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Manga Before Flowers -- Convention Talk
A week from now from I leave for L.A. & the mother of all Anime convetions -- Anime Expo.
This will be my third anime convention ever. The first was ACEN (Anime Central) a large-ish regional convention held in Chicago each May (attendance last year 12,000), and the second AnimeIowa (attendance last year 2,300), a much smaller regional con held in, you guessed it, Iowa!
According Anime Expo's own calculations, 41,000 people attended last year's con. Even if that number is really, really inflated that is a helluva lot of people in once place, attending one single event. This year's schedule alone is enough to give me a panic attack -- so, why am I doing this again?
This post is too remind myself why I do it and maybe even why I shouldn't.
Actually, by going to the con I'm conducting dissertation research on manga and anime fandom in the U.S. This is technically my "research year" (from Nov of 07 - Nov 08, although I'll probably extend my research into Spring of 09) so I figured if I was ever going to go to one of these ginormous cons this was going to be the year.
I could have gone to the San Diego comic-con, particularly since there is a LOT of manga coverage going on there these days (in fact as far as I can tell, Viz isn't even going to be at AnimeExpo, and is instead focusing its resources on SDCC). Both are absolutely major cons but in the end I went for AnimeExpo, figuring that whole darn thing would be my oyster, research-wise.
While I dread going -- travel and crowds suck big time in my book -- I can't help but be a little bit excited about it as well. Do people actually enjoy these things? Like *all* the time? Or even the majority of time they are there? Maybe I'm just a big ole' cranky homebody when it comes down to it.
Number one, cons are exhausting. First, they are physically very demanding, as one is running around all day, trying to figure out where panels actually are held, attempting to not starve to death and, struggling to navigate thousands of other people, who are scurrying about just as you are. Second, they are also intellectually draining, since as a researcher I'm constantly trying to figure out how to best document the event itself. Third, the fan in me just wants to play but the "academic" is supposed to be in charge at these things. Meaning, I have to responsible and pick the panels that linked to my actual research instead of hearing some publisher talk licenses.
There's also the fact that I never really feel like I "fit" in at these things -- I haven't embraced my inner-otaku and you will never, ever see me in some kind of costume (first of all, I'm at least a decade too old for that kind of thing but even if I weren't I never would have had the chutzpah to dress up like a fictional character anyway). Sidestory: At ACEN 07, the convention site was split between the anime folk (dressed up all manner of crazy dress -- one girl was wearing a CLOUD and, frankly, not much else) and optometrists. Who really seemed to think they had fallen down the rabbit hole and had NO IDEA what to make of these really strange-looking beings known as anime fans. And for the record, these optometrists were incredibly strait-laced (such a shock, I'm sure) and, seriously, really seemed like the biggest joy-kills imaginable. Having the fantastical and the mundane sharing the same space was really bizarre and was probably the funniest thing I saw the entire time I was there, but those professional folks clearly did not appreciate the situation.
Finally, I don't really seem to get the point of going hundreds or thousands of miles to sit in a dark room and watch anime with other people.....in silence. I get the panel aspect of it -- at least there folks are communicating and sharing their experience of fandom with each other. (Although I really despise panels about really specific aspects of fans' obsessions, as I can not stand to hear people go on and on about minutiae related to one property, franchise, character, pairing. and so on. There's a certain kind of otaku-ness that makes me a die a little inside).
So. Um. What the heck do I do at these things?
I try to go to panels that consider the role of not just anime and manga in our culture, but the role of anime and manga *fans* in our culture as well. The best panels I've been to have historically been run by grown-ups for grown-ups. For examples, panels run by librarians are usually really fantastic, since these are folks who *get* manga and how kids relate to it. I've even had a good time at panels run by parents for parents, talking about what it is like for them to watch their children have this, often, distancing imaginative life via their reception of anime & manga.
Oh before, I forget, don't ever go to a fansub discussion held by Greg Ayres (when I went to the panel I didn't even know that a voice actor was running it, but, dear god, that is one piece of information that would have actually been helpful). What I thought was going to be a serious discussion about fan practices ended up being a lecture about how fans shouldn't download and the ways they are killing the industry. Which is a perfectly reasonable position to take but there is a reason they call them "panels" and not jeremiads. Now having been to the panel I can never ever listen to this guy's work in dubbing, which is a shame because I believe he plays the main character in BECK. Blerg.
One thing I do like to do (too much probably) is shop. I usually don't spend a lot at these things but I always try to buy books from small publishers who attend (like Erica Friedman's ALC Publishing at ACEN) since I try to support these niche titles as much as possible. I'll try to do that AnimeExpo as well (although I don't know how many "small publishers" will actually be there). While I've never bought anime at cons Katherine Dacey's coverage of Further Adventures in Voice Acting at Manga Recon really makes me want to pick that up that DVD set if at all possible.
