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	<title>Comments on: Comic Book Dictionary &#8211; Exit/Return Quality Quotient</title>
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		<title>By: God Emperor Joker</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/22/comic-dictionary-exitreturn-quality-quotient/comment-page-1/#comment-727186</link>
		<dc:creator>God Emperor Joker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe because its so obvious, I&#039;m surprised noone mentioned Death Of Superman. All these years, everyone tried to kill Supes (Darkseid, Braniac, Kryptonite Man {leaving Luthor out, to give the grudging nod to the writers on the &quot;I didn&#039;t want him DEAD, I just wanted to beat him&quot; riff} ), and it was friggin&#039; DOOMSDAY?! With no kryptonite OR magic (the only two things that can supposedly weaken him enough to die)?!

 That makes the &quot;Reign Of Supermen&quot; atrocity almost bearable, because the death was so terribly, irrevocably awful, you just knew (and were relieved when) he would be back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe because its so obvious, I&#8217;m surprised noone mentioned Death Of Superman. All these years, everyone tried to kill Supes (Darkseid, Braniac, Kryptonite Man {leaving Luthor out, to give the grudging nod to the writers on the &#8220;I didn&#8217;t want him DEAD, I just wanted to beat him&#8221; riff} ), and it was friggin&#8217; DOOMSDAY?! With no kryptonite OR magic (the only two things that can supposedly weaken him enough to die)?!</p>
<p> That makes the &#8220;Reign Of Supermen&#8221; atrocity almost bearable, because the death was so terribly, irrevocably awful, you just knew (and were relieved when) he would be back.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know if anyone mentioned this idea, but maybe the reason Skrull Mockingbird didn&#039;t change back when she was killed was Mephisto decided that her seeming death would hurt more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if anyone mentioned this idea, but maybe the reason Skrull Mockingbird didn&#8217;t change back when she was killed was Mephisto decided that her seeming death would hurt more.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Whitmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Whitmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 02:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi the nail on the head, Brian. That equation is the reason I&#039;m not surprised to see so many people gushing about how brilliant Spoiler&#039;s return is and how much sense it makes. Well, no it isn&#039;t and no it doesn&#039;t. It&#039;s just that much less stupid than the story where she died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi the nail on the head, Brian. That equation is the reason I&#8217;m not surprised to see so many people gushing about how brilliant Spoiler&#8217;s return is and how much sense it makes. Well, no it isn&#8217;t and no it doesn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s just that much less stupid than the story where she died.</p>
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		<title>By: Patent Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patent Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 23:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the &quot;escaped&quot; heroes in SI #1 are the 80s versions, then why is Ms Marvel wearing her original outfit? She changed to the Cockrum classic back in 1977...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the &#8220;escaped&#8221; heroes in SI #1 are the 80s versions, then why is Ms Marvel wearing her original outfit? She changed to the Cockrum classic back in 1977&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wwk5d</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwk5d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 03:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sijo, Mockingbird allowed him to die because he hypnotized and raped her...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sijo, Mockingbird allowed him to die because he hypnotized and raped her&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do we actually know at this point that it was Barry Allen at the end of DC Universe 0? I mean, thatâ€™s obviously what they want us to think, but couldnâ€™t it be Bart, or someone completely out of left field? Or has there been another comic that confirmed it was him? If it is Barry, it seems pretty stupid to me. His death was good, his replacement is a well-liked character with a rich history of his own, and Barry was never an interesting character to begin with. Are there really people who would be excited about him being back?&quot;

Either Dan DiDio or Geoff Johns confirmed this in an interview after the release of DC Universe #0.  And I have to agree with you on all the reasons you cited that bringing him back isn&#039;t the greatest of ideas.

-r-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do we actually know at this point that it was Barry Allen at the end of DC Universe 0? I mean, thatâ€™s obviously what they want us to think, but couldnâ€™t it be Bart, or someone completely out of left field? Or has there been another comic that confirmed it was him? If it is Barry, it seems pretty stupid to me. His death was good, his replacement is a well-liked character with a rich history of his own, and Barry was never an interesting character to begin with. Are there really people who would be excited about him being back?&#8221;</p>
<p>Either Dan DiDio or Geoff Johns confirmed this in an interview after the release of DC Universe #0.  And I have to agree with you on all the reasons you cited that bringing him back isn&#8217;t the greatest of ideas.</p>
<p>-r-</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, by Bendisâ€™ own rules, we wonâ€™t know if this is the real Mockingbird until she gets killed. I do love how he ignores continuity and others peopleâ€™s stories to suit his own vision. Despite showing us Mockingbirdâ€™s soul on different occasions, his line is that now, the Mockingbird who did originally die was a Skrull. Um, WTF? So during Busiekâ€™s run and the Dead Girl mini-series, that was the Skrullâ€™s soul we saw? Again, WTF?&quot;

