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		<title>By: robert ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just how does a person go about NAMING a character when all the good ones are taken?  Is it permissible to go back and lift a public domain character, lock, stock and secret identity and revamp them?  I&#039;ve come up with a stable, most of whom I&#039;m been able to name, (thank the Great Bird of the Galaxy,) but there are a couple that seemed to be on the edge of infringement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just how does a person go about NAMING a character when all the good ones are taken?  Is it permissible to go back and lift a public domain character, lock, stock and secret identity and revamp them?  I've come up with a stable, most of whom I'm been able to name, (thank the Great Bird of the Galaxy,) but there are a couple that seemed to be on the edge of infringement!</p>
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		<title>By: How To Use Public Domain To Build A Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>How To Use Public Domain To Build A Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going with fresh content. As you can see from this blog article - it does contain lot&#8217;s of Public Domain comic book reference material. It seems easy for this blogger to add content related to old comics because it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] going with fresh content. As you can see from this blog article - it does contain lot&#8217;s of Public Domain comic book reference material. It seems easy for this blogger to add content related to old comics because it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Desert Son</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desert Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s important to point out that there IS a definition for &quot;pornographic&quot; beyond the depiction of erotic acts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it's important to point out that there IS a definition for "pornographic" beyond the depiction of erotic acts.</p>
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		<title>By: the truth of urban legends</title>
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		<dc:creator>the truth of urban legends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 10:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] panel in Conan the Barbarian 8 where Windsor-Smith has some fun with backgrounds. ...http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/03/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-149/The All-Time List1. About a Boy 2002 2. About Schmidt 2002 3. Abre los ojos 1997 Open Your Eyes 4. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] panel in Conan the Barbarian 8 where Windsor-Smith has some fun with backgrounds. ...http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/03/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-149/The All-Time List1. About a Boy 2002 2. About Schmidt 2002 3. Abre los ojos 1997 Open Your Eyes 4. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to Barry Smith as was, is it true he once used WANK as a sound effect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to Barry Smith as was, is it true he once used WANK as a sound effect?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/10/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-150/

Here! :)</description>
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<p>Here! <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sissy Aquaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sissy Aquaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s #150?</description>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the other bullet hole gimmick was an issue of Trencher, where Keith Giffen personally shot a hole through a number of copies.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the &#039;80&#039;s Fantagraphic reprint of the Savage book. Violent? Yes. Pornographic? Absolutely not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the '80's Fantagraphic reprint of the Savage book. Violent? Yes. Pornographic? Absolutely not.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Klaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Klaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,

Children With Glue, which I edited, was the first collection of Shannon Wheeler&#039;s strips and definitely did not have a bullet hole.  It appeared some two years prior to the first bullet hole comics.

(A little side note:  he created his seminal character Too Much Coffee Man as a mini-comic to help promote Children With Glue)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>Children With Glue, which I edited, was the first collection of Shannon Wheeler's strips and definitely did not have a bullet hole.  It appeared some two years prior to the first bullet hole comics.</p>
<p>(A little side note:  he created his seminal character Too Much Coffee Man as a mini-comic to help promote Children With Glue)</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Klaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Klaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Malibu bullet hole issue was not the only bullet hole comic of 1993.  The month following that issue of The Protectors, the Austin-based Adhesive Comics issued their own bullet holed JAB #3.  Unlike the Malibu comics, a vast majority of the creators in this anthology title actually used the bullet hole, which went through the entire comic, as part of their stories.  This issue was actually solicited BEFORE the Malibu comic but due to the usual problems of small press comics, the issue shipped late.  JAB was actually shot in stacks of ten with a .22 rifle as opposed to the mechanically created hole for the Malibu comic.  The issue was produced in response to the preponderance of ridiculous collector comics in the early-90s.  The joke was to sell a previously defaced comic.  Of course, it was the best selling issue of JAB&#039;s six issue run and the issue itself has become a collector&#039;s item.

Jab #3 featured a Too Much Coffee Man story by Shannon Wheeler and some of the earliest work by Ted Naifeh.

