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	<title>Comments on: John Seavey&#8217;s Storytelling Engines: Monster of Frankenstein</title>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 11:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like, at this point, to note my own restraint in not making any jokes about the phrase &quot;Friedrich&#039;s &#039;Frankenstein&#039;.&quot; I did not suggest that it should perhaps, be pronounced &quot;Froderich&#039;s &#039;Frankenstein&#039;&quot;, for example...

Because I don&#039;t go for the cheap joke like that until the comments section. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like, at this point, to note my own restraint in not making any jokes about the phrase &#8220;Friedrich&#8217;s &#8216;Frankenstein&#8217;.&#8221; I did not suggest that it should perhaps, be pronounced &#8220;Froderich&#8217;s &#8216;Frankenstein&#8217;&#8221;, for example&#8230;</p>
<p>Because I don&#8217;t go for the cheap joke like that until the comments section. <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 00:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think Dracula was pretty much the only other one that didnâ€™t feature a guy turning into a monster at night which beat up bad guys while simultaneously was hunted by authorities&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tales Of The Zombie also had a different hook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think Dracula was pretty much the only other one that didnâ€™t feature a guy turning into a monster at night which beat up bad guys while simultaneously was hunted by authorities</p></blockquote>
<p>Tales Of The Zombie also had a different hook.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Stranger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Stranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall I really enjoyed the early issues but found my interest wane as the series went on.  The psuedo-Shelly  was great (and I loved the Ploog art) but by the time those Moench issues came around it started drifting into a more generic book.

I think the reason it failed is multiple.  First, in the early days I think the book was just too outside what readers wanted.  Everyone and their brother loves the quirky books after the fact but too few read them while they&#039;re still being published.  Think of it this way: I&#039;m a ten year old buying a monster comic off the spinner rack since I&#039;m not allowed to touch the cool B&amp;W magainzes and I spot Frankenstein.  Picking it up I find something completely different from the Frankenstein I expected; something that might appeal to the college crowd but that wasn&#039;t Marvel&#039;s bread and butter at that point.  Bad word of mouth spreads around the playground and sales aren&#039;t that great.

So then editorial retools and the result is a weaker book on the whole.  Besides going the Karloff route the stories are now exactly in line with Marvel&#039;s other &quot;misunderstood heroes&quot;.  The problem there is that Frankenstein doesn&#039;t have as strong of hook for those stories as the other characters.  While Marvel&#039;s other horror books had a hook (in fact I&#039;d say that most of them had the exact same hook; I think Dracula was pretty much the only other one that didn&#039;t feature a guy turning into a monster at night which beat up bad guys while simultaneously was hunted by authorities), Frankenstein was just there.  It wasn&#039;t inspiring and it certainly wouldn&#039;t be enough to bring back the crowd that was already turned off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall I really enjoyed the early issues but found my interest wane as the series went on.  The psuedo-Shelly  was great (and I loved the Ploog art) but by the time those Moench issues came around it started drifting into a more generic book.</p>
<p>I think the reason it failed is multiple.  First, in the early days I think the book was just too outside what readers wanted.  Everyone and their brother loves the quirky books after the fact but too few read them while they&#8217;re still being published.  Think of it this way: I&#8217;m a ten year old buying a monster comic off the spinner rack since I&#8217;m not allowed to touch the cool B&amp;W magainzes and I spot Frankenstein.  Picking it up I find something completely different from the Frankenstein I expected; something that might appeal to the college crowd but that wasn&#8217;t Marvel&#8217;s bread and butter at that point.  Bad word of mouth spreads around the playground and sales aren&#8217;t that great.</p>
<p>So then editorial retools and the result is a weaker book on the whole.  Besides going the Karloff route the stories are now exactly in line with Marvel&#8217;s other &#8220;misunderstood heroes&#8221;.  The problem there is that Frankenstein doesn&#8217;t have as strong of hook for those stories as the other characters.  While Marvel&#8217;s other horror books had a hook (in fact I&#8217;d say that most of them had the exact same hook; I think Dracula was pretty much the only other one that didn&#8217;t feature a guy turning into a monster at night which beat up bad guys while simultaneously was hunted by authorities), Frankenstein was just there.  It wasn&#8217;t inspiring and it certainly wouldn&#8217;t be enough to bring back the crowd that was already turned off.</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Incidentally, thatâ€™s one thing Iâ€™ve noticed in retrospect, how much of a â€œhouse styleâ€ â€™70s Marvel had across multiple genres. Everything *reads* exactly like a Marvel Comic. Including the non-superhero stuff, and even things like romance comics. Likely a very good thing on the whole for Marvel, but for some books, they might have been served better by trying a more starkly different stylistic approach.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Howard The Duck read like a Marvel comic?
Possibly the biggest exception that could prove the rule, but I do think there were some books that didn&#039;t.
McGregor and Russel on Killraven is another one that comes to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Incidentally, thatâ€™s one thing Iâ€™ve noticed in retrospect, how much of a â€œhouse styleâ€ â€™70s Marvel had across multiple genres. Everything *reads* exactly like a Marvel Comic. Including the non-superhero stuff, and even things like romance comics. Likely a very good thing on the whole for Marvel, but for some books, they might have been served better by trying a more starkly different stylistic approach.</p></blockquote>
<p>Howard The Duck read like a Marvel comic?<br />
Possibly the biggest exception that could prove the rule, but I do think there were some books that didn&#8217;t.<br />
McGregor and Russel on Killraven is another one that comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: suedenim</title>
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		<dc:creator>suedenim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds interesting enough that I want to pick up the Essential volume now.

