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Re: Uncanny X-Men #496

Well, that was a massive spoiler, wasn’t it?

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Yyyyyyyyyyyeah. Can’t blame Brubaker for it, though; if certain parties had been able to keep to a damn schedule, the comic spoiled would have been out two years ago.

No kidding. I would have been shocked if somebody hadn’t warned me last week. I’m kinda sad to see it’s true.

Similar to New Avengers spoiling three months of Mighty Avengers because one book ran so late.

In all fairness, though, New Avengers didn’t really spoil anything. It’s just when Mighty Avengers got to the same story arc, it didn’t have the immediacy that it would have had the two series come out at the same time. Uncanny outright spoiled Astonishing. But like Michael said, can’t blame Brubaker… the guy was on time.
-r-

By the way, kudos for not spoiling it here in this thread. I’m sure that those who haven’t read the issue in question yet are appreciative.
-r-

Please don’t spoil it for those reading this thread, but if you could provide a link where the spoilers CAN be seen, that’d be awesome.

Yeah it seems to be a big spoiler, but it does leave the exact details pretty vague. Yesterday, (at least I think it was yesterday), Brubaker posted on the Bendis board that he had Marvel clear that bit of dialogue with Whedon before it went to press. If this indeed happened, it means that Joss was at least aware of it, so maybe there is still a surprise left to be revealed in the Astonishing finally.

Here’s the discussion thread on CBR’s X-Board, John:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=212257

It didn’t bother me and it had to be done. After all, during the whole Messiah Complex crossover, someone was conspicuously absent and never mentioned by people who should have cared, and it was becoming awkward. It’s not a problem in the other X-Books, but with the new line-up of Uncanny, it had to be addressed in Brubaker’s book, preferably before 2009.

Please don’t spoil it for those reading this thread, but if you could provide a link where the spoilers CAN be seen, that’d be awesome.

I’m sorry, but that just makes no sense. Anyone who willingly enters a thread specifically about spoilers has no right to complain about being spoiled. Now will someone just post the spoiler already?

Yeah, I don’t get that complaint, either.

I’ll tell the spoiler (and here’s a spoiler warning!):

Colossus mentions that Kitty Pryde “is lost.”

So it doesn’t mean that Kitty is dead, per se, but she’s not going to be in the books anymore.

Well, I was all set to rant about “stupid editors, why can’t they do their jobs?” but if Bru specifically asked them about it, and Whedon said it was OK, well…I guess that lets the editors off the hook.

I’m still a sad panda, though.

Ah, thanks Brian. Seemed all indications were already pointing that way anyhow, so I guess it isn’t *that* much of a shock. Still, seems a shame to drag her out of limbo just to kill her.

“Colossus mentions that Kitty Pryde “is lost.””

She’s obviously just gone to the Ultimate universe so she can hit on a Spider-Man that isn’t marri… oh wait.

Uhm. Yeah ok.

Look, it Whedon’s fault for specifically picking artists that are apparently unable to maintain anything resembling a monthly schedule on all of his Marvel projects.

Then again, it’s not like I remotely cared about AXM one way or the other to begin with. The sooner the breakworld is forgotten forever, the better.

Blame either Whedon or Cassaday for not keeping their damn book on a semi-consistent schedule. And don’t blame Bru for chuggin’ along like a pro.

If Whedon can’t be bothered to put out more than four issues of his title in an entire year, he doesn’t deserve to have his plot twists kept secret. Hell, I’m still in the camp that says Whedon has lost any right to affect the continuity of the other X-Men books due to his total failure to keep even a bi-monthly schedule.

Fanfic makes me mad

March 5, 2008 at 11:10 pm

Who cares about Whedon’s trash anyway?

Eh, it’s not like that character hasn’t been noticeably absent for months now. I just hope Illyana’s resurrection spell doesn’t result in said character spending an entire season coping with depression.

Man you guys take this shit personally.

Personally I think the fate of what’s their face is still up in the air and there’s probably a suprise in store in that upcoming issue of whatchamacallit.

