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	<title>Comments on: Comics You Should Own &#8211; Hellblazer #41-50; 52-83</title>
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		<title>By: Addison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Addison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After digging through the back issue boxes of the comic shop I just got a job at, I found most of this run for 2$ an issue, and 41 for only 3$. After some work online just yesterday I finally finished collecting all of them. This will be my first time reading Ennis&#039;s Hellblazer but after the first arc alone I can already see myself liking this more than Preacher.

With regards to how much your column contains spoilers: I generally appreciative for a more complete and in depth look at the work as a whole. And if I haven&#039;t read whatever you&#039;re talking about I usually just read the introduction and conclusion to see if the comic would be something up my alley which avoids the spoilers anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After digging through the back issue boxes of the comic shop I just got a job at, I found most of this run for 2$ an issue, and 41 for only 3$. After some work online just yesterday I finally finished collecting all of them. This will be my first time reading Ennis&#8217;s Hellblazer but after the first arc alone I can already see myself liking this more than Preacher.</p>
<p>With regards to how much your column contains spoilers: I generally appreciative for a more complete and in depth look at the work as a whole. And if I haven&#8217;t read whatever you&#8217;re talking about I usually just read the introduction and conclusion to see if the comic would be something up my alley which avoids the spoilers anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: sgt rawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgt rawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can really see Ennis mature as he works his way through the title. This was the period I dropped it, just after Ellie had the baby. Financial reasons mostly but it just wasn&#039;t lighting me on fire the way it previously had. (Delano&#039;s run was spotty, too.) Maybe I just got sick of John as a character. 

I love Warren Ellis&#039; John because he&#039;s unrepentant bastard and once in a while, you see him do what John always does, lament his friends ... and it seems more poignant. He doesn&#039;t half whinge on a bit about all his dead mates, does our John. (That&#039;s why I got sick of him.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can really see Ennis mature as he works his way through the title. This was the period I dropped it, just after Ellie had the baby. Financial reasons mostly but it just wasn&#8217;t lighting me on fire the way it previously had. (Delano&#8217;s run was spotty, too.) Maybe I just got sick of John as a character. </p>
<p>I love Warren Ellis&#8217; John because he&#8217;s unrepentant bastard and once in a while, you see him do what John always does, lament his friends &#8230; and it seems more poignant. He doesn&#8217;t half whinge on a bit about all his dead mates, does our John. (That&#8217;s why I got sick of him.)</p>
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		<title>By: Alternating Reality Bookstore &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Corinthian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alternating Reality Bookstore &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Corinthian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comics You Should Own - Hellblazer #41-50; 52-83 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, love of the columns that you&#039;ve written thus far. Keep&#039;em coming, because I know there can only be better stuff you talk about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, love of the columns that you&#8217;ve written thus far. Keep&#8217;em coming, because I know there can only be better stuff you talk about.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Poehler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Poehler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a kid I dropped Hellblazer after Delano left, thinking there was no point in continuing to pick up the book since no one could possibly handle the character as well.

Whoops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid I dropped Hellblazer after Delano left, thinking there was no point in continuing to pick up the book since no one could possibly handle the character as well.</p>
<p>Whoops.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob T. Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob T. Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was when I started reading Hellblazer.  I knew Constantine from Swamp Thing, but had found Delano&#039;s run too confusing and screeching-preachy and the art too muddy for my teenaged tastes.  By the time Ennis started I was older, and figured I&#039;d try the new jumping-on point.  I continued through his whole run, sometimes only barely (71-75), but consistently.  Then I stayed through Campbell and (most of?) Jenkins, then never picked it up again consistently until Diggle&#039;s run.  

I was about 21 at the time, so maybe that&#039;s part of why it appealed-- but until today I&#039;d had no idea that Ennis was the same age.

