Comments on: Comic Book Alphabet of Cool – Z http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:55:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jeff Ryan http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657691 Jeff Ryan Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:46:42 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657691 Zenith -- an appropriately-named character for the end of the list. You know who's appropriately name to be a super pro in the NFL? NFL SuperPro. Zenith — an appropriately-named character for the end of the list.

You know who’s appropriately name to be a super pro in the NFL?

NFL SuperPro.

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By: Andy Turnbull http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657585 Andy Turnbull Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:47:38 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657585 You can also get the first two phases in The Best of 2000ad Monthly where they were reprinted in issues 99 and 100 and 110 and 111 respectively. Sadly the other phases were not collected in the same fashion. Andy You can also get the first two phases in The Best of 2000ad Monthly where they were reprinted in issues 99 and 100 and 110 and 111 respectively. Sadly the other phases were not collected in the same fashion.

Andy

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By: The Cosh http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657356 The Cosh Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:41:35 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657356 <i>Can anybody tell me- what exactly is the dispute that is keeping it from being released again?</i> As I understand it, there are actually two separate issues. One is the use, in Phase 3, of a whole load of old British characters which 2000AD didn't have the rights to. Presumably, this could be sorted out fairly easily. The second is Morrison's contention that, despite it all being written under a standard contract at the time, the current publishers - Rebellion - don't own the rights to Zenith because they weren't explicitly included in any of the various transfers of ownership 2000AD has made in the last twenty years. Or something like that. There are one or two other strips - none of which are of the same interest to people who aren't 2000AD obsessives - that remain in reprint limbo for similar reasons. While the existing Titan reprints do go for silly money, you can pick up the actual 2000AD issues pretty cheaply and it'll come packaged with some other top quality stories. Can anybody tell me- what exactly is the dispute that is keeping it from being released again?

As I understand it, there are actually two separate issues. One is the use, in Phase 3, of a whole load of old British characters which 2000AD didn’t have the rights to. Presumably, this could be sorted out fairly easily. The second is Morrison’s contention that, despite it all being written under a standard contract at the time, the current publishers – Rebellion – don’t own the rights to Zenith because they weren’t explicitly included in any of the various transfers of ownership 2000AD has made in the last twenty years. Or something like that. There are one or two other strips – none of which are of the same interest to people who aren’t 2000AD obsessives – that remain in reprint limbo for similar reasons.

While the existing Titan reprints do go for silly money, you can pick up the actual 2000AD issues pretty cheaply and it’ll come packaged with some other top quality stories.

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By: Denn http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657302 Denn Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:27:33 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657302 Like Andrew Collins, I'm wondering what the dispute is as well. Like Andrew Collins, I’m wondering what the dispute is as well.

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By: Apodaca http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657272 Apodaca Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:26:24 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657272 I'd love to read it someday. I’d love to read it someday.

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By: Andrew Collins http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657269 Andrew Collins Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:13:22 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657269 I passed up the chance to buy the Titan trades years ago and I still regret it. The few issues of 2000 AD I have with Zenith chapters in them are great. Can anybody tell me- what exactly is the dispute that is keeping it from being released again? I passed up the chance to buy the Titan trades years ago and I still regret it. The few issues of 2000 AD I have with Zenith chapters in them are great.

Can anybody tell me- what exactly is the dispute that is keeping it from being released again?

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By: Omar Karindu http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657253 Omar Karindu Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:42:44 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657253 I never saw Zeith as all that optmistic -- by the end, Zenith is only marginally less shallow and cynical, and St. John has taken over England by effectively murdering a rival politician. Yes, they save the world from the Lloigor, but Mandala's basically saving it so he can quietly rule it. The anniversary follow-up seems to underscore this, with St. John revealing that every prime minister subsequent to Thatcher has been a mind-controlled pawn of his own. The series seems to me a tragic version of Morrison's usual postmodern material, taking place in a world where no one quite discovers the libertatory power of imagination and is instead a cynical power broker of one sort or another. I never saw Zeith as all that optmistic — by the end, Zenith is only marginally less shallow and cynical, and St. John has taken over England by effectively murdering a rival politician. Yes, they save the world from the Lloigor, but Mandala’s basically saving it so he can quietly rule it.

