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	<title>Comments on: John Seavey&#039;s Storytelling Engines: An Informal Poll</title>
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		<title>By: Blackjak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could probably find a Monty Python comic too if you looked hard enough!!  At the very least, influenced by them...  
.. I suppose &quot;Superman: True Brit&quot; or &quot;The Beefeater&quot; in &quot;Justice League Europe&quot; are probably just a  teeny bit tenuous though...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could probably find a Monty Python comic too if you looked hard enough!!  At the very least, influenced by them...<br />
.. I suppose "Superman: True Brit" or "The Beefeater" in "Justice League Europe" are probably just a  teeny bit tenuous though...<br />
 <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: comixkid2099</title>
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		<dc:creator>comixkid2099</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree. since all of the television series&#039; that John mentioned, except for Monty Python, have had comic book spinoffs, then it should be fine, in my opinion. That would be a comic book connection, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree. since all of the television series' that John mentioned, except for Monty Python, have had comic book spinoffs, then it should be fine, in my opinion. That would be a comic book connection, right?</p>
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		<title>By: KMFPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>KMFPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I&#039;d still encourage you to err on the side of leniency! See if there&#039;s negative feedback, then make future decisions based on response/traffic.

But that&#039;s just my two cents... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I'd still encourage you to err on the side of leniency! See if there's negative feedback, then make future decisions based on response/traffic.</p>
<p>But that's just my two cents... <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, John, I gotcha - I didn&#039;t mean to suggest anything negative - just that it would seem to be a shame for the columns to fluctuate dramatically in readership, for your sake.

But if you&#039;re fine with the &quot;when applicable&quot; thing, then sure, that sounds like a fair approach that would allow you to keep doing the column without any real changes to your format!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, John, I gotcha - I didn't mean to suggest anything negative - just that it would seem to be a shame for the columns to fluctuate dramatically in readership, for your sake.</p>
<p>But if you're fine with the "when applicable" thing, then sure, that sounds like a fair approach that would allow you to keep doing the column without any real changes to your format!</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, Brian, I consider the co-hosting of this column as a privilege, not a right. If there&#039;s a week where you decide not to host it for being insufficiently comics-related, I&#039;d consider it quite fair on your part (especially if you serve fair warning that you&#039;ll hold off some weeks if I don&#039;t stick to the comics medium, which would pretty much make it my own fault if I write something that doesn&#039;t fit.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, Brian, I consider the co-hosting of this column as a privilege, not a right. If there's a week where you decide not to host it for being insufficiently comics-related, I'd consider it quite fair on your part (especially if you serve fair warning that you'll hold off some weeks if I don't stick to the comics medium, which would pretty much make it my own fault if I write something that doesn't fit.)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, if John launches into a series of these on Doctor Who, people who are interested can see them on Fraggmented, and people who arenâ€™t wonâ€™t see them here.&lt;/blockquote&gt; It&#039;d be fine by me, but it would mean that he&#039;d have weeks where his stuff would be a lot less read, ya know? 

So that might not be as fine for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, if John launches into a series of these on Doctor Who, people who are interested can see them on Fraggmented, and people who arenâ€™t wonâ€™t see them here.</p></blockquote>
<p> It'd be fine by me, but it would mean that he'd have weeks where his stuff would be a lot less read, ya know? </p>
<p>So that might not be as fine for him.</p>
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		<title>By: KMFPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>KMFPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.. I&#039;m of two minds.

I REALLY like this feature. I like it even when I&#039;m not familiar with the subject matter.  To me, that means I like both the concept and the writer.  So I&#039;d like to see more from John, and more about storytelling engines.

OTOH, I agree that CSBG is, by virtue of it&#039;s name, a comics site.  So while BUFFY or THE SIMPSONS can loosely be tied to that, THE CRITIC can&#039;t. 

OTTH, I think that there&#039;s a pretty big chance that anyone reading CSBG is an animation fan, a SF fan, a fantasy fan... basically, we&#039;re geeks.

OK, so I&#039;m of three minds.

So I&#039;ll just ask, &quot;John, what do you want to write?&quot; 

Because I want to read it.  I think if you expanded outside of comics at this point, you&#039;d still have an audience here.  So go ahead and write up that MONTY PYTHON Storytelling Engine (now there&#039;s a walking contradiction!).