But it strikes me that a fundamental problem with a Marvel Frankenstein series is that (especially in the Moench modern-day movie-flavored variation) Marvel already *has* a long-running series about this character, and it&#039;s called &quot;The Incredible Hulk.&quot;

I could see the Friedrich version not doing well because of unfamiliarity and/or preference against the novel version of the character, but without those aspects, it&#039;s just another Marvel Comic, this one starring an underpowered Hulk character.

Incidentally, that&#039;s one thing I&#039;ve noticed in retrospect, how much of a &quot;house style&quot; &#039;70s Marvel had across multiple genres.  Everything *reads* exactly like a Marvel Comic.  Including the non-superhero stuff, and even things like romance comics.  Likely a very good thing on the whole for Marvel, but for some books, they might have been served better by trying a more starkly different stylistic approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds interesting enough that I want to pick up the Essential volume now.</p>
<p>But it strikes me that a fundamental problem with a Marvel Frankenstein series is that (especially in the Moench modern-day movie-flavored variation) Marvel already *has* a long-running series about this character, and it&#8217;s called &#8220;The Incredible Hulk.&#8221;</p>
<p>I could see the Friedrich version not doing well because of unfamiliarity and/or preference against the novel version of the character, but without those aspects, it&#8217;s just another Marvel Comic, this one starring an underpowered Hulk character.</p>
<p>Incidentally, that&#8217;s one thing I&#8217;ve noticed in retrospect, how much of a &#8220;house style&#8221; &#8217;70s Marvel had across multiple genres.  Everything *reads* exactly like a Marvel Comic.  Including the non-superhero stuff, and even things like romance comics.  Likely a very good thing on the whole for Marvel, but for some books, they might have been served better by trying a more starkly different stylistic approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if we pick up this in a comic store, we should PUT...the TRADE...BACK!

Had to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if we pick up this in a comic store, we should PUT&#8230;the TRADE&#8230;BACK!</p>
<p>Had to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 10:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, y&#039;know, Monster wanders around, tries to find acceptance, people fear and hate him, he beats them up, oddly fails to gain fear and acceptance through said beatings. Kills a few people, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, y&#8217;know, Monster wanders around, tries to find acceptance, people fear and hate him, he beats them up, oddly fails to gain fear and acceptance through said beatings. Kills a few people, too.</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 07:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was the books storytelling engine whilst it lasted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was the books storytelling engine whilst it lasted?</p>
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		<title>By: fourthworlder</title>
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		<dc:creator>fourthworlder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 06:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fearsome fiends, at least one of whom was fairly furry.
Which rounds it up to ten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fearsome fiends, at least one of whom was fairly furry.<br />
Which rounds it up to ten.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Norris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s just something oddly clunky about &quot;Monster of Frankenstein&quot; as opposed to &quot;Frankenstein&#039;s Monster&quot;. I&#039;m not saying that this is why the book didn&#039;t last, but reading it put that way is like having my eyes hit a speed bump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s just something oddly clunky about &#8220;Monster of Frankenstein&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;Frankenstein&#8217;s Monster&#8221;. I&#8217;m not saying that this is why the book didn&#8217;t last, but reading it put that way is like having my eyes hit a speed bump.</p>
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		<title>By: Pitr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pitr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also thought of &quot;flourished&quot; and would go on to suggest &quot;fiends&quot; for &quot;monsters,&quot; bringing the alliteration count to a nice, round seven</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also thought of &#8220;flourished&#8221; and would go on to suggest &#8220;fiends&#8221; for &#8220;monsters,&#8221; bringing the alliteration count to a nice, round seven</p>
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		<title>By: GT Holkan</title>
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		<dc:creator>GT Holkan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Flourished&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Flourished&#8221;</p>
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