Another thing I'd like to try to do is going to one of the big "events" at this convention. Like the big AMV show or something, since I've really been exposed to that aspect of anime conventions (I find it incredibly difficult to manage my schedule at these things -- I'm hoping having some pervious experience will help me navigate my way through Anime Expo. Also, I'm planning to attend all four days, which should allow me to pace myself. One hopes. I've been known to send 40 minutes looking for a room only to discover it wasn't the room I wanted anyway at one of these things).
But more importantly, will I see any of you there? What will you be doing and why? What should *I* be doing and why? What should we do together?! For veterans, how crazy does this thing actually get? Advice and/or pitying looks would be gratefully accepted!
- Posted on June 25, 2008 @ 02:11 PM






15 Comments
Doug Atkinson
June 25, 2008 at 7:28 pm
"Finally, I don’t really seem to get the point of going hundreds or thousands of miles to sit in a dark room and watch anime with other people…..in silence."
As assistant department head of Video Programming at Anime Central this year, I can say the experience of watching anime in a group is like the difference between seeing a movie in the theater and watching it on your TV at home--in other words, it's not in silence. The experience is enhanced if everyone else's reaction is feeding yours; the humor is funnier, the action is more exciting, etc. I agree I wouldn't expect anyone to spend the *entire* con in the video rooms, but after a long day it's nice to relax and be passively entertained rather than force your way through the crowds.
Lynxara
June 25, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Also, a well-done con video room can give you access to seeing amazing things that are otherwise difficult or literally impossible to obtain on your own. Otakon in particular has a video room selection that always leaves me struggling to divide my time, as they're willing to show amazing obscurities like Dai-X. It should be noted that also, the "silence" aspect of a video room is sort of 50/50 in my experience. Especially at smaller cons, you may have the audience reacting vocally to what they're seeing... and a room full of viewers exploding with joy at seeing key bits of Macross or Irresponsible Captain Tyler for the first time is an amazing experience that's totally changed my opinion of certain shows.
Katherine Dacey
June 26, 2008 at 3:55 am
Thanks for the link!
I'm also a graduate student (very different field--not connected to manga or anime), but I can certainly relate to your con experiences. For me, the best reason to attend is the networking. I've met dozens of cool bloggers, editors, and artists at NY Comic-Con and NY Anime Fest, many of whom have introduced me to new series and manga-ka. Though I hate the crowds, the chaos, and the expense, I always come away from a convention feeling energized. (Well, and poor... I always buy too many books. And the Javits Center charges what might be charitably called "airport prices" for coffee, soda, etc.)
Looking forward to your write-up!
Danielle Leigh
June 26, 2008 at 4:59 am
hi Doug and Lynxara -- thanks for stopping by! Since you two have some experience with this, I was wondering what kind of viewing experience I should attempt to create at Anime Expo -- should I try out a show I've never seen before, should I go for one I have seen before and liked just to experience the show with other fans? What are your suggestions?
I think as a researcher it makes sense to go to something I've seen before and experience the crowd itself in stead of the what is showing on screen, but I was curious what you two thought about this.....
Danielle Leigh
June 26, 2008 at 5:02 am
hi Katherine! Well, this anxiety-fueled post is my way of attempting to make blogging contacts ahead of time....at least I hope other bloggers who plan go might stop by here and give me a head's up.
And oh yes, the books! Dear god I love books *sigh* Even with amazon.com making almost everything ever published available I still really enjoy the "shopping experience" and picking out books in person.
Lynxara
June 26, 2008 at 9:21 am
I guess it depends on your interests and what your other options are during various timeblocks-- also on how AnimeExpo particularly approaches its viewing room, which I'm not acquainted with personally. If they just show whatever's new on DVD then you're probably looking at a waste of time.
If I were picking out when to enter a viewing room, it would probably be dictated by the rarity of what they were showing, and then the genre. Anything with comedy or humorous elements seems to play really well to a crowd, and anything very tragic or heavy usually doesn't go over well. Finally, given the choice, I prefer watching films to TV episodes, and anything live-action to anything anime (as the former is much rarer than the latter).
Lawrence Eng
June 26, 2008 at 11:29 am
Hi Danielle,
Having done some anime fandom research of my own, I'll be sitting on the Anime and Manga in Academia panel, which will be held on Thursday evening at 6PM. It'd be great to have you there.
Danielle Leigh
June 26, 2008 at 2:50 pm
hi Lawrence --- oh just saw that panel on the schedule! If at all possible I'm going to try to be at that one, thanks for the head's up!
