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Confessions of a comic book nerd
- by Greg Burgas
- in General
Okay, this has little to do with comics, so I'm not sure if it's appropriate for the blog, and it's bound to get ugly, but that's just the way it is. Let's delve into the darkness!
I have mentioned a few times on this blog that the first comic I ever bought was Batman #426, the first of the four-part "Death in the Family" storyline. This was in autumn 1988, when I was 17 years old. I had read comics before, but never in great quantity. I hope I've made up for the lack of comic-book geekery in the first 17 years of my life with a good deal of comic-book geekery in the last 20 years. With that in mind ...
I have never watched an episode of Dr. Who, nor do I have any intention of doing so. Therefore, "Dalek" jokes and references go so far over my head I can barely see them.
I have never watched an episode of Battlestar Galactica. Well, the new series. I watched one or two of the old series.
I have never watched a full episode of Star Trek. Any of the iterations. I've seen the first four movies, but none of the others. (I have seen, however, Free Enterprise, which is frickin' hilarious and features the Shat rapping Shakespeare. It's brilliant.)
I have never watched a full episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I've probably watched more of the movie than any of the series.
From 1975 to 1979, I lived in Liederbach, West Germany, therefore missing most of the formative pop culture experiences of the 1970s. I was never a fan of The Six Million Dollar Man, Wonder Woman, The Incredible Hulk, the aforementioned Battlestar Galactica, or any other television show of the mid-1970s you can name. We had a television, but German television back then didn't feature much from the States. The first television show I watched with any regularity was The Dukes of Hazzard in 1979. Can you blame me?

I have an inordinate love for Manimal. That's right, bitches, Manimal. Where's my DVD collection?
I have an inordinate love for Double Rush. That's right, bitches, Double Rush.
One of the great tragedies of American television comedy is that It's Like, You Know ... never found a bigger audience.
I got into science fiction when I was about 9 or 10. I started reading Arthur C. Clarke and still consider him the best sci-fi writer of all time. The Fountains of Paradise is my favorite Clarke novel, and "The Nine Billion Names of God" and "The Star" are two of my favorite short stories ever.

I discovered Orson Scott Card around 1983 or so. He remains one of my favorite sci-fi/fantasy writers. Yes, I'm aware of his politics. But that doesn't bother me too much. I met Card briefly at the World Trade Center in 1986. He seemed nice.
I have never read any book that features Thomas Covenant.
I have never read Dune or any of its sequels. A few years ago I tried, got about 100 pages in, and abandoned it. It was just so boring. It's odd, as I really like Herbert's The White Plague, The Dosadi Experiment, The Jesus Incident, and The Lazarus Effect.
I have never read anything by Isaac Asimov.
I'm not a huge fan of Robert Heinlein.
In the mid-1980s, another author I read ravenously was Robert Ludlum. The Gemini Contenders is his best book. Why that hasn't been made into a movie is beyond me.
I have never played video games with any kind of enthusiasm, and never will. I had an Intellivision when I was 10 or so, but I have no idea if I bugged my parents to get it or if they just got it because they thought I'd like it. I played it a bit, but never really got into it.
Or role-playing games. I have never played Dungeons and Dragons, for instance. The closest I've come is Risk.
The first album I ever bought with my own money was Genesis by, surprisingly enough, Genesis. That was in 1983. Prior to that I just listened to whatever my parents or my sister had. My parents, who are remarkably uncool in their musical tastes (they graduated from college in 1964, just before rock and roll got good), actually do have a first edition of The White Album (I guess its official name is The Beatles, but what the hell). I used to listen to that, while my sister had the Grease soundtrack (I can still sing along to most of it), the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, and The Grand Illusion and Paradise Theater by Styx. When I started wanting my own music, around 1982/83, the first two albums I got from my mom were Pac-Man Fever by Buckner and Garcia (yes, the entire LP) and Cargo by Men at Work. "Dr. Heckyll & Mr. Jive" and "No Sign of Yesterday" remain my two favorite Men at Work songs.

I saw Star Wars exactly once in a movie theater. It was in Austria (or possibly Switzerland), and it was dubbed into German with English subtitles.
I didn't see Jaws until the late 1990s.
My favorite cartoons when I was growing up were, in order: Star Blazers, Transformers, Battle of the Planets, Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, G. I. Joe, Super Friends, Jonny Quest, Thundercats, The Mighty Heroes, Courageous Cat and Minute Mouse, and Secret Squirrel. Obviously, I watched some of these when I was young and some when I got a bit older, but that's the order I would put them in for general fondness at any particular point in my life.

I watch very few cartoons these days (I still watch The Simpsons, mostly out of habit). The words "Robot" and "Chicken," when placed together, have no significance for me.
