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Die, Marvel Zombies, die! Er, again.
- by Brad Curran
- in General
Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 at 1:38 PM EST
Updated: Tuesday, April 8th, 2008 at 1:38 PM EST
The Marvel Zombies: Dead Days Hardcover is out today. That gives me a perfect time to pull a Burgas and rage blindly about how sick I am of seeing them everywhere!
You ever get sick of something due to overexposure that you hate it before you’ve even seen/read/heard it? I get like that with certain pop culture phenoms, from Napoleon Dynamite to the Jimmy Kimmel is having revenge sex with Ben Affleck meme. Very few comics reach the level of pop culture oversaturation for me, mostly because comics have such an anemic presence in pop culture, and I happen to have a lot of affection for most of the superhero icons. That said, Marvel Zombies? It’s totally on my last damn nerve, and I’ve never read a full issue of it.
It’s not even really the comics themselves. I’m sick of the zombie variant covers, sure, but they’re easy enough to ignore, generally. You know, like any other variant cover. Really, it was only the fact that Criminal had to go on hiatus for a few months that gave me a comics related reason to hate them, and even that I could rationalize because it’s got to be a pretty lucrative paying gig for Phillips (I hope, at least) and probably helps subsidize the book I care about. That said, I do have to admit that the first thought that came to mind when Brubaker broke the news in his editorial was “Fuck the Marvel Zombies. Fuck them in their decaying asses.” I’m glad I could finally share that with this site’s massive readership. It’s been rough sitting on that for so long.
The main reason why I’m sick of them is that I literally see them everywhere through the insipid pervasiveness of merchandized products bearing their likenesses. I work in high schools a lot as a substitute teacher, and I see them on hoodies and t-shirts constantly. The Secret Wars cover homage is a popular image. Beyond that, the merchandise is very popular in the shop I frequent. One of the guys who owns the place even sports the occasional Decaying Colonel America (how sad is it that he only got promoted in the world where he became an evil corpse) shirt.
It was seeing him at a video store wearing that shirt that caused me to have this epiphany; why is this idea so damned popular? I mean, I get the pun in the title, and it’s funny and all. Before I got sick of seeing its shambling, rotting characters everywhere, the book seemed appealing in a completely absurdist way. But really, what does it say that the rotting corpses of these iconic characters are such a popular image? Is it a commentary on how stale the characters are, that the only way they can be popular again is by not just being dead (like the original Cap), but rotting corpses? Is it a triumph of genre blending, finding a really grotesque way of making something old new again? Is it a sign of the decay of Western Civilization?
Or am I just overthinking the whole thing and it’s just a really cool bunch of images if you aren’t totally sick of the concept? I don’t know. Maybe I should finally read the damned comics that these images came from. If I weren’t so damn sick at the sight of their rotting, iconic flesh, I’d probably enjoy it. As long as Napoleon Dynamite and a post coitous Kimmel and Affleck don’t show up, I’d probably be able to overcome my prejudices and enjoy it for what it is; a horror comedy based on a Mark Millar Ultimate Fantastic Four story, with a title based on the original moniker/epithet for obsessive Marvel fans, by the guy who wrote the most popular non-superhero zombie comic before zombie comics got so damn redundant. Who can’t enjoy the simplicty of that?






26 Comments
Lewis
April 8, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I think it’s because it’s a different sort of look at zombies. Most traditional zombies are either:
1. Slow and brainless
2. Fast and brainless
Instead we see a plague where people retain who and what they are, except there’s now this horrifying monster inside of them that makes them do horrible things. Spider-Man’s constant angsting in the series could be seen as satire of Spidey still being a down-on-his-luck hero kind of guy, but on the other hand it could also be saying something that these were once human beings, good people, but their morals have been subverted for their survival.
Rene
April 8, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I’m disgusted by the whole Marvel Zombies concept, so I do my best to avoid it.
But it doesn’t annoy me that other people might like it so much. More power to them. I save my rage for more important things, like ranting about the overabundance of reality shows on TV.
Ken S.
April 8, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Skrulls are the new Zombies.
And what about Zombie Skrulls? Or would that be Skrull Zombies?
Greg Burgas
April 8, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Is it weird that you, Greg H., Joe Rice (when he was here), and I all work (or worked) in education in some capacity? And heck, it could be more of us - those are just the ones I know about.
Wait - what’s the topic here?
