Comments on: Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #148 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:56:59 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Comics Should Be Good! @ Comic Book Resources » Comic Book Legends Revealed History http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-720880 Comics Should Be Good! @ Comic Book Resources » Comic Book Legends Revealed History Fri, 22 May 2009 09:55:36 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-720880 [...] made Azrael Batman to avoid paying Bob Kane royalties. Robert Kanigher created Sgt. Rock #148 - Siegel and Shuster based Superman on a colorful bodybuilder named Mayo Kaan. The Guardians of the Universe were modeled after David Ben-Gurion. Chris Claremont named a group [...] [...] made Azrael Batman to avoid paying Bob Kane royalties. Robert Kanigher created Sgt. Rock #148 - Siegel and Shuster based Superman on a colorful bodybuilder named Mayo Kaan. The Guardians of the Universe were modeled after David Ben-Gurion. Chris Claremont named a group [...]

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By: George Lawie http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-661794 George Lawie Sun, 11 May 2008 21:23:43 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-661794 There's Forbidden Planets in Scotland as well! With Aberdeen having the cheapest one in the UK and the only one to stock back issues, if a certain other comic book shop owner is to believed... Also, one in New York, which is how they get away with the "International" part of their name now. There's Forbidden Planets in Scotland as well! With Aberdeen having the cheapest one in the UK and the only one to stock back issues, if a certain other comic book shop owner is to believed...

Also, one in New York, which is how they get away with the "International" part of their name now.

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By: RorySm http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-657034 RorySm Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:39:52 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-657034 And you're suprised to find Wikipedia is full of half-truths and little sources? Colleges everywhere are banning the use of it in History papers as a source. And you're suprised to find Wikipedia is full of half-truths and little sources? Colleges everywhere are banning the use of it in History papers as a source.

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By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-644925 Brian Cronin Sat, 05 Apr 2008 08:06:38 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-644925 And check out the latest Urban Legends #149 for this week's ULs, Julio! And check out the latest Urban Legends #149 for this week's ULs, Julio!

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By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-644924 Brian Cronin Sat, 05 Apr 2008 08:06:06 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-644924 I fixed your link, Julio. And thanks, that's very interesting! Good stuff for a future piece! I fixed your link, Julio.

And thanks, that's very interesting! Good stuff for a future piece!

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By: Julio http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-644331 Julio Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:02:14 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-644331 Oh....the article link doesn't appear.... if anyone can help me, I put it in one of this free image sharing sites...there's some ban on putting links or what? Oh....the article link doesn't appear.... if anyone can help me, I put it in one of this free image sharing sites...there's some ban on putting links or what?

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By: Julio http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-644321 Julio Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:55:53 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-644321 Oh....the article doesn't appear.... if anyone can help me, I put it in one of this free image sharing sites... Oh....the article doesn't appear.... if anyone can help me, I put it in one of this free image sharing sites...

