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	<title>Comments on: Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #153</title>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-671092</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just going to second the Texiera love.  When he was making Wolverine look like Clint Eastwood, that was my most cherished comic book memory as a child.  Platt is in many ways worse than Liefeld.  He can make a hell of an ass kicking cover, if he has 4 months to draw it.  If anyone has ever seen that &quot;man who&#039;s arms blew up&quot; documentary, that made me think of Liefeld.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm just going to second the Texiera love.  When he was making Wolverine look like Clint Eastwood, that was my most cherished comic book memory as a child.  Platt is in many ways worse than Liefeld.  He can make a hell of an ass kicking cover, if he has 4 months to draw it.  If anyone has ever seen that "man who's arms blew up" documentary, that made me think of Liefeld.</p>
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		<title>By: Xanadude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xanadude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morrison did leave an opening to bring Conjura into the DCU proper if someone wanted to -- in the Zatanna mini, she was friends with Ali-Ka-Zoom, who used the same type of magic Zatanna did.  Conjura could be Ali&#039;s daughter, a contemporary friend of Zatanna&#039;s who used her magic on a much smaller scale (Ali-Ka-Zoom was the Magicians of the Ghetto) to defend her neighborhood or something similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morrison did leave an opening to bring Conjura into the DCU proper if someone wanted to -- in the Zatanna mini, she was friends with Ali-Ka-Zoom, who used the same type of magic Zatanna did.  Conjura could be Ali's daughter, a contemporary friend of Zatanna's who used her magic on a much smaller scale (Ali-Ka-Zoom was the Magicians of the Ghetto) to defend her neighborhood or something similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-661891</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, yo, I&#039;m just glad that I&#039;m not the only one who was unsettled by &quot;pocket park.&quot; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, yo, I'm just glad that I'm not the only one who was unsettled by "pocket park." <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: yo go re</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-661884</link>
		<dc:creator>yo go re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Conjura&#039;s weakness is chalkboards? She can&#039;t pass one without writing on it? It&#039;s kind of like pouring sand in front of a vampire, I guess. I almost wish Grant Morrison had used Conjura in the 7 Soldiers Zatana book: not as the main character or anything, but just in a small cameo with all the other weird magic users...

--yo
gets arrested when he invites teens to meet him at the &quot;pocket park&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Conjura's weakness is chalkboards? She can't pass one without writing on it? It's kind of like pouring sand in front of a vampire, I guess. I almost wish Grant Morrison had used Conjura in the 7 Soldiers Zatana book: not as the main character or anything, but just in a small cameo with all the other weird magic users...</p>
<p>--yo<br />
gets arrested when he invites teens to meet him at the "pocket park"</p>
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		<title>By: Comics Should Be Good! &#187; Conjura Pictures!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comics Should Be Good! &#187; Conjura Pictures!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me some scans of Conjura, who I featured in Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #153. Check them out here. Comments [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me some scans of Conjura, who I featured in Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #153. Check them out here. Comments [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 19:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing up reading the likes of John Buscema, John Byrne, Michael Golden among others, it&#039;s a crime to find that Liefeld is on the same line of bussiness as they.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up reading the likes of John Buscema, John Byrne, Michael Golden among others, it's a crime to find that Liefeld is on the same line of bussiness as they.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660917</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out some of his Armageddon pages he&#039;s doing. It looks great. He&#039;s finally found a colorist who can compliment him. That&#039;s all he really needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out some of his Armageddon pages he's doing. It looks great. He's finally found a colorist who can compliment him. That's all he really needed.</p>
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		<title>By: R. J. Sterling</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660852</link>
		<dc:creator>R. J. Sterling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 23:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t look at Liefeld art anymore without wanting to cry or punch someone. It&#039;s just sickening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't look at Liefeld art anymore without wanting to cry or punch someone. It's just sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: Xanadude</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660707</link>
		<dc:creator>Xanadude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the main thing about Liefeld&#039;s artwork is his ENERGY.  You can criticize his artwork, but every piece of his work just has this...feel...about it. 

My main criticism of the man is the business practice of soliciting something that isn&#039;t finished.  Or even partially completed.  It really does seem that he&#039;ll wake up, have an idea strike him as &quot;Cool,&quot; draw up a promo piece or a five page story, and then solicit it as a series.  Along the way he&#039;ll lose interest and go onto the next &quot;cool&quot; idea.