As someone suggested earlier, I&#039;m not convinced that the Mockingbird in Secret Invasion #2 is really Mockingbird.  I believe that she is in fact a Skrull, and the Mockingbird of years past who married Hawkeye and later died, was real and is still dead.  A big theme of this event is that you can&#039;t trust anyone, and anybody around you can be a Skrull.  So with that in mind, why simply take at face value that this new Mockingbird is who she says she is?  Because she said so?  And with these Skrulls able to imitate the abilities and powers of our heroes, it wouldn&#039;t have taken much for a mental search of Hawkeye&#039;s psyche to learn that bit of info that nobody else knew.

Just my two cents, since everybody seems keen on saying that Bendis is ignoring his own rules and all.

None of this has any relevance to Brian&#039;s original post, however, which I agree with.  I just don&#039;t think that the new Mockingbird is the real Mockingbird (though she may be, who knows at this point?), and that it&#039;s way to early to start bashing the writer for a plot point that has yet to be resolved.

-r-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, by Bendisâ€™ own rules, we wonâ€™t know if this is the real Mockingbird until she gets killed. I do love how he ignores continuity and others peopleâ€™s stories to suit his own vision. Despite showing us Mockingbirdâ€™s soul on different occasions, his line is that now, the Mockingbird who did originally die was a Skrull. Um, WTF? So during Busiekâ€™s run and the Dead Girl mini-series, that was the Skrullâ€™s soul we saw? Again, WTF?&#8221;</p>
<p>As someone suggested earlier, I&#8217;m not convinced that the Mockingbird in Secret Invasion #2 is really Mockingbird.  I believe that she is in fact a Skrull, and the Mockingbird of years past who married Hawkeye and later died, was real and is still dead.  A big theme of this event is that you can&#8217;t trust anyone, and anybody around you can be a Skrull.  So with that in mind, why simply take at face value that this new Mockingbird is who she says she is?  Because she said so?  And with these Skrulls able to imitate the abilities and powers of our heroes, it wouldn&#8217;t have taken much for a mental search of Hawkeye&#8217;s psyche to learn that bit of info that nobody else knew.</p>
<p>Just my two cents, since everybody seems keen on saying that Bendis is ignoring his own rules and all.</p>
<p>None of this has any relevance to Brian&#8217;s original post, however, which I agree with.  I just don&#8217;t think that the new Mockingbird is the real Mockingbird (though she may be, who knows at this point?), and that it&#8217;s way to early to start bashing the writer for a plot point that has yet to be resolved.</p>
<p>-r-</p>
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		<title>By: jazzbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazzbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we actually know at this point that it was Barry Allen at the end of DC Universe 0? I mean, that&#039;s obviously what they want us to think, but couldn&#039;t it be Bart, or someone completely out of left field? Or has there been another comic that confirmed it was him? If it is Barry, it seems pretty stupid to me. His death was good, his replacement is a well-liked character with a rich history of his own, and Barry was never an interesting character to begin with. Are there really people who would be excited about him being back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we actually know at this point that it was Barry Allen at the end of DC Universe 0? I mean, that&#8217;s obviously what they want us to think, but couldn&#8217;t it be Bart, or someone completely out of left field? Or has there been another comic that confirmed it was him? If it is Barry, it seems pretty stupid to me. His death was good, his replacement is a well-liked character with a rich history of his own, and Barry was never an interesting character to begin with. Are there really people who would be excited about him being back?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For that reason, I was irked when they resurrected Hal as the Spectre. He had a good death, so I thought his return as the Spectre was disappointing.&quot;

I actually liked that concept - Hal trying to find personal redemption, rather than the larger-scale redemption from Final Night - but it just never took for me, either. Taking him in that direction was just asking for a return.

I shot this to Brian in an e-mail, but the funniest one to me is how all the characters are commenting on how it might be the real Cap coming out of the ship. Um, didn&#039;t we just have a dozen issues revolving around Cap&#039;s corpse? I think someone would have noticed if it had turned into a Skrull. Unless Bendis is ignoring the rules he supposedly took so much care to put into place, which wouldn&#039;t be surprising.