I do not watch South Park.
Or Family Guy. I wish Seth MacFarlane had decided to become a monk at an early age and spared the world his creation.
When I was younger, I read a lot about dinosaurs and sharks. I don't know as much as I used to, but I can still get through a discussion about them without making a complete fool of myself.
I read a lot of history books and sports books in my youth (I still do). Therefore, I am full of arcane knowledge. I can:
Name every English monarch and their regnal dates from the Conquest (William I, 1066-1087) to the Glorious Revolution (James II, 1685-1688). After that, I can get most of the rulers, but the dates get fuzzy.
Name most of the pre-Conquest rulers from Alfred the Great (871-899) to Harold Godwinson (a few months in 1066).
Name the Roman Emperors and their regnal dates from Augustus (27 B.C.-A.D. 14) to Septimius Severus (193-211) (okay, I often forget the three emperors in 69, but come on - Galba, Otho, and Vitellius don't really count, do they?).
Name almost every World Series winner (the early 1960s are a bit fuzzy).
Name every Super Bowl winner.
Name the last player to hit .400 (Ted Williams, .406 in 1941), the last American League Triple Crown winner (Carl Yastrzemski, Boston, 1967) and the last National League Triple Crown winner (Joe Medwick, St. Louis, 1937), the last 30-game winner (Denny McClain, Detroit, 1968), and I know Bob Gibson's ERA in 1968 (1.12).
In the past year, the books I've liked the most are: Nanjing 1937: A Love Story by Ye Zhaoyan, Pontius Pilate by Ann Wroe, Krakatoa: The Day the World Exploded, August 27, 1883 by Simon Winchester, Love and Death in Katmandu: A Strange Tale of Royal Murder by Amy Willesee and Mark Whittaker, Breaker Boys: The NFL's Greatest Team and the Stolen 1925 Championship by David FLeming, From Jesus to Christianity: How Four Generations of Visionaries & Storytellers Created the New Testament and Christian Faith by L. Michael White, Assassination Vacation by Sarah Vowell, and Crusader Nation: The United States in Peace and the Great War, 1898-1920 by David Traxel. (Yes, those are links to my own blog. It's shameless self-promotion!)
The point of all this is to highlight some of the ways comic books nerds are different and the same. Greg Hatcher's column about kids last week kind of inspired me, as he talked about things that really grabbed you when you were a kid and made you a fan. It got me thinking about the various comic book blogs I read and how monolithic they often make the fan base sound. This is a problem with any group of fans - just because I read comic books doesn't mean I like, say, Dr. Who. People like to pigeonhole fans of a certain thing, and although it's not terribly original to complain about it, I still get bothered by it. It's getting better, I think, mostly because of the movies that are being made from comic book properties, but it's still a prevalent attitude, that if you read comic books, you must be some kind of science-fiction-loving role-playing cartoon-watching arrested adolescent. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but sometimes that's comfortable.
So let your voices be heard! What non-stereotypically comic-book nerd things do you love (opera, watching tennis, shooting small animals)? And what stereotypically comic-book nerds things do you absolutely abhor? Don't be shy!
- Posted on July 10, 2008 @ 10:25 AM






79 Comments
buttler
July 10, 2008 at 10:38 am
Hey, I loved Manimal at the time. Also Enos and The Brady Brides.
My favorite thing about Manimal, which I noticed even as a kid, was that he could supposedly change into all these animals, but they only had the budget for about two morphing sequences, which they used over and over again. So there was a whole lot of hawk and big cat action.
J,W
July 10, 2008 at 11:30 am
It was nice to see someone else not obess with all Sci-Fi nerd things. I don't like Star Wars, Stark Trek, and didn't even hear of Dune until 2003. The only thing I like about D&D was the cool shape DICE. Being a teenager in 1990's I never like Space Ghost, Mystery Science 3000, or Magic the gathering. I stop playing video games around age 14. I don't read Harry Potter or Lord Of The Rings. I found both books and movies quite boring.
What I did like was Soap Operas, MTV, Pop/Dance/Rock Music, NIghtclubs, I love history and pyschology. I got a B.F.A in Theater with a focus in playwriting. I love campy movies/or art indie movies.
Adam Jones
July 10, 2008 at 11:31 am
Greg,
I can relate to absolutly everything you wrote there. Some how, since I read comics (and granted, know a lot about them), I am King Dork and every dorky question that needs answering is asked of me.
Buffy? No clue.
Dr. Who? Next.
Star Trek? Boring.
Star Wars? Lame
Star Search? Absolutly.