Cat Skyfire
April 8, 2008 at 3:54 pm
My issue is that most of the time Marvel does a Zombie Wolverine, his claws are metal, but not the rest of his bones…
Craig
April 8, 2008 at 4:25 pm
I bought the first Marvel Zombies HC. Didn’t really enjoy it. I gave it to one of my friends that had read the first issue at the shop, and nothing after that. He loved it.
People love Marvel characters. People love zombies (and, by extension, horror movies). They are two beloved concepts that typically never cross paths (at least they didn’t before all this madness began). Thus, much like the “shock value” of crossing an innocent concept with a mature concept, the Marvel Zombies have taken hold of pop culture. Obviously, Hot Topic loves marketing Marvel stuff, and the zombie part comes naturally too. Thus, Hot Topic has become the portal from which all this MZ merchandise pours into the world, although I’m willing to bet that at least 25% of the people wearing that Secret War parody hoodie have never read the book.
From that point, it became academic to revisit. Dead Days gave us a prequel, and MZ v. AoD gave us a crossover that, while not being obvious, is definitely appealing. Then, it was natural to ask “what happens next?” Good thing MZ2 was released, otherwise we (and by we, I mean not me) would never know the answer to that question.
Short answer: Marketing synergy, genre mashups, Hot Topic, and sequels (or the greater need for a trilogy).
Scott Free
April 8, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Marvel Zombies was alright at first, but now I just feel as if I’m being hit over the head with it. The original story as presented in Ultimate FF was interesting, and the follow-up miniseries was fun. It was a nice twisted look at our beloved Marvel heroes, but now it’s just a cash-in and that’s why it makes me sick.
DBish
April 8, 2008 at 6:17 pm
I think its totally wrong to have a Marvel Zombie cover on any bok that does bot contain actual Marvel Zombies.
I like the arc in Ultimate FF, the first mini-series, the arc in Black Panther and I love MZ vs AOD, so chances are I’m a little bit of a fan. When I just see the zombie covers on random books it’s overkill, even for me. Thats pretty much what they’re doing with the skrulls now.
The Mad Monkey
April 8, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Well…they wouldn’t do it if people didn’t keep encouraging them by buying the books…
And that…is one to grow on…
Lothor
April 9, 2008 at 12:33 am
Marvel=chocolate ; Zombie=peanut butter. as in,
“You got Zombie in my Marvel!” “Yeah, well you got Marvel in my Zombie!”
Marvel Zombies=Reeses Peanut Butter Cups
“They taste great together!”
(Not applicable if you are allergic to peanuts)
J to the AAP
April 9, 2008 at 1:19 am
The overabundance of the zombie cover variant can get annoying indeed. The ‘Marvel zombieverse’ itself has produced some pretty entertaining comical horror though, imo. I still think it’s funny when Galactus shows up in the first mini-series and asks “Where is my herald?” to which the Marvel zombies simply reply “We ate him.”.
J to the AAP
April 9, 2008 at 1:23 am
I think Lothor got it right, but of course, too much of any snack can eventually upset your bowels. Just stop eating when you’re full. And if you don’t like the taste to begin with, that’s cool too, nobody’s forcing you to eat. I do believe you’re overthinking it a bit.
RexDart817
April 9, 2008 at 5:00 am
I think the issue here is, as usual with us the consumer. (Most) people latch onto any new/exciting trend or idea, and Marvel Zombies is no exception. While I personally am not sick of it (I don’t buy the variant covers unless I really like the art), I do think it might refresh the idea if Marvel let it rest for a bit. I loved the first and the AoD crossover, but Marvel Zombies 2 just sucked.
tom fitzpatrick
April 9, 2008 at 5:11 am
Sooooo, what about The Walking Dead, Zombie Tales?
Any complaints. anybody?
avengers63
April 9, 2008 at 8:08 am
Zombie movies have always been a niche market, just like comics are. They both have their die-hard fans, and have both gone through periods of more and less popularity. Just like every other genre on the big screen, Zombie comics were bound to pop up sooner or later. That they poped up whe zombie movies are fairly popular right now should come as no big surprise.
What should ALSO come as no surprise is that Marvel is going to ride this cash cow to the very end. How can they do anything else? They know how fickle fans of ANY type are. Sooner or later, the saturation point will be exceeded and interest, therefore sales, will decrease. Like any other fad, it’ll die sooner or later, or at least decrease to the point of fading into the background.
Until then, it’s just one more evil we have to endure. I remember a point in the 90’s when there were more X-related books than all other Marvel combined. It slowed down, this will too.