The dreary politics I took as being true to character-- it was part of what had turned me off from Delano&#039;s run earlier, but when it all came up again with Ennis I got comfortable with thinking that that&#039;s just part of the Constantine shtick.  It was only when it got transported to America that I reacted by saying, &quot;huh-- Ennis doesn&#039;t have any idea what he&#039;s talking about, and it&#039;s pretty annoying.&quot;

The continuity thing is tricky.  I&#039;m pretty sure it had to be a retcon that Hellblazer&#039;s First wasn&#039;t Lucifer.  Gaiman overturned Hell&#039;s applecart in Season of Mists, and Ennis had to hastily come up with a Satan/ Lucifer distinction.

The Snob (Gabirel) was probably my favorite antagonist of the run, and Ellie my favorite ally.  John&#039;s eventual betrayal of Ellie (was that under Ellis?)  was what led me to drop the book, and I&#039;m pleased Diggle&#039;s moved it into the category of &#039;bygones.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was when I started reading Hellblazer.  I knew Constantine from Swamp Thing, but had found Delano&#8217;s run too confusing and screeching-preachy and the art too muddy for my teenaged tastes.  By the time Ennis started I was older, and figured I&#8217;d try the new jumping-on point.  I continued through his whole run, sometimes only barely (71-75), but consistently.  Then I stayed through Campbell and (most of?) Jenkins, then never picked it up again consistently until Diggle&#8217;s run.  </p>
<p>I was about 21 at the time, so maybe that&#8217;s part of why it appealed&#8211; but until today I&#8217;d had no idea that Ennis was the same age.</p>
<p>The dreary politics I took as being true to character&#8211; it was part of what had turned me off from Delano&#8217;s run earlier, but when it all came up again with Ennis I got comfortable with thinking that that&#8217;s just part of the Constantine shtick.  It was only when it got transported to America that I reacted by saying, &#8220;huh&#8211; Ennis doesn&#8217;t have any idea what he&#8217;s talking about, and it&#8217;s pretty annoying.&#8221;</p>
<p>The continuity thing is tricky.  I&#8217;m pretty sure it had to be a retcon that Hellblazer&#8217;s First wasn&#8217;t Lucifer.  Gaiman overturned Hell&#8217;s applecart in Season of Mists, and Ennis had to hastily come up with a Satan/ Lucifer distinction.</p>
<p>The Snob (Gabirel) was probably my favorite antagonist of the run, and Ellie my favorite ally.  John&#8217;s eventual betrayal of Ellie (was that under Ellis?)  was what led me to drop the book, and I&#8217;m pleased Diggle&#8217;s moved it into the category of &#8216;bygones.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: vincepower</title>
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		<dc:creator>vincepower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always considered that though clearly Ennis is using Hellblazer as his soapbox, they are nonetheless utterly believable beliefs as part of Constantine&#039;s makeup. Much of what he rants about in these issues, and the predictable results of the dangerous underground, hard-drinking, hard-life culture he inhabits - alcoholism and violence with a bucketful of conspiracy theories - are perfect examples of the thoughts of and social circles he moves in during the early 90&#039;s. As did many others of his age with a solid British working-class background who grew up with the heady inventive days of the punk ethic and now found themselves either in dead-end jobs and the more nihilistic world of post-punk or often more frustratingly in ways of life which went totally against their original ethic. Growing up as it happens, and the bliss of youth destroyed. Disillusionment and frustration (the classic Constantime two-fingers and &#039;bo**ocks) attitude is classic.

Wearing your politics on your sleeve may not be desirable, but it&#039;s normal. The political polemic expressed was a definite view of the times, both concerning the Royal Family (this is pre-death of Diana) and the feelings about America and the rest of the world - something that still hasn&#039;t really changed down the years, I&#039;m afraid.

That Ennis was so young seems to be used as both an excuse and a criticism. I&#039;d suggest that being able to see the times in the stories today shows just how mature he was. Personally I reckon the inter-relationship vignettes and &#039;discussions&#039;, and the emotional fall-out, work extremely well. They work because they are utterly plausible snapshots of real life at the time (I&#039;m talking here about the life side - not the supernatural elements, of course). And the juxtaposition of the slightly (ok very) seedy times with the lurking horrors works to highlight both - evil in it&#039;s many forms.