(On the other hand, Brubaker&#039;s Cap often seems to be taking place in a different, much more sane, MU.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For that reason, I was irked when they resurrected Hal as the Spectre. He had a good death, so I thought his return as the Spectre was disappointing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I actually liked that concept &#8211; Hal trying to find personal redemption, rather than the larger-scale redemption from Final Night &#8211; but it just never took for me, either. Taking him in that direction was just asking for a return.</p>
<p>I shot this to Brian in an e-mail, but the funniest one to me is how all the characters are commenting on how it might be the real Cap coming out of the ship. Um, didn&#8217;t we just have a dozen issues revolving around Cap&#8217;s corpse? I think someone would have noticed if it had turned into a Skrull. Unless Bendis is ignoring the rules he supposedly took so much care to put into place, which wouldn&#8217;t be surprising.</p>
<p>(On the other hand, Brubaker&#8217;s Cap often seems to be taking place in a different, much more sane, MU.)</p>
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		<title>By: MLViola</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLViola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to point out the fact that, as my memory serves, Emma Frost was the White Queen in the 70&#039;s and was not considered to be on the side of the angels - so that would make her appearance with a group of &quot;heroes&quot; suspect, i.e. they are the Skrulls (or at least she is).  It has been argued in other places that the presence of a Skrull with telepathic ability would allow for Clint&#039;s memories to be read and projected into Mockingbird&#039;s mind.  The dialogue of Si#2 keeps open the possibility that Mockingbird is still a Skrull as Clint acknowledged he was taking a chance with Mockingbird.

All that aside, I am old enough to remember the whole dial in to kill Robin ordeal to let the fans decide if a character lives or dies.  Death (whether embodied as Thanos&#039; girlfriend or as a Goth girl a la Vertigo) has become a flexible concept in comics - efforts at continuity notwithstanding.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to point out the fact that, as my memory serves, Emma Frost was the White Queen in the 70&#8242;s and was not considered to be on the side of the angels &#8211; so that would make her appearance with a group of &#8220;heroes&#8221; suspect, i.e. they are the Skrulls (or at least she is).  It has been argued in other places that the presence of a Skrull with telepathic ability would allow for Clint&#8217;s memories to be read and projected into Mockingbird&#8217;s mind.  The dialogue of Si#2 keeps open the possibility that Mockingbird is still a Skrull as Clint acknowledged he was taking a chance with Mockingbird.</p>
<p>All that aside, I am old enough to remember the whole dial in to kill Robin ordeal to let the fans decide if a character lives or dies.  Death (whether embodied as Thanos&#8217; girlfriend or as a Goth girl a la Vertigo) has become a flexible concept in comics &#8211; efforts at continuity notwithstanding.<br />
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		<title>By: Sijo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sijo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 14:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don not agree that a less-lame return makes a terrible death better. It&#039;s still bad writing, that someone will (hopefully) have to fix sometime later.

Mockingbird I never cared much for; it has been established that she was no true hero (having allowed the Night Rider to die because he hypnotized her) but more of a secret agent pretending to be a hero for Hawkeye&#039;s sake. She could&#039;ve stayed dead.

On the other hand, Spoiler was a popular character (and important to the Robin series) who was killed for no good reason and as mentioned above, ruined Leslie Thompson as a character in the process. It was a situation that CRIED OUT to be fixed, and I&#039;m glad it was, even if the answer was kinda lame (Batman couldn&#039;t find that out on his own? Some master detective.)

Besides, with the coming Black Lanterns/Dead Coming Back storyline, odds are plenty of dead DC characters will return soon anyway (though likely most will just be killed right back. Even the dead aren&#039;t safe from DC&#039;s killfest!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don not agree that a less-lame return makes a terrible death better. It&#8217;s still bad writing, that someone will (hopefully) have to fix sometime later.</p>
<p>Mockingbird I never cared much for; it has been established that she was no true hero (having allowed the Night Rider to die because he hypnotized her) but more of a secret agent pretending to be a hero for Hawkeye&#8217;s sake. She could&#8217;ve stayed dead.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Spoiler was a popular character (and important to the Robin series) who was killed for no good reason and as mentioned above, ruined Leslie Thompson as a character in the process. It was a situation that CRIED OUT to be fixed, and I&#8217;m glad it was, even if the answer was kinda lame (Batman couldn&#8217;t find that out on his own? Some master detective.)</p>
<p>Besides, with the coming Black Lanterns/Dead Coming Back storyline, odds are plenty of dead DC characters will return soon anyway (though likely most will just be killed right back. Even the dead aren&#8217;t safe from DC&#8217;s killfest!)</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mockingbird &quot;death&quot; has an easy explanation.  Mephisto was involved.  It would not be beyond his ability to prevent a dead Skrull from reverting and it would suit him to mess with the heroes by making them think one of their own was dead.  It would also be within his power to know about the Invasion in its early days.


