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	<title>Comments on: Top 100 Comic Book Runs #9-7</title>
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		<title>By: Bill K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to know (more than two years later! It seems like yesterday! :) ) if any of the people who said above they were going to track down some of these books did so, and if so , what did they think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to know (more than two years later! It seems like yesterday! <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) if any of the people who said above they were going to track down some of these books did so, and if so , what did they think?</p>
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		<title>By: AirDave817</title>
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		<dc:creator>AirDave817</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Awesome! James Robinson #7 for Starman. One of my all-time favorite titles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Awesome! James Robinson #7 for Starman. One of my all-time favorite titles.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One a day this week, until Friday, when we get #1 and 2 together (as you can&#039;t very well post #2 and expect any surprise when #1 comes, right? :)).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One a day this week, until Friday, when we get #1 and 2 together (as you can&#8217;t very well post #2 and expect any surprise when #1 comes, right? <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve only getting 2 an entry now, I believe.

For #6-5, I&#039;m going to guess Miller Daredevil and maybe Swamp Thing, in some order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve only getting 2 an entry now, I believe.</p>
<p>For #6-5, I&#8217;m going to guess Miller Daredevil and maybe Swamp Thing, in some order.</p>
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		<title>By: Hondo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought we were supposed to get # 6 - 4 posted on Monday !  The suspense is killing me !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought we were supposed to get # 6 &#8211; 4 posted on Monday !  The suspense is killing me !</p>
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		<title>By: Mason King</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/25/top-100-comic-book-runs-9-7/comment-page-3/#comment-659266</link>
		<dc:creator>Mason King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rene â€” Absolutely, and I agree. The Lee/Ditko Spidey was far from sophisticated. And surely there is a rose-colored glasses effect for those of us who first read those issues when we were kids. I recently re-read the first six issues  (they were reprinted and inserted into the Sunday edition of the local paper, I think as a movie promo), and the certainly showed their age. Very clunky. I remember, though, that the run really started humming when the overarching storyline picked up steam and Ditko started stretching out (the first super-size Sinister Six story was a jaw-dropper). And I maintain that the run had a primal essence to it â€” a sense of lightning bottled â€” that still resonates with a lot of people today, and that the industry has tried to replicate ever since.

But it&#039;s all hair-splitting from here. I think we&#039;re all in agreement on the final six, which are all great and important for their own reasons. Rene, if you haven&#039;t already revealed your original top 10 (it&#039;s hard to keep track of everybody), I&#039;ve love to see it. I&#039;m sure you could put me on to some good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rene â€” Absolutely, and I agree. The Lee/Ditko Spidey was far from sophisticated. And surely there is a rose-colored glasses effect for those of us who first read those issues when we were kids. I recently re-read the first six issues  (they were reprinted and inserted into the Sunday edition of the local paper, I think as a movie promo), and the certainly showed their age. Very clunky. I remember, though, that the run really started humming when the overarching storyline picked up steam and Ditko started stretching out (the first super-size Sinister Six story was a jaw-dropper). And I maintain that the run had a primal essence to it â€” a sense of lightning bottled â€” that still resonates with a lot of people today, and that the industry has tried to replicate ever since.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s all hair-splitting from here. I think we&#8217;re all in agreement on the final six, which are all great and important for their own reasons. Rene, if you haven&#8217;t already revealed your original top 10 (it&#8217;s hard to keep track of everybody), I&#8217;ve love to see it. I&#8217;m sure you could put me on to some good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: entzauberung</title>
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		<dc:creator>entzauberung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Matt, the fact that you would dismiss Preacher as â€œtorture pornâ€ shows that you have either never read Preacher or more likely you have have no conception of what the term â€œtorture pornâ€ actually refers to and are just using it as a post-Hostel buzzword for â€œoh no shocking violence Iâ€™m oh so offended!â€ Either way, you come off looking about as amazingly ignorant as if you had attempted to decry Y the Last Man as the second coming of the S.C.U.M. Manifesto.&quot;

Seconded. The series has tons of heart and the New Year&#039;s Eve issue is among the sweetest damn things I&#039;ve ever read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Matt, the fact that you would dismiss Preacher as â€œtorture pornâ€ shows that you have either never read Preacher or more likely you have have no conception of what the term â€œtorture pornâ€ actually refers to and are just using it as a post-Hostel buzzword for â€œoh no shocking violence Iâ€™m oh so offended!â€ Either way, you come off looking about as amazingly ignorant as if you had attempted to decry Y the Last Man as the second coming of the S.C.U.M. Manifesto.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seconded. The series has tons of heart and the New Year&#8217;s Eve issue is among the sweetest damn things I&#8217;ve ever read.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Poole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Poole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm......