Which is one of the reason I&#039;m really digging the current Youngblood series -- it&#039;s actually a fully realized series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main thing about Liefeld's artwork is his ENERGY.  You can criticize his artwork, but every piece of his work just has this...feel...about it. </p>
<p>My main criticism of the man is the business practice of soliciting something that isn't finished.  Or even partially completed.  It really does seem that he'll wake up, have an idea strike him as "Cool," draw up a promo piece or a five page story, and then solicit it as a series.  Along the way he'll lose interest and go onto the next "cool" idea.</p>
<p>Which is one of the reason I'm really digging the current Youngblood series -- it's actually a fully realized series.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hoskin</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660639</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hoskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be a tragedy if Liefeld caught a cold. Let&#039;s all pitch in and find him a good wrap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be a tragedy if Liefeld caught a cold. Let's all pitch in and find him a good wrap.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660600</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 12:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate elitist fanboys. The art and stories in today&#039;s comics are excruciatingly boring and trite. I don&#039;t know why Liefeld gets a bad wrap other than it gives unpublished artists a false sense of accomplishment in their own art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate elitist fanboys. The art and stories in today's comics are excruciatingly boring and trite. I don't know why Liefeld gets a bad wrap other than it gives unpublished artists a false sense of accomplishment in their own art.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660383</link>
		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 22:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is it because of the overall aesthetic, the dynamic eye candy, and because he knows more in regards to anatomay and doesnâ€™t promote lawsuits and concern over rip offs, but why isnâ€™t he criticized?&quot;


Bart Sears is just a penciller, Rob Liefeld is a symbol of a certain style of penciller. He attracts more ire from people who despise his style (such as me).

John Byrne, who was once my idol when he wasn&#039;t as crazy as he is today, said something particularly smart. When examining the material of this week&#039;s next hot artist, pay attention not only to how he draws action scenes featuring people in spandex, but also to how he depicts everyday quiet scenes with people wearing normal clothes. How he does backgrounds. How he does normal vehicles, normal buildings, forests, normal animals...

When looking at Liefeld&#039;s scant background work and how his depiction of normal people in an office room is bizarre, distorted, and unconvincing, I became more convinced than ever that his art is truly worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Is it because of the overall aesthetic, the dynamic eye candy, and because he knows more in regards to anatomay and doesnâ€™t promote lawsuits and concern over rip offs, but why isnâ€™t he criticized?"</p>
<p>Bart Sears is just a penciller, Rob Liefeld is a symbol of a certain style of penciller. He attracts more ire from people who despise his style (such as me).</p>
<p>John Byrne, who was once my idol when he wasn't as crazy as he is today, said something particularly smart. When examining the material of this week's next hot artist, pay attention not only to how he draws action scenes featuring people in spandex, but also to how he depicts everyday quiet scenes with people wearing normal clothes. How he does backgrounds. How he does normal vehicles, normal buildings, forests, normal animals...</p>
<p>When looking at Liefeld's scant background work and how his depiction of normal people in an office room is bizarre, distorted, and unconvincing, I became more convinced than ever that his art is truly worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: Hondo</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660376</link>
		<dc:creator>Hondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 22:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of the reason for his appeal back in the day is the pure dynamics he brought to the game and the fact that, anatomy be damned, he was a product of the 90&#039;s.  His stuff really reached out and had a feel all their own.  His stuff is energetic and I can appreciate that.  I don&#039;t think his stuff is the absolute worse stuff I&#039;ve ever seen.  In fact, as time goes on, I like the aforementioned Bart Sears&#039; work less and less, but I feel both he and Liefeld are in dire need of the same element to greatly improve their work : someone besides themselves to ink their pencils.

As pencilers I think they both have that same dynamic, but having the right inker not just trace but enhance the pencils to give them a dimension they lack while still building on the basic pencils that have been laid down is what both these guys really need.  It also takes an editor to help coordinate and bring that team together to make it work.  Sadly, too few fans really understand both of these roles as the marquee glamour all goes to the writer and artist.  Let&#039;s throw colorist in with editor and inker as roles that most fans don&#039;t fully grasp or appreciate in what they really bring to the overall product.

