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Snark Free Corner for 6/23

Welcome to the latest installment of your breath of snark free air!

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TEN COOL THINGS DONE BY GEOFF JOHNS!

I liked last week’s bit, so I think I will use it again, this time to come up with ten good things I think Geoff Johns has done!

10. Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. was a fun comic book series.

9. I really liked the way he worked the Wonder Twins Wendy and Marvin (thanks, Graeme!) into the Teen Titans.

8. Johns’ Wonderland arc on Flash was a really well-told story – it would have made a great mini-series.

7. The return of Hawkman was handled quite well. I like how Johns uses the re-incarnation angle, which was part of the original origin of Hawkman!

6. Johns wrote a really fun issue of Superman involving baseball. One of the best baseball-themed comics of all time!

5. Booster Gold has been enjoyable!

4. I have enjoyed the return of the original Legion. You can certainly argue about the methods of their return, but their return, in and of itself, has been cool.

3. The Mirror Master spotlight issue of the Flash was handled well – a fine take on a cool Morrison character.

2. The spotlight issue on Captain Cold in Flash was amazing, especially considering that I did not even necessarily like Johns’ take on Cold, but he did it so well that it ended up great anyways.

1. Stargirl, from Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. (and now Justice Society of America), is one of the best new characters from DC in the last decade of comics!

COVER THEME GAME

As always, here is the game. I show three covers. They all have something in common, whether it be a character, a trait all three characters share, locale, creator, SOMEthing. And it isn’t something obvious like “They all have prices!” “They all have logos!” “They all feature a man!” etc.

In addition, please note that you must have some familiarity with comic book history to correctly guess these comics. You cannot guess the connective theme just by looking at the covers solely, you must have some knowledge beyond just the covers.

A cool point to the first person to figure it out! NOTE: For the sake of this week’s game, we’re talking Post-Crisis continuity!

Good luck!

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SNARK FREE CHALLENGE

What is the coolest comic book storyline involving time travel?

THE COVER GAME

This week’s game is as follows…

Find me a cover featuring Superman’s skeleton!

Here is an example (which you can’t use!)…

Remember, only one cover per commenter!

NAME THAT ISSUE GAME

Here is a BRAND-NEW game!

I give you three panels, and based just on these three panels, you have to tell me what comic they came from (it’s not as hard as it sounds)!!

Good luck!

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Well, that’s it for this installment of Snark Free Corner.

Hope you had fun!

64 Comments

Andrew Collins

June 24, 2008 at 2:48 am

Cover theme game guess:
All the covers feature children/descendants of Golden Age heroes who have taken on the same codenames. Liberty Belle (daughter of the original), Fury (ditto), and Doctor Fate (nephew of Kent Nelson).

OR

All feature the children of JSA members since Hector Hall also was Doctor Fate (he is the one pictured on that particular cover, after all.)

Post-Crisis, Lyta is not the daughter of a JSA member.

And I’m pretty sure neither Kent nor Inza Nelson were related to either Carter or Sheira Hall. If not, then sure, your descendants one would work!

Name that Issue Game:

First one – I think that’s from the Byrne/Stern run – c 250

Second one – One of the original Nomad issues

Third one – Captain America issue 454 (the last Waid issue before Heroes Reborn)

One out of three? I suck…

Tom Fitzpatrick

June 24, 2008 at 3:20 am

The coolest story involving time travel?

I’d have to say the John Byrne’s Next Men #0-30 that incorporated a time travel as a integral plotline.
Have to read it to understand it.

;-)

For “coolest time-travel story,” I’ll have to go with the original “Days of Future Past” story, X-Men #141-142. Just two little issues, and a great story with a nice time-travel paradox. Of course, once that postapocalyptic future was created, it’s been impossible to get rid of the darned thing, and people keep popping back from there like there’s an express subway line, but the original story was pretty darned cool.

For cover theme, all three possess a heroic identity that they share with multiple others. (3 Furies, 3 Liberty Bells and I can’t count all the Dr. Fates).

I believe the second panel was Captain America 282 or 283. Panel 3 was Captain America 454.

For coolest time travel story, I’m going to go with New Mutants joining the Hellions. Magik and Mirage manage to escape through a time portal, but when they go back a year has passed and their companions have happily joined their former foes under the watch of Emma Frost.

Cover theme game: I’m going to go with the fact that all three married a superhero teammate. Liberty Belle is married to Hourman and Fury was married to Silver Scarab (who later became the Doctor Fate pictured here).

