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	<title>Comments on: Comics Should Be Good Top 50 Countdown! - #19</title>
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		<title>By: Dalarsco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalarsco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One that I always remember, which I think deserves an honorable mention though not the countdown spot itself, is X-Force #19.  It was the first post-Cable issue, and it was when Sam truly came into his own as a leader.  If it hadn&#039;t been for Loeb&#039;s butchery of the character in the mid-90s he&#039;d be thought of as an X-Leader on par with Cyclops and Storm.  The &quot;Open Hand/Closed Fist&quot; scene is phenomenal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One that I always remember, which I think deserves an honorable mention though not the countdown spot itself, is X-Force #19.  It was the first post-Cable issue, and it was when Sam truly came into his own as a leader.  If it hadn't been for Loeb's butchery of the character in the mid-90s he'd be thought of as an X-Leader on par with Cyclops and Storm.  The "Open Hand/Closed Fist" scene is phenomenal.</p>
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		<title>By: buttler</title>
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		<dc:creator>buttler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, #8 . . Death, or Wonder Woman?  Isn&#039;t that always the choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, #8 . . Death, or Wonder Woman?  Isn't that always the choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scavenger said:
&quot;Sandman 19 is a major book in comics and out. In the history of Comics, Sandman will be written aboutâ€¦Morrisonâ€™s Doom Patrol might not even be a foot note.&quot;

Except like FunkyGreenJersualem pointed out, it already has been written about. Steven Shaviro wrote a whole book about the series and how it relates to postmodernism. The Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Doom-Patrols-Theoretical-Postmodernism-Serpents/dp/1852424303/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215726777&amp;sr=8-1

Tim Callahan&#039;s book about Grant Morrison&#039;s early career also covers the series in detail:

http://www.amazon.com/Grant-Morrison-Early-Timothy-Callahan/dp/0615140874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215726826&amp;sr=1-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scavenger said:<br />
"Sandman 19 is a major book in comics and out. In the history of Comics, Sandman will be written aboutâ€¦Morrisonâ€™s Doom Patrol might not even be a foot note."</p>
<p>Except like FunkyGreenJersualem pointed out, it already has been written about. Steven Shaviro wrote a whole book about the series and how it relates to postmodernism. The Amazon link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Doom-Patrols-Theoretical-Postmodernism-Serpents/dp/1852424303/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215726777&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Doom-Patrols-Theoretical-Postmodernism-Serpents/dp/1852424303/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215726777&amp;sr=8-1</a></p>
<p>Tim Callahan's book about Grant Morrison's early career also covers the series in detail:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Grant-Morrison-Early-Timothy-Callahan/dp/0615140874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215726826&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Grant-Morrison-Early-Timothy-Callahan/dp/0615140874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215726826&amp;sr=1-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic choice from a fantastic series! If people are DESPERATE to get Sandman on the countdown, they could always go with #8- the first appearance of Death. But this is what I thought of when I thought of a comic issue numbered #19. Great start to a classic run, with the introduction of Crazy Jane to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic choice from a fantastic series! If people are DESPERATE to get Sandman on the countdown, they could always go with #8- the first appearance of Death. But this is what I thought of when I thought of a comic issue numbered #19. Great start to a classic run, with the introduction of Crazy Jane to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: wwk5d</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwk5d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have gone with Sandman...</description>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say it&#039;s a good call - Midsummer Nights Dream is good and all, but I would have said it was #15.
This might not be as good, but I did know the issue number for it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the history of Comics, Sandman will be written aboutâ€¦Morrisonâ€™s Doom Patrol might not even be a foot note.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Doom Patrol&#039;s already been written about in books.

And honestly, shouldn&#039;t every issue of this be Sandman if we&#039;re going to talk about which comics &#039;will be written about&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd say it's a good call - Midsummer Nights Dream is good and all, but I would have said it was #15.<br />
This might not be as good, but I did know the issue number for it.</p>
<blockquote><p>In the history of Comics, Sandman will be written aboutâ€¦Morrisonâ€™s Doom Patrol might not even be a foot note.</p></blockquote>
<p>Doom Patrol's already been written about in books.</p>
<p>And honestly, shouldn't every issue of this be Sandman if we're going to talk about which comics 'will be written about'?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zach: Eh?  I&#039;m not Quasar guy.  I&#039;m obscure bronze-age DC (and a few indies) guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach: Eh?  I'm not Quasar guy.  I'm obscure bronze-age DC (and a few indies) guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legion of Superheroes (v4) 19 was the one where Dev-Em blew up the moon.  Not &#039;good&#039; exactly, but...

