Comments on: Comics Should Be Good's Top 100 Comic Book Runs http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:15:18 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: lead sharp http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-672506 lead sharp Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:44:54 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-672506 The 100 issues rule is utterly bizzare, there aren't that many series that have done that. 20 plus issues on anything would be good as most writers only seem to stick around for 20 issues unless it's their own series. The 100 issues rule is utterly bizzare, there aren't that many series that have done that. 20 plus issues on anything would be good as most writers only seem to stick around for 20 issues unless it's their own series.

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By: Contests Should Be Good « Goki’s Giving Groin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-657135 Contests Should Be Good « Goki’s Giving Groin Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:38:48 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-657135 [...] http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/ [...] [...] http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/ [...]

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By: Lorendiac http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-635254 Lorendiac Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:50:26 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-635254 On the subject of runners-up: I'll just mention some big names who didn't end up being represented by anything on my "Top Ten," although each of them has been involved in at least one run (sometimes several) which sprang into my mind as I was trying to work out a "long list" of serious contenders, before I started culling the herd. Somewhat to my surprise, I ended up omitting anything by the following: Chris Claremont John Byrne Roger Stern James Robinson Roy Thomas Tom DeFalco Steve Englehart Erik Larsen Paul Levitz Grant Morrison Gerard Jones Mark Waid Walt Simonson Denny O'Neil Mark Gruenwald D.G. Chichester Kurt Busiek And probably others who aren't occurring to me on the spur of the moment, but whose runs on one thing or another still came reasonably close to making it to the Top Ten Favorites in my mind. On the other hand, I don't think I even seriously considered voting for any theoretically qualified "runs" I've ever read by Warren Ellis, Brian Michael Bendis, Garth Ennis, Geoff Johns, J.M. DeMatteis, Alan Grant, Jeph Loeb, or Ann Nocenti. I don't say those people never entertained me -- just about all of them have definitely done so, at various times! -- but by and large their writing styles don't seem to fit neatly into whatever it takes to come anywhere near being "one of my all-time favorites." I understand that a great many people feel differently about it in one or another of those cases. On the subject of runners-up: I'll just mention some big names who didn't end up being represented by anything on my "Top Ten," although each of them has been involved in at least one run (sometimes several) which sprang into my mind as I was trying to work out a "long list" of serious contenders, before I started culling the herd. Somewhat to my surprise, I ended up omitting anything by the following:

Chris Claremont
John Byrne
Roger Stern
James Robinson
Roy Thomas
Tom DeFalco
Steve Englehart
Erik Larsen
Paul Levitz
Grant Morrison
Gerard Jones
Mark Waid
Walt Simonson
Denny O'Neil
Mark Gruenwald
D.G. Chichester
Kurt Busiek
And probably others who aren't occurring to me on the spur of the moment, but whose runs on one thing or another still came reasonably close to making it to the Top Ten Favorites in my mind.

On the other hand, I don't think I even seriously considered voting for any theoretically qualified "runs" I've ever read by Warren Ellis, Brian Michael Bendis, Garth Ennis, Geoff Johns, J.M. DeMatteis, Alan Grant, Jeph Loeb, or Ann Nocenti. I don't say those people never entertained me -- just about all of them have definitely done so, at various times! -- but by and large their writing styles don't seem to fit neatly into whatever it takes to come anywhere near being "one of my all-time favorites." I understand that a great many people feel differently about it in one or another of those cases.

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By: Brad Curran http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-634675 Brad Curran Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:04:26 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-634675 It's funny how this opens the floodgates on comics you forgot. Especially if your original list came to you during a really long, boring lunch hour. It's funny how this opens the floodgates on comics you forgot. Especially if your original list came to you during a really long, boring lunch hour.

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By: Brad Curran http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-634670 Brad Curran Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:03:21 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-634670 Did anyone try to get Miller's Batman counted as a series of minis or something? 'Cause that would have to go on there if you'd allow it. Did anyone try to get Miller's Batman counted as a series of minis or something? 'Cause that would have to go on there if you'd allow it.