I think only Gaiman has a chance of keeping Stan Lee out of the top two. Claremont was reworking Lee&#039;s mutants remember. Magneto, the sentinels, Juggernaut, even the anti-Mutant hysteria all stemmed from Lee.  

(But then there was Phoenix and the Hellfire Club...blimey, this called be close, couldn&#039;t it?)

And Alan Moore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I think only Gaiman has a chance of keeping Stan Lee out of the top two. Claremont was reworking Lee&#8217;s mutants remember. Magneto, the sentinels, Juggernaut, even the anti-Mutant hysteria all stemmed from Lee.  </p>
<p>(But then there was Phoenix and the Hellfire Club&#8230;blimey, this called be close, couldn&#8217;t it?)</p>
<p>And Alan Moore&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hondo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Claremont has come to be the symbol of once great hasbeen, but most everyone universally acclaims the original Claremont / Byrne run as the very pinnacle of superhero runs ever.  They&#039;re more modern than, say, Lee / Ditko Spidey, and are more &quot;cool.&quot;  I LOVE original Spider-Man and don&#039;t think the character has ever been better than those first thirty-some issues, but popularity-wise and what do fans go back to read more often, most lean towards this X-run.

I love all 6 of these runs and consider them all great.  My personal # 1 is not even any of these 6, but was the Levitz run of Legion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Claremont has come to be the symbol of once great hasbeen, but most everyone universally acclaims the original Claremont / Byrne run as the very pinnacle of superhero runs ever.  They&#8217;re more modern than, say, Lee / Ditko Spidey, and are more &#8220;cool.&#8221;  I LOVE original Spider-Man and don&#8217;t think the character has ever been better than those first thirty-some issues, but popularity-wise and what do fans go back to read more often, most lean towards this X-run.</p>
<p>I love all 6 of these runs and consider them all great.  My personal # 1 is not even any of these 6, but was the Levitz run of Legion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mason, I agree that Ditko&#039;s Spidey is hugely fun. But I do think the old runs suffer, for two basic reasons: they&#039;re harder to find, and they&#039;re acquired tastes.

I just couldn&#039;t get into Silver Age comics when I was a teenager in the 80s. I thought those comics were dumb, unhip, the artwork ugly, the writing woody. It was just much later that I started to see those comics with different eyes, could get past the different style, and saw how fun they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mason, I agree that Ditko&#8217;s Spidey is hugely fun. But I do think the old runs suffer, for two basic reasons: they&#8217;re harder to find, and they&#8217;re acquired tastes.</p>
<p>I just couldn&#8217;t get into Silver Age comics when I was a teenager in the 80s. I thought those comics were dumb, unhip, the artwork ugly, the writing woody. It was just much later that I started to see those comics with different eyes, could get past the different style, and saw how fun they were.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite JLI moment has to be Black Canary&#039;s reaction to missing the famous punch.</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the first Starman TPB some time ago and just didn&#039;t care for it.  Then about a year ago I read it again, and said, &quot;Now I get it!&quot;  I&#039;m glad I gave it another try.

JLI is great, from what I&#039;ve seen of it.  As for Preacher, I never had any use for a comic full of disturbing violent images.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the first Starman TPB some time ago and just didn&#8217;t care for it.  Then about a year ago I read it again, and said, &#8220;Now I get it!&#8221;  I&#8217;m glad I gave it another try.</p>
<p>JLI is great, from what I&#8217;ve seen of it.  As for Preacher, I never had any use for a comic full of disturbing violent images.</p>
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		<title>By: Thenodrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thenodrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that Claremont/Byrne&#039;s X-Men is going to take the #1 spot, because I expect that a lot of people put X-Men on their list, and then decided their favourite run. I would be surprised to find that most of the people who voted for Claremont/Cockrum (for example) also voted for Claremont/Byrne.