It does get a little insulting. When friends buy me birthday gifts they think they can just give me something that would probably get me stuffed in a locker were I still in high school and I'd love it. Hell, someone bought me a Back to the Future Delorean model despite the fact that I've never given any indication that I've even seen that movie. No, far be it for them to realize/ask me if I love fine wine, Bacchi Ball, The New Jersey Devils. Hell, I have enough instances of music snobbery/greatness for people to think that that's my obsession.
And what do I hate about fanism? It appears to me that enthusiasts in our hobby seem to take the worst care of themselvs in comparison to other hobbies. I'm not saying we need to be bastions of physical fitness, but a little pride in our appearence would go a long way to shattering some negative sterotypes.
ticknart
July 10, 2008 at 11:31 am
First of all, you are right on the money about It's Like, You Know..., one of the funniest sit-coms made. Really sucked how ABC axed this show and Sports Night at the same time.
My biggest "non-stereotypically comic-book nerd thing" I love are musicals. Can't get enough of them. From live theater versions to the, sometimes chopped-up and rearranged, ones that appear on screen to the made for the movie theater originals that are more about dancing than good songs to the random musical episodes or numbers that appear on TV shows, I can't get enough of them. (Best reason to watch Family Guy is for all the musical references the show makes.)
I never liked Battle of the Planets or G-Force or Gatchaman or what ever you want to call it and I can't stand the Macross and Ghost in the Shell movies.
Dan Bailey
July 10, 2008 at 11:51 am
Stereotype-defying stuff? OK, let's see ... Never played a computer or video game in my life &, at this late date, most likely never will. Ditto with any RPG stuff.
I watch an average of 5 to 6 movies a week on average (I may not subscribe to cable or satellite or whatever, which means I don't get a TV signal anymore, but I *do* subscribe to Netflix & Blockbuster) -- almost all horror -- but can count the number of comics-based movies I've seen on one hand. I just don't find the prospect remotely interesting.
What else ... big baseball fan, at least as manifested in fantasy baseball. I'm also obsessed with defunct rebel sports leagues -- the American Basketball Association (especially), World Hockey League, World Football League, U.S. Football League ... heck, all the way back to baseball's Federal League back before World War I.
You made it 100 pages into Dune? Good man. I bailed out after about 25, myself. My own personal gods of fiction would be Philip K. Dick & H.P. Lovecraft, though I'm pretty well-read in most sf & horror authors of note through, say, at least the '70s.
No interest in Star Trek after the first series. Haven't seen a Star Wars flick since the first 2, back in the late '70s. No interest in Battlestar Galactica or anything of that ilk. No interest in Doctor Who.
During my 25 years or so away from comics (circa '79-'03) I filled the void somewhat by immersing myself in punk & postpunk, but judging from the music I occasionally hear in LCSes that may not be particularly unusual.
I also know more than most rational people would about such subjects as the paranormal & radical politics, but again, I"m not sure those apply to affirming *or* defying any fannish stereotypes ...
Ian A.
July 10, 2008 at 11:52 am
I can't believe anyone else watched, let alone enjoyed, It's Like, You Know.... You really can find anything (or anyone) on the internet.
I was stoked when Chris Eigeman joined the cast of Gilmore Girls.
Birmy
July 10, 2008 at 11:59 am
Ah, yes, ol' Jason "Digger" Styles. Lorelei really screwed him over, didn't she? I mean, not as bas as when she jilted Max, but still...
I MEAN--I've never seen that show.
Scavenger
July 10, 2008 at 12:08 pm
The biggest problem with It's Like, You Know was the comma. People just couldn't deal with it and how to pronounce the name of the show.
And I proudly embrace any stereotypes I might fit. If your friends give you something they think you might like, but you take it as an insult, maybe your friends don't know you very well.
Richard
July 10, 2008 at 12:11 pm
It's funny... I always thought that I was the only comic geek who didn't regularly watch Battlestar Galactics, Star Trek (in its various incarnations) or Doctor Who. Happy to see that I'm not alone.
I think it's great that you've got all that sports knowledge. As a kid, the stereotype was that comic geeks got picked on by the sports "geeks" (who of course weren't called geeks back then... being called a geek wasn't cool like it is now). I always felt that the encyclopedic knowledge of comic geeks wasn't unlike the encyclopedic knowledge of sports geeks (or for that fact, history buffs, movie fans, wine connoisseurs, etc), it's just that having a vast knowledge of comic books wasn't as socially acceptable as knowing lots and lots about sports or movies.
My first album purchase, by the way, I believe was either the Peter Criss solo album, or a Billy Joel album. Don't ask me why, out of the four members of KISS, I chose Peter Criss. I can't even say that I ever really liked KISS... I think I just loved their comic book-y look with their make-up and talk of space aliens and demons and such.