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By: Brad Curran http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-634666 Brad Curran Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:01:53 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-634666 Crap! I forgot Lee/Ditko Dr. Strange! Ah, screw it, I've got enough Silver Age Marvel on there. Sleeper, Milligan and Allred X-Force (not so much X-Statix), Miller DD, Morrison Animal Man, JLA, and 7 Soldiers, Black and White by Matsumoto (the one manga I've read all of), O'Neil's Batman, and Blue Monday all could have made that ten spot. This also reminds me that I have a lot of runs to start (or finish) reading. Crap! I forgot Lee/Ditko Dr. Strange! Ah, screw it, I've got enough Silver Age Marvel on there. Sleeper, Milligan and Allred X-Force (not so much X-Statix), Miller DD, Morrison Animal Man, JLA, and 7 Soldiers, Black and White by Matsumoto (the one manga I've read all of), O'Neil's Batman, and Blue Monday all could have made that ten spot. This also reminds me that I have a lot of runs to start (or finish) reading.

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By: Anonymous http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-634491 Anonymous Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:21:42 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-634491 Does a series of OGN's count? For example, would Scott Pilgrim count, or the Girlfriend trilogy by Jeffrey Brown? Also, does Action Philosophers count as an on-going? It ran 12 issues. Does a series of OGN's count? For example, would Scott Pilgrim count, or the Girlfriend trilogy by Jeffrey Brown?

Also, does Action Philosophers count as an on-going? It ran 12 issues.

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By: Matt Bird http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-634385 Matt Bird Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:34:47 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-634385 Older than your realize! Barr/ Rude? (I had BARON-Rude Nexus at number one, so I'm old too.) Older than your realize! Barr/ Rude? (I had BARON-Rude Nexus at number one, so I'm old too.)

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By: Rene http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-634353 Rene Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:03:26 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-634353 I'm a lot more interested in this one than I was in the top characters poll. I've been always more of a fan of specific creators and stories than of specific characters. Anyone care to make preditions? Here are mine: - DC Silver Age stuff will have a lot less votes than expected. It's like the Bible - many consider it Holy and the True Way, but not as many have read it and enjoyed it. And it's also not as associated with specific writers and pencillers. - Converselly, Marvel stuff from the 1960s will have a lot of votes. - Byrne and Claremont stuff will have a lot of votes, also despite many people badmouthing them, a lot of fans cut their teeth on their works. Marvel 1980s will have a lot of votes too. - Gerber's Howard the Duck will have more votes than it would have a year ago, when Gerber was still alive. - The only Pre-Crisis DC stuff to have lots of votes will be Green Lantern/Green Arrow, Wolfman/Perez Teen Titans, Levitz/Giffen Legion of Superheroes, and 1970's Batman. - Except for David's Hulk, there will be no love for anything Marvel did in the 1990s. - There will be no love for early Image Comics either, from before the Image founders started to hire cool writers. I'm a lot more interested in this one than I was in the top characters poll. I've been always more of a fan of specific creators and stories than of specific characters.

Anyone care to make preditions? Here are mine:

- DC Silver Age stuff will have a lot less votes than expected. It's like the Bible - many consider it Holy and the True Way, but not as many have read it and enjoyed it. And it's also not as associated with specific writers and pencillers.

- Converselly, Marvel stuff from the 1960s will have a lot of votes.

- Byrne and Claremont stuff will have a lot of votes, also despite many people badmouthing them, a lot of fans cut their teeth on their works. Marvel 1980s will have a lot of votes too.

- Gerber's Howard the Duck will have more votes than it would have a year ago, when Gerber was still alive.

- The only Pre-Crisis DC stuff to have lots of votes will be Green Lantern/Green Arrow, Wolfman/Perez Teen Titans, Levitz/Giffen Legion of Superheroes, and 1970's Batman.

- Except for David's Hulk, there will be no love for anything Marvel did in the 1990s.

- There will be no love for early Image Comics either, from before the Image founders started to hire cool writers.