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By: Julio http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-644310 Julio Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:49:54 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-644310 Oh My God, Oh My God, Oh My Godddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!! that's the first time I have something to say in this column, instead of just ask!!! Well, I've recently readed a Classic X-Men Issue, specifically #7, published in Spain (I'm from Argentina and both countries share the same language, and Brazil is not our capital city, by the way :-) ) and it has two stories, one classic and a new short story written by Claremont and beautifully drawn by John Bolton (by the way, most of the new stories in "Classic..." are really masterworks!). The thing is, in that issue the complementary story is about the HellFire Club and Sebastian Shaw's wife Lourdes Chantel appears. She is a teleporter and finally dies protecting Sebastian and expressing her wish of seeing again her natal Barcelona (A very important city in Spain....We are really learning a lot of geography today, aren't we?). Well, in the next issue the Spanish version has a full page about the fact that Lourdes was the name of Claremont translator in a 1985's Barcelona Comic Convention ("V Salon del Comic y la Ilustracion de Barcelona") where Chris was guest. The woman's name is Lourdes Ortiz and in an interview with her in the same article she talks about Claremont's taking notes on everything around him and share other interesting things about the writer and his creative process (things that Claremont commented to Her during his time in Barcelona). For those of you that know spanish, <a href="http://imajr.com/Claremont-Lourdes-and-Barcelona-911883" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is the scanned article. For those of you that not, here's a really interesting appreciation of Lourdes about things that Chris said to Her about being a writer: "Sometimes is like he is a victim of his own profession, because instead of living situations like everyone else, he is compelled, as a writer, to see them from the outside, analyze them and take notes". As an (amateur) writer and drawist I really feel identified with that statement!. And finally, What's happening with this site? Today is Friday 4/4/08 and all the posts in this Urban Legends page are from a week ago! And this CBULR appears to me like the last one... Oh My God, Oh My God, Oh My Godddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!! that's the first time I have something to say in this column, instead of just ask!!! Well, I've recently readed a Classic X-Men Issue, specifically #7, published in Spain (I'm from Argentina and both countries share the same language, and Brazil is not our capital city, by the way :-) ) and it has two stories, one classic and a new short story written by Claremont and beautifully drawn by John Bolton (by the way, most of the new stories in "Classic..." are really masterworks!). The thing is, in that issue the complementary story is about the HellFire Club and Sebastian Shaw's wife Lourdes Chantel appears. She is a teleporter and finally dies protecting Sebastian and expressing her wish of seeing again her natal Barcelona (A very important city in Spain....We are really learning a lot of geography today, aren't we?). Well, in the next issue the Spanish version has a full page about the fact that Lourdes was the name of Claremont translator in a 1985's Barcelona Comic Convention ("V Salon del Comic y la Ilustracion de Barcelona") where Chris was guest. The woman's name is Lourdes Ortiz and in an interview with her in the same article she talks about Claremont's taking notes on everything around him and share other interesting things about the writer and his creative process (things that Claremont commented to Her during his time in Barcelona).
For those of you that know spanish, Here is the scanned article.

For those of you that not, here's a really interesting appreciation of Lourdes about things that Chris said to Her about being a writer: "Sometimes is like he is a victim of his own profession, because instead of living situations like everyone else, he is compelled, as a writer, to see them from the outside, analyze them and take notes". As an (amateur) writer and drawist I really feel identified with that statement!.
And finally, What's happening with this site? Today is Friday 4/4/08 and all the posts in this Urban Legends page are from a week ago! And this CBULR appears to me like the last one...

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By: Jono11 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-636444 Jono11 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:29:43 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-636444 Urban Legend: The published ending to the Omega The Unknown story, seen in The Defenders, was not actually substantively different than what Gerber and Skrenes planned; they were just miffed that they didn't get to do it. Urban Legend: The published ending to the Omega The Unknown story, seen in The Defenders, was not actually substantively different than what Gerber and Skrenes planned; they were just miffed that they didn't get to do it.

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By: Fraser http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-635144 Fraser Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:08:04 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-635144 A friend of mine insists that Reed Richards in MARVELS looks just like the Professor on Gilligan's Island (and he has a point ...) A well known tuckerizing case was that Mike Friedrich wrote an angry intense, SF writer, "Harlequin Ellis" into a JLA story in the early seventies. According to a later letter column, Harlan Ellison begged them to use his real name but the legal department demurred. That Avengers episode--I was too young to stay up and see it but I remember thinking a Queen of Sin (as they referred to Diana Rigg's outfit) sounded most awfully interesting. A friend of mine insists that Reed Richards in MARVELS looks just like the Professor on Gilligan's Island (and he has a point ...)

A well known tuckerizing case was that Mike Friedrich wrote an angry intense, SF writer, "Harlequin Ellis" into a JLA story in the early seventies. According to a later letter column, Harlan Ellison begged them to use his real name but the legal department demurred.

That Avengers episode--I was too young to stay up and see it but I remember thinking a Queen of Sin (as they referred to Diana Rigg's outfit) sounded most awfully interesting.

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By: yo go re http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-634654 yo go re Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:49:00 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-634654 <blockquote>The Hellfire club and the actors Byrne used as their likenesses are even more apparent when you consider the characters' names</blockquote> And even <b>extra</b> apparent when you go read <a href="http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/03/30/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-44/" rel="nofollow">the Urban Legends entry that breaks it all down</a>...

The Hellfire club and the actors Byrne used as their likenesses are even more apparent when you consider the characters' names

And even extra apparent when you go read the Urban Legends entry that breaks it all down...