Thok
July 10, 2008 at 12:25 pm
You've never read any Asimov? Do yourself a favor and read Nightfall, (the short story and not the extended novel), which has a lot of similarities to the two Clarke short stories you've mentioned liking. (Other stuff of his you probably wouldn't like: if you dislike Dune then most of Foundation will also bore you.)
Card can be hit or miss for me: I like most of the original Ender's Game series and the Worthing Saga, but I find Ender's Shadow to be a mediocre pastiche of Ender's Game. Ursula K Le Guin is in my mind an obvious predecessor to Card and I've read most of Earthsea and much of her SF (among other things, Guin is where Card gets the word ansible from.)
Da Fug
July 10, 2008 at 12:30 pm
What non-stereotypically comic-book nerd things do you love:
Nature (mostly birding).
What stereotypically comic-book nerds things do you absolutely abhor:
Abhor is a pretty strong word for it but I'll go with some of yours. Saw maybe one episode of Buffy and thought it was typical television. Saw maybe a few episodes of Family Guy in the first season and didn't think it was funny. Fell asleep during any episode of Dr. Who I attempted to watch. Saw bits and pieces of Babylon 5 but could never get into it. Never saw Firefly. Rarely read fiction novels of any kind (excluding graphic novels of course). I've never had cable and haven't owned a television in almost 10 years.
Although, now that I think about it, the two biggest, stereotypical, comic-book nerd things that I abhor are collections (though I still have yet to get rid of 15 long boxes worth of comics, they haven't been getting any bigger in quite a while) and the overt consumerism mentality in general.
Brian
July 10, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I loved It's Like, You Know..., and I'm very happy to find fellow fans on this site. And thanks for the Gilmore Girls reference, too. I do love Buffy and Star Wars, have a fondness (if not a super-love) for Star Trek and played my share of atari as a kid (although I don't play video games now). However, I share your dislike of Seth McFarlane, your indifference to Dr. Who, and your love of the super bowl (although basketball is more my sport). And to ticknart, I share your adoration of musicals-- stage, film and otherwise (stephen sondheim is a god), and that that's probably introduces a whole different kind of fannish obsession into the discussion.
Master of Soup
July 10, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Yes i don't kno whow many parties i was at and a joke about d&d and me was made. I have never and will never play any games like that. And the best part most of the joke makers loved Buffy, star trek wars and all that brain numbing junk.
I love:
comics
Baseball, hockey the cfl (not the boring nfl style of 2 yard gains at a time)
Canadian produced tv - DaVinci's Inquest - one if the best shows ever!!
Having sex with my wife (how that for being a geek)
Plus i hate all the super movies, every 1 goes to see them and expects me to explain them to them. But the plot/origin/characters have all been changed so much even i don't how what they are
Dan Bailey
July 10, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Despite my lack enthusiasm for lots of (most?) genre TV, I *will* speak up for Buffy. Excellent show.
jaythe1letterwonder
July 10, 2008 at 1:30 pm
The only times I ever watched Buffy was when I was at a friend's house and they were all about Buffy.Because of this I have seen two or three episodes.But,I liked the movie better. Like you, Greg I don't have any love for Dr.Who. I'm a fan of Hockey and English Soccer. I also enjoy pretty much anything that involves social interaction
Dan Bailey
July 10, 2008 at 1:32 pm
I think I'm more of an antisocial interaction kind of guy ...
verge
July 10, 2008 at 1:35 pm
I really know how this feels. While I've read a good bit of sci-fi stuff, I know absolutely nothing about:
Dr. Who
Battlestar Galactica
Buffy
Most of Star Trek
D & D
I do have a lot of Star Wars stuff and got heavy into comics after high school, along with Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. But I like a lot of different nerdy stuff I like:
English literature
American Founding Fathers and Revolutionary history
British Hammer Studios Horror Films
Peanuts
The Muppets
Classical Music
Baseball
The Beatles
Also, It's Like, You Know was a really good show, and I'm very glad I'm not the only one who misses it.
And, I really dislike Family Guy. When it first started, it was awesome for about five minutes, then it was over.
Annoyed Grunt
July 10, 2008 at 1:40 pm
I'm a dumpy, geeky looking guy with glasses but I absolutely love me some death metal.
I'll jump on the band wagon and say that I don't get Buffy or Angel at all (though Firefly was decent enough).
Greg Manuel
July 10, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Hmmm, what can I contribute here...
When it comes to Star Trek, I only cared about the Next Generation crew. I only gave ENTERPRISE a chance because of Scott Bakula.