I&#039;d love to see an uninked page by either of these artists / pencilers, and then show a variety of &quot;after&quot; copies of the page after they are inked by different inker to visually show what an inker can do with the pencils that they are given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the reason for his appeal back in the day is the pure dynamics he brought to the game and the fact that, anatomy be damned, he was a product of the 90's.  His stuff really reached out and had a feel all their own.  His stuff is energetic and I can appreciate that.  I don't think his stuff is the absolute worse stuff I've ever seen.  In fact, as time goes on, I like the aforementioned Bart Sears' work less and less, but I feel both he and Liefeld are in dire need of the same element to greatly improve their work : someone besides themselves to ink their pencils.</p>
<p>As pencilers I think they both have that same dynamic, but having the right inker not just trace but enhance the pencils to give them a dimension they lack while still building on the basic pencils that have been laid down is what both these guys really need.  It also takes an editor to help coordinate and bring that team together to make it work.  Sadly, too few fans really understand both of these roles as the marquee glamour all goes to the writer and artist.  Let's throw colorist in with editor and inker as roles that most fans don't fully grasp or appreciate in what they really bring to the overall product.</p>
<p>I'd love to see an uninked page by either of these artists / pencilers, and then show a variety of "after" copies of the page after they are inked by different inker to visually show what an inker can do with the pencils that they are given.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen K</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660346</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info. 
I know I&#039;ve read writers and other artists defending him also but in the sense that he&#039;s someone who&#039;s always had lots of potential for growth but never seems to follow through. 

He has obviously some very good ideas in creating a comic book, but his art seems to be exactly the same as it was in the &#039;90&#039;s. Granted, not everyone&#039;s art needs to change, but the fact that his sense of anatomy doesn&#039;t seem to have improved all that much. (Although he did admit his big-busted Cap was very wrong.) 

But, perhaps he just doesn&#039;t care. I&#039;m sure he knows all the ridicule that is out there, but maybe he just doesn&#039;t do anything different because he knows people will still buy his artwork anyway.

I&#039;d be more displeased with his lateness than artwork really. I mean he puts out that Supreme/Suprema flip book but where is the rest of the story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info.<br />
I know I've read writers and other artists defending him also but in the sense that he's someone who's always had lots of potential for growth but never seems to follow through. </p>
<p>He has obviously some very good ideas in creating a comic book, but his art seems to be exactly the same as it was in the '90's. Granted, not everyone's art needs to change, but the fact that his sense of anatomy doesn't seem to have improved all that much. (Although he did admit his big-busted Cap was very wrong.) </p>
<p>But, perhaps he just doesn't care. I'm sure he knows all the ridicule that is out there, but maybe he just doesn't do anything different because he knows people will still buy his artwork anyway.</p>
<p>I'd be more displeased with his lateness than artwork really. I mean he puts out that Supreme/Suprema flip book but where is the rest of the story?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynxara</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660344</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynxara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;ve heard about Rob still getting work is that he has many friends in powerful places in the industry that genuinely like him and his work, and are willing to keep giving him chances despite the way the fan rabble and especially the internet has turned him into a joke. In particular, Rob goes way back with currently-hot writer Jeph Loeb, and I want to say some other Marvel writers have tried to defend him as a modern-day Jack Kirby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I've heard about Rob still getting work is that he has many friends in powerful places in the industry that genuinely like him and his work, and are willing to keep giving him chances despite the way the fan rabble and especially the internet has turned him into a joke. In particular, Rob goes way back with currently-hot writer Jeph Loeb, and I want to say some other Marvel writers have tried to defend him as a modern-day Jack Kirby.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen K</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660342</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, anyone know where I could get a copy of that dictionary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, anyone know where I could get a copy of that dictionary?</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen K</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/01/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-153/comment-page-2/#comment-660341</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Image first came out, I had mixed feelings towards Liefeld, his wannabe&#039;s, McFarlane, and his wannabe&#039;s. 

There were so many rip off characters in the titles, and every team seemed to almost be the same ... they all had one BIG guy, for instance.

I recognized Liefeld&#039;s anatomy problems. I recognized every character had an &quot;arrow&quot; for a nose, their hands were always clenched into fists, and they all had lines all over their skin, and usually holding a big gun.

Still, there really was an energy to the titles compared to what else was out there. There was an &quot;eye candy&quot; feel to the dynamic use of panels, endless splash panels and pages, and the characters all had this style that seemed to be the lamborghini to the big two&#039;s beetle.

