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	<title>Comments on: Valiant Comic Book Alphabet of Cool - D</title>
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		<title>By: Hondo</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/24/valiant-comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-d/comment-page-1/#comment-659406</link>
		<dc:creator>Hondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Scavenger, your saying that Acclaim had major talent working on the old Valiant characters up until the end means what ?  You agree with me that Acclaim had some good stuff that&#039;s been unfairly condemned by the hardcore original Valiant fans or you agree with them that despite having some of that phat talent in their stable Acclaim still wasn&#039;t very good.

IMO, Acclaim was a mixed bag but so was the original Valiant.  Some of it was definitely better than others.  One of the original Valiant concepts that never really grabbed me like some others was Rai.  It seemed like I was missing something there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Scavenger, your saying that Acclaim had major talent working on the old Valiant characters up until the end means what ?  You agree with me that Acclaim had some good stuff that's been unfairly condemned by the hardcore original Valiant fans or you agree with them that despite having some of that phat talent in their stable Acclaim still wasn't very good.</p>
<p>IMO, Acclaim was a mixed bag but so was the original Valiant.  Some of it was definitely better than others.  One of the original Valiant concepts that never really grabbed me like some others was Rai.  It seemed like I was missing something there.</p>
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		<title>By: Scavenger</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/24/valiant-comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-d/comment-page-1/#comment-659398</link>
		<dc:creator>Scavenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iâ€™ll never understand why thereâ€™s so much hate for the Acclaim series. Sure it wasnâ€™t the original Valiant,&quot;

And that&#039;s why.  The &quot;Valiant&quot; fans are possessed of Geoff Johns silver age lust, but to an extreeme, as Valiant only had 1 or 2 years before the creators all left and the books slid into mediocrity.

The Acclaim years...until the company folded, was filled with creators like Busiek, Priest, Nicieza, Waid, Peyer, Ellis, Delano, Kruger, Maquire, McDuffie. doing great books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Iâ€™ll never understand why thereâ€™s so much hate for the Acclaim series. Sure it wasnâ€™t the original Valiant,"</p>
<p>And that's why.  The "Valiant" fans are possessed of Geoff Johns silver age lust, but to an extreeme, as Valiant only had 1 or 2 years before the creators all left and the books slid into mediocrity.</p>
<p>The Acclaim years...until the company folded, was filled with creators like Busiek, Priest, Nicieza, Waid, Peyer, Ellis, Delano, Kruger, Maquire, McDuffie. doing great books.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sacal</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/24/valiant-comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-d/comment-page-1/#comment-659090</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sacal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hoping for exactly the opposite.

If I want to read about multiverses, I&#039;ll read DC.

VALIANT has to offer an alternative to what DC and Marvel do, not the same thing but different.

Be Yoohoo to DC&#039;s Coke and Marvel&#039;s Pepsi, Babylon 5 to Star Trek and Star Wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm hoping for exactly the opposite.</p>
<p>If I want to read about multiverses, I'll read DC.</p>
<p>VALIANT has to offer an alternative to what DC and Marvel do, not the same thing but different.</p>
<p>Be Yoohoo to DC's Coke and Marvel's Pepsi, Babylon 5 to Star Trek and Star Wars.</p>
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		<title>By: hondo</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/24/valiant-comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-d/comment-page-1/#comment-659089</link>
		<dc:creator>hondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m glad that didn&#039;t happen.  How lame is that ?  Hopefully the current VEI will integrate the best of both universes as neither imprint had a lock on the best character versions.  Maybe they could even do what DC did for years and retain parallel universes, building on different versions of each.  The Acclaim stuff was just so good I&#039;d hate to see it not acknowledge at least to some degree.

Priest had a new character in a series Concrete Jungle introduced.  I&#039;d like to see more of that as well as an updating of Trinity Angels and maybe even Giffen&#039;s Punx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I'm glad that didn't happen.  How lame is that ?  Hopefully the current VEI will integrate the best of both universes as neither imprint had a lock on the best character versions.  Maybe they could even do what DC did for years and retain parallel universes, building on different versions of each.  The Acclaim stuff was just so good I'd hate to see it not acknowledge at least to some degree.</p>
<p>Priest had a new character in a series Concrete Jungle introduced.  I'd like to see more of that as well as an updating of Trinity Angels and maybe even Giffen's Punx.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sacal</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/24/valiant-comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-d/comment-page-1/#comment-659078</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sacal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iâ€™d hate to see the original Bloodshot send the Acclaim version back into the drawer.&quot;

Consider that if Unity 2000 had been finsihed, the Acclaim version would have taken over the original version, who would have vanished after it drank the magic ink.