On a related note, I’ve never read Dragonlance, and I never will. The series debuted when I was in high school. Everyone read it, then insisted I read it too. Obviously, it was good ennough to be a sustained franchise for 20+ years, so I DO believe it would be a good read. But… it was pushed so dang hard I got completely turned off by the whole thing. Kinda like you & the zombies right now.
Craig
April 9, 2008 at 8:49 am
avengers63, I concur. That’s why I can’t get into Buffy, Angel, Spike, Firefly, Serenity, or any of Joss Whedon’s original concepts. Everyone I know has hyped them into oblivion, given me dirty looks when I say I’m unfamiliar with their obscure references, and loaned me countless DVDs so I can “catch up”. I have no reason not to, except that I’m already tired of the concepts without having ever enjoyed them.
Lorin
April 9, 2008 at 9:32 am
It’s totally on my last damn nerve, and I’ve never read a full issue of it.
This statement bugs me more than anything. It seems to be a consistent complaint all over the comic blog intarweb. “I hate it. No I haven’t read it.” If this had been an essay on the inherent problems with the actual mini-serie’s themselves and not just an attack on merchandise and branding, I would have been impressed. Instead, this is just tilting at windmills.
avengers63
April 9, 2008 at 10:29 am
“Instead, this is just tilting at windmills.”
But that windmill had it coming!
Seriouisly, it just feels good to vent sometimes. Aside of not buying all the zombie stuff, this is really among the best options to get your voice heard. Creators, editors, and executives read this blog. I’ve seen a post by a Marvel editor here more than once.
Lorin
April 9, 2008 at 12:39 pm
@avengers63
Sure it’s great to vent. We all love to vent. But let’s vent about something besides, “The kids at the school I teach at wear stupid shirts.”
avengers63
April 9, 2008 at 1:14 pm
So….. out of 5 paragraphs, that and “I hate it. No I haven’t read it.” is all you could pull out? I thin kyou’re missing the whole point. Brian, and doubtlessly others, are sick of the overmarketing and overexposrue of the zombies. He’s unable to turn his head without seeing them, and it’s just driving him nuts.
Lorin
April 10, 2008 at 5:29 am
@avengers63
Isn’t “I hate. No I haven’t read it” essentially the point of those five paragraphs? I’m just saying that an examination of why it’s so popular, rather than a “I hate a popular thing” post, would have been much more interesting and fruitful. The articles on this site are usually pretty in depth(mostly). This one was lacking.
avengers63
April 10, 2008 at 7:28 am
Fair enough, I suppose.
Marionette
April 11, 2008 at 2:14 am
I thought it was a weak joke in the first place. Repeating it over and over again isn’t making it any funnier.
Agustin Mojica
April 12, 2008 at 4:41 pm
It’s striking imagery. It ties into this strange zombie zeitgeist — a movement that oscillates between a serious zombie revival (The Walking Dead) and outright zombie silliness (Marvel Zombies), both of which Kirkman dabbles in, although I think he does the former better than the latter. Steampunk is running the same course, although I think it’s mostly stayed out of the malls. It will be there soon enough, though.
To the guy who mentioned that 25% of the people with the Secret War parody shirts probably didn’t read the book: I think you’d be hard pressed to find 25% out of the people wearing those shirts who DID read the book! This phenomenon isn’t entirely tired into Kirkman and Phillips’ work, after all. And that’s exactly why it shows up where it really is uncalled for.
Agustin Mojica
April 12, 2008 at 4:45 pm
One more thing, about the saturation point: Marvel is definitely making a mistake by throwing the variant covers where they don’t belong, without at least coming up with some better marketing reason for them to be there besides “well, here is a zombie cover for this book.” It’s never a good idea to push fans into turning on certain marketing ideas en masse. It’s one thing to have lots of people annoying fans by pushing something popular, I.E., Buffy. It’s another to have fans turning on the company itself because they can’t get a goddamn copy of Power Pack without a rotting corpse on the cover.
Ben Reiley
June 5, 2008 at 11:28 pm
I agree with you completely, I couldn’t believe it when it came out, all your favorite superheroes in totally gross zombie forms cannabilzing everything they see! Great… and everyone likes them too. Its like tons of people think its an instant cult classic thats so likable and are willing to put money in the pockets of Marvel. I don’t really think its the fault of people for supporting the craze though, Marvel came up with the marketing scheme and used their characters to detriment for money, and as it seems all for money