And we&#039;ll see what people think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.. I'm of two minds.</p>
<p>I REALLY like this feature. I like it even when I'm not familiar with the subject matter.  To me, that means I like both the concept and the writer.  So I'd like to see more from John, and more about storytelling engines.</p>
<p>OTOH, I agree that CSBG is, by virtue of it's name, a comics site.  So while BUFFY or THE SIMPSONS can loosely be tied to that, THE CRITIC can't. </p>
<p>OTTH, I think that there's a pretty big chance that anyone reading CSBG is an animation fan, a SF fan, a fantasy fan... basically, we're geeks.</p>
<p>OK, so I'm of three minds.</p>
<p>So I'll just ask, "John, what do you want to write?" </p>
<p>Because I want to read it.  I think if you expanded outside of comics at this point, you'd still have an audience here.  So go ahead and write up that MONTY PYTHON Storytelling Engine (now there's a walking contradiction!).</p>
<p>And we'll see what people think.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One idea for the Human Torch is to compare it to other Silver Age Marvel series such as Ant Man/Giant Man where the storytelling engine kept changing every few issues .  In many ways, these two series illustrate how a comic book can fail if it does not have a strong story-telling engine.

I think Stan Lee originally envision the Human Torch series as having the same potential as Spider-man.  But, almost everything that makes Spider-man successful is missing from the Human Torch series: an interesting alter ego, strong supporting cast, tight stories, etc.

Ant Man/Giant Man has similar issues, but at least has the advantage of including the Wasp in the later issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One idea for the Human Torch is to compare it to other Silver Age Marvel series such as Ant Man/Giant Man where the storytelling engine kept changing every few issues .  In many ways, these two series illustrate how a comic book can fail if it does not have a strong story-telling engine.</p>
<p>I think Stan Lee originally envision the Human Torch series as having the same potential as Spider-man.  But, almost everything that makes Spider-man successful is missing from the Human Torch series: an interesting alter ego, strong supporting cast, tight stories, etc.</p>
<p>Ant Man/Giant Man has similar issues, but at least has the advantage of including the Wasp in the later issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Thenodrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thenodrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t Dr Who appear on both, depending of course on if he sticks strictly to the various storytelling engines that the BBC has used / is using, or if he also delves into the various comic books / strips that spun off?

Theno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn't Dr Who appear on both, depending of course on if he sticks strictly to the various storytelling engines that the BBC has used / is using, or if he also delves into the various comic books / strips that spun off?</p>
<p>Theno</p>
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		<title>By: Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a compromise between the comics-purists and those who want something a little broader: John should continue to post these to his own blog (as he already does), and then Brian would only repost the comics-related ones on CSBG.  

So, if John launches into a series of these on Doctor Who, people who are interested can see them on &lt;a href=&quot;http://fraggmented.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fraggmented&lt;/a&gt;, and people who aren&#039;t won&#039;t see them here. 

But, if he does an OMAC storytelling engines post, it would appear on both blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's a compromise between the comics-purists and those who want something a little broader: John should continue to post these to his own blog (as he already does), and then Brian would only repost the comics-related ones on CSBG.  </p>
<p>So, if John launches into a series of these on Doctor Who, people who are interested can see them on <a href="http://fraggmented.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Fraggmented</a>, and people who aren't won't see them here. </p>
<p>But, if he does an OMAC storytelling engines post, it would appear on both blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackjak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t you cover series like Doctor Who, Buffy, Angel, BSG, etc...?  They have all had spin-offs in comic-book form, and it would be interesting to see how the engines differed to suit the medium... if they did...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can't you cover series like Doctor Who, Buffy, Angel, BSG, etc...?  They have all had spin-offs in comic-book form, and it would be interesting to see how the engines differed to suit the medium... if they did...</p>
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		<title>By: adam barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t read non-comics related material, and would actually find it a little annoying to have that sort of thing appear on a comics site...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn't read non-comics related material, and would actually find it a little annoying to have that sort of thing appear on a comics site...</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote for continuing with comics, but maybe see if you can get a run of comics you&#039;ve never read before. I&#039;ve heard eldritch rumors of places you can download runs of comics for very little money...

Or, do a volume 2 of certain characters/titles! Iron Man isn&#039;t about stopping the yellow menace anyone, and certianly the X-Men have at times done more than sit around and wait to be attacked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote for continuing with comics, but maybe see if you can get a run of comics you've never read before. I've heard eldritch rumors of places you can download runs of comics for very little money...</p>
<p>Or, do a volume 2 of certain characters/titles! Iron Man isn't about stopping the yellow menace anyone, and certianly the X-Men have at times done more than sit around and wait to be attacked.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cage</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see the column continue in one form or another. Not all of the subject matter appeals to me -- not a big fan of a lot of the silver age DC stuff -- but it&#039;s interesting seeing it broken down all the same.