Which brings me to: I absolutely LOVED Quantum Leap
Couldn't tell you a THING about Dr. Who
I am firmy of the opinion that Jeremy Brett was the best Sherlock Holmes of all time.
Ricky Steamboat, Sting and Bret Hart are my favorite wrestlers ever. I find Ric Flair to be highly overrated, and I have just about no respect at all for Shawn Michaels or HHH.
I am convinced that, at any given time, there is always a song playing in a person's head, no matter when the occasion may be or who the person is.
Intellectual History was my favorite subject in college, which birthed in me a deep fascination in the Victorian Era.
I can find no problems with the Star Wars prequels, and will gladly debate anyone on the topic.
I have a list of songs that I wish were performed as musical numbers on The Muppet Show. There's a lot of Zeppelin on that list...
I'm currently working on a comic series called "Alleycat 2.0," which is essentially "Courageous Cat" meets "Batman Beyond." Almost every major character will be an homage to a cartoon character of SOME kind.
I was born in 1979, and often wish I could've seen the 60s.
I'm of the personal opinion that Hip Hop's best period was from 1988 to 1993.
Any time I see a baseball field, I want to play a game.
I wish more movies were made of the Easy Rawlins mysteries.
Spanish Castle Magic
July 10, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Great post!
While I do like playing about with computers (and making comics, natch!), I'm not the stereotypical geek. I never got into Star Wars (or action figures for that matter). Don't like Firefly. Don't watch Battlestar Galactica, Don't watch Buffy.
Give me The Office any day!
Never really got into reading science fiction. Don't see what the hype is about Harry Potter. Read the first book, which bored me completely.
I love mountain biking.
As for music, I'm a huge Hendrix fan.
How's that for shattering the conventional geek stereotype?
Cass
July 10, 2008 at 2:14 pm
@AnnoyedGrunt: I think death metal is standard fair for comic "nerds"
I love gambling and I hate Sci Fi Channel and every single of its programs (except Twilight Zone).
John Cage
July 10, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I'm a comic collector and have all of my action figures on display (behind glass, for that touch that says "these action figures are classy"), but I am not a fan of science fiction at all. I've seen and enjoyed most of the Star Wars movies -- I've seen the originals made two or three times each -- and I've seen two or three dozen Star Trek: The Next Generations, but I'm just not into it at all. Watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer and enjoyed it, but haven't seen the episodes since they first aired and question how well they'll hold up down the line. Never seen Dr. Who, haven't seen Battlestar Galactica (although a friend who isn't into to comics or science fiction raves about it), I like animation but I'm not so overblown with nostalgia that I'm willing to buy a copy of a show I used to watch just because it's on DVD when it's just not that good. I've never played a role playing game, never played card games, have played and enjoyed video games, but prefer simpler or classic Super Mario-type games to first person shooters. I've never worn a T-Shirt with a comic book character on it and have never dressed up as a character except on halloween (I got a Spider-Man suit for a costume party a few years back and have worn it every year since to hand out candy).
I like comics and getting action figures but that's as far as my nerd-ish leanings go. Don't know if I've ever had someone know about my interests and start asking me about a sci-fi program though. It's probably happened at some point though.
Have a good day.
John Cage
joshschr
July 10, 2008 at 2:34 pm
I like Into the Woods and Moulin Rouge. I wish I could sing like Ewan McGregor. I try often.
Liked the original Dune novels, although there were certainly some dry spots in it (no pun intended), and I drew the line at the ones Herbert(sp.)'s son wrote.
Magic:TG nerds are the nerds that comic book nerds make fun of. Tried but can't get into Buffy or Angel
And hear me out: if you think you should like the new Dr. Who, but just don't, watch "The Empty Child", "Blink", or "The Girl in the Fireplace". Or do what I'd do if someone suggested some good Buffy eps and just ignore it.
Couldn't get into Battle of the Planets, but remember Voltron lovingly.
Matt Lazorwitz
July 10, 2008 at 2:54 pm
I love theatre in general. My father was a professional actor in his youth, and his passion passed on to me. I especially love Shakespeare. My degree is in English Lit with a focus on Shakespearean studies, and I can quote from just about any of his canon (except Henry VIII. That one sucks). But I'm not just a Shakespeare buff. Eugene O'Neill, Tom Stoppard, Tennessee Williams, Christopher Marlowe, and Stephen Sondheim all take up places on my shelves.
I happen to be a history buff when it comes to both Elizabethan and Victorian England, as well as Revolutionary Era America. Greg, that thing about the English Monarchs is awesome. I'd love to be able to do that, but I'm only at about the reign of Henry VIII to present, with the War of the Roses era ion my head mostly due to the Shakespeare.