As an aside, I&#039;d be interested to know how many of those who have commented are English - possibly a case of &#039;you had to be there to understand it&#039; - meant in the nicest possible way, not as a criticism.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always considered that though clearly Ennis is using Hellblazer as his soapbox, they are nonetheless utterly believable beliefs as part of Constantine&#8217;s makeup. Much of what he rants about in these issues, and the predictable results of the dangerous underground, hard-drinking, hard-life culture he inhabits &#8211; alcoholism and violence with a bucketful of conspiracy theories &#8211; are perfect examples of the thoughts of and social circles he moves in during the early 90&#8242;s. As did many others of his age with a solid British working-class background who grew up with the heady inventive days of the punk ethic and now found themselves either in dead-end jobs and the more nihilistic world of post-punk or often more frustratingly in ways of life which went totally against their original ethic. Growing up as it happens, and the bliss of youth destroyed. Disillusionment and frustration (the classic Constantime two-fingers and &#8216;bo**ocks) attitude is classic.</p>
<p>Wearing your politics on your sleeve may not be desirable, but it&#8217;s normal. The political polemic expressed was a definite view of the times, both concerning the Royal Family (this is pre-death of Diana) and the feelings about America and the rest of the world &#8211; something that still hasn&#8217;t really changed down the years, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>That Ennis was so young seems to be used as both an excuse and a criticism. I&#8217;d suggest that being able to see the times in the stories today shows just how mature he was. Personally I reckon the inter-relationship vignettes and &#8216;discussions&#8217;, and the emotional fall-out, work extremely well. They work because they are utterly plausible snapshots of real life at the time (I&#8217;m talking here about the life side &#8211; not the supernatural elements, of course). And the juxtaposition of the slightly (ok very) seedy times with the lurking horrors works to highlight both &#8211; evil in it&#8217;s many forms.</p>
<p>As an aside, I&#8217;d be interested to know how many of those who have commented are English &#8211; possibly a case of &#8216;you had to be there to understand it&#8217; &#8211; meant in the nicest possible way, not as a criticism.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Burgas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Burgas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me know, Matt!  My e-mail address should be on the site somewhere (in the &quot;Contact us&quot; section, if I&#039;m not mistaken).

Josh: I felt that way a little bit, too, but I didn&#039;t want to get into it and make the post even longer.  It seems like a lot of writers - not just Ennis - do that when they leave a title.  They bring in all these new people and then kill them off or make it impossible, somehow, for a new writer to use them.  I think it&#039;s probably something to do with the fact that they&#039;re either not allowed to kill of any main characters or, if they do kill them, the company will just bring them back.  So they kill off their own creations, and usually nobody wants anything to do with them again.  But I agree that it was a bit depressing to see the swath Satan cut through John&#039;s friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me know, Matt!  My e-mail address should be on the site somewhere (in the &#8220;Contact us&#8221; section, if I&#8217;m not mistaken).</p>
<p>Josh: I felt that way a little bit, too, but I didn&#8217;t want to get into it and make the post even longer.  It seems like a lot of writers &#8211; not just Ennis &#8211; do that when they leave a title.  They bring in all these new people and then kill them off or make it impossible, somehow, for a new writer to use them.  I think it&#8217;s probably something to do with the fact that they&#8217;re either not allowed to kill of any main characters or, if they do kill them, the company will just bring them back.  So they kill off their own creations, and usually nobody wants anything to do with them again.  But I agree that it was a bit depressing to see the swath Satan cut through John&#8217;s friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have all of Ennis&#039; run and it&#039;s where I first got interested in the character.  (I stopped years ago because I simply got bored with it, but that&#039;s another story.)  And I tend to agree with the overall assessment made of the complete work done here.