Have a good day.
John Cage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd love to see the column continue in one form or another. Not all of the subject matter appeals to me -- not a big fan of a lot of the silver age DC stuff -- but it's interesting seeing it broken down all the same.</p>
<p>Have a good day.<br />
John Cage</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was waiting to hear Greg&#039;s thoughts, to see if they matched my own, and they do, because that&#039;s what I think about his columns - that no matter how much they may veer into different territories, they&#039;re all vaguely connected to comics, which I like.

So yeah, I&#039;d prefer it remain comics-oriented, and really, what Greg mentions is spot on - once you&#039;ve established what the storytelling engine is for the various comics, you still have a whole mountain of material left out of applying those engines to comics, via comparing and contrasting and stuff like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was waiting to hear Greg's thoughts, to see if they matched my own, and they do, because that's what I think about his columns - that no matter how much they may veer into different territories, they're all vaguely connected to comics, which I like.</p>
<p>So yeah, I'd prefer it remain comics-oriented, and really, what Greg mentions is spot on - once you've established what the storytelling engine is for the various comics, you still have a whole mountain of material left out of applying those engines to comics, via comparing and contrasting and stuff like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Hatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Hatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hatcherâ€™s â€˜Fridayâ€™ columns have a great tendency to delve into other areas of pop culture than comics, so thereâ€™s definitely precedent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s absolutely true. There have been lots of times I&#039;ve wandered off into one area or another  -- paperback covers, exploitation films, etc. -- and people have been very forgiving. Though there usually is some connection to comics, however tenuous.

More to the point, though, I wouldn&#039;t feel constrained to keep going if I haven&#039;t got anything new to say. The easy solution, it seems to me, would be to think of the engine or the idea you want to talk about for a column, and then think of a series example that FITS, rather than arbitrarily assign yourself an Essential or a Showcase and figure out what its engine is. How does Jimmy Olsen&#039;s function change from &lt;i&gt;Superman&lt;/i&gt; to &lt;i&gt;Jimmy Olsen&lt;/i&gt; to &lt;i&gt;Lois Lane?&lt;/i&gt; How does the engine itself morph over the course of a long-running title-- &lt;i&gt;Jimmy Olsen,&lt;/i&gt; again, changed a LOT from its beginnings as a Weisinger title to the Kirby years on through to the &quot;Mr. Action!&quot; era. Is there such a thing as an extinct engine, that you just plain don&#039;t see any more?

....and so on. But the basic advice from me is: If your current formula&#039;s not working, try something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hatcherâ€™s â€˜Fridayâ€™ columns have a great tendency to delve into other areas of pop culture than comics, so thereâ€™s definitely precedent.</p></blockquote>
<p>That's absolutely true. There have been lots of times I've wandered off into one area or another  -- paperback covers, exploitation films, etc. -- and people have been very forgiving. Though there usually is some connection to comics, however tenuous.</p>
<p>More to the point, though, I wouldn't feel constrained to keep going if I haven't got anything new to say. The easy solution, it seems to me, would be to think of the engine or the idea you want to talk about for a column, and then think of a series example that FITS, rather than arbitrarily assign yourself an Essential or a Showcase and figure out what its engine is. How does Jimmy Olsen's function change from <i>Superman</i> to <i>Jimmy Olsen</i> to <i>Lois Lane?</i> How does the engine itself morph over the course of a long-running title-- <i>Jimmy Olsen,</i> again, changed a LOT from its beginnings as a Weisinger title to the Kirby years on through to the "Mr. Action!" era. Is there such a thing as an extinct engine, that you just plain don't see any more?</p>
<p>....and so on. But the basic advice from me is: If your current formula's not working, try something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say start looking at webcomics.  Sure, they&#039;re usually by only a single person, but they still have their own engines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say start looking at webcomics.  Sure, they're usually by only a single person, but they still have their own engines.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Fitzpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Fitzpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go forth, and blog something else.

Experiment. and Test.

You can always revive this blog whenever you have an itch to scratch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go forth, and blog something else.</p>
<p>Experiment. and Test.</p>
<p>You can always revive this blog whenever you have an itch to scratch.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fiendish Dr. Samsara</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fiendish Dr. Samsara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This column is something I always look forward to, so I&#039;m all for continuing it in some form or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This column is something I always look forward to, so I'm all for continuing it in some form or another.</p>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there a few series that change their storytelling engine over the course of time?

X-Men and Spiderman have both had a few changes, and quite a few Essential volumes - perhaps you could look at those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there a few series that change their storytelling engine over the course of time?</p>
<p>X-Men and Spiderman have both had a few changes, and quite a few Essential volumes - perhaps you could look at those.</p>
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