 issues spread out over three miniseries)

V for Vendetta definitely started as an open-ended series in Warrior magazine. It was only later that Moore decided to condense it into a mini-series for DC. I really think you should allow it.

Also how strict is the minimum of six issues rule? Jim Steranko only worked on three issues of Captain America, but it is still a clear and coherent run. Oh go on, otherwise, I’m going to end up with three X-Men runs in my top ten, and I won’t be able to look in the mirror if that happens.

If V was meant as an ongoing, then I’m sorry for getting it wrong – but it’s best to still keep it off the list, as so many people have voted without it on their list.

It can be on the (sometime in the future) “Top Storylines” list!

As for Steranko, yeah, sure, I’ll give him an exception, too, if you’d like to vote for his run.

Jason, all three of those count.

Nextwave, as you note, was intended as an ongoing.

As to the other two, they count under the “series of mini-series” rule.

So that means Bryan Talbot’s Luther Arkwright is in as it’s a couple of limited series (The Adventures of Luther Arkwright and Heart of Empire)?

If it is, then anyone here voting for one of the British invasion guys and NOT including Talbot’s Arkwright should be ashamed. I mean, issue 1 of Heart of Empire had fan letters and drawings from Alan Moore, Grant Morrison and Garth Ennis amongst others.

And let me say that I am the first to hang my head in shame as I only thought of Talbot’s Arkwright a few minutes ago…

Similar to the V for Vendetta point, better to just consider it not eligible, as it would be unfair for it, as I doubt many folks considered it eligible when they voted.

Thanks, Brian. Damn, I got the top two or three in my head, but the next seven are gonna be tough to sort out.

If it is, then anyone here voting for one of the British invasion guys and NOT including Talbot’s Arkwright should be ashamed. I mean, issue 1 of Heart of Empire had fan letters and drawings from Alan Moore, Grant Morrison and Garth Ennis amongst others.

I quite enjoyed Heart of the Empire, not so much the original series, but either way there’s no way either of those series’ would even hit my top 100 list.

Most of my choices are pretty obvious. The least obvious would be JMS’s Rising Stars. I just love the first half of it so much, that I’m willing to forgive the underwhelming second half.

Brian, do we have to vote again? I got confused when this thread appeared again in the CBR’s page. Or is it just to remind guys that didn’t revote after the first time the votes were lost?

Willingham/Buckingham’s Fables.

Would that count?

Yes, Will.

Brian, do we have to vote again? I got confused when this thread appeared again in the CBR’s page. Or is it just to remind guys that didn’t revote after the first time the votes were lost?

No, just if you have not re-voted since March 9th.

So you’re good, Rene.

Not very easy to decide on which run was the best.

Wolfman/Perez – New Teen Titans and Miller/Janson’s Daredevil would battle it out.

Here are some suggestions –

Wolfman/Perez – New Teen Titans
Frank Miller/Klaus Janson – Daredevil
Miller/Mazzuchelli – Daredevil
John Byrne – Fantastic Four
Walter Simonson – Thor
Englehart/Rogers – Detective Comics
John Byrne – Superman
Miller/Mazzuchelli – Batman
Levitz/Giffen/Mahlstedt – Legion of Superheroes
Claremont/Byrne – Uncanny X-Men
Ruka/Brubaker/Lark – Gotham Central
Wein/Perez – Wonder Woman
John Byrne – Wonder Woman
Ennis/Dillon – Preacher
Peter David/Martin Egeland – Aquaman
Brubaker/Epting – Captain America
Nocenti/JrJr – Daredevil
Nocenti/Weeks – Daredevil
Brubaker/Lark – Daredvil
Bendis/Maleev – Daredevil
Waid/Perez – Brave & Bold
Adams/Giordano – Green Lantern
Morrison/Porter – JLA
Giffen/DeMatties/Maguire – Justice League
Michelinie/Shooter/Perez/Byrne – Avengers
Busiek/Perez – Avengers
Bob Haney/Jim Aparo – Brave & Bold

whooooooooooppppsss

You did say 10 huh.