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By: Ben Herman http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-633672 Ben Herman Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:21:54 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-633672 I was in Britain for six months back in 1999. Was at a convention in Bristol (a very cool one, since pretty much everyone there was drinking nonstop for three days straight) and I met Mike Lake. He told me the story behind Landau, Luckman & Lake. I informed him LLL was still being used by Marvel in Deadpool, something he was not actually aware of. Anyway, years back I wrote a <B>very</B> rough first draft of a sci-fi novel. No idea if I'll ever try to revise it to make it, well, readable, but in any case, the main character was named after my philosophy professor from college. I also nicked various other names for characters on that one, and another novel I wrote a rough draft for, from writers & actors who worked on Doctor Who :) Y'know, one of these days I really should see about trying to revise those two into something workable that might stand half a chance of getting published. I was in Britain for six months back in 1999. Was at a convention in Bristol (a very cool one, since pretty much everyone there was drinking nonstop for three days straight) and I met Mike Lake. He told me the story behind Landau, Luckman & Lake. I informed him LLL was still being used by Marvel in Deadpool, something he was not actually aware of.

Anyway, years back I wrote a very rough first draft of a sci-fi novel. No idea if I'll ever try to revise it to make it, well, readable, but in any case, the main character was named after my philosophy professor from college. I also nicked various other names for characters on that one, and another novel I wrote a rough draft for, from writers & actors who worked on Doctor Who :)

Y'know, one of these days I really should see about trying to revise those two into something workable that might stand half a chance of getting published.

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By: Alex R http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-633611 Alex R Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:57:09 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-633611 Ah, Claremont and his latin dialogue. Ah, Claremont and his latin dialogue.

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By: Alan Oirich http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-633453 Alan Oirich Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:53:48 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-633453 Hey folks. I'm a journalist and editor. I ALWAYS cite my sources. Unfortunately, the people who interview me don't always include the entirety of the interview. Although it was cut from the interview that, I guess, formed the basis of the wiki entry,I said explicitly that I was told this personally by Elliot S! Maggin, who heard it from both Julie Schwartz AND Gil Kane. Alan Oirich, JewishSupers.com Hey folks. I'm a journalist and editor. I ALWAYS cite my sources.

Unfortunately, the people who interview me don't always include the entirety of the interview.

Although it was cut from the interview that, I guess, formed the basis of the wiki entry,I said explicitly that I was told this personally by Elliot S! Maggin, who heard it from both Julie Schwartz AND Gil Kane.

Alan Oirich,
JewishSupers.com

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By: Philip Ayres http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-2/#comment-633227 Philip Ayres Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:32:54 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-633227 "A couple of references to a rock band called “Nazgul” in X-Men and New Mutants stories are taken from the horror novel Armaggedon Rag, written by George R. R. Martin." Isn't Nazgul more likely a Lord of the Rings referance ? "A couple of references to a rock band called “Nazgul” in X-Men and New Mutants stories are taken from the horror novel Armaggedon Rag, written by George R. R. Martin."

Isn't Nazgul more likely a Lord of the Rings referance ?

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By: MWGallaher http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-1/#comment-632979 MWGallaher Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:57:08 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-632979 I think there's a good chance that Mayo Kaan actually believed his claim was true. It's not so hard to imagine that some enterprising promoters--associated with neither DC nor Siegel & Shuster--cobbled up a Superman suit and hired Kaan to appear as the newly-popular character. If Kaan wasn't aware of the character himself at that time, then 30 years later he could very well have remembered only that Superman, and the costume, had been presented to him as a "new" character, and assumed that the unauthorized promoters must have been the guys who created Superman. I think there's a good chance that Mayo Kaan actually believed his claim was true. It's not so hard to imagine that some enterprising promoters--associated with neither DC nor Siegel & Shuster--cobbled up a Superman suit and hired Kaan to appear as the newly-popular character. If Kaan wasn't aware of the character himself at that time, then 30 years later he could very well have remembered only that Superman, and the costume, had been presented to him as a "new" character, and assumed that the unauthorized promoters must have been the guys who created Superman.

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By: Juisarian http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-1/#comment-632584 Juisarian Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:13:33 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-632584 Gregory Peck as Batman also shows up in KINGDOM COME. But Maxwell Lord? I just figured every white adult male with short neat hair that Kevin Mcguire draws looks like Sam Neil. Gregory Peck as Batman also shows up in KINGDOM COME.