I think it was just so different compared to what many grew up with. The same formula of how to create a comic was finally energized with something new. Furthermore, the 1990&#039;s were all about &quot;flash&quot; and &quot;style&quot; over substance. While there were obviously some exceptions, just look at all the neon, the heat induced color change t-shirts, and so forth. 

In cartoons, the style was changed to appeal to a younger &quot;hip&quot; market. The biggest example of this, in my opinion is &quot;Yo Yogi&quot; where Yogi Bear and other Hanna-Barbera characters are now tweens wearing bright neon colors with their &quot;cool&quot; clothes. The New Archies come to mind, although I think they were on the cusp of the 80&#039;s more so than the 90&#039;s.

I think the analysis that the 13 year old would be drawn to Liefeld and company&#039;s art more than others for said reasons, but I think that the &quot;eye candy&quot; as mentioned above drew others as well.

The extra violence or darker nature obviously stuck with us, and the appeal to be more dynamic with poses and panels and profiles still exist also. The cheesecake and so-called sex appeal of showcasing a female character&#039;s anatomy is still with us, although it isn&#039;t as bad as it was back then.

I remember reading an article about how Liefeld was upset that there was so much &quot;blood on boobs&quot; and that he wasn&#039;t going to do that, or at least, not have a valid reason, but I don&#039;t think that was actually honored. Every woman in Image at the time basicly had a blood on her exaggerated breasts, and a big sword for the over-compensating artist also was drawn a lot.

In any case, I find I&#039;m in a love hate relationship with Liefeld. I look at that Captain America cover, for example, and shudder that he was able to get into the industry. But then, DC, for example has had some truly horrifying artists in their line up (see some issues of Superboy for example), so it&#039;s not that big of a surprise. So, I recognize and shudder at Liefeld&#039;s incompetence, and yet I still find myself drawn to his recent Onslaught and Teen Titans runs where despite that lack of artistic competence, I find there&#039;s still that aesthetic appeal to it at times. Seeing his Enchantress and Scarlet Witch, I analyzed how inaccurate their anatomy was, and yet loving the overall presentation. But maybe there&#039;s just too much &quot;13&quot; in this 31 year old..

Still, artists like Bart Sears who drew every woman with a jaw structure the exact same as his men, and who often looked like a man with breasts and pursed lips, and had his own set of wannabe&#039;s (think &quot;Eclipso&quot;) and who was a big part of the 90&#039;s isn&#039;t scrutinized. I mean I know I have a love/hate relationship with him also. I cringe at his Power Girl, and yet love reading his issues of &quot;Justice League Europe.&quot;

Is it because of the overall aesthetic, the dynamic eye candy, and because he knows more in regards to anatomay and doesn&#039;t promote lawsuits and concern over rip offs, but why isn&#039;t he criticized? 