Just chop it off at 10. :)

scott

I cant believe someone listed David/Egeland/Caliafore Aquaman ………………….

I LOVED David/Egeland on Aquaman !!!!!!!!

Dale: I don’t think Miller/Mazzucchelli Batman made it to 6 issues.

Looking over the lists here merely remind me why i read comics.

Great stories, purty pictures !!!!

All of them great choices, Dale. Not too sure about Byrne’s Wonder Woman and Ostrander’s Heroes for Hire, though.

I’ve always loved the Michelinie/Shooter/Perez/Byrne Avengers, but there were so many people involved, that I wasn’t sure how to name the run (Steven Grant and Mark Gruenwald helped out in some issues too). :)

So I ended up not including it on my list, but perhaps I should.

Ugh – too many rules!
In other news, I love comics.

Believe you me, Ryan, I’d love to have, like, 1 rule, but it just wouldn’t work.

Do note that almost all of the rules are there just to protect against rules lawyering – for the most part, it really is as simple as “Name your top 10 favorite runs by creators on an ongoing series.”

My votes are about 8 posts up, but I just wanted to share my runners-up too…

Joe Kelly’s Deadpool!
Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing
Alan Moore’s Supreme
Alan Moore’s Marvelman/Miracleman
Larry Marder’s Tales of the Beanworld
John Marc DeMatteis’s Spider-Man
J. Michael Straczynski’s Spider-Man
Giffen/DeMatteis/Maguire Justice League
Priest & Bright’s Quantum & Woody
David Tischmann’s Cable
Vaughan & Alphona’s Runaways
Vaughan & Guerra’s Y: The Last Man
Vaughan & Harris’s Ex-Machina
Claremont/Lee’s X-Men
Claremont/Byrne’s X-Men
Claremont/Smith’s X-Men
Claremont/any-other-Claremont-artist-before-’92’s X-Men
Grant Morrison’s Animal Man
Joe Kelly’s X-Men
Steven T. Seagle’s House Of Secrets
Milligan/Allred’s X-Force/X-Statix
David Mack’s Kabuki
John Marc DeMatteis’s Man-Thing
Ennis/Dillon’s Preacher
Seagle’s Alpha Flight
Neil Gaiman’s Marvelman/Miracleman
Abnett/Lanning & Guice’s Resurrection Man
…and I’ve got a soft spot for Mark Gruenwald’s Quasar

Where in the rules does a two 13 issue run like Millar and Hitch on The Ultimates fall?

chris: series of miniseries, I think.

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It just dawned on me that I forgot about Priest’s BP run.

Ah well. I would have been annoyed to take anything off for it.

Done.
It has been harder than I thought.
First 3 or 4 came quickly, but after a while I had 20 runs to choose from.
For fairness, here are my honorable mentions :

Waid’s Flash
David’s Hulk
Ellis’ Excalibur
Ostrander/Mandrake Spectre
Grell’s Green Arrow
Byrne’s Alpha Flight
Michelinie/Layton Iron Man
Claremont/Silvestri X-Men
Lee/Kirby’s Fantastic Four
Ennis’ Punisher

What about pre-auteur eras? I’m thinking specifically about Silver Age Superman. Would that be Mort Weisinger’s Superman? Binder & Siegel/Swan & Plastino? Or limit it to a set of years? Or focus on one writer?

Where’s the love for pre-1980 work, folks?

Aaron Strange: What about pre-auteur eras? I’m thinking specifically about Silver Age Superman. Would that be Mort Weisinger’s Superman?

me: Yes. Weisinger was the auteur of those comics.

Similarly, contemporaneous issues of Green Lantern’s book were by Schwartz/Broome/Kane.

And I’m thinking of voting for Boltinoff’s/Haney’s B&B and maybe Super-Sons.

This was a tough question. Just to pare it down to ten. Difficult. Here are some of the runs that didn’t make my top ten, and for Daredevil fans, consider that I did include a DD run in my top ten.