Sandman, on the other hand, didn&#039;t have to split its vote with anyone.

Theno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that Claremont/Byrne&#8217;s X-Men is going to take the #1 spot, because I expect that a lot of people put X-Men on their list, and then decided their favourite run. I would be surprised to find that most of the people who voted for Claremont/Cockrum (for example) also voted for Claremont/Byrne.</p>
<p>Sandman, on the other hand, didn&#8217;t have to split its vote with anyone.</p>
<p>Theno</p>
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		<title>By: Mason King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mason King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rene â€” I definitely see your point. I guess it&#039;s partly a question of how voters perceived the assignment â€” your &quot;favorite&quot; runs, or &quot;greatest&quot; runs, or &quot;important&quot; runs, etc. My list was mix of stuff I loved as a kid, and what I like now (Full disclosure: I&#039;m responsible for one of the first-place votes for Moore&#039;s &quot;Top 10.&quot;) The Lee/Ditko Spidey obviously isn&#039;t as fresh and present in the minds of voters as &quot;Sandman&quot;; and Gaiman&#039;s stuff is so much more sophisticated and resonates on so many more levels. But, in it&#039;s way, that early Spider run is just as enjoyable. It has a lot of heart, and it&#039;s so much fun. It&#039;s not just about &quot;respect.&quot; It&#039;s a marvelous (sorry) distillation of what&#039;s fun about comics.  

That run is like your first kiss â€” a little awkward maybe, simple, but tremendously exciting and (hopefully) uncomplicated, and it makes you want to swing around the city screaming &quot;Wha-hoo!&quot;

One scenario I see is a majority of folks naming Spidey their second or third pick (leaving No. 1 to their current favorite), and thus outweighing a fewer number of people picking &quot;Sandman&quot; as No. 1. But only Brian knows ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rene â€” I definitely see your point. I guess it&#8217;s partly a question of how voters perceived the assignment â€” your &#8220;favorite&#8221; runs, or &#8220;greatest&#8221; runs, or &#8220;important&#8221; runs, etc. My list was mix of stuff I loved as a kid, and what I like now (Full disclosure: I&#8217;m responsible for one of the first-place votes for Moore&#8217;s &#8220;Top 10.&#8221;) The Lee/Ditko Spidey obviously isn&#8217;t as fresh and present in the minds of voters as &#8220;Sandman&#8221;; and Gaiman&#8217;s stuff is so much more sophisticated and resonates on so many more levels. But, in it&#8217;s way, that early Spider run is just as enjoyable. It has a lot of heart, and it&#8217;s so much fun. It&#8217;s not just about &#8220;respect.&#8221; It&#8217;s a marvelous (sorry) distillation of what&#8217;s fun about comics.  </p>
<p>That run is like your first kiss â€” a little awkward maybe, simple, but tremendously exciting and (hopefully) uncomplicated, and it makes you want to swing around the city screaming &#8220;Wha-hoo!&#8221;</p>
<p>One scenario I see is a majority of folks naming Spidey their second or third pick (leaving No. 1 to their current favorite), and thus outweighing a fewer number of people picking &#8220;Sandman&#8221; as No. 1. But only Brian knows &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the top 6 coming up, I have to agree, that the top 6 will be:
Claremont/ Byrne X-MEN 
Lee/ Kirby Fantastic Four
Lee/ Ditko Spiderman
Gaiman&#039;s Sandman 
Miller&#039;s Daredevil 
Moore&#039;s Swamp Thing