However, I do wonder where the Skrull empress who restored their shapeshifting abilities fits into this. 

However, we now know that Elektra was the first replacement and that this started after the Skrull homeworld (1982) was destroyed.  That pretty much means that the &quot;70&#039;s&quot; heroes are Skrulls since any replacements prior to Elektra would have been detectable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mockingbird &#8220;death&#8221; has an easy explanation.  Mephisto was involved.  It would not be beyond his ability to prevent a dead Skrull from reverting and it would suit him to mess with the heroes by making them think one of their own was dead.  It would also be within his power to know about the Invasion in its early days.</p>
<p>However, I do wonder where the Skrull empress who restored their shapeshifting abilities fits into this. </p>
<p>However, we now know that Elektra was the first replacement and that this started after the Skrull homeworld (1982) was destroyed.  That pretty much means that the &#8220;70&#8242;s&#8221; heroes are Skrulls since any replacements prior to Elektra would have been detectable.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Seltzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Seltzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 10:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who remembers Skrullverine?  If I remember right, it took an autopsy to find out he was a Skrull.  Then again, maybe this was during the whole Skrulls can&#039;t shape-shift thing that I was unaware of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who remembers Skrullverine?  If I remember right, it took an autopsy to find out he was a Skrull.  Then again, maybe this was during the whole Skrulls can&#8217;t shape-shift thing that I was unaware of.</p>
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		<title>By: S Shapiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>S Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 09:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who has read the Deadgirl miniseries by Milligan ought to know how death works in comics. That&#039;s why the Piano Player is alive and the original Ant Man isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has read the Deadgirl miniseries by Milligan ought to know how death works in comics. That&#8217;s why the Piano Player is alive and the original Ant Man isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: wwk5d</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwk5d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 07:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, by Bendis&#039; own rules, we won&#039;t know if this is the real Mockingbird until she gets killed. I do love how he ignores continuity and others people&#039;s stories to suit his own vision. Despite showing us Mockingbird&#039;s soul on different occasions, his line is that now, the Mockingbird who did originally die was a Skrull. Um, WTF? So during Busiek&#039;s run and the Dead Girl mini-series, that was the Skrull&#039;s soul we saw? Again, WTF? It was liike what he did with Wanda. Prior to Disassembled, she had on occasion openly acknowledged the debacle with her no longer existing kids...but as soon as Bendis got a hold of her, she developed amnesia and turns into a psychotic reality warping bitch? One more time...WTF?!?! I guess I need to calm down and wait and see what happens, especially regarding Mockingbird. SI isn&#039;t over yet, so who knows what could happen? And maybe Wanda was being manipulated by someone else all along....oh well.

I don&#039;t mind character resurrections these days. Let&#039;s be honest, comic book deaths have lost any meaning or emotion in my eyes, you know the person will be brought back sooner or later. I&#039;m mixed on whether or not I like these returns. Yeah, many deaths these days are meaningless shock value deaths, and if the resurrection is done right, it can be good...but other times I wish writers would stick with past stories, bite the bullet, and let be dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, by Bendis&#8217; own rules, we won&#8217;t know if this is the real Mockingbird until she gets killed. I do love how he ignores continuity and others people&#8217;s stories to suit his own vision. Despite showing us Mockingbird&#8217;s soul on different occasions, his line is that now, the Mockingbird who did originally die was a Skrull. Um, WTF? So during Busiek&#8217;s run and the Dead Girl mini-series, that was the Skrull&#8217;s soul we saw? Again, WTF? It was liike what he did with Wanda. Prior to Disassembled, she had on occasion openly acknowledged the debacle with her no longer existing kids&#8230;but as soon as Bendis got a hold of her, she developed amnesia and turns into a psychotic reality warping bitch? One more time&#8230;WTF?!?! I guess I need to calm down and wait and see what happens, especially regarding Mockingbird. SI isn&#8217;t over yet, so who knows what could happen? And maybe Wanda was being manipulated by someone else all along&#8230;.oh well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind character resurrections these days. Let&#8217;s be honest, comic book deaths have lost any meaning or emotion in my eyes, you know the person will be brought back sooner or later. I&#8217;m mixed on whether or not I like these returns. Yeah, many deaths these days are meaningless shock value deaths, and if the resurrection is done right, it can be good&#8230;but other times I wish writers would stick with past stories, bite the bullet, and let be dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Thok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 05:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody&#039;s mentioned Ice, who had a really lame death, and who&#039;s resurrection in Birds of Prey very much came out of nowhere and was essentially &quot;Some russian dude prayed and she came back.&quot;