Favorite time travel story? I’d probably have to go with the New Mutants arc where the kids, while fleeing from Warlock’s evil father, get split up into two different alternate futures (one being the first revisit to the Days of Future Past one, the other a very Magneto-y place where Sunspot and Magma rule over a mutant upper class while persecuted humans live in slums). Good stuff.

Mike Loughlin

June 24, 2008 at 5:46 am

Best time-travel story not mentioned yet: Fantastic Four #352. Walt Simonson has Reed & Doom battle each other by traveling back and forth inside of an hour, while the rest of the FF fights in linear time.

I did not expect to like Geoff Johns’ recent Legion story in Action as much as I did. It was a lot of fun.

My favorite time travel story is Walt Simonson’s indescribale universe-in-peril Fantastic Four story. At one point they fight Josef Stalin in a giant exoskeleton. Alother episode they’re stuck on a time island where Reed tells where they are in time by the species of dinosaurs on it. (Hey, it’s Simonson, stick around long enough and you’ll get dinos.) It all ends with a boffo Reed-Doom fight ina time machien where they get scattered THROUGH the rest of the issue, so you choose-your-own-adventure to see what they’re saying.

Coolest time travel story, I have to go with “The Return of Barry Allen”.

Best time-travel story (for me) had to be the issue of Superboy where he goes into the past to save Lincoln’s life, and is prevented from doing so by young Lex Luthor. When Luthor later realizes that he’s permitted the murder to take place, … well, that was story-telling!

John Byrne’s mini-series _Marvel: The Missing Years_ (was that the name?), where the story was published going backwards in time, but made just as much sense when read backwards (i.e. advancing chroinologically) was brilliantly constructed.

For the time travel story, I’ll say Flash: Race Against Time, which I thought was Waid’s last great storyline on the book.

The first panel is from Captain America #255, Stern/Byrne retelling Cap’s origin. I have, maybe, three issues of Captain America, but that’s one of ‘em, and it’s awful good.

Can the best time-travel story be one that was never actually produced? I can’t get Alan Moore’s Twilight of the Superheroes out of my head. Barring that, Hulk’s Future Imperfect, though the Maestro’s reappearance later diluted some of its effect.

Also, I can’t see that third panel (“Follow me to freedom”) without thinking of Charley Steiner on ESPN’s Y2K ad.

Cover theme game: All three feature characters wearing a costume made popular by a Golden Age hero– First Liberty Belle / Jesse Quick wearing her mother’s suit. Second, Mr. Bones wearing (was it?) Black Terror’s suit. Third, Doctor Fate / Hector Hall wearing his version of the Fate costume.

The first thing to pop into my mind regarding time-travel stories was the Simonson FF story that was told out of linear sequence. I read that over and over to figure it out.

Best time travel comic I can think of would have to be Tales of the Bully Pulpit.

Cover theme game: I’m going to go with the fact that all three married a superhero teammate. Liberty Belle is married to Hourman and Fury was married to Silver Scarab (who later became the Doctor Fate pictured here).

Correct – and more specifically, each character married a member of Infinity Inc.!

Graham Vingoe

June 24, 2008 at 7:57 am

my all time favourite time travel series is/was Doug Moenchs Aztec Ace . Almost no-one else has ever heard of it but I love it

@Allan Lappin

Marvel: The Lost Generation. And yes, it was some damn good Stern/Byrne work on that series.

But I would have to agree with Brian Mac about the original Days of Future Past. It was simple and engaging, and people have been trying to mimic it for almost thirty years, but no one has.

A personal fave time travel story has always been the completely over-the-top West Coast Avengers one that Englehart (no stranger to awesome time travel stories) did in the late teens/early 20s of that title, in which the team journeys from the present to Marvel’s Old West and all the way back to Rama-Tut’s ancient Egypt (because they could only go back in time, and Hawkeye knew the FF were going to travel to that same period, he hoped they could use their time machine to get home).

Along the way, the Whackos were woven into and out of the background of existing stories (like the aforementioned Lee/Kirby FF classic and a Dr. Strange annual, I think) and they tried to communicate with Hank Pym in the present by leaving messages in the past in places they knew they would be found in the future (like Firebird’s family bible).