As for geek things, well I have no head for computers. I mean I check the internet and such, but I couldn't fix one to save my life, don't know much about them. And I rarely play video games. Sometimes I'll get hooked into one, but I haven't owned a video game system since a Sega Genesis, and don't really feel any gap in my life.
As for geeky literature that I have been told I should like and don't, I abhor HP Lovecraft. Yes Neil Gaiman and Stephen King (two common geek authors who I love) love him, and you'd think my taste would run to that, but it doesn't. The man had a tin ear for dialogue and his over verbiage makes me want to starngle people.
Bill Reed
July 10, 2008 at 2:56 pm
I can tell you're not a Doctor Who fan because you abbreviate it to "Dr," which, as I found out when I started watching the show, is apparently a sin. But it's good, I like it.
As for Buffy, everyone knows my opinion by now. Buffy is the formative television of my life. I worship at the altar of Whedon (and I still didn't like AXM. Go figure.)
Anyway, my confessions/comments:
I'm a huge fan of Shatner, but dislike Star Trek in all its forms. (Heck, Free Enterprise wasn't even that good, but I was probably soured by a friend of mine's relentless hyping of it. The Shakespeare rap bit is the best bit, though.)
*Screw* "It's Like, You Know...". "Two Guys, a Girl, and a Pizza Place" was the best traditional sitcom of the last 25 years. An untested Ryan Reynolds showed the world his comic genius. It also introduced the world to Nathan Fillion. They weren't ready yet. Will they ever be?
I never even heard of this Thomas Covenant before you mentioned it, so I don't know what the big deal is about that one.
Intellivision! Lovely. I've got one, and about a hundred games for it. It was the Atari's bastard cousin, but I liked it. I have never owned a console made by Nintendo, however. (Sega Genesis is where it's at, yo.)
I have never read anything by Heinlein, or Card, or Clarke, but I'll probably read my first Asimov in a week or two.
I couldn't get further into Tolkein than the first musical interlude in the Hobbit, and I absolutely despise the movies.
I like Family Guy. It seems to get a lot of hate on the internet, but everyone I've ever met in person thinks it's awesome. And it is, though it's not as good as it was before it got canceled the second time.
I skimmed your section on history and sports because the two subjects bore me than almost anything else in the world. Sorry.
What non-stereotypically comic-book nerd things do you love?
.... Uh oh.
And what stereotypically comic-book nerds things do you absolutely abhor? Don’t be shy!
Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Lost, Lord of the Rings, any standard sci-fi or fantasy, really. I like whimsy in my nerdy adventure.
Also: D&D. It's just about the lowliest form of nerdism. Some of my friends play it. I don't even understand it.
Chris Simpson
July 10, 2008 at 3:07 pm
I guess what the above goes to prove is that the only thing that we all agree with on this site is that we love great comics.
Of course, we can't agree on what a great comic is! There's going to be someone out there who doesn't like Watchmen, The Dark Knight, Sandman etc. But we love arguing the toss.
For my part, I actually love a great deal of what's been cited as typical nerd faire - Star Wars, Buffy, Battlestar etc. However, I have other interests as well. Hopefully, that makes me more of an interesting person.
I consider a nerd as someone who not only has an extensive knowledge of the subject/hobby but and talks about it insessantly. Thus they are boring which is what people really mean by calling someone a nerd.
Aaron Poehler
July 10, 2008 at 3:18 pm
I watched the first three episodes of It's Like, You Know... and while it was better than Joey, it was still pretty bad.
Thenodrin
July 10, 2008 at 3:34 pm
"but it’s still a prevalent attitude, that if you read comic books, you must be some kind of science-fiction-loving role-playing cartoon-watching arrested adolescent"
I guess I need to first point out that liking Doctor Who, Star Trek, World of Warcraft, Asimov, OSC, Star Wars, Teen Titans, Fosters Home For Imaginary Friends, D&D, Shadowrun, Vampire the Masquerade, Magic the Gathering, comic books, etc. does NOT make you an arrested adolescent at all.
I was kinda with you up until that moment. You went from being a person who was saying, "I like these things and not these things even though they often get lumped together" to being a person who was saying, "I like these things and can't believe that people like these other things, what is wrong with those people".
I like comic books and webcomics. I like WWE. I like Doctor Who, and have since the 70s. I have a livejournal (same name, feel free to connect to me). I'm a D20 game designer, which for those of you who don't know the term means that I publish role playing games using the D&D 3.5 Edition rule set.
I am one of the people who thinks that it is a shame that last month the newest edition of D&D was released, with bright colours and written on a 3rd grade reading level in a deliberate (and advertized) attempt to shed the nerdy/geeky stigma attached to it.