I can&#039;t see any other scenario in which that is NOT the top 6. They&#039;re the most highly regarded runs in the history of the medium and they have yet to appear on the list. There is absolutely no doubt that this is the top 6, the only question is which one will take the top spot (I say Claremont/ Byrne X-men).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the top 6 coming up, I have to agree, that the top 6 will be:<br />
Claremont/ Byrne X-MEN<br />
Lee/ Kirby Fantastic Four<br />
Lee/ Ditko Spiderman<br />
Gaiman&#8217;s Sandman<br />
Miller&#8217;s Daredevil<br />
Moore&#8217;s Swamp Thing</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see any other scenario in which that is NOT the top 6. They&#8217;re the most highly regarded runs in the history of the medium and they have yet to appear on the list. There is absolutely no doubt that this is the top 6, the only question is which one will take the top spot (I say Claremont/ Byrne X-men).</p>
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		<title>By: adam!</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m not sure Sandman is more universally popular than Claremont &amp; Byrneâ€™s X-Men. Very few fans wonâ€™t say that it wasnâ€™t a huge part of their collection at some point. Not everyone is going to say that about Sandman, methinks.&lt;/i&gt;

i&#039;m not a very big Gaiman fan (like Ellis, he just repeats himself too much in his stuff) but i disagree with this assessment, keeping in mind the thousands (and i do mean thousands) of Filipinos who lined up for more than twelve hours to get his signature, and that was just for one of the three days he was here back in 2005 (could be wrong with the date, though), from high school kids to fat-ass dads. reportedly, the only other country that was that big of a surprise for him was Brasil. i don&#039;t think Claremont&#039;s (or Ellis, or Ennis, or Morrison, or even Moore, for that matter) that universally popular. maybe with comic book people in general, but not universally, &quot;universal&quot; including people outside comic book people.

as an aside, Templesmith was here, too, to promote THIRTY DAYS OF NIGHT. reportedly, only fifteen people came to the signing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Iâ€™m not sure Sandman is more universally popular than Claremont &amp; Byrneâ€™s X-Men. Very few fans wonâ€™t say that it wasnâ€™t a huge part of their collection at some point. Not everyone is going to say that about Sandman, methinks.</i></p>
<p>i&#8217;m not a very big Gaiman fan (like Ellis, he just repeats himself too much in his stuff) but i disagree with this assessment, keeping in mind the thousands (and i do mean thousands) of Filipinos who lined up for more than twelve hours to get his signature, and that was just for one of the three days he was here back in 2005 (could be wrong with the date, though), from high school kids to fat-ass dads. reportedly, the only other country that was that big of a surprise for him was Brasil. i don&#8217;t think Claremont&#8217;s (or Ellis, or Ennis, or Morrison, or even Moore, for that matter) that universally popular. maybe with comic book people in general, but not universally, &#8220;universal&#8221; including people outside comic book people.</p>
<p>as an aside, Templesmith was here, too, to promote THIRTY DAYS OF NIGHT. reportedly, only fifteen people came to the signing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Poole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Poole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For my money (if anybody&#039;d running a book), Ditko&#039;s Spidey &amp; Sandman are the two I revisit time &amp; again. I bought the Spidey omnibus despite having them all reprinted already and I take it down daily and stroke it while making a kind of cat-like purring sound. 

And Sandman is Sandman.

Ditko for the pictures and inventing all the best bits of Spider-man and Sandman for the stories.

A tie?

Of course I&#039;ve I got the first two FF omnibuses too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my money (if anybody&#8217;d running a book), Ditko&#8217;s Spidey &amp; Sandman are the two I revisit time &amp; again. I bought the Spidey omnibus despite having them all reprinted already and I take it down daily and stroke it while making a kind of cat-like purring sound. </p>
<p>And Sandman is Sandman.</p>
<p>Ditko for the pictures and inventing all the best bits of Spider-man and Sandman for the stories.</p>
<p>A tie?</p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;ve I got the first two FF omnibuses too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/25/top-100-comic-book-runs-9-7/comment-page-2/#comment-659188</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, the fact that you would dismiss Preacher as &quot;torture porn&quot; shows that you have either never read Preacher or more likely you have have no conception of what the term &quot;torture porn&quot; actually refers to and are just using it as a post-Hostel buzzword for &quot;oh no shocking violence I&#039;m oh so offended!&quot;  Either way, you come off looking about as amazingly ignorant as if you had attempted to decry Y the Last Man as the second coming of the S.C.U.M. Manifesto.