Furthermore, if everyone hates Liefeld so much, and if everyone is able to see how wrong his art can be, why do Publishers still request his work? (Granted it&#039;s limited, but still it&#039;s out there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Image first came out, I had mixed feelings towards Liefeld, his wannabe's, McFarlane, and his wannabe's. </p>
<p>There were so many rip off characters in the titles, and every team seemed to almost be the same ... they all had one BIG guy, for instance.</p>
<p>I recognized Liefeld's anatomy problems. I recognized every character had an "arrow" for a nose, their hands were always clenched into fists, and they all had lines all over their skin, and usually holding a big gun.</p>
<p>Still, there really was an energy to the titles compared to what else was out there. There was an "eye candy" feel to the dynamic use of panels, endless splash panels and pages, and the characters all had this style that seemed to be the lamborghini to the big two's beetle.</p>
<p>I think it was just so different compared to what many grew up with. The same formula of how to create a comic was finally energized with something new. Furthermore, the 1990's were all about "flash" and "style" over substance. While there were obviously some exceptions, just look at all the neon, the heat induced color change t-shirts, and so forth. </p>
<p>In cartoons, the style was changed to appeal to a younger "hip" market. The biggest example of this, in my opinion is "Yo Yogi" where Yogi Bear and other Hanna-Barbera characters are now tweens wearing bright neon colors with their "cool" clothes. The New Archies come to mind, although I think they were on the cusp of the 80's more so than the 90's.</p>
<p>I think the analysis that the 13 year old would be drawn to Liefeld and company's art more than others for said reasons, but I think that the "eye candy" as mentioned above drew others as well.</p>
<p>The extra violence or darker nature obviously stuck with us, and the appeal to be more dynamic with poses and panels and profiles still exist also. The cheesecake and so-called sex appeal of showcasing a female character's anatomy is still with us, although it isn't as bad as it was back then.</p>
<p>I remember reading an article about how Liefeld was upset that there was so much "blood on boobs" and that he wasn't going to do that, or at least, not have a valid reason, but I don't think that was actually honored. Every woman in Image at the time basicly had a blood on her exaggerated breasts, and a big sword for the over-compensating artist also was drawn a lot.</p>
<p>In any case, I find I'm in a love hate relationship with Liefeld. I look at that Captain America cover, for example, and shudder that he was able to get into the industry. But then, DC, for example has had some truly horrifying artists in their line up (see some issues of Superboy for example), so it's not that big of a surprise. So, I recognize and shudder at Liefeld's incompetence, and yet I still find myself drawn to his recent Onslaught and Teen Titans runs where despite that lack of artistic competence, I find there's still that aesthetic appeal to it at times. Seeing his Enchantress and Scarlet Witch, I analyzed how inaccurate their anatomy was, and yet loving the overall presentation. But maybe there's just too much "13" in this 31 year old..</p>
<p>Still, artists like Bart Sears who drew every woman with a jaw structure the exact same as his men, and who often looked like a man with breasts and pursed lips, and had his own set of wannabe's (think "Eclipso") and who was a big part of the 90's isn't scrutinized. I mean I know I have a love/hate relationship with him also. I cringe at his Power Girl, and yet love reading his issues of "Justice League Europe."</p>
<p>Is it because of the overall aesthetic, the dynamic eye candy, and because he knows more in regards to anatomay and doesn't promote lawsuits and concern over rip offs, but why isn't he criticized? </p>
<p>Furthermore, if everyone hates Liefeld so much, and if everyone is able to see how wrong his art can be, why do Publishers still request his work? (Granted it's limited, but still it's out there.)</p>
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		<title>By: UltimateToronto.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 17:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who saw those Fighting American comics on the shelves when released, post Liefeld&#039;s Captain America run, couldn&#039;t help but crack a smile.  I mean, c&#039;mon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who saw those Fighting American comics on the shelves when released, post Liefeld's Captain America run, couldn't help but crack a smile.  I mean, c'mon.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 16:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And TBH, I prefer the 90s â€œArtists ruleâ€ era over the post 2000 â€œWriters rule, and artists must trace photosâ€ era.&quot;

Not me, friend.

I prefer anything but the &quot;hot artist rule&quot;. God, give me the Complete Collected Works of Brian Bendis over any of that early Image Comics stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"And TBH, I prefer the 90s â€œArtists ruleâ€ era over the post 2000 â€œWriters rule, and artists must trace photosâ€ era."</p>
<p>Not me, friend.</p>
<p>I prefer anything but the "hot artist rule". God, give me the Complete Collected Works of Brian Bendis over any of that early Image Comics stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Streaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 15:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A little implied racism maybe, in creating a black character and putting her into a story dealing with a rat problem in the ghetto? Of all the stories that they could â€œcut and pasteâ€ a token black character they picked that one?&quot;

Nothing implied about it, imho.  It was maybe spawned from cultural ignorance, but that would be the norm for the entire comic book industry at the time that &#039;dictionary&#039; was created.  Maybe the dictionary editors were feeling the impact of the popular Sesame Street show, where the characters lived in an urban setting, and felt compelled to keep the story in that setting.

Also, even though John Stewart had been introduced as a character, he was a token black male with anger management issues, so I&#039;m sure any editor who knew the character&#039;s background would&#039;ve nixed his appearance as being too controversial for a children&#039;s book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"A little implied racism maybe, in creating a black character and putting her into a story dealing with a rat problem in the ghetto? Of all the stories that they could â€œcut and pasteâ€ a token black character they picked that one?"</p>
<p>Nothing implied about it, imho.  It was maybe spawned from cultural ignorance, but that would be the norm for the entire comic book industry at the time that 'dictionary' was created.  Maybe the dictionary editors were feeling the impact of the popular Sesame Street show, where the characters lived in an urban setting, and felt compelled to keep the story in that setting.</p>
<p>Also, even though John Stewart had been introduced as a character, he was a token black male with anger management issues, so I'm sure any editor who knew the character's background would've nixed his appearance as being too controversial for a children's book.</p>
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