However, I do recall one thing at the end of Ennis&#039; run that I thought at the time and part of me still thinks to this day with the death of Header, Rick, etc.  &quot;Great.  Here&#039;s another writer killing off a bunch of characters they created so that no one else can use them/will screw them up.&quot;  Ennis had built up the world around Constantine so he wasn&#039;t just this amoral wandering interfering pain in the ass, but had his own environment and history with real relationships and depth.  And then he slaughtered it all away.  I get the concept of &quot;Constantine goes alone, leaves his friends to die, etc.&quot;, but in this case it read to me like the actions of a selfish writer who didn&#039;t want anyone else playing with his toys.  The deaths didn&#039;t seem necessary to the story that was being told 9at least that was my impression at the time), but was just a clearing of the slate in the big climatic storyline before the next guy took over.

I did really like the vicious manipulator Constantine that Ennis did with Brendan&#039;s salvation and Constantine&#039;s &quot;fix&quot; for his cancer.  Nasty as hell and a good story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have all of Ennis&#8217; run and it&#8217;s where I first got interested in the character.  (I stopped years ago because I simply got bored with it, but that&#8217;s another story.)  And I tend to agree with the overall assessment made of the complete work done here.</p>
<p>However, I do recall one thing at the end of Ennis&#8217; run that I thought at the time and part of me still thinks to this day with the death of Header, Rick, etc.  &#8220;Great.  Here&#8217;s another writer killing off a bunch of characters they created so that no one else can use them/will screw them up.&#8221;  Ennis had built up the world around Constantine so he wasn&#8217;t just this amoral wandering interfering pain in the ass, but had his own environment and history with real relationships and depth.  And then he slaughtered it all away.  I get the concept of &#8220;Constantine goes alone, leaves his friends to die, etc.&#8221;, but in this case it read to me like the actions of a selfish writer who didn&#8217;t want anyone else playing with his toys.  The deaths didn&#8217;t seem necessary to the story that was being told 9at least that was my impression at the time), but was just a clearing of the slate in the big climatic storyline before the next guy took over.</p>
<p>I did really like the vicious manipulator Constantine that Ennis did with Brendan&#8217;s salvation and Constantine&#8217;s &#8220;fix&#8221; for his cancer.  Nasty as hell and a good story.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Lazorwitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Lazorwitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might be able to help you there, Greg.  It&#039;s in the &quot;Rake at the Gates of Hell&quot; trade, which I own, and I think I still have the single.  I&#039;d be more then willing to work somehting out to get you the copy.  I just need to make sure I can find it in the ol&#039; collection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be able to help you there, Greg.  It&#8217;s in the &#8220;Rake at the Gates of Hell&#8221; trade, which I own, and I think I still have the single.  I&#8217;d be more then willing to work somehting out to get you the copy.  I just need to make sure I can find it in the ol&#8217; collection.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Heartland is awesome!</description>
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		<title>By: Greg Burgas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Burgas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m ashamed to say, Matthew, that I don&#039;t own the &quot;Heartland&quot; special.  I&#039;ve looked for it, but haven&#039;t found it.  Maybe I&#039;ll find it at San Diego this year - it&#039;s on my list!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m ashamed to say, Matthew, that I don&#8217;t own the &#8220;Heartland&#8221; special.  I&#8217;ve looked for it, but haven&#8217;t found it.  Maybe I&#8217;ll find it at San Diego this year &#8211; it&#8217;s on my list!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Lazorwitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Lazorwitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent essay, Greg.  I agree with just about everything you say there.  I read these in trade, so I read the middle chunk that was just collected out of order, as I had to track them down in single issue form, and this makes me want to go back and read all of it in order to see the build better.