But Maxwell Lord? I just figured every white adult male with short neat hair that Kevin Mcguire draws looks like Sam Neil.

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By: Derek http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-1/#comment-632361 Derek Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:57:33 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-632361 It's been said Shuster based Superman's appearance on Douglas Fairbanks (Senior, and sans mustache). The Hellfire club and the actors Byrne used as their likenesses are even more apparent when you consider the character's names: Emma Frost - Diana Rigg (played 'Emma' Peel) Donald Pierce - 'Donald' Sutherland (who played Hawkeye 'Pierce' in the movie MASH) Harry Leland - Orson Welles (one of Welles' most famous roles is as 'Harry' Lime in The Third Man) Mastermind/Jason Wyngarde - Peter 'Wyngarde' (most famous for playing a character named 'Jason' King) Sebastian Shaw - Robert 'Shaw' It's been said Shuster based Superman's appearance on Douglas Fairbanks (Senior, and sans mustache).

The Hellfire club and the actors Byrne used as their likenesses are even more apparent when you consider the character's names:

Emma Frost - Diana Rigg (played 'Emma' Peel)
Donald Pierce - 'Donald' Sutherland (who played Hawkeye 'Pierce' in the movie MASH)
Harry Leland - Orson Welles (one of Welles' most famous roles is as 'Harry' Lime in The Third Man)
Mastermind/Jason Wyngarde - Peter 'Wyngarde' (most famous for playing a character named 'Jason' King)
Sebastian Shaw - Robert 'Shaw'

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By: Anonymous http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-1/#comment-632337 Anonymous Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:25:46 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-632337 On the topic of comic characters being modeled after real people, was it ever confirmed that Clark Kent was based on Harold Lloyd? On the topic of comic characters being modeled after real people, was it ever confirmed that Clark Kent was based on Harold Lloyd?

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By: David Alexander McDonald http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/comment-page-1/#comment-632329 David Alexander McDonald Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:08:27 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/27/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-148/#comment-632329 Wyngarde/Mastermind was based on actor Peter Wyngarde, who was not only in the Avengers episode "A Touch Of Brimstone" (which can be seen on DVD now; it remains notorious) but was one of the three stars of <i>Department S</i> and the lead in the spin-off, <i>Jason King</i>; I remember Claremont saying that it was Wyngarde-as-King that was the inspiration for the Hellfire Club character. Tuckerizing (the naming of characters -- and locations -- after friends, acquaintances, and well known people) is quite common in comics, possibly even more so than in prose. I know Peter David does it, for one. I've done it in my prose work (my <i>Andromeda</i> novel is full of Tuckerized characters, and Micah Ian Wright turns up as a character through the back of the book, taking a lot of abuse) and in scripts (one repeatedly optioned script hasn't a single character who isn't a Tuckerization.) My favorite example in comics, though, would be Steve Gerber's Man-Thing story in the original Marvel Comics Presents, running in issues 1-6 (I think; it might be longer.) Steve put out a call to friends for volunteers to be Tuckerized, and every single character aside from the regular characters is a Tucker; mine is an evial bastard who gets his evial face fried off by Man-Thing. Wyngarde/Mastermind was based on actor Peter Wyngarde, who was not only in the Avengers episode "A Touch Of Brimstone" (which can be seen on DVD now; it remains notorious) but was one of the three stars of Department S and the lead in the spin-off, Jason King; I remember Claremont saying that it was Wyngarde-as-King that was the inspiration for the Hellfire Club character.

Tuckerizing (the naming of characters -- and locations -- after friends, acquaintances, and well known people) is quite common in comics, possibly even more so than in prose. I know Peter David does it, for one. I've done it in my prose work (my Andromeda novel is full of Tuckerized characters, and Micah Ian Wright turns up as a character through the back of the book, taking a lot of abuse) and in scripts (one repeatedly optioned script hasn't a single character who isn't a Tuckerization.)

My favorite example in comics, though, would be Steve Gerber's Man-Thing story in the original Marvel Comics Presents, running in issues 1-6 (I think; it might be longer.) Steve put out a call to friends for volunteers to be Tuckerized, and every single character aside from the regular characters is a Tucker; mine is an evial bastard who gets his evial face fried off by Man-Thing.

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