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By: Matt Bird http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-634299 Matt Bird Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:51:01 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-634299 Yeah, same here, Rebis. But since I can't see yours, I assume you can't see mine, so that now re-assures me. This was really hard. Here were my runners-up: 11. Claremont and Byrne’s X-Men 12. Moore and Davis’s Captain Britain 13. Grell’s Jon Sable, Freelance 14. Starlin’s Dreadstar 15. Levitz and Giffen’s Legion of Super-Heroes 16. O’Neil and Adams’ Green Lantern/Green Arrow 17. Kirby’s Original Fourth World 18. Starlin’s Warlock 19. Morrison and Truog’s Animal Man 20. Grell’s Warlord 21. Ostrander and O’Donnel’s The Suicide Squad 22. Miller and Mazzuchelli’s Daredevil 23. Englehart and Rogers’ Detective Comics 24. Davis’ second run on Excalibur 25. Verheiden and O’Donnel’s The Phantom 26. Grant and Breyfogle’s Detective Comics 27. Stern and Smith’s Dr. Strange 28. O’Neil and Cowan’s The Question 29. Wein and Wrightson’s Swamp Thing 30. Goodwin and Simonson’s Manhunter 31. Conway, Colan and Newton’s Detective Comics 32. Moore and Williams III’s Promethea 33. Starlin’s Captain Marvel 34. David and McFarlane’s Hulk 35. Englehart and Rogers’ Silver Surfer In order to winnow it down, I limited myself to just runs with the same writer AND artist. As you can see, I still had a lot spillover. Yeah, same here, Rebis. But since I can't see yours, I assume you can't see mine, so that now re-assures me. This was really hard. Here were my runners-up:

11. Claremont and Byrne’s X-Men
12. Moore and Davis’s Captain Britain
13. Grell’s Jon Sable, Freelance
14. Starlin’s Dreadstar
15. Levitz and Giffen’s Legion of Super-Heroes
16. O’Neil and Adams’ Green Lantern/Green Arrow
17. Kirby’s Original Fourth World
18. Starlin’s Warlock
19. Morrison and Truog’s Animal Man
20. Grell’s Warlord
21. Ostrander and O’Donnel’s The Suicide Squad
22. Miller and Mazzuchelli’s Daredevil
23. Englehart and Rogers’ Detective Comics
24. Davis’ second run on Excalibur
25. Verheiden and O’Donnel’s The Phantom
26. Grant and Breyfogle’s Detective Comics
27. Stern and Smith’s Dr. Strange
28. O’Neil and Cowan’s The Question
29. Wein and Wrightson’s Swamp Thing
30. Goodwin and Simonson’s Manhunter
31. Conway, Colan and Newton’s Detective Comics
32. Moore and Williams III’s Promethea
33. Starlin’s Captain Marvel
34. David and McFarlane’s Hulk
35. Englehart and Rogers’ Silver Surfer

In order to winnow it down, I limited myself to just runs with the same writer AND artist. As you can see, I still had a lot spillover.

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By: Rebis http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-634284 Rebis Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:32:31 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-634284 Hey Brian, here's another dopey question about voting. I did several days back, and added those four key letters at the top of my post. But I can still see my list on the comments thread (even after many days), although it also notes, at the top of my post, "Your comment is awaiting moderation." So does that mean it's invisible to everyone but me? Like Spiffy says, it's no biggie. But I'm curious about how WordPress works, I guess. Hey Brian, here's another dopey question about voting. I did several days back, and added those four key letters at the top of my post. But I can still see my list on the comments thread (even after many days), although it also notes, at the top of my post, "Your comment is awaiting moderation." So does that mean it's invisible to everyone but me?

Like Spiffy says, it's no biggie. But I'm curious about how WordPress works, I guess.

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By: Mike Loughlin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-634238 Mike Loughlin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:39:08 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-634238 Shoot. I listed them from bottom (10) to top (my #1 pick). Should I revote? Shoot. I listed them from bottom (10) to top (my #1 pick). Should I revote?

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By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-633918 Brian Cronin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:52:12 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-633918 Just repost your list in the right order, Larry, I'll delete the first one after you post the second one. Just repost your list in the right order, Larry, I'll delete the first one after you post the second one.

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By: Lorendiac http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-633814 Lorendiac Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:29:01 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-633814 Brian -- I just realized that somewhere over the weekend, I had completely forgotten that in the original post you said we were supposed to number our ballots from "top" to "bottom." I was rereading the rules of the game just now, and it leaped out at me (a little late). I numbered my votes just to help me keep count as I gradually eliminated "also-rans" from my notes, but they weren't arranged in any special order. Is there anything I can do about that at this point, or should I just learn to live with it? Brian -- I just realized that somewhere over the weekend, I had completely forgotten that in the original post you said we were supposed to number our ballots from "top" to "bottom." I was rereading the rules of the game just now, and it leaped out at me (a little late).