The anniversary follow-up seems to underscore this, with St. John revealing that every prime minister subsequent to Thatcher has been a mind-controlled pawn of his own. The series seems to me a tragic version of Morrison’s usual postmodern material, taking place in a world where no one quite discovers the libertatory power of imagination and is instead a cynical power broker of one sort or another.

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By: Da Fug http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657250 Da Fug Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:08:36 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657250 "I’ll most likely do this again sometime soon!!" YAY! I figured as much. In the world of comics, you can never run out of things that begin with the letter "X". :) “I’ll most likely do this again sometime soon!!”

YAY! I figured as much. In the world of comics, you can never run out of things that begin with the letter “X”. :)

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By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657242 Brian Cronin Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:17:17 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657242 You're right, Cosh, I should have been clearer - I mean that Zenith finally tries to do the right thing, where up until then, he really hasn't. But yeah, he is never the one who saves the day himself. You’re right, Cosh, I should have been clearer – I mean that Zenith finally tries to do the right thing, where up until then, he really hasn’t. But yeah, he is never the one who saves the day himself.

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By: Philip Ayres http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657240 Philip Ayres Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:13:42 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657240 > I really wish Zenith was available in trade form. It has been collected by titan some years back. However be prepared to pay through the nose for it. > I really wish Zenith was available in trade form.

It has been collected by titan some years back. However be prepared to pay through the nose for it.

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By: The Cosh http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657234 The Cosh Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:42:41 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657234 Great stuff. The first and still pretty much the only superhero story to appear in 2000AD. Zenith remains one of my favourite Morrison works and (if you ignore the foolish decision to have the last Phase in colour) also has some of Yeowell's best ever art, only really matched by the stuff he's doing now on The Red Seas. There are some bits in it that rank with the best Morrison's ever done: the brief renaissance of Siadwell Rhys - The Red Dragon - and the ultimate revelation at the end of Phase 4 spring to mind. However, I'm a bit perplexed by this: "Soon, of course, bad things popped up, and he had to step up, grow up and become a true superhero." As far as I remember it, part of the point is that Zenith never steps up; he never saves the day himself. It's always St. John or - in a particularly memorable sequence - one of his parallels: Vertex. Great stuff. The first and still pretty much the only superhero story to appear in 2000AD. Zenith remains one of my favourite Morrison works and (if you ignore the foolish decision to have the last Phase in colour) also has some of Yeowell’s best ever art, only really matched by the stuff he’s doing now on The Red Seas. There are some bits in it that rank with the best Morrison’s ever done: the brief renaissance of Siadwell Rhys – The Red Dragon – and the ultimate revelation at the end of Phase 4 spring to mind.

However, I’m a bit perplexed by this: “Soon, of course, bad things popped up, and he had to step up, grow up and become a true superhero.” As far as I remember it, part of the point is that Zenith never steps up; he never saves the day himself. It’s always St. John or – in a particularly memorable sequence – one of his parallels: Vertex.

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By: Bernard the Poet http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657217 Bernard the Poet Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:01:22 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657217 Hey, why am I anonymous? Hey, why am I anonymous?

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By: Anonymous http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657216 Anonymous Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:00:23 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657216 My problem with Zenith is that it started so well (the British superhero saying the Lord's prayer, whilst the Nazi superhero casually beats him to death.) The rest of it felt a bit of a let down after that. My problem with Zenith is that it started so well (the British superhero saying the Lord’s prayer, whilst the Nazi superhero casually beats him to death.) The rest of it felt a bit of a let down after that.

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By: Stephane Savoie http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657209 Stephane Savoie Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:10:16 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657209 I really wish Zenith was available in trade form. Publishers are teh suck. I really wish Zenith was available in trade form.
Publishers are teh suck.

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By: Andy Turnbull http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/18/comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-z/comment-page-1/#comment-657182 Andy Turnbull Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:54:22 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/?p=16056#comment-657182 Splendid. One of my favourite Morrison tales and a shame the ongoing copyright wrangles mean it won't be collected in trade form. Top notch stuff. The payoff at the end of Phase III with the bomb and the Lloigor is fantastic. Splendid. One of my favourite Morrison tales and a shame the ongoing copyright wrangles mean it won’t be collected in trade form.

Top notch stuff. The payoff at the end of Phase III with the bomb and the Lloigor is fantastic.

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