Preacher is about as far as you can get from torture porn, in that the horrific violence always takes a backseat to the character work, and the events of the series ultimately leads to the the protagonists growing as people and finding redemption.  

By contrast, the best example of the equivalent of torture porn in the comics medium right now is probably The Walking Dead, in that the entire series has no planned arc beyond Kirkman constantly mutilating or killing his characters and making their lives worse and worse with no storytelling goal in sight other than prolonging the series and the suffering of the characters as long as he can think up ways to make their lives worse, and only one significant moment of character development (&quot;WE ARE THE WALKING DEAD!&quot;) in nearly 50 issues.  Regardless of the shock value in Preacher, at least Ennis knew what he was working towards with the series, had an end goal in sight, and clearly had affection for the characters.  I&#039;d be hard-pressed to think of any character in The Walking Dead who comes off as anything more than a plot device destined for a horrible death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, the fact that you would dismiss Preacher as &#8220;torture porn&#8221; shows that you have either never read Preacher or more likely you have have no conception of what the term &#8220;torture porn&#8221; actually refers to and are just using it as a post-Hostel buzzword for &#8220;oh no shocking violence I&#8217;m oh so offended!&#8221;  Either way, you come off looking about as amazingly ignorant as if you had attempted to decry Y the Last Man as the second coming of the S.C.U.M. Manifesto.</p>
<p>Preacher is about as far as you can get from torture porn, in that the horrific violence always takes a backseat to the character work, and the events of the series ultimately leads to the the protagonists growing as people and finding redemption.  </p>
<p>By contrast, the best example of the equivalent of torture porn in the comics medium right now is probably The Walking Dead, in that the entire series has no planned arc beyond Kirkman constantly mutilating or killing his characters and making their lives worse and worse with no storytelling goal in sight other than prolonging the series and the suffering of the characters as long as he can think up ways to make their lives worse, and only one significant moment of character development (&#8220;WE ARE THE WALKING DEAD!&#8221;) in nearly 50 issues.  Regardless of the shock value in Preacher, at least Ennis knew what he was working towards with the series, had an end goal in sight, and clearly had affection for the characters.  I&#8217;d be hard-pressed to think of any character in The Walking Dead who comes off as anything more than a plot device destined for a horrible death.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/25/top-100-comic-book-runs-9-7/comment-page-2/#comment-659160</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first seven issues or so of the Justice League, without the &quot;International&quot; part ,was the most fun comic book super-hero I had ever read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first seven issues or so of the Justice League, without the &#8220;International&#8221; part ,was the most fun comic book super-hero I had ever read.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Loughlin</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/04/25/top-100-comic-book-runs-9-7/comment-page-2/#comment-659157</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Loughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandman has a lot of fans, but Claremont/ Byrne X-Men has been read and loved by just about everyone. It set the tone and art-style for Marvel in the &#039;80s and &#039;90s (when most people reading this blog were pre-teens &amp; teenagers), and even effected DC- what was Teen Titans if not the Claremont/ Byrne style fused with DC characters (half of whom were new, a la Giant Size X-Men #1)? Even the badwill Claremont &amp; Byrne have inspired in the past decade hasn&#039;t dimmed the luster of their X-Men comics. Dark Phoenix Saga is often regarded as the best story from the best-selling comic of the &#039;80s &amp; &#039;90s. I&#039;ll be surprised if it&#039;s not number 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandman has a lot of fans, but Claremont/ Byrne X-Men has been read and loved by just about everyone. It set the tone and art-style for Marvel in the &#8217;80s and &#8217;90s (when most people reading this blog were pre-teens &amp; teenagers), and even effected DC- what was Teen Titans if not the Claremont/ Byrne style fused with DC characters (half of whom were new, a la Giant Size X-Men #1)? Even the badwill Claremont &amp; Byrne have inspired in the past decade hasn&#8217;t dimmed the luster of their X-Men comics. Dark Phoenix Saga is often regarded as the best story from the best-selling comic of the &#8217;80s &amp; &#8217;90s. I&#8217;ll be surprised if it&#8217;s not number 1.</p>
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