VEI has already expressed their intention to return the character to their pre-Acclaim state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Iâ€™d hate to see the original Bloodshot send the Acclaim version back into the drawer."</p>
<p>Consider that if Unity 2000 had been finsihed, the Acclaim version would have taken over the original version, who would have vanished after it drank the magic ink.</p>
<p>VEI has already expressed their intention to return the character to their pre-Acclaim state.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sacal</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/24/valiant-comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-d/comment-page-1/#comment-659077</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Sacal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I always thought of Acclaim as the Valiant Earth-2 universe and am pretty sure thatâ€™s what Unity 2000 was going to show when they ultimately would have mooshed the two universes into a â€œbest ofâ€ universe. Too bad that never finished.&quot;

I&#039;ve read Shooter&#039;s script for the final issues and seen the completed artwork for the remaining issues.


Spoilers (of a 9-year-old incomplete series, heh)




In the end, it turns out that the original VALIANT heroes were fakes that a writer in the real world (the VH 2 reality) created using magic ink that Lucifer gave him.

All the VALIANT characters vanish when the ink falls on them and Solar drinks it to sacrifice himself.

In the end, the &quot;real&quot; people, the VH 2 characters, are the ones that survive.

It was a crappy ending to a crappier Crisis on Infinite Earths-rip off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I always thought of Acclaim as the Valiant Earth-2 universe and am pretty sure thatâ€™s what Unity 2000 was going to show when they ultimately would have mooshed the two universes into a â€œbest ofâ€ universe. Too bad that never finished."</p>
<p>I've read Shooter's script for the final issues and seen the completed artwork for the remaining issues.</p>
<p>Spoilers (of a 9-year-old incomplete series, heh)</p>
<p>In the end, it turns out that the original VALIANT heroes were fakes that a writer in the real world (the VH 2 reality) created using magic ink that Lucifer gave him.</p>
<p>All the VALIANT characters vanish when the ink falls on them and Solar drinks it to sacrifice himself.</p>
<p>In the end, the "real" people, the VH 2 characters, are the ones that survive.</p>
<p>It was a crappy ending to a crappier Crisis on Infinite Earths-rip off.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quantm &amp; Woody is one of the funniest series ever, and the character interplay is fantastic, and it had some good healthy doses of drama.  This is one series that I&#039;m amazed didn&#039;t make it on the Top 100 Comic Runs list.

Although I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ve ever met anyone else that read it (thank you Hondo!) Len Kaminski&#039;s Bloodshot was one of the best comics of its time, too.  The rapport between writer and artist (Sal Velluto) was top-notch, it was sci-fi and superhero and spy at once, and the narration and dialogue were pure high octane poetry at times.  

And Acclaim&#039;s Shadowman was groovy too; I actually only started reading it once Serge Clermont and Clayton Crain took over, but it was a well-told story, a cool concept, and the storyworld seemed authentic.

Yeah, it&#039;d be great if they could do a Unity storyline with the present properties.  Does the new Valiant hold the rights to the Acclaim books?  It does, doesn&#039;t it?  I&#039;d hate to see the original Bloodshot send the Acclaim version back into the drawer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantm &amp; Woody is one of the funniest series ever, and the character interplay is fantastic, and it had some good healthy doses of drama.  This is one series that I'm amazed didn't make it on the Top 100 Comic Runs list.</p>
<p>Although I don't know if I've ever met anyone else that read it (thank you Hondo!) Len Kaminski's Bloodshot was one of the best comics of its time, too.  The rapport between writer and artist (Sal Velluto) was top-notch, it was sci-fi and superhero and spy at once, and the narration and dialogue were pure high octane poetry at times.  </p>
<p>And Acclaim's Shadowman was groovy too; I actually only started reading it once Serge Clermont and Clayton Crain took over, but it was a well-told story, a cool concept, and the storyworld seemed authentic.</p>
<p>Yeah, it'd be great if they could do a Unity storyline with the present properties.  Does the new Valiant hold the rights to the Acclaim books?  It does, doesn't it?  I'd hate to see the original Bloodshot send the Acclaim version back into the drawer.</p>
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		<title>By: Hondo</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/24/valiant-comic-book-alphabet-of-cool-d/comment-page-1/#comment-659031</link>
		<dc:creator>Hondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Darque Passages mini from Acclaim was 4 issues written by Christina Z and drawn by Leonardo Manco.  It&#039;s one of my favorite Acclaim series and is truly creepy.

I guess I hadn&#039;t thought of it until now, but that is one major point with the Valiant U : it doesn&#039;t have enough good villains.