Star Trek #19 (First DC series) featured special stunt guest writer Walter Koenig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legion of Superheroes (v4) 19 was the one where Dev-Em blew up the moon.  Not 'good' exactly, but...</p>
<p>Star Trek #19 (First DC series) featured special stunt guest writer Walter Koenig.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff R:

Sorry, buddy, but as much as I too love Quasar, i think that Ditko beat Gru to the &#039;superhero just flat out tells the love interest to avoid a misunderstanding&#039; with Blue Beetle #2 back in the 60s.

Re: Doom Patrol vs. Sandman, I can&#039;t really vote on this one, as I&#039;ve never read that far into Sandman.  DP #19 was the first 19 I thought of, but again, I hadn&#039;t read Sandman past the first TPB.  (I&#039;ll get around to it eventually, dammit.)

Too bad we&#039;re not going to #123; that&#039;s one everyone could agree on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff R:</p>
<p>Sorry, buddy, but as much as I too love Quasar, i think that Ditko beat Gru to the 'superhero just flat out tells the love interest to avoid a misunderstanding' with Blue Beetle #2 back in the 60s.</p>
<p>Re: Doom Patrol vs. Sandman, I can't really vote on this one, as I've never read that far into Sandman.  DP #19 was the first 19 I thought of, but again, I hadn't read Sandman past the first TPB.  (I'll get around to it eventually, dammit.)</p>
<p>Too bad we're not going to #123; that's one everyone could agree on!</p>
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		<title>By: dhole</title>
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		<dc:creator>dhole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assumed this one would win, but Sandman completely slipped my mind and now I&#039;m not so sure it shouldn&#039;t have been the selection. Doom Patrol is a good choice, though.

Alas, no love for Mimic and his debut in X-men 19.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assumed this one would win, but Sandman completely slipped my mind and now I'm not so sure it shouldn't have been the selection. Doom Patrol is a good choice, though.</p>
<p>Alas, no love for Mimic and his debut in X-men 19.</p>
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		<title>By: David Frankel</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Frankel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all issues will have the noteworthiness (see how I make fun of the president there) of X-Men #94, but when someone says, &quot;I&#039;m looking for issue number four to complete my key issues,&quot; do you think of Avengers or of Quasar?  

But you&#039;re right  one would have to stretch to get those last few, less key issues of a Top Fifty.   Still... makes for some interesting discussion on some  noteworthy comics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all issues will have the noteworthiness (see how I make fun of the president there) of X-Men #94, but when someone says, "I'm looking for issue number four to complete my key issues," do you think of Avengers or of Quasar?  </p>
<p>But you're right  one would have to stretch to get those last few, less key issues of a Top Fifty.   Still... makes for some interesting discussion on some  noteworthy comics.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sleepwalker #19 was the one with the cut-out cardboard mask on the cover.</description>
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		<title>By: Random Stranger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Stranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW I knew both issue numbers off the top of my head, but don&#039;t second guess yourself on this.  If one was #19 and one was #20 they&#039;d both be very worthy additions to the list but you had to choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW I knew both issue numbers off the top of my head, but don't second guess yourself on this.  If one was #19 and one was #20 they'd both be very worthy additions to the list but you had to choose.</p>
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		<title>By: buttler</title>
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		<dc:creator>buttler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But . . . but ROM #19 had Space Phantom, because you demanded it!  And Micronauts #19 guest-starred Ant-Man!  Because, see, he&#039;s small too!   Brilliant!  