Alan Moore’s Supreme
Frank Miller’s Daredevil
Bendis/Maleev Daredevil
Morrison’s New X-Men
Mark Waid’s Flash
Baron/Rude Nexus
Peter David’s Hulk
Jaime Hernandez’s Locas stories
Colleen Doran on A Distant Soil
Jeff Smith’s Bone
James Owen’s Starchild
Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four
Byrne’s FF
Walt Simonson’s Thor
Ostrander’s Grimjack
Grell’s Jon Sable
Ennis/Dillon on Preacher
Ellis/Robertson on Transmetropolitan

and no doubt a lot more that I am forgetting. Difficult but fun. Now I want to go back and re-read a lot of these.

exception for Lobdell/Davis Fantastic Four?

Yeah, sure, if you really want to vote for them, I’ll make an exception – doesn’t really seem to hurt anyone, right? :)

Okay, for fairness sake – Miller’s Daredevil is separate from Miller/Mazzucchelli’s Daredevil, right? I just wonder if it is wrong to punish Miller’s overall standing by counting them as separate votes? What do you folks think? Should they instead all count as Miller’s Daredevil, and I just note that X votes were specifically for Born Again? Or just count them as separate?

Just a couple of clarifications that I think you gave me before the near disaster. First, if a writer has multiple runs separated by several years that count less than 100 issues then are they counted as separate runs? For example, Peter David’s X-Factor runs. I can’t think of any actual examples, but what if the period you want to nominate on a more than 100 issue run had so many fill ins that you can’t really attach it to a specific artist? Also, possibly making the first point moot, are currently running runs eligible? And does anything with more than 1 mini count as a series of minis, validating Millar’s Ultimates?

Yeah, I think it’s probably fair to count David’s second X-Factor run separately, although I’d hate to hurt his tallies that way – but I think they’re different enough (and certainly spread out enough, time-wise) to merit it.

As for the more than 100 issues with no artist you could really attach to the book, I think it’s fair to just name the writer.

Currently running ongoing series count.

Millar’s Ultimates counts.

While it doesn’t affect my votes, I think I may not have been quite clear about the 100 issues with no attachable artist thing. It isn’t for cases when an entire 100+ issue run has no attachable artist, but when the period you want to nominate didn’t. For instance, if the Silvestri period that I love from Uncanny X-Men had been done with constantly changing artists instead of Silvestri with the occasional fill-in by Leonardi, then would I nominate it as Claremont’s Uncanny X-Men or Claremont’s Uncanny X-Men (1988-1989)?

I think Miller’s Batman should include all of his Daredevil stories as writer, including “Born Again” and “Man Without Fear.”

Edit, I meant to say “Miller’s Daredevil.”

I suspect Miller’s Batman is ineligible (though I’m not going to submit my list until someone confirms that.)

Josh Alexander

March 24, 2008 at 8:03 pm

Hey Brian…..

since it’s only a few days til the end of the vote, is there a run that has pulled out ahead, or is it still to close to call?

While it doesn’t affect my votes, I think I may not have been quite clear about the 100 issues with no attachable artist thing. It isn’t for cases when an entire 100+ issue run has no attachable artist, but when the period you want to nominate didn’t. For instance, if the Silvestri period that I love from Uncanny X-Men had been done with constantly changing artists instead of Silvestri with the occasional fill-in by Leonardi, then would I nominate it as Claremont’s Uncanny X-Men or Claremont’s Uncanny X-Men (1988-1989)?

Oh, sorry!

Yeah, I think they were steady enough that you could say Claremont/Silvestri and Leonardi, as they were basically were co-pencilers of the title at that time.

Hey Brian…..

since it’s only a few days til the end of the vote, is there a run that has pulled out ahead, or is it still to close to call?

In all honesty, Josh, I haven’t counted them in awhile. ;)

I think Miller’s Batman should include all of his Daredevil stories as writer, including “Born Again” and “Man Without Fear.”

. I’m definitely torn on it, Tom – but I dunno, I think it’s probably fair to say that Mazzucchelli has a lot to do with Born Again, too, ya know?

Dale Keown, Todd Mcfarlane and Adam Kubert have a lot to do with the success of Peter David’s Hulk run, while Steve Dillon contributed to the success of Garth Ennis’s The Punisher (as did Darick Robertson, Richard Corben and other artists.)