I&#039;ll never understand why there&#039;s so much hate for the Acclaim series.  Sure it wasn&#039;t the original Valiant, and I agree that the early Valiant was as good as any superhero stuff I&#039;ve ever read, but Acclaim had some great stuff.  The Acclaim versions of Shadowman, Bloodshot and Turok were preferable to the Valiant versions IMO and they had some great new properties including Quantum &amp; Woody, Troublemakers, and Dr. Tomorrow.  I always thought of Acclaim as the Valiant Earth-2 universe and am pretty sure that&#039;s what Unity 2000 was going to show when they ultimately would have mooshed the two universes into a &quot;best of&quot; universe.  Too bad that never finished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Darque Passages mini from Acclaim was 4 issues written by Christina Z and drawn by Leonardo Manco.  It's one of my favorite Acclaim series and is truly creepy.</p>
<p>I guess I hadn't thought of it until now, but that is one major point with the Valiant U : it doesn't have enough good villains.</p>
<p>I'll never understand why there's so much hate for the Acclaim series.  Sure it wasn't the original Valiant, and I agree that the early Valiant was as good as any superhero stuff I've ever read, but Acclaim had some great stuff.  The Acclaim versions of Shadowman, Bloodshot and Turok were preferable to the Valiant versions IMO and they had some great new properties including Quantum &amp; Woody, Troublemakers, and Dr. Tomorrow.  I always thought of Acclaim as the Valiant Earth-2 universe and am pretty sure that's what Unity 2000 was going to show when they ultimately would have mooshed the two universes into a "best of" universe.  Too bad that never finished.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sacal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Sacal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Before Acclaim went out of business, I believe Warren Ellis had a pitch in for a Master Darque series. Does anyone happen to have any details?&quot;

The Acclaim version of Darque&#039;s next apperance before the universe was thankfully puut out of its misery was to be in the Final Solution, a crossover about Harbingers being put into concentration camps.

http://sonicdan.com/valiant/acclaimjuly98.html

There was some preview art for it either in the last few issues of Shadowman or the last issue of Acclaim&#039;s Darque Passages mini series (I don&#039;t recall). Any future plans for the character would have appeared there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Before Acclaim went out of business, I believe Warren Ellis had a pitch in for a Master Darque series. Does anyone happen to have any details?"</p>
<p>The Acclaim version of Darque's next apperance before the universe was thankfully puut out of its misery was to be in the Final Solution, a crossover about Harbingers being put into concentration camps.</p>
<p><a href="http://sonicdan.com/valiant/acclaimjuly98.html" rel="nofollow">http://sonicdan.com/valiant/acclaimjuly98.html</a></p>
<p>There was some preview art for it either in the last few issues of Shadowman or the last issue of Acclaim's Darque Passages mini series (I don't recall). Any future plans for the character would have appeared there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darque was pretty cool in the beginning, when he was mostly just a Shadowman villian.  But then he started showing up everywhere, and got very lame, very quickly. He was also showing up in Solar, and that team book they had (Secret Weapons, I think?). And a bit in Eternal Warrior and Archer &amp; Armstrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darque was pretty cool in the beginning, when he was mostly just a Shadowman villian.  But then he started showing up everywhere, and got very lame, very quickly. He was also showing up in Solar, and that team book they had (Secret Weapons, I think?). And a bit in Eternal Warrior and Archer &amp; Armstrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaq-Fu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaq-Fu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a fantastic idea to use 1 major villain, so that instead of having a bevy of schtick villains (like Spider-man and Batman) writers an focus on fleshing out the importance of one major character. The villain to hero ratio is already completely out of whack and Valiant did a fantastic job of keeping it down to earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a fantastic idea to use 1 major villain, so that instead of having a bevy of schtick villains (like Spider-man and Batman) writers an focus on fleshing out the importance of one major character. The villain to hero ratio is already completely out of whack and Valiant did a fantastic job of keeping it down to earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda liked that their villains were used in multiple books.  It made them feel more important and dangerous, and allowed for more character development than standard villains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda liked that their villains were used in multiple books.  It made them feel more important and dangerous, and allowed for more character development than standard villains.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valiant isn&#039;t the worst offender when it comes to multi-tasking villains.  Anyone remember the Marvel UK profliferation in the early 90s?  The Knights of Pendragon, Motormouth, Dark Angel, Death&#039;s Head II, Wild Thing... I can&#039;t remember all of them because they were pretty forgettable, although Motormouth was cool -- MyS-Tech the the central villain in every book!  No surprise it all dried up pretty quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valiant isn't the worst offender when it comes to multi-tasking villains.  Anyone remember the Marvel UK profliferation in the early 90s?  The Knights of Pendragon, Motormouth, Dark Angel, Death's Head II, Wild Thing... I can't remember all of them because they were pretty forgettable, although Motormouth was cool -- MyS-Tech the the central villain in every book!  No surprise it all dried up pretty quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d think he could maybe magic up some pants, if he was so all-powerful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You'd think he could maybe magic up some pants, if he was so all-powerful...</p>
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