There prob is a story planned for her down the line…but if Whedon had been able to keep AXM on track, it would’ve flowed better and wouldn’t be an issue (if it’s the artist’s fault, which I doubt, then they should’ve gotten a faster artist). Then again, Whedon’s run hasn’t exactly been all that; the first arc was fun, but got pretty stupid after that (the Danger Room is alive? A 6 issue fight scene that basically just sets up the next 6 issue arc? Ord? Breakworld? wtf!?!? Sorry, but Whedon is an overrated hack as far as I am concerned…Buffy and Angel included).

Then again, this could be a ploy to keep people interested in the last issue of AXM…to get people interested in will Kitty die or leave or what? Plus, the continuity doesn’t make sense, as to when this happened…Kitty was missing during MC but in the X-men issues preceding it…and haven’t there been pics released of Kitty in the group shots of AXM vol 2, or am I confusing here with someone else who is joining the team?

Master Man, let’s just hope Kitty wasn’t in “Heaaavveeen”…lol

SanctumSanctorumComix

March 6, 2008 at 6:19 am

Not for nothing, but that particular “spoiler” was a big “cat outta the bag” when Marvel first solicited the Wolverine/Kitty : First Class series (or whatever the heck it’s titled).

It struck me as a huge white elephant.

To me, it meant that Kitty was “going away” in AXM and this title would keep her character in publication (and keep all copyrights/trademarks current), and make her drooling fans somewhat at bay.

It also means that she’ll be back.

Oh.
And the guy who was asking for the link to the spoiler didn’t seem to be COMPLAINING about any spoilers, he simply seemed to state that while HE would like a spoiler link, he wasn’t looking for it to be spoiled HERE.
That way, should someone WISH to read the spoiler, they can do so WITHOUT the rest of the readers being adversely affected.

But, that’s just how I read it.

~P~
P-TOR

> It also means that she’ll be back.

Or possibly back already in another book.

I said elsewhere it reminded me of West Coast Avengers 1 revealing the new Iton man armour and the identity of it’s owner 2+ months before Iron Man 200

Oh.
And the guy who was asking for the link to the spoiler didn’t seem to be COMPLAINING about any spoilers, he simply seemed to state that while HE would like a spoiler link, he wasn’t looking for it to be spoiled HERE.
That way, should someone WISH to read the spoiler, they can do so WITHOUT the rest of the readers being adversely affected.

But, that’s just how I read it.

Oh, I understood what he meant. I just think it’s silly to protect people from a spoiler when they’ve deliberately clicked to enter a thread openly dedicated to that specific spoiler. If they really don’t want to read a spoiler, just don’t click the thread, period.

“It also means that she’ll be back.”

She’s a popular member of the X-Men, of course she’ll be back. Heck, it’s pretty damn amazing that she’s made it this long without being dead for awhile.

“To me, it meant that Kitty was “going away” in AXM and this title would keep her character in publication…and keep all copyrights/trademarks current”

You do one Captain Marvel book in the mid-90s and everyone thinks they’re a copy-right expert. No, the publication of this has nothing to do with copywright protection, her copywright has never been in question.

It’s hardly a startling revelation. If you counted the people who were involved in Messiah Complex, one person from the AXM team was notably absent. Either Brubaker is forced to not address the elephant in the room or he spoils what is kinda obvious.

Andrew Collins

March 6, 2008 at 10:55 am

wwk5d said:
“haven’t there been pics released of Kitty in the group shots of AXM vol 2, or am I confusing here with someone else who is joining the team?”

I can’t remember if it was Joe Q. who said it, or somebody else, but it was stated that the promo artwork for AXM2 is all just preliminary work that was done by Bianchi and shouldn’t be seen as indicating anything about the story or cast, especially with Kitty’s inclusion in the artwork.

I am currently reserving any judgment or fanboy outbursts until I read the Giant Sized special that will reveal how Kitty was “lost.” Given her popularity, and how much Whedon in particular seems to like her, I can’t imagine that she will be killed off so unceremoniously. I can only hope it’s a setup for something greater. I’m just sad that we finally get a Piotr/Kitty couple after 20+ years and they, of course, get broken up so soon afterwards…

She seems to fallen victim to the “Have Sex Then Die” rule of horror movies.