I always thought it was an enjoyable story that didn’t take itself too seriously, but still had an impact (Mockingbird ended up getting stranded in the Old West and killing the original Ghost Rider, which became a major plot point throughout the rest of Englehart’s run and the “present day” side of things dealt with Pym’s depression and feelings of uselessness) while having some fun with the standard conventions of time travel.

Andrew Collins

June 24, 2008 at 8:19 am

Brian said:
“And I’m pretty sure neither Kent nor Inza Nelson were related to either Carter or Sheira Hall. If not, then sure, your descendants one would work!”

By ‘nephew’, I wasn’t referring to Hector Hall but the Doctor Fate in Steve Gerber’s most recent version of the character, who is a nephew of Kent Nelson also named Kent Nelson…

I vote for Adam Warlock jumping a year forward and killing himself, then, sure enough, a year later, we got to see the other side of the confrontation. A chiller.

“Ten cool things” doesn’t exactly belong in “Snark Free Corner”, does it? The lists are are so circumscribed and specific, that they wind up dripping with contempt for all of the things you’re pointedly leaving out. Contempt is fine –where would the internet be without it?– but I thought the whole point of SFC was to try to keep your contempt in check for one morning a week?

Oh, okay!

This Doctor Fate isn’t that Doctor Fate, though! :)

“Ten cool things” doesn’t exactly belong in “Snark Free Corner”, does it? The lists are are so circumscribed and specific, that they wind up dripping with contempt for all of the things you’re pointedly leaving out. Contempt is fine –where would the internet be without it?– but I thought the whole point of SFC was to try to keep your contempt in check for one morning a week?

I disagree! It’s taking something that is often snarked upon and pointing out the good stuff, too!

If the reasons were, like, “He spells his name correctly” or stuff like that, then sure, but these are all legitimate compliments!

I believe that second Cap panel was from #283.

I really liked the way he worked the Wonder Twins into the Teen Titans.

I thought he worked Wendy and Marvin into Teen Titans. The Wonder Twins (Zan and Jayna) were worked into Young Justice by Peter David, I believe

“Days of Future Past” and “Future Imperfect” were both really good– I especially liked seeing Rick Jones’ museum of superhero memorabilia. I haven’t read the latest X-Factor yet, but I am wondering what’s going to happen to Layla…

What’s to like about Johns putting Wendy and Marvin into Teen Titans? He introduced them and then promptly forgot all about it. Just like Superboy adopting Krypto, Wonder Girl attending the Elias School, Raven attending public high school, or anything else that might distract from the 24-hour drama-fest.

Cover game:
http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=87721&zoom=4

My vote for coolest time travel story is “Rock of Ages” in JLA because the time-travel stuff is brilliant (and soon to be revisited in Final Crisis) and mixed in so deftly with the other storyline where the JLA battling the Injustice Gang and given a nice twist when it’s discovered that the JLA *winning* actually causes dystopian future where Darkseid rules to come into being.

One Superman skeleton, coming right up -
http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=87721&zoom=4

Best time travel story? How about Morrison’s Animal Man where he travels back into previous issues in his new costume, said issues having a sinister cameo from an Animal Man in a costume we don’t recognize. Then he meets up with the Phantom Stranger and the Immortal Man for a coffee. Great stuff.

The ‘name the comic from the panel’ contest isn’t as hard as it sounds?! I knew the Byrne one was 255 but I can’t even remember the issue numbers Zeck drew let alone which one specifically! Checked GCD and I’ll take a guess at 265 or 266 ’cause I know SHIELD played a pretty big part in ‘em. Last one, haven’t a clue…

Time Travel: +1 for the original Days Of Future Past.

Do you think Avengers Forever qualifies a time travel story?

World War Kang from Buisek’s Avengers run involved time travel, but only in that he brought soldiers from across time. That one was GREAT, but it’d be stretching things to include it here.

Teebore already mentioned my favorite time travel story from WCA. I’m pretty sure it was called the Cross-Time Caper. One of the first “big” storylines I read when I started collecting comics and I still really like it to this day.

Avengers Forever is definitely another favorite. But then again, I’m a sucker for time travel stories and-by extension-Kang stories, so there’s lots of those out there that I love.

Cross-Time Caper was the Excalibur arc…

Patrick Hamilton

June 24, 2008 at 9:48 am

Wasn’t the West Coast Avengers arc called “Lost in Space-Time?” It was actually the first issue of that arc that got me back into comics (along with the penultimate issue of Stern’s Masters of Evil saga), so it ranks as a favorite.