Not only did Dazzler #19 feature Absorbing Man AND black Bolt, but it was titled-- wait for it -- &quot;Creel...and inhuman treatment!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But . . . but ROM #19 had Space Phantom, because you demanded it!  And Micronauts #19 guest-starred Ant-Man!  Because, see, he's small too!   Brilliant!  </p>
<p>Not only did Dazzler #19 feature Absorbing Man AND black Bolt, but it was titled-- wait for it -- "Creel...and inhuman treatment!"</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I began thinking of issue numbers for the whole thing, Doom Patrol #19 was one of the very first issue numbers that came to mind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I began thinking of issue numbers for the whole thing, Doom Patrol #19 was one of the very first issue numbers that came to mind!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Hatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Hatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ultimately, as strong as the Gaiman issue is (and it is certainly better than Doom Patrol #19), I do not think it has the same notableness of Morrisonâ€™s first issue of Doom Patrol. I wasnâ€™t even sure which issue of Sandman HAD the Midsummerâ€™s Night Dream story in it!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is kind of what I was getting at before, Brian. If the criterion is the NUMBER itself of the significant/memorable comic, it&#039;s gota be Sandman. If it&#039;s the NUMBER YOU THINK PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER, I doubt you&#039;ll make fifty and there&#039;s going to be quite a few where you&#039;ll have to reach for it. This seems pretty clearly to me to be one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ultimately, as strong as the Gaiman issue is (and it is certainly better than Doom Patrol #19), I do not think it has the same notableness of Morrisonâ€™s first issue of Doom Patrol. I wasnâ€™t even sure which issue of Sandman HAD the Midsummerâ€™s Night Dream story in it!</p></blockquote>
<p>This is kind of what I was getting at before, Brian. If the criterion is the NUMBER itself of the significant/memorable comic, it's gota be Sandman. If it's the NUMBER YOU THINK PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER, I doubt you'll make fifty and there's going to be quite a few where you'll have to reach for it. This seems pretty clearly to me to be one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Scavenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scavenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta say I agree a recount needs to be done here.

For: &quot;I wasnâ€™t even sure which issue of Sandman HAD the Midsummerâ€™s Night Dream story in it!&quot;

I think the same could be said if you asked around &quot;What issue did Morrison begin on Doom Patrol&quot;.

Sandman 19 is a major book in comics and out. In the history of Comics, Sandman will be written about...Morrison&#039;s Doom Patrol might not even be a foot note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta say I agree a recount needs to be done here.</p>
<p>For: "I wasnâ€™t even sure which issue of Sandman HAD the Midsummerâ€™s Night Dream story in it!"</p>
<p>I think the same could be said if you asked around "What issue did Morrison begin on Doom Patrol".</p>
<p>Sandman 19 is a major book in comics and out. In the history of Comics, Sandman will be written about...Morrison's Doom Patrol might not even be a foot note.</p>
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		<title>By: kushiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>kushiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sure, Brian, you wrote it in the piece, but were you aware of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sure, Brian, you wrote it in the piece, but were you aware of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Um, Brian, you are aware that they actually changed the rules of the World Fantasy Awards after this issue won to prevent graphic literature to ever be nominated again. At the time its winning (and the changing of the rules around it) was incredibly controversial.&lt;/blockquote&gt; I&#039;d hope so, because it was in the piece. :)
&lt;blockquote&gt;but Neil Gaimanâ€™s amazing issue of The Sandman deserves serious recognition (which it got - by winning a World Fantasy Award, an occurrence so dramatic that they changed the rules afterwards so that comic books were ineligible!)!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Um, Brian, you are aware that they actually changed the rules of the World Fantasy Awards after this issue won to prevent graphic literature to ever be nominated again. At the time its winning (and the changing of the rules around it) was incredibly controversial.</p></blockquote>
<p> I'd hope so, because it was in the piece. <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>but Neil Gaimanâ€™s amazing issue of The Sandman deserves serious recognition (which it got - by winning a World Fantasy Award, an occurrence so dramatic that they changed the rules afterwards so that comic books were ineligible!)!!</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: buttler</title>
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		<dc:creator>buttler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other notables are the introduction of the All-Winners Squad, Marvel&#039;s first superteam, in All-Winners Comics 19, and of Howard the Duck in Adventure into Fear 19.   Other not quite so notables include Stingray in Sub-Mariner 19 and White Tiger in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu 19, and yeah, Rama-Tut.  I love Howard, at least as he was back then, but I have to agree that going from Kupperberg to Morrison was a helluva shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other notables are the introduction of the All-Winners Squad, Marvel's first superteam, in All-Winners Comics 19, and of Howard the Duck in Adventure into Fear 19.   Other not quite so notables include Stingray in Sub-Mariner 19 and White Tiger in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu 19, and yeah, Rama-Tut.  I love Howard, at least as he was back then, but I have to agree that going from Kupperberg to Morrison was a helluva shift.</p>
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