I've never watched Firefly. I don't watch Battlestar Galactica. I only started watching Enterprise because it airs directly before ECW. I don't read David Eddings. I can't stand Anne Rice or JKR. I play World of Warcraft, but ony casually (it has taken two years to get my primary character to 40th level) and am constantly kicked out of guilds for lack of participation.
I do read a lot of history (and I incorporate that into the semi-historical role playing game I help produce). I watch a lot of Food Network programming. I follow politics and industrial news. I don't study international news, but I'm more well versed in it than the average American (which, granted, only meansm that I recognize that news worthy things happen in other countries and sometimes know what some of those things are.)
And, I will never understand the need that people have to tear down other people who have interests that are different than their own. I would rather watch Psych or Eureka than CSI or BG or BtVS; but I don't call people who do like those shows "arrested adolescent", "lowest form", or "nerds that nerds make fun of." Not even jokingly.
A co-worker and I were talking about weeknight TV. She asked if I watched Everybody Loves Raymond, which I did not. At the time it was on Thursday nights, and that was when WWE SmackDown was on. She patted my hand and said, "You know that isn't real? They don't really wrestle." I told her that, yes, it was real. I'd seen it live, and it wasn't CGIed or wired or anything. She said that wasn't what she meant and then went on to talk about how great Raymond was. So, I patted her hand and said, "You know that isn't real? He isn't really that dumb."
I think that us people with fringe interests like WWE, sci fi, fantasy, role playing, or comic books get enough derision from people who consider themselves "normal." I really see no reason to put each other down as well.
Theno
Patent Dragon
July 10, 2008 at 3:41 pm
99.9999% of Dalek jokes (usually from snarky daytime TV presenters) are about their inability to climb stairs, which was addressed long ago (1988) - and anyway, if you travel across space in bloody big starships, you're not going to worry about stairs anyway. Humans hiding upstairs? Just go back to the ship and nuke the site from orbit...
Greg Burgas
July 10, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I'm not sure if you understood me, Thenodrin. I'm not putting anyone down. You quoted me, but I'm not saying that people who like the things I don't are silly at all - I just don't get the attitude by OTHERS that if you do any of these things, you're an arrested adolescent. Whatever people want to like, that's their thing, and it's fun to read what everyone loves and doesn't love, because it proves my point - we all like comics (I assume, if you're here), but that doesn't make you a stereotype at all. Sorry if that wasn't clear in what I wrote.
Similarly, with all the things I listed, a lot of it is lack of interest, not dislike. I don't like Family Guy, it's true, but with a lot of stuff I said I had never seen, it's more that I simply never got into it. It has nothing to do with disliking it actively. I don't even put people down if they like something that I find completely ridiculous (unless I'm close friends with them, because that's what friends are for!). I love ABBA, for instance, so that would be a clear case of someone in a glass house throwing stones (although ABBA is awesome, and anyone who says otherwise will have to face a beatdown!).
Again, I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. It wasn't my intention.
Apodaca
July 10, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I'll call you out on that ABBA-induced beatdown, Greg. One thing ABBA never does is inspire awe. That music is wholly predictable.
Predictably TERRIBLE!
Oooooooooooooooooooooo!
ks
July 10, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I love a lot of nerdy things, some of them you don't like, but I get the idea. I hate going to a "comic book" store and the store is dominated by role playing crap. I also don't need figurines of comic book characters. Just let me have the books.
I am a big college basketball and football fan, especially the Fighting Illini.
Often I feel like I myself don't fit in anywhere. I have many friends that don't know about the 10,000+ comics that I keep in the closet of my house (bagged, boarded and boxed of course). These friends will give me a very strange look when I eventually mention it. They cannot wrap their heads around it. On the other end, "nerds" have often spent a good portion of their lives being dominated physically by others and feel like they have to constantly prove how fucking smart they are to everyone around them. I don't understand that at all.
Thenodrin
July 10, 2008 at 4:02 pm
"Sorry if that wasn’t clear in what I wrote."
Greg,
Sounds like a misunderstanding on my part. And, so I'm the one who should apologize. I read your comment as saying that if you were A, you must be B as well. And, B seemed to come out of left field, so I got a bit defensive about it.
Theno
Greg Burgas
July 10, 2008 at 4:06 pm
No worries, Theno!
And Dan - we all know you have NO SOUL, so of course your soul wouldn't be uplifted by soaring Swedish melodies!!!!!
Apodaca
July 10, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Disco, Greg. Disco.
I win.
Anthony Strand
July 10, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I'm a big nerd - Doctor Who and Buffy, but not Star Trek and not Star Wars, really. That said, is Family Guy a nerdy thing? I always thought it was the opposite of nerdy. The knuckleheads who *make fun* of comic book fans watch Family Guy.