Out of curiosity, was there a reason you didn&#039;t mention the &quot;Heartland&quot; special, the follow up to the classic issue you mentioned a couple times?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent essay, Greg.  I agree with just about everything you say there.  I read these in trade, so I read the middle chunk that was just collected out of order, as I had to track them down in single issue form, and this makes me want to go back and read all of it in order to see the build better.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, was there a reason you didn&#8217;t mention the &#8220;Heartland&#8221; special, the follow up to the classic issue you mentioned a couple times?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Holland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very recently re-read this run, and now that you mention Ennis was 21 at the time? The tone makes a lot more sense. This is a young man&#039;s response to an unfair world. That his anger by &quot;Rake of the Gates of Hell&quot; hasn&#039;t cooled, only matured is interesting when you take the writer&#039;s maturation into account, too. 

But what I enjoy most about it is the exploration of John&#039;s addictive personality and inability (not refusal) to change. It made him a much more nuanced character, which I found I missed in later runs by Azzarrello and Diggle (Cary&#039;s run was good, but lost focus and went on about a year too long).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very recently re-read this run, and now that you mention Ennis was 21 at the time? The tone makes a lot more sense. This is a young man&#8217;s response to an unfair world. That his anger by &#8220;Rake of the Gates of Hell&#8221; hasn&#8217;t cooled, only matured is interesting when you take the writer&#8217;s maturation into account, too. </p>
<p>But what I enjoy most about it is the exploration of John&#8217;s addictive personality and inability (not refusal) to change. It made him a much more nuanced character, which I found I missed in later runs by Azzarrello and Diggle (Cary&#8217;s run was good, but lost focus and went on about a year too long).</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Burgas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Burgas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom: That&#039;s so removed from the original run that I figured I&#039;d skip it.  It&#039;s a decent horror story, but isn&#039;t part of &quot;Ennis&#039;s run,&quot; so I left it out.  Plus, it&#039;s not as good as these are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom: That&#8217;s so removed from the original run that I figured I&#8217;d skip it.  It&#8217;s a decent horror story, but isn&#8217;t part of &#8220;Ennis&#8217;s run,&#8221; so I left it out.  Plus, it&#8217;s not as good as these are!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Fitzpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Fitzpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious, how come you didn&#039;t include &quot;Son of Man&quot; run by Ennis &amp; Higgins re: Hellblazer # 129-133?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious, how come you didn&#8217;t include &#8220;Son of Man&#8221; run by Ennis &amp; Higgins re: Hellblazer # 129-133?</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, bad things kept happening to John&#039;s friends even in Ennis&#039;s run, but I&#039;m not sure I see it as entirely John&#039;s fault. I tend to find it more tragic than disturbing. If anything, my sympathy for him is greater, because he inhabits a very gray, very f*ked-up world, with no easy solutions. It&#039;s not just that John is an asshole and because he is an asshole things keep getting screwed-up around him. It&#039;s more that John&#039;s WORLD is a very dark one, and even someone with more skill and drive and compassion than usual will only be able to do so much, and will fall very short from being a &quot;hero&quot;. But he still tries.

But okay, it&#039;s been many years since I&#039;ve read it too, maybe I should take a look at it again. Still, I believe John only looks bad when you compare him to your more ordinary comic book hero. When you start with the assumption that John is only a guy, and that his world is a pretty complicated one, I think Ennis&#039;s version is pretty admirable, flaws and all.