(Disclaimer:  I conceived and plotted the story drawn by Naifeh in that issue.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Malibu bullet hole issue was not the only bullet hole comic of 1993.  The month following that issue of The Protectors, the Austin-based Adhesive Comics issued their own bullet holed JAB #3.  Unlike the Malibu comics, a vast majority of the creators in this anthology title actually used the bullet hole, which went through the entire comic, as part of their stories.  This issue was actually solicited BEFORE the Malibu comic but due to the usual problems of small press comics, the issue shipped late.  JAB was actually shot in stacks of ten with a .22 rifle as opposed to the mechanically created hole for the Malibu comic.  The issue was produced in response to the preponderance of ridiculous collector comics in the early-90s.  The joke was to sell a previously defaced comic.  Of course, it was the best selling issue of JAB's six issue run and the issue itself has become a collector's item.</p>
<p>Jab #3 featured a Too Much Coffee Man story by Shannon Wheeler and some of the earliest work by Ted Naifeh.</p>
<p>(Disclaimer:  I conceived and plotted the story drawn by Naifeh in that issue.)</p>
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		<title>By: djb</title>
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		<dc:creator>djb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 04:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought it was the inker, Tom Palmer, who wrote that note, not BWS. It makes sense given that he probably had never encountered the amount of detail (i.e. drawing each coin individually rather than merely indicating it as mass of coins with a few well-placed marks) that BWS was putting into his comics, something that was uncommon at Marvel at that time. He was probably peeved at the amount of time it took to do all this detail when he could of been working on some other paying gig. I also can&#039;t believe that Palmer would take the time to ink over a note left by the penciller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought it was the inker, Tom Palmer, who wrote that note, not BWS. It makes sense given that he probably had never encountered the amount of detail (i.e. drawing each coin individually rather than merely indicating it as mass of coins with a few well-placed marks) that BWS was putting into his comics, something that was uncommon at Marvel at that time. He was probably peeved at the amount of time it took to do all this detail when he could of been working on some other paying gig. I also can't believe that Palmer would take the time to ink over a note left by the penciller.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Boothby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Boothby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t the book with the real bullet hole called &quot;Children with Glue&quot;?</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Linton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvel actually used &quot;The Masked Marvel&quot; prior to the Kesel character.  The title for the Speedball series by Stern and Ditko was SPEEDBALL, THE MASKED MARVEL, which came out three or four years before Malibu&#039;s PROTECTORS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvel actually used "The Masked Marvel" prior to the Kesel character.  The title for the Speedball series by Stern and Ditko was SPEEDBALL, THE MASKED MARVEL, which came out three or four years before Malibu's PROTECTORS.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s my guess, too, Rob (and it gibes with Kane&#039;s personal accounts), but I wanted to at least offer up the possibility that Savage just wasn&#039;t popular.

And thanks, Ryan! That&#039;s a great idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's my guess, too, Rob (and it gibes with Kane's personal accounts), but I wanted to at least offer up the possibility that Savage just wasn't popular.</p>
<p>And thanks, Ryan! That's a great idea!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now as to why the book [Savage] didnâ€™t sell, I do not know. It could very well be that people just didnâ€™t like it.&quot;

More likely, they never saw it.  This was during the days of newsstand distribution, before comics shops were common.  Most comics were sold alongside magazines at newsstands, drug stores, etc.  (And oh, yeah, pterodactyls When experiments like &quot;Savage&quot; were published, the newsstand operators didn&#039;t know where to put them.  They didn&#039;t fit (I mean physically -- they were a different size -- let alone conceptually) with the comic books, and if they were displayed at all, it was probably near the porn and crime magazines.  Probably just as often, they may have been returned without ever being displayed at all (again, this was before direct distribution, so vendors could return merchandise for full credit).  Later titles in similar formats (Kirby&#039;s &quot;In the Days of the Mob&quot; from DC, and Marvel&#039;s Savage Tales) had similar difficulties; Savage Tales had a couple of cancellations and restarts before it caught on, by which time there were enough direct sales outlets (comics shops) to give it a chance of selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Now as to why the book [Savage] didnâ€™t sell, I do not know. It could very well be that people just didnâ€™t like it."</p>
<p>More likely, they never saw it.  This was during the days of newsstand distribution, before comics shops were common.  Most comics were sold alongside magazines at newsstands, drug stores, etc.  (And oh, yeah, pterodactyls When experiments like "Savage" were published, the newsstand operators didn't know where to put them.  They didn't fit (I mean physically -- they were a different size -- let alone conceptually) with the comic books, and if they were displayed at all, it was probably near the porn and crime magazines.  Probably just as often, they may have been returned without ever being displayed at all (again, this was before direct distribution, so vendors could return merchandise for full credit).  Later titles in similar formats (Kirby's "In the Days of the Mob" from DC, and Marvel's Savage Tales) had similar difficulties; Savage Tales had a couple of cancellations and restarts before it caught on, by which time there were enough direct sales outlets (comics shops) to give it a chance of selling.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Shazam Mundy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Shazam Mundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of bullet hole gimmick covers, there was an actual book released in which the book was actually shot right through. I don&#039;t recall the name, but I do know this as fact because I own a copy. It came with a COA and photos of it being shot. The 90&#039;s were wild with this stuff ....ie the gimmick and variant covers. The variant covers have made a comeback, so I don&#039;t doubt the gimmick covers aren&#039;t around  the corner as well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of bullet hole gimmick covers, there was an actual book released in which the book was actually shot right through. I don't recall the name, but I do know this as fact because I own a copy. It came with a COA and photos of it being shot. The 90's were wild with this stuff ....ie the gimmick and variant covers. The variant covers have made a comeback, so I don't doubt the gimmick covers aren't around  the corner as well</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Dunlavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Dunlavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the comic that came with a REAL bullet hole?