“Born Again” also worked fairly well in the context of Miller’s previous Daredevil run, with big moments for characters we had seen before (Lt Manolis, Turk, etc.) And it served as the high point for the Daredevil VS Kingpin “relationship” which Miller began.

And Frank Miller’s total Daredevil work as writer did not exceed one hundred issues, including two original graphic novels and a five issue mini series.

David’s run, though, was an ongoing thing.

Note that I’m also leaning towards counting David’s two X-Factor runs separately, and that’s basically the same thing as Miller’s DD (and Layton/Michelinie on Iron Man).

Don’t get me wrong, this is not some “I am definitively doing it this way!” thing. I appreciate you giving your thoughts on the matter, as I have not officially determined what I’m going to do with it yet.

I think you should see which way voters seem to choose it, then make a judgment call. We trust you.

I can tell you Miller’s DD almost made my list, and I’d have wanted everything he wrote including Born Again, Love & War, and Man Without Fear. My reasoning would have been your “100 issue or less” rule allowing it.

I see the question with David’s X-Factor though, as they seem like distinct entities the two runs, but splitting it up could really hurt, whereas X-Men and Spider-Man are going to get plenty of votes no matter how they’re counted. That may be the wrong way to look at things, though.

Kind of hard not to seperate Miller & Mazzuchelli’s Born Again. Like you I feel that Mazzuchelli’s contribution was significant.

Sorry, just to clarify, if we no longer see out posted top 10 in this thread – and I re-posted after you called for us to re-post because of the deletion – that means that you pulled them for tabulation, correct?

I don’t need to now post a third time, right?

KK

This was a hard list to do, so I limited myself to runs that I had read when they were published. Excluding two that I had read a few years later. It was fun revisiting my initial reactions to theses stories. I think my list is dated however, seeing as only 1 entry was published after 2000 and 2 entries in the 1990’s. But I think that is just me, I had to set my own criteria. So of course I have excluded lots of material that I have read after their published dates (Avengers, Spiderman, Thor, Captain America, anything by Jack Kirby, The Spirit, etc.) I however can conclude that I have read way too many comics. Of course I haven’t gotten into Flash Gordon, Dick Tracy, EC Comics. But I have noticed that some of the replies reflect this also. A lot of people have voted this way I believe.
Looking forward to seeing the results.

Sorry, just to clarify, if we no longer see out posted top 10 in this thread – and I re-posted after you called for us to re-post because of the deletion – that means that you pulled them for tabulation, correct?

I don’t need to now post a third time, right?

Correct, Ken.

Sorry if that confused anyone. You only needed to re-post ONCE.

Josh Alexander

March 26, 2008 at 1:51 pm

I knew i would forget a run. I loved Ruse.

Damn, how could I forget Miller on “Daredevil.”
Please, take out “X-Force” and put in my vote for Miller on “Daredevil” (the entire run).

OK, I just voted. First of all, it’s obvious I’m a Whorrison — but I make no apologies about that! Also, my ranking got a bit wonky there at the end. Ah well. I’m ultimately happy with the list.

A few that got away: DeMatteis’s Dr. Fate, Ostrander’s Suicide Squad, Perez’s Wonder Woman, Simone’s Birds of Prey. Also, the run is in no way over yet, but I have to say, I think Geoff Johns is doing possibly his best work on Green Lantern. I’m certainly impressed with the scope of the plotting, which is really world-building; and the characterizations of supporting cast members (heroes and villains alike) are evolving nicely too. Really, it could be a career-defining arc for him, even better than his Flash run. (And yes I realize his name isn’t held in high regard around here.) If we were doing this five years from now, his GL run with Ethan Van Sciver and Ivan Reis might well rank.

Anyway, getting away from the writer-centric notions: I wanted to include Dick Dillin’s amazing and lengthy run on the original Justice League of America … but he worked with a bunch of writers and some of those stories just aren’t very good. Still, there’s gotta be a place for him in some list. Maybe the Top 100 Artists, Brian?