I numbered my votes just to help me keep count as I gradually eliminated "also-rans" from my notes, but they weren't arranged in any special order. Is there anything I can do about that at this point, or should I just learn to live with it?

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By: Spiffy http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-633804 Spiffy Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:05:47 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-633804 Got it, Brian. Thanks! I guess what I kind of meant was that if people want to pick my picks apart, I'm not vested enough in their opinions of me to CARE all that much! Although I get your reasons. Not everyone can be that blase, and you don't want flamewars. Personally, my picks were weighed heavily towards runs I actually read, either originally or in reprint. I mean some of the "what's the greatest" nitpicking that goes on ignores the very real fact that even the most devoted of us can't read everything. I mean, for example, people always tell me how great Peter David's Hulk is, but the problem is that I've just never gotten around to reading it. How in good conscience could I vote for something I haven't read? Even if it means something lesser slips onto my list, well... I can only call it like I saw it. Another problem is Spider-Man. I mean part of me wants to just put EVERY writer from its great years in there, but if I did that? What else would be on my list? Got it, Brian. Thanks!

I guess what I kind of meant was that if people want to pick my picks apart, I'm not vested enough in their opinions of me to CARE all that much!

Although I get your reasons. Not everyone can be that blase, and you don't want flamewars.

Personally, my picks were weighed heavily towards runs I actually read, either originally or in reprint. I mean some of the "what's the greatest" nitpicking that goes on ignores the very real fact that even the most devoted of us can't read everything. I mean, for example, people always tell me how great Peter David's Hulk is, but the problem is that I've just never gotten around to reading it. How in good conscience could I vote for something I haven't read? Even if it means something lesser slips onto my list, well... I can only call it like I saw it.

Another problem is Spider-Man. I mean part of me wants to just put EVERY writer from its great years in there, but if I did that? What else would be on my list?

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By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-633790 Brian Cronin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:45:37 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-633790 Fixed it for you, spiffy! And I wasn't saying anyone should be ashamed of their picks, just that by keeping them private, we avoid having OTHER people make fun of them (among the other reasons for keeping it private, like keeping it a surprise how the voting is going). Fixed it for you, spiffy!

And I wasn't saying anyone should be ashamed of their picks, just that by keeping them private, we avoid having OTHER people make fun of them (among the other reasons for keeping it private, like keeping it a surprise how the voting is going).

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By: Lorendiac http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-633787 Lorendiac Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:41:43 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-633787 Well, just now I went through my notes from a couple of days ago, and gradually narrowed it down to eleven runs (which meant deleting several other serious contenders). Now I'm trying to figure out which of the 11 gets the ax. No matter what I do, I'm going to feel guilty . . . Well, just now I went through my notes from a couple of days ago, and gradually narrowed it down to eleven runs (which meant deleting several other serious contenders). Now I'm trying to figure out which of the 11 gets the ax. No matter what I do, I'm going to feel guilty . . .

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By: Spiffy http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-633784 Spiffy Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:39:28 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-633784 Damn. Missed that thing to make the ballot invisible. Oh well. I'm not ashamed of my choices. No biggie. Damn. Missed that thing to make the ballot invisible.

Oh well. I'm not ashamed of my choices. No biggie.

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By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-633783 Brian Cronin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:37:46 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-633783 <blockquote>Seriously, though, Lee/Kirby X-Men and Byrne FF ahead of Kirby/Fantastic Four or Thor? Wow.</blockquote> Another reason for private ballots. ;)

Seriously, though, Lee/Kirby X-Men and Byrne FF ahead of Kirby/Fantastic Four or Thor?
Wow.

Another reason for private ballots. ;)

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By: Billy F http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs/comment-page-3/#comment-633547 Billy F Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:44:22 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/01/comics-should-be-goods-top-100-comic-book-runs-2/#comment-633547 I just realized I completely forgot about Rucka's Queen and Country, and Raspler and Madan's Young Heroes in Love and Wagner's Grendel. shucks. I hope they make the list anyway... I just realized I completely forgot about Rucka's Queen and Country, and Raspler and Madan's Young Heroes in Love and Wagner's Grendel.

shucks. I hope they make the list anyway...

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