Best Time Travel Story: Starman #51 where Jack meets up with a young Jor-El. I especially love the follow up discussion with Superman issues later.

For my money, Geoff John’s Green Lantern run would be about 3 things on a Top 10 cool list by him. Johns found a clever way to bring Hal Jordan back and have him be a hero, for which I’ll always be grateful to him. And I’ve been really enjoying his Action Comics run.

I like time-travel stories best when they don’t drag on forever, so the WCA & Excalibur stories both lose points for that. The original “Days of Future Past” was way cool. A nice, intriguing 2-parter. Ditto with The Incredible Hulk’s “Future Imperfect”. “Time and Time Again” in the Superman titles was neat, with Supes traveling to Camelot, WWII, prehistoric times and meeting the Legion at three different points in their history (Silver Age, modern & 5YL).

I’m not sure if it qualifies as a storyline, but I think my favorite use of time travel in comics has to be Quicksilver’s short-lived mutation via Terrigen mists from David Hine’s Son of M miniseries. He could displace himself in time, thus we never really saw him live anything other than a linear existence; instead, we just saw his jaunts into the past or the future as multiple Quicksilvers. One of his first uses of the power was to step ahead briefly twice in rapid succession, so he could beat up Magneto as a three-on-one fight. Unfortunately, Peter David recently restored his powers to normal and took the Terrigen crystal shards out of his chest.

After reading the comments, I’d also have to mention WCA and Days of Future Past.

As for Geoff Johns, I think the first 25 issues of Teen Titans were incredible. The cliffhanger endings, character development, and touching base on many corners of the Titans universe made that a very fun two years. Plus, it all cumulated with Connor turning on the team, which was quite crazy and tied back into the first issue’s cliffhanger. The book seemed to lose its way after Infinite Crisis, however, with Liefeld and Hawk and Dove and all sorts of other stuff.

Coolest Time Travel Story has to be Adventure Comics #247, of course.

After that, I’d put pretty much any one of the ‘Time Twisters’ 2000AD shorts Alan Moore wrote. (The Dragnet parody time cops one and the guy living backwards one are among the best of that lot.)

Ditto Alan Moore’s dragnet parody – absolutely ingenious.

I also like (as much for being surprised by its out-of-place-ness as anything else) the Punisher issue where he travels back to the ST Valentine’s Day massacre to kill loads of Chicago gangsters.

Spider-Boy Team Up #1 from the second round of Almagam is probably the most fun with time travel ever to be had.

Re time-travel stories, my first thought was “Days of Future Past,” but with all the people mentioning the West Coast Avengers story, what about the original Avengers story where Hawkeye and Thor (and Moondragon?) visit the old West, meet the western heroes and fight Kang? That was a great story!

It’s not a true time-travel story, but there’s a story at the end of “The Silencers: Black Kiss” by Fred Van Lente and Steve Ellis that centers on a guy whose superpower is that he can see all potential futures for the next three minutes. They pull an amazing little bit of comics trickery using color and panel layouts to show the 3 or 4 different alternatives he has in one situation before he picks one and resolves the situation optimally. It’s traveling in time, but probably not in the way you meant.

Time travel story: Captain Marvel v4, “Odyssey.” It starts off small, with Rick Jones trying to write a song to get Marlo back, and builds and builds to the most gut-wrenching final two pages in #24. It pretty much encapsulates everything great about PAD’s Genis stories and v4 in particular.

I feel like the “Nearness of You” from Astro City is worth mentioning. (It’s really about the after-effects of a time crisis, and it’s only a one-shot, but it’s a very good one-shot.)

Will “Booster Gold has been very enjoyable!” be in 3rd place on next week’s list? :P

Favorite time travel story: Joe Casey did an issue of Cable, where the hero fought Immortus. The sequence of events were all jumbled, leaving the reader to piece together what happened, as the ending revealed the temporary havoc to time that the foes caused. Neat twist… not unlike the movie, Memento, in it’s fragmented storyline.

That’s right, “Lost in Space-Time.” I always get that and “Cross-Time Caper” confused for some reason. Thanks for the corrections yo go and Patrick.

“what about the original Avengers story where Hawkeye and Thor (and Moondragon?) visit the old West, meet the western heroes and fight Kang? That was a great story!”

It was indeed. Englehart’s a master at those kind of wonky time travel stories.

“It pretty much encapsulates everything great about PAD’s Genis stories and v4 in particular.”