Ennis/McCrea’s Hitman!

Why is it always forgotten?

Because DC in their wisdom haven’t published it all in trades… stupid DC… ruin Hitman’s chances… why I oughta…

I remembered Hitman. It’s one of my all-time favourite titles :)

Put it third, in fact :)

Without a doubt Peter David’s run on The Incredible Hulk should be up in the top 10 somewhere. He redefined the character and was on the book for 12 years, bringing many amazing stories to life. He has to be on there.

Err… maybe I missed something, but where do I vote? Is it in this comment section or did I miss a link to a ballot page?

(feeling very un-interweb savvy right now)

I don’t suppose there is anyway that Arthur Adam’s work back in the day on Claremount X-Men annuals can be considered. I don’t even know how many he did, but I’d add in the New Mutants annual he did as well. Those were awesome.

I would like to throw Louise Simonson’s run on Power Pack but I forget if she was the actual author.

So far I’ve got a “short list” of about 15 noteworthy runs that I’m seriously considering, and several other good runs have fallen by the wayside as I asked myself: “Did I really think that was GREAT? Do I actually go back and reread it, or a big chunk of it, often enough to prove it’s still got its hooks in me after all these years?”

Amichai: I haven’t voted yet, but as I understand it, what you do is put your vote right here in the window for posting on this page, and then make sure you have the “code letters” at the start of your message before you click on “Submit Comment.” I’m afraid to type those letters out for fear they’ll turn this post into a “vote,” but if you scroll back to the very top of this page, you’ll see where, near the end of the original post, Brian says: Remember, please include the following word: and then the next thing after that is the four-letter string you should stick into your message. Having that string in there is supposed to turn your vote “invisible” so that the rest of us can’t see what you posted.

P.S. One other tip: I’m typing out, and saving, my ideas for my vote in Notepad, so that if anything goes wrong with the software on here at a critical moment, I won’t lose all my work and have to start typing it out from scratch for the second time!

By the way, I’ve thought of a question for Brian about the rules! I don’t think I saw this one when I read down through the thread a day or two ago.

What if the writer has written stories for all (or nearly all) of the issues in a run that’s more than 100 issues long, and what if a single artist has also been illustrating that writer’s scripts all along?

One example would be Erik Larsen’s long run on “Savage Dragon.”

You said that if we love a run wherein the writer worked on the same title for more than 100 issues, then we needed to narrow it down in our voting by focusing on a selected period wherein the writer had one particular artist as his steady partner in the creative process. So we couldn’t just vote for “Claremont’s first run on X-Men” as a single unit (which lasted what, almost 200 issues, plus the occasional spinoff series and miniseries and graphic novel and annual and so forth?), but we could fill up our ballot with several different X-Men runs by “Claremont/Whoever-the-artist-was-that-year,” as separate items!

But if I wanted to vote for Larsen’s run as the writer on Savage Dragon, and if I then obediently “narrowed it down” to just those issues which are written and illustrated by the Larsen/Larsen creative team, wouldn’t that mean I was:

A) rigidly adhering to your rules about “limiting” my vote to a certain writer/artist team as a single unit for voting purposes, and

B) simultaneously voting for a run which included more than than 100 issues without one “regular artist” ever being replaced by another along the way?

When I first wrote the list, I had a specific rule just for that point, Larry, but then I realized that all I said for over 100 issues was to specify a particular artist, so in the case of, say, Savage Dragon, you could specify Larsen as the artist.

In other words, yeah, if someone works on a title for more than 100 issues, you can list them (Sim/Gerhard, Larsen, I’m sure others).

Interesting picks by zilch. Only one of those runs was on my top ten, but I did like most of them very much.

Seriously, though, Lee/Kirby X-Men and Byrne FF ahead of Kirby/Fantastic Four or Thor?
Wow.

