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JMS Knows Team-Ups

Monday, May 12th, 2008 at 2:38 PM EST

Updated: Monday, May 12th, 2008 at 2:38 PM EST

Check out some of the team-ups he says he has in the works for his run on Brave and the Bold:

Batman and the Spectre, Lex Luthor and Swamp Thing, Deadman and Wonder Woman, Constantine and Eclipso, Superman and Sgt. Rock, Challengers of the Unknown and the Metal Men, and the Legion of Substitute Heroes with the Inferior Five.

That’s some impressive team-upping right there.

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JMS really wants me to buy his comics.

Must resist. :)

Hope Constantine and Swamp Thing pan out.

Legion of Substitute Heroes… and the Inferior Five… teamup.

I think my head just exploded from awesome overload.

huh. why did i think Brave & Bold was cancelled?

“huh. why did i think Brave & Bold was cancelled?”

Because despite it being a fun comic, the sales are extremely low.

The reasons have ranged from “it’s too old school” to “it isn’t ‘important’ to continuity” to “it’s too hard to follow” depending on what message board posts you read.

I do hope JMS will be going for more done-in-one issues rather than Waid’s mega-arcs.

His comment about being “the first comics guy to have a film at the Cannes Film Festival” is incorrect - Sin City was in competition there in 2005.

Swamp Thing back in the DCU? Sweet! He’s got a bone to pick with Luthor, as I recall.

Batman and the Spectre- been done.
Lex Luthor and Swamp Thing- has been done, sort of, as mentioned above.
Deadman and Wonder Woman- Not been done AFAIK, but I don’t see much potential for it.
Constantine and Eclipso- I don’t care for either. Maybe they’ll kill each other? >:)
Superman and Sgt. Rock- been done (Pre-Crisis)
Challengers of the Unknown and the Metal Men- I’m sure they have met already.
Legion of Substitute Heroes with the Inferior Five- I would love this one- IF handled well: not too silly, not too serious- but I doubt it. Besides, given current trends, they’ll probably all be killed off. :(

If the Substitutes/Inferior Five issue happens, DC has my three-fifty.

George Perez was the major selling point for me. The last time JMS replaced Mark Waid (on Fantastic Four) he bored me to tears, so I think I’m done.

Sijo: Who cares if they’ve been done or not before? Is a team-up less exciting and neat-sounding just because it’s not 100% original? :D

If I cared any less about this series, I’d stop posting in mid-se

>>If the Substitutes/Inferior Five issue happens, DC has my three-fifty.

If the Subsitutes/interior Five issue happens, isn’t an utter trainwreck & *doesn’t* become an ongoing (which of course it wouldn’t anyway, because as we’ve more or less established elsewhere, the companies hate “fun” books & the market follows suit, or maybe vice versa), I will set myself on fire in protest.

Or maybe someone else. …

Yes, on second thought, it just might be more effective if I were to set someone else on fire in protest, instead.

“His comment about being “the first comics guy to have a film at the Cannes Film Festival” is incorrect - Sin City was in competition there in 2005.”

Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt, you know.

I didn’t know JC was allowed to interact with the larger DC universe anymore.

“I didn’t know JC was allowed to interact with the larger DC universe anymore.”–For a while, DCU characters published by Vertigo have been off-limits. This may signal an end to the embargo, or at least a more reasonable and flexible embargo.

Bernard the Poet

May 13, 2008 at 2:34 am

DC Presents Superman and Sgt Rock was the first comic I ever bought ( - it had a very nifty cover of Superman bursting out of his own grave).

I might have to buy the sequel despite the author.

Huh. It’s been ages since I’ve read a JMS title on a regular schedule,* but I’m clearly going to have to change that. That’s a lot of Vertigo/DC crossover, and I do love the Subs.

*Or since he wrote one on a regular schedule.

For some reason, I don’t follow writers like I do artists, so offhand I couldn’t say what the guy has written that I’ve read … but I do know he’s writing THE TWELVE right now, & that it’s one of my favorite books on the shelvees these days.

I also liked his MIDNIGHT NATION lots & lots. I’ve got a RISING STARS run coming via an eBay seller as well.

My guess is that DC is being a bit lax with their rules for two reasons:

1. It’s JMS

2. They want B & B to succeed

3. Swamp Thing doesn’t even have a title right now.

Batman and the Spectre- been done.
Lex Luthor and Swamp Thing- has been done, sort of, as mentioned above.
Deadman and Wonder Woman- Not been done AFAIK, but I don’t see much potential for it.
Constantine and Eclipso- I don’t care for either. Maybe they’ll kill each other? >:)
Superman and Sgt. Rock- been done (Pre-Crisis)
Challengers of the Unknown and the Metal Men- I’m sure they have met already.
Legion of Substitute Heroes with the Inferior Five- I would love this one- IF handled well: not too silly, not too serious- but I doubt it. Besides, given current trends, they’ll probably all be killed off. :(

Yeah, some of them have been done, but if they’ve been done, it was twenty-plus years ago. I think that’s enough time that these team-ups will have a new flair to them.

The reasons have ranged from “it’s too old school” to “it isn’t ‘important’ to continuity” to “it’s too hard to follow” depending on what message board posts you read.

My personal opinion (and it’s sad to say) is that I think the second one is the most likely.

The “Too old school”/”Too fun” stuff sounds more like what you tell yourself when something you do doesn’t work out. Like Aaron Sorkin blaming the stupidity of America for Studio 60 not working.

Yeah but Brian, since DC seems insistent on re-booting it’s characters to their pre-COIE characteristics and status quos, it won’t really be all that new ;)

“My personal opinion (and it’s sad to say) is that I think the second one is the most likely.”

And I completely agree, Brian. It’s terribly unfortunate that Marvel/DC comics need to arbitrarily “mean” something in order to be a success.

For example, this month’s B&B features a Batman / Golden Age Flash team-up that seems to be a done-in-one. That to me seems like a real interesting pairing that could yield a great story dynamic, but even though it features Batman of all characters it still probably won’t sell.

Apparently you guys missed the memo:

JMS has gone back on Swamp Thing and Constantine appearing pending Vertigo’s ok. I think he even took them out of the list the second time he read it off.

>>It’s terribly unfortunate that Marvel/DC comics need to arbitrarily “mean” something in order to be a success.

Good lord, yes. As that early comics critic Ralph Waldo Emerson once said, “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.” (And no, he was not referencing any Spider-Man villiains.)

I doubt the Inferior 5/Substitutes will pan out, because when Waid started he said they needed a big name and another almot as big name, ie Supergirl and Lobo, Wonder Woman and Power Girl, Flash and Doom Patrol, or Batman and Blue Beetle. I think he is unrealistically throwing out his dream team ups, and most of them can never happen in terms of sales demands.

I don’t know about that. If JMS and Kubert can establish their run as something that readers want to follow, the B&tB readership will probably get each issue no matter who is featured in the story. At least, that’s the way I’ve been reading ti.

Constantine and Swamp thing back in the DCU! Man, I’m so in. I dropped it after Waid’s dull second arc but I’m picking it up when JMS comes on.

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