I think Bru could have easily written around that in the scene. The dialog could have just been along the lines of “after all he’s been through” and all that. Of course it’s Wheedon’s fault, but it still could have been worked around if they wanted to.

I have to imagine Brubaker is a bit irked, though, at being in the annoying position of “Don’t mess with Astonishing!” AND, at the same time, from the fans, “Why the heck aren’t you acknowledging the Astonishing characters?!?!”

To wit, Brubaker, awhile back, bent over backwards to not touch the Astonishing characters, and he got killed by fans over it, because they wanted to see Cyclops react to the news that his father had died.

So I imagine Brubaker does not want to have to deal with, “Why don’t you have Colossus reacting to Kitty?!!?”

Like I joked awhile back, I think Messiah Complex would have been a gigantic fan hit if all it was was Cyclops reacting to various characters’ deaths in each issue.

Don’t want to drag the argument out any longer, but I came here from the main CBR page, and the title just says “Re: Uncanny X-Men #496.” I don’t follow the title regularly, so I wasn’t sure if the issue was out, or was delayed, or, I don’t know, was revealed to have a gatefold chrome limited edition signed holofoil cover.

So thanks for leaving the spoilers out of the page (until you didn’t.)

So thanks for leaving the spoilers out of the page (until you didn’t.)

Oh yeah, it was good of Greg not to mention the spoiler where folks could see it (without a spoiler warning), but once you saw “spoiler” in the piece, if you keep reading, you really don’t have much reason to be irked if you are spoiled.

But if you don’t follow the title regularly, why would a spoiler bother you?

I don’t understand this spoiler avoidance-obsessed culture.

Cassaday’s not a slow artist, by the way. You can’t draw a script you don’t have.

Kirby could, but no one deserves to be held to his standard.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

March 6, 2008 at 8:41 pm

Kirby could, but no one deserves to be held to his standard.

It would kill the already struggling industry!

I’m a little sad not just about the line in Uncanny, but that she was absent from Messiah Complex. Not that I blame anyone involved, I understand that the show must go on. But thinking of (*years too late to be spoilers for Buffy and Angel*)
how well Joss handled the deaths of Joyce and Fred, if this death came out of left field, it would have been really emotional. Now it’s an afterthought. Of course, I don’t think that she’s dead, but maybe in space still?

“But if you don’t follow the title regularly, why would a spoiler bother you?”

Because I follow Astonishing.

Look, it doesn’t matter to me. It’s been quite common knowledge that it was going to be Kitty for months now, and I doubt it’ll affect my enjoyment of the story either way.

It’s just more of an IF this were a bigger thing, then we could have, y’know, outrage.

I’m embarrassed to have asked a question with such an obvious answer.

Ian zez: You do one Captain Marvel book in the mid-90s and everyone thinks they’re a copy-right expert. No, the publication of this has nothing to do with copywright protection, her copywright has never been in question.

You post on one comic book forum in the mid 2000’s and everyone thinks they’re an expert expert.

What’s a “copywright”? Someone who clones pre-exisiting ship designs?

In Brubaker’s defense, really, was there still anyone with any doubts about the fate of Kitty? After she had not appeared in a single issue of Messiah Complex? It isn’t a spoiler if everyone knows what will happen anyway.

“To wit, Brubaker, awhile back, bent over backwards to not touch the Astonishing characters, and he got killed by fans over it, because they wanted to see Cyclops react to the news that his father had died.

So I imagine Brubaker does not want to have to deal with, “Why don’t you have Colossus reacting to Kitty?!!?””

Apples and oranges. Fans wanted to see Cyclops reacting to Corsair’s death in Uncanny because:

1) Brubaker was the one that killed the character, not other writer.

2) Brubaker had Cyclops threatening Xavier if someone from his family ended up dying because his actions made Vulcan the psycho he is. Since that happened, the natural thing would show his reaction and how would affect his relationship with Xavier (which was Brubaker’s character, so it did affected his characters too)

So, I don’t think many would care if Bru hadn’t mentioned Kitty at all. I think he did because he’s planning of using Colossus after Uncanny #500 and he thought Astonishing would have been over already.

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