That was hard…

runs that just didn’t make my cut:

Morrison/Porter -JLA
Morrison-Animal Man
Gerber-Howard the Duck
Robinson-Starman
Ennis-Hitman
Ennis-Punisher
Moore-Swamp Thing
Johnson/Williams-Chase
Waid-Captain America (the second run over the first believe it or not)
Moore -Miracle Man
Ostrander-Suicide Squad
Ostrander-The Spectre
Baron/Rude-Nexus

I don’t know that many runs, but here are my votes.

Waid/Weiringo on “Fantastic Four”
Gaiman on “Sandman” (too vague?)

I just realized I completely forgot about Rucka’s Queen and Country, and Raspler and Madan’s Young Heroes in Love and Wagner’s Grendel.

shucks. I hope they make the list anyway…

Seriously, though, Lee/Kirby X-Men and Byrne FF ahead of Kirby/Fantastic Four or Thor?
Wow.

Another reason for private ballots. ;)

Damn. Missed that thing to make the ballot invisible.

Oh well. I’m not ashamed of my choices. No biggie.

Well, just now I went through my notes from a couple of days ago, and gradually narrowed it down to eleven runs (which meant deleting several other serious contenders). Now I’m trying to figure out which of the 11 gets the ax. No matter what I do, I’m going to feel guilty . . .

Fixed it for you, spiffy!

And I wasn’t saying anyone should be ashamed of their picks, just that by keeping them private, we avoid having OTHER people make fun of them (among the other reasons for keeping it private, like keeping it a surprise how the voting is going).

Got it, Brian. Thanks!

I guess what I kind of meant was that if people want to pick my picks apart, I’m not vested enough in their opinions of me to CARE all that much!

Although I get your reasons. Not everyone can be that blase, and you don’t want flamewars.

Personally, my picks were weighed heavily towards runs I actually read, either originally or in reprint. I mean some of the “what’s the greatest” nitpicking that goes on ignores the very real fact that even the most devoted of us can’t read everything. I mean, for example, people always tell me how great Peter David’s Hulk is, but the problem is that I’ve just never gotten around to reading it. How in good conscience could I vote for something I haven’t read? Even if it means something lesser slips onto my list, well… I can only call it like I saw it.

Another problem is Spider-Man. I mean part of me wants to just put EVERY writer from its great years in there, but if I did that? What else would be on my list?

Brian — I just realized that somewhere over the weekend, I had completely forgotten that in the original post you said we were supposed to number our ballots from “top” to “bottom.” I was rereading the rules of the game just now, and it leaped out at me (a little late).

I numbered my votes just to help me keep count as I gradually eliminated “also-rans” from my notes, but they weren’t arranged in any special order. Is there anything I can do about that at this point, or should I just learn to live with it?

Just repost your list in the right order, Larry, I’ll delete the first one after you post the second one.

Shoot. I listed them from bottom (10) to top (my #1 pick). Should I revote?

Hey Brian, here’s another dopey question about voting. I did several days back, and added those four key letters at the top of my post. But I can still see my list on the comments thread (even after many days), although it also notes, at the top of my post, “Your comment is awaiting moderation.” So does that mean it’s invisible to everyone but me?

Like Spiffy says, it’s no biggie. But I’m curious about how WordPress works, I guess.

Yeah, same here, Rebis. But since I can’t see yours, I assume you can’t see mine, so that now re-assures me. This was really hard. Here were my runners-up:

11. Claremont and Byrne’s X-Men
12. Moore and Davis’s Captain Britain
13. Grell’s Jon Sable, Freelance
14. Starlin’s Dreadstar
15. Levitz and Giffen’s Legion of Super-Heroes
16. O’Neil and Adams’ Green Lantern/Green Arrow
17. Kirby’s Original Fourth World
18. Starlin’s Warlock
19. Morrison and Truog’s Animal Man
20. Grell’s Warlord
21. Ostrander and O’Donnel’s The Suicide Squad
22. Miller and Mazzuchelli’s Daredevil
23. Englehart and Rogers’ Detective Comics
24. Davis’ second run on Excalibur
25. Verheiden and O’Donnel’s The Phantom
26. Grant and Breyfogle’s Detective Comics
27. Stern and Smith’s Dr. Strange
28. O’Neil and Cowan’s The Question
29. Wein and Wrightson’s Swamp Thing
30. Goodwin and Simonson’s Manhunter
31. Conway, Colan and Newton’s Detective Comics
32. Moore and Williams III’s Promethea
33. Starlin’s Captain Marvel
34. David and McFarlane’s Hulk
35. Englehart and Rogers’ Silver Surfer

In order to winnow it down, I limited myself to just runs with the same writer AND artist. As you can see, I still had a lot spillover.