And nobody complains about that resurrection because Ice is a fun character and has a natural set of stories to work with (through the whole Guy/Ice/Fire love triangle thing and the more general JLI connection.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody&#8217;s mentioned Ice, who had a really lame death, and who&#8217;s resurrection in Birds of Prey very much came out of nowhere and was essentially &#8220;Some russian dude prayed and she came back.&#8221;</p>
<p>And nobody complains about that resurrection because Ice is a fun character and has a natural set of stories to work with (through the whole Guy/Ice/Fire love triangle thing and the more general JLI connection.)</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how, for months, Spoiler&#039;s been seen on the Gotham Underground insert-snappy-prefix-for-&quot;nine&quot;-here-tych, and the book has nothing to do with her. However, they happen to sneak her into the pages of Robin.

...and by &quot;like&quot;, I mean &quot;hate&quot;.

I actually thought this column was going to address the inverse situation recently, with Barry Allen having a lame resurrection in the face of his highly-worshipped COIE departure, and how poorly the situation has been received.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how, for months, Spoiler&#8217;s been seen on the Gotham Underground insert-snappy-prefix-for-&#8221;nine&#8221;-here-tych, and the book has nothing to do with her. However, they happen to sneak her into the pages of Robin.</p>
<p>&#8230;and by &#8220;like&#8221;, I mean &#8220;hate&#8221;.</p>
<p>I actually thought this column was going to address the inverse situation recently, with Barry Allen having a lame resurrection in the face of his highly-worshipped COIE departure, and how poorly the situation has been received.</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And yes, possibly controversial, but â€˜Emerald Twilightâ€™ was a classic example of 90s excess, a mistake even for people who liked Kyle Rayner and his tenure as Green Lantern, and so the morass of fanwank known as â€˜Green Lantern: Rebirthâ€™ got a free pass because it did what had to be done and brought Hal back.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think this is something different.  Because while Hal&#039;s fall from grace wasn&#039;t handled greatly, his death in &quot;Final Night&quot; was, IMO at least, pretty good.  He gave his life for a great purpose, in a selfless manner, and in a noteworthy and memorable way.  

For that reason, I was irked when they resurrected Hal as the Spectre.  He had a good death, so I thought his return as the Spectre was disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And yes, possibly controversial, but â€˜Emerald Twilightâ€™ was a classic example of 90s excess, a mistake even for people who liked Kyle Rayner and his tenure as Green Lantern, and so the morass of fanwank known as â€˜Green Lantern: Rebirthâ€™ got a free pass because it did what had to be done and brought Hal back.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this is something different.  Because while Hal&#8217;s fall from grace wasn&#8217;t handled greatly, his death in &#8220;Final Night&#8221; was, IMO at least, pretty good.  He gave his life for a great purpose, in a selfless manner, and in a noteworthy and memorable way.  </p>
<p>For that reason, I was irked when they resurrected Hal as the Spectre.  He had a good death, so I thought his return as the Spectre was disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Every story subject to revision? No story is worth paying attention to because it can magically be wiped out retroactively with poor explanations? And for these reasons no one will pay attention to any of the stories?

By your logic, DC comics would have closed itâ€™s doors decades ago. The state of affairs you describe has been DCâ€™s status quo for as long as I can remember.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So utterly predictable as always T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Every story subject to revision? No story is worth paying attention to because it can magically be wiped out retroactively with poor explanations? And for these reasons no one will pay attention to any of the stories?</p>
<p>By your logic, DC comics would have closed itâ€™s doors decades ago. The state of affairs you describe has been DCâ€™s status quo for as long as I can remember.</p></blockquote>
<p>So utterly predictable as always T.</p>
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		<title>By: buttler</title>
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		<dc:creator>buttler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just figured you were warding off an expected flood of &quot;OMG Steph!!!!&quot; comments (which is what &quot;Spoiler warning&quot; has come to mean to me). 

Mockingbird always just seemed like a pale imitation of Black Canary, but any retcons that undo West Coast Avengers storylines are OK by me.  (Let&#039;s start with Master Pandemonium ever existing.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just figured you were warding off an expected flood of &#8220;OMG Steph!!!!&#8221; comments (which is what &#8220;Spoiler warning&#8221; has come to mean to me). </p>
<p>Mockingbird always just seemed like a pale imitation of Black Canary, but any retcons that undo West Coast Avengers storylines are OK by me.  (Let&#8217;s start with Master Pandemonium ever existing.)</p>
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