PAD’s Captain Marvel run is sorely underrated. It’s one of my favorites. Funny, exciting, action-packed, thought-provoking, fun and poignant. How often does all of that make it into one series?

Will “Booster Gold has been very enjoyable!” be in 3rd place on next week’s list? :P

Hehe…if I can find a way to do so! :)

“I thought he worked Wendy and Marvin into Teen Titans. The Wonder Twins (Zan and Jayna) were worked into Young Justice by Peter David, I believe”

It was Extreme Justice, by… I have no idea. The book went through about four writers in its 17 issue run. They popped up near the end of the book and really didn’t have time to do anything.

to Graham who mentioned Aztec Ace – I too remember that series and I also enjoyed it, so I give a vote for best time travel series.

Adventure Comics #369. Mordru scared the Legion so bad they fled to the past to hide in Smallville. It blew my young fanboy mind. One of the all time great covers as well.

Yeah, Adventure Comics #369 is a classic. So is DOFP, even though loads of people mentioned it. Marvel did run the idea into the ground, which is why last the storyline from Alan Davis’ 2nd run on Excaliber also ranks among my favorites, as he wrapped up the story. Well, he wrapped up Rachael’s future, at any rate…

Best time travel story? Well, I can’t remember the issue, but to my nine-year-old slef at the time, Iron Man and Doctor Doom meet King Arthur and have to team up to get home… Very reminiscent of a current Mighty Avengers story too….

It gob-smacked me! I’m sure if i read it again today, it probably wouldn’t have the same impact, but at the time, it was pure genius!

I think the cover theme game featured characters with too much in common. In addtion to the answers above, they were children of All Star Squadron members.

Stephane Savoie

June 25, 2008 at 8:17 am

Time Travel: Morrison’s final arc on AnimalMan.
Simonson’s on FF was pretty awesome, tho.

I think the cover theme game featured characters with too much in common. In addtion to the answers above, they were children of All Star Squadron members.

EVERYone was a child of an All-Star Squadron member!

It’s like saying “they all have costumes!” :)

Blackjac-I have the What If? that tells the stroy of what would happen if Dr. Doom tricked Iron Man and stranded him in King Aurthors time. Still just a fun story

Daniel O' Dreams

June 26, 2008 at 6:47 pm

OK… How about there all the children of TWO All Star Squadron members! We never did find out who Lyta’s father actually was. Leaving many to assume it was Arn Munroe…

When trying to come up with a favorite time travel story that hadn’t allready been mentioned, I couldn’t come up with a single great DC example. Rock Of Ages aside, any other great non-legion time travel arcs outthere from DC?
The JLA/JSA crossover where they rescue the Seven Soldiers Of Victory was pretty fun but I don’t know if it belongs on a list of the best time travel stories

mrjayberry – thanks for that! But I think there must have been an issue of Iron Man the sprouted the What If!… because I remember a sequence where they end up cannibalising both their armours (with thought bubbles declaring their grudging respect for each other’s designs) and BOTH of them returning home…

Is there an Iron Man guru out there who can put my mind to rest???

Best time travel story? Well, I can’t remember the issue, but to my nine-year-old slef at the time, Iron Man and Doctor Doom meet King Arthur and have to team up to get home… Very reminiscent of a current Mighty Avengers story too….

It gob-smacked me! I’m sure if i read it again today, it probably wouldn’t have the same impact, but at the time, it was pure genius!

Then you should get the Iron Man: Doomquest HC that recently came out!

It reprinted their first time travel team up to the time of King Arthur (from Iron Man #149-150) and their second (Iron Man #249-250)!

Brian! THANK YOU!!!

You truly are the font of all comic-related goodness!

That is going on my birthday list!

Time Travel: That West Coast Avengers story was the shit! It had the team lost in the wild west and ancient Egypt, helping the Fantastic Four when they first met Rama Tut (without meeting them!), being helped by Dr. Strange (without knowing it), Hawkeye being responsible for the creation of the Moon Knight, Hank Pym attempting suicide, Firebird (or La Espirita) giving him a reason to live (if you got a chance to do it with a hot nun, you would want to live too!), and Mockingbird being kidnapped, and brainwashed by Phantom Rider. WHEW!

The covers: All three were children of JSA members (Liberty Belle II is daughter of LB I and Johnny Quick; Fury II is adopted daughter of Miss America; Dr. Fate is son of Hawkman I and Hawkgirl I)

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