I’m a lot more interested in this one than I was in the top characters poll. I’ve been always more of a fan of specific creators and stories than of specific characters.

Anyone care to make preditions? Here are mine:

– DC Silver Age stuff will have a lot less votes than expected. It’s like the Bible – many consider it Holy and the True Way, but not as many have read it and enjoyed it. And it’s also not as associated with specific writers and pencillers.

– Converselly, Marvel stuff from the 1960s will have a lot of votes.

– Byrne and Claremont stuff will have a lot of votes, also despite many people badmouthing them, a lot of fans cut their teeth on their works. Marvel 1980s will have a lot of votes too.

– Gerber’s Howard the Duck will have more votes than it would have a year ago, when Gerber was still alive.

– The only Pre-Crisis DC stuff to have lots of votes will be Green Lantern/Green Arrow, Wolfman/Perez Teen Titans, Levitz/Giffen Legion of Superheroes, and 1970’s Batman.

– Except for David’s Hulk, there will be no love for anything Marvel did in the 1990s.

– There will be no love for early Image Comics either, from before the Image founders started to hire cool writers.

Older than your realize! Barr/ Rude? (I had BARON-Rude Nexus at number one, so I’m old too.)

Does a series of OGN’s count? For example, would Scott Pilgrim count, or the Girlfriend trilogy by Jeffrey Brown?

Also, does Action Philosophers count as an on-going? It ran 12 issues.

Crap! I forgot Lee/Ditko Dr. Strange! Ah, screw it, I’ve got enough Silver Age Marvel on there. Sleeper, Milligan and Allred X-Force (not so much X-Statix), Miller DD, Morrison Animal Man, JLA, and 7 Soldiers, Black and White by Matsumoto (the one manga I’ve read all of), O’Neil’s Batman, and Blue Monday all could have made that ten spot. This also reminds me that I have a lot of runs to start (or finish) reading.

Did anyone try to get Miller’s Batman counted as a series of minis or something? ‘Cause that would have to go on there if you’d allow it.

It’s funny how this opens the floodgates on comics you forgot. Especially if your original list came to you during a really long, boring lunch hour.

On the subject of runners-up: I’ll just mention some big names who didn’t end up being represented by anything on my “Top Ten,” although each of them has been involved in at least one run (sometimes several) which sprang into my mind as I was trying to work out a “long list” of serious contenders, before I started culling the herd. Somewhat to my surprise, I ended up omitting anything by the following:

Chris Claremont
John Byrne
Roger Stern
James Robinson
Roy Thomas
Tom DeFalco
Steve Englehart
Erik Larsen
Paul Levitz
Grant Morrison
Gerard Jones
Mark Waid
Walt Simonson
Denny O’Neil
Mark Gruenwald
D.G. Chichester
Kurt Busiek
And probably others who aren’t occurring to me on the spur of the moment, but whose runs on one thing or another still came reasonably close to making it to the Top Ten Favorites in my mind.

On the other hand, I don’t think I even seriously considered voting for any theoretically qualified “runs” I’ve ever read by Warren Ellis, Brian Michael Bendis, Garth Ennis, Geoff Johns, J.M. DeMatteis, Alan Grant, Jeph Loeb, or Ann Nocenti. I don’t say those people never entertained me — just about all of them have definitely done so, at various times! — but by and large their writing styles don’t seem to fit neatly into whatever it takes to come anywhere near being “one of my all-time favorites.” I understand that a great many people feel differently about it in one or another of those cases.

The 100 issues rule is utterly bizzare, there aren’t that many series that have done that. 20 plus issues on anything would be good as most writers only seem to stick around for 20 issues unless it’s their own series.

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