I have vague recollection of this but I&#039;m pretty sure an issue of an anthology published by Shannon Wheeler&#039;s Adhesive Press in the early 90&#039;s (either Jab or Eyebeam) and all the issues were actually shot through with a real .22 caliber bullet, as a parody of gimmick comics in general and the Protectors comic specifically. I didn&#039;t ever see the comic in person but I remember the ad for it featuring a sterotypical slovenly comic fan screaming in horror &quot;It&#039;s not mint! DEAR GOD IT&#039;S NOT MINT!&quot;. They used one bullet for every 10 comics, and poly bagged every 10th issue with the spent shell as a &quot;variant cover&quot;.

I swear I&#039;m not making this up.

A few years later Shannon Wheeler decided to jump a few issue numbers in the Too Much Coffee Man series (jumping from issue 6 to issue 10 I think) and then advertising the never-produced missing issues as extremely rare. He even advanced the main storyline so that it was like the missing storyline had really happened. So the bullet hole thing could have been an earlier elaborate hoax.

Could be a good item for another column!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the comic that came with a REAL bullet hole?</p>
<p>I have vague recollection of this but I'm pretty sure an issue of an anthology published by Shannon Wheeler's Adhesive Press in the early 90's (either Jab or Eyebeam) and all the issues were actually shot through with a real .22 caliber bullet, as a parody of gimmick comics in general and the Protectors comic specifically. I didn't ever see the comic in person but I remember the ad for it featuring a sterotypical slovenly comic fan screaming in horror "It's not mint! DEAR GOD IT'S NOT MINT!". They used one bullet for every 10 comics, and poly bagged every 10th issue with the spent shell as a "variant cover".</p>
<p>I swear I'm not making this up.</p>
<p>A few years later Shannon Wheeler decided to jump a few issue numbers in the Too Much Coffee Man series (jumping from issue 6 to issue 10 I think) and then advertising the never-produced missing issues as extremely rare. He even advanced the main storyline so that it was like the missing storyline had really happened. So the bullet hole thing could have been an earlier elaborate hoax.</p>
<p>Could be a good item for another column!</p>
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		<title>By: Annoyed Grunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annoyed Grunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I seem to recall that there were actually two gimic comic covers with bullet holes that went all the way through the comics. One of them just drilled a hole through all the pages, thus annoyingly interrupting the artwork and in some cases dialogue. And, the other actually made use of the hole on every page of artwork, thus only drilling holes in the ads.&quot;

I don&#039;t remember it covering any dialogue or significant artwork, but it wasn&#039;t an overly clever use of the hole.  It didn&#039;t even make a whole lot of sense since I believe Night Mask was beaten to death, not shot.  Never the less, it wasn&#039;t a bad issue.  I had never read any of the characters before or since and the death scene did stir some emotion. That&#039;s more than I can say for most Image comics from the time when people would get killed with no rhyme or reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I seem to recall that there were actually two gimic comic covers with bullet holes that went all the way through the comics. One of them just drilled a hole through all the pages, thus annoyingly interrupting the artwork and in some cases dialogue. And, the other actually made use of the hole on every page of artwork, thus only drilling holes in the ads."</p>
<p>I don't remember it covering any dialogue or significant artwork, but it wasn't an overly clever use of the hole.  It didn't even make a whole lot of sense since I believe Night Mask was beaten to death, not shot.  Never the less, it wasn't a bad issue.  I had never read any of the characters before or since and the death scene did stir some emotion. That's more than I can say for most Image comics from the time when people would get killed with no rhyme or reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Sijo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sijo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Digressing a little: that Protectors cover reminds me of the character Gravestone (the one with the skull mask) whose power was the ability to come back from the dead. In his own series, it was revealed that he did this by fighting his way out of Hades- which is exactly what Wolverine has been hinted as doing recently! Is this a coincidence, or a rip off?</description>
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