Doug Atkinson
June 26, 2008 at 3:52 pm
I concur with Lynxara; unfortunately Expo's site lists their programming information as "coming soon" (which I read as either "we're still working on the schedule until the last minute" or "the person in charge of the website hasn't put it up yet") so I can't tell for sure what to expect. There's a fair chance you'd be able to see the premiere of something before it's officially released, if that's of interest to you; smart companies are generous with screening material, since it's free advertising and word-of-mouth for them.
Generalizing from my ACen experiences, you'll generally see the largest audiences in later afternoon and early evening; if there's a popular action or comedy show then (especially a premiere or a fairly recent released) that should be the best time to experience a large group. (The last day of the con after hotel closing also brings in people, but they're often just looking for a place to kill time.) If you're watching for your own pleasure, it's probably worth checking out something you haven't seen before; if you want to put your researcher hat on, I agree that something you're familiar with is probably the way to go. (That also gives you the ability to compare the viewing experience between the viewing room and your living room, or wherever you first saw it. For example, I was amazed by how much more I enjoyed the first episode of "Afro Samurai" in the viewing room than I had on my DVR, although the fact that it was the uncut version was probably a factor as well.)
Danielle Leigh
June 26, 2008 at 6:12 pm
hi Doug, I was able to download the schedule in pdf format (which I'm sure they will have changes in the next week or so here):
http://www.anime-expo.org/convention-info/programming/schedule/
There is so much anime programming it is almost hard to know where to begin...although the showing of Evangelion 1.0: You Are Not Alone caught my eye (Sat night). However, I imagine this would be heavily attended considering Eva's popularity amongst fans (I suppose I'll just have to show up and hope for the best). I think it might be a good idea to try to see a few different genres as well -- the difference between "shonen" and "shojo" or between "otaku oriented" and more mainstream fare.
Meanwhile, does "closed to the public" panels mean only industry and /or press people get to attend those? 'cause those look so gosh darn juicy from the outside.....
Lynxara
June 26, 2008 at 10:22 pm
If there was a significant amount of actual shoujo I would be surprised (as opposed to, say, shows about cute girls for lonely guys). I usually see a major bias toward shounen/action/otaku-oriented programming on most con viewing room lists.
I'm not shocked Anime Expo is going to be running Evangelion 1.0, but anything Evangelion is high on the list of things that, in my experience, makes for a really lousy watch with a crowd. It seems anyone who doesn't have a good time or like what s/he sees decides everyone else needs to be miserable, too.
Doug Atkinson
June 27, 2008 at 5:39 am
Yeah, it's always much harder to fill the schedule for the shoujo room than the shounen room; so much more stuff comes out each year that's shounen-or-at-least-action-y than shoujo-or-at-least-relationship-y. (I know full well that Ah My Goddess! is technically seinen, but the American demographic it appeals to overlaps more with Marmalade Boy than with Naruto, and when you have 50 hours of programming to fill it doesn't pay to be overly fussy.)
I'm curious whether Eva 1.0 is the official translation (an English translation was commissioned for the film circuit; I happen to know the translator). There are cons that show fansubs, but I would think that AX would be too high-profile for that to be a good idea (especially for a new and popular series). The fact that it's showing on 35mm greatly increases the chance that it's official, since not too many fansubbers distribute in that format.
(At least it appears to be in a large function space; I once had to run crowd control on a showing of Howl's Moving Castle in a room that was far too small for it. Having to turn away parents and children because the room was full to capacity was pretty unpleasant.)
One showing that did catch my eye is that they appear to be premiering Emma on Friday at 4. There's also a showing of Trigun on Friday at 9; depending on how you feel about the series, that strikes me as one that would benefit from the group experience, being both action and comedic in the early episodes.
Danielle Leigh
June 27, 2008 at 5:51 am
hi Doug,
thanks for your insight on the workings of showing anime at a con! And, ouch, on the whole Howl's Moving Castle thing....I'm really curious if there are a LOT of very young people / families at a large con like Expo. To me it seems the smaller the con, the more kid-friendly it can be (I only can compare ACEN to AnimeIowa but there were huge differences in the "feel" of each). But this one is so large it may just be able to accommodate many, many different tastes.
And great suggestions about Emma and Trigun .....Emma is showing against an ADV panel and I'm kinda curius if they explode into nothingness that day against fan-rage (of if they are going to rage back, which seems to be their status-quo these days). Too many decisions!!!!!
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Lawrence Eng
July 4, 2008 at 8:35 am
Hi Danielle,
Thanks for being on the panel (Anime and Manga in Academia) with us yesterday. It was really great to have you, and I hope we can do more of these panels together in the future. I didn't get your contact info, unfortunately. Could you send me an email?