I&#039;d even give Ennis credit. After Hellblazer, all his stories tend to have protagonists that are just too perfect in their own bad-ass way. Jesse Custer, Hitman, the Boys, they&#039;re all sort of the moral authorities of their worlds. Even Hitman, being... well, a Hitman, is the guy that is always right and always cool. I think it&#039;s great that John Constantine wasn&#039;t always right and always cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, bad things kept happening to John&#8217;s friends even in Ennis&#8217;s run, but I&#8217;m not sure I see it as entirely John&#8217;s fault. I tend to find it more tragic than disturbing. If anything, my sympathy for him is greater, because he inhabits a very gray, very f*ked-up world, with no easy solutions. It&#8217;s not just that John is an asshole and because he is an asshole things keep getting screwed-up around him. It&#8217;s more that John&#8217;s WORLD is a very dark one, and even someone with more skill and drive and compassion than usual will only be able to do so much, and will fall very short from being a &#8220;hero&#8221;. But he still tries.</p>
<p>But okay, it&#8217;s been many years since I&#8217;ve read it too, maybe I should take a look at it again. Still, I believe John only looks bad when you compare him to your more ordinary comic book hero. When you start with the assumption that John is only a guy, and that his world is a pretty complicated one, I think Ennis&#8217;s version is pretty admirable, flaws and all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d even give Ennis credit. After Hellblazer, all his stories tend to have protagonists that are just too perfect in their own bad-ass way. Jesse Custer, Hitman, the Boys, they&#8217;re all sort of the moral authorities of their worlds. Even Hitman, being&#8230; well, a Hitman, is the guy that is always right and always cool. I think it&#8217;s great that John Constantine wasn&#8217;t always right and always cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Burgas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Burgas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rene: I think part of what Ennis is doing is deliberate - he&#039;s writing John as sympathetic (and I agree, he&#039;s more sympathetic than previously), but John isn&#039;t very good at NOT being a bastard.  I don&#039;t know if Ennis was trying to highlight this problem with John&#039;s personality or if it&#039;s a problem with his writing skills, but as John tries harder to be less of a jerk, he often acts more and more immature.  Of course, all this might be just the way I see it.

I would recommend you read it again, because it was interesting for me to revisit it after probably eight years or so.  Maybe in eight more years I&#039;ll view it completely differently!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rene: I think part of what Ennis is doing is deliberate &#8211; he&#8217;s writing John as sympathetic (and I agree, he&#8217;s more sympathetic than previously), but John isn&#8217;t very good at NOT being a bastard.  I don&#8217;t know if Ennis was trying to highlight this problem with John&#8217;s personality or if it&#8217;s a problem with his writing skills, but as John tries harder to be less of a jerk, he often acts more and more immature.  Of course, all this might be just the way I see it.</p>
<p>I would recommend you read it again, because it was interesting for me to revisit it after probably eight years or so.  Maybe in eight more years I&#8217;ll view it completely differently!</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to read this again, because I just didn&#039;t see what you&#039;re saying, Greg. I didn&#039;t find John &quot;ridiculous&quot; or unsympathetic in Ennis&#039;s run. I thought it was one of the few times when John was actually very sympathetic (as opposed to the Delano run, when John was portrayed as a real bastard).

It&#039;s probably my favorite of Ennis&#039;s works, maybe because it&#039;s less caricatural and less macho than his other stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to read this again, because I just didn&#8217;t see what you&#8217;re saying, Greg. I didn&#8217;t find John &#8220;ridiculous&#8221; or unsympathetic in Ennis&#8217;s run. I thought it was one of the few times when John was actually very sympathetic (as opposed to the Delano run, when John was portrayed as a real bastard).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably my favorite of Ennis&#8217;s works, maybe because it&#8217;s less caricatural and less macho than his other stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Horsebandit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horsebandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good essay. I love examining good-but-not-great runs to see where they went right, and where they went right, and where they went wrong.

A point that I&#039;ve often heard, and agree with somewhat, is that many Vertigo books, especially in its earlier years, were written a lot like they they were going for an Alan Moore style. I found this to be especially true for most Constantine stories. It makes sense, since John first appeared in Moore&#039;s Swamp Thing. Still, it is annoyingly obvious at times. Ennis probably did it less than most writers, and is one of the reasons his run stands out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good essay. I love examining good-but-not-great runs to see where they went right, and where they went right, and where they went wrong.</p>
<p>A point that I&#8217;ve often heard, and agree with somewhat, is that many Vertigo books, especially in its earlier years, were written a lot like they they were going for an Alan Moore style. I found this to be especially true for most Constantine stories. It makes sense, since John first appeared in Moore&#8217;s Swamp Thing. Still, it is annoyingly obvious at times. Ennis probably did it less than most writers, and is one of the reasons his run stands out.</p>
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