You know, as a stereotype.
Anthony Strand
July 10, 2008 at 4:52 pm
As for non-stereotype stuff, I love animation and The Muppets. Does that count? The Muppets are probably pretty geeky, I suppose.
And by animation, I mean animation of all kinds. I'm just a fan of the medium.
Jack Norris
July 10, 2008 at 5:09 pm
* Not a gamer at all, whether video, role playing, or what have you, I wish I was doing something else and want to quit after about ten minutes in. A couple of years back, I went to an SF convention for the first time in many years, and didn't run into a friend of mine I knew from many years previous until the Sunday because I didn't venture into the gaming room the whole time and he didn't venture out until late in the weekend.
* I hate, hate, hate all things "Highlander" with a passion (and no, I don't mean that I'm bigoted against some Scottish people). Why the hell can "there be only one"? It's just stupidly arbitrary to me. And yes, even the movies, and yes, even the first one.
* While I saw the original Star Wars about eight times when it first came out, I was thirteen at the time, and I probably relate least well to anyone who keeps it as their core fandom into adulthood, more than remaining to be into just about any other adolescent obsession. No hardcore Trekkie (sorry, "Trekker" all Trekkies out there), but I respect it a great deal more as being closer to real Science Fiction, as opposed to Star Wars, which isn't just Science Santasy, but a Science Fairy Tale.
*As far as Star Trek goes: TOS is a treasure from my childhood and still a stone cold classic, TNG is the most overrated SF show ever and I can barely get through an episode now, DS9 is the only worthwhile one of the 24-Century-set ST series, Voyager is totally worthless, and Enterprise is a snoozefest except for a string of TOS-continuity-porn episodes in the fourth season.
*Don't care at all about Sword & Sorcery. Read one or two old Thomas-Buscema Conan issues, but it did nothing for me, have no interest in the new series, and even the current Wonder Woman plot set in a similar milieu is trying my patience (yeah, I know about the stuff from Beowulf, it's still not engaging me).
*I enjoy all the Whedon shows, but from seeing some online behavior from other fans of his stuff, I can see why some people are put off and get all paranoid that they're going to be pressured and hassled by overly rabid devotees. On the other hand, I think a lot of such people overreact. Sure, the shows might not be as great as the fans rave, but they're also not as bad as your backlash reaction is making you think they are.
* I know the old "nerd sports aversion" thing has fallen into major disfavor among the cooler geeks in recent years, but I just can't pretend anymore. I finally admitted recently that I just don't (or can't) give a shit what happens in any major league sports. I can watch a live (as in not televised) game of just about anything and enjoy myself, but I want nothing to do with sports media, sportscasters and their speech patterns, major league politics (like blackmailing cities with threats of moving), or even seasons, playoff structures, and player's careers. I'm fine with going to a crappy little local arena or field, seeing a minor league or triple-A game, cheering on whoever wins my sympathy at the moment, then not worrying about who-plays-who-plays-who over the next several months.
* Music: I've been a bit of a music geek too, though not a huge amount of hardcore geeky music (by which I mean filk and genre show tunes). Bands I've been into (semi-chronologically) include: Beatles, Stones, Kinks, XTC, the Clash, the Cure, New Order, Wall of Voodoo, Robyn Hitchcock, TMBG, Flaming Lips, Bell & Sebastian, ah, I can't keep listing, just a lot of "alternative" bands from before Pearl Jam ruined that label, and "indie" bands from after that, as well as obscure psychedelia and soundtracks.
* It's Like.. You Know was a funny, entertaining show that I also enjoyed, and it's not fair that some critics with a grudge beat it so hard with the "just Seinfeld in LA" stick.
Jack Norris
July 10, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Also:
That 13-foot Doctor Who scarf hidden in the drawer of my old room at my parent's house means nothing! I don't know where it came from! Who told you to go snooping around in there?
Voracious reader of SF in my teens, drifted away towards "serious" (if trendy and slightly wanky & experimental) prose in my twenties, then returned to it wholeheartedly in my thirties.
Johnny Bacardi
July 10, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Well, dude, that pretty much covers everything! You don't need to ever write anything again!
Ryan
July 10, 2008 at 5:55 pm
... I've never read "Watchmen."
Matthew E
July 10, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I've long thought that it's typical for people to have gaps in their cultural/pop-cultural education. There's so much stuff out there, how could we take *all* of it in? We can't. Me, for instance: I've never seen the Godfather movies and I couldn't care less about Star Trek (although I have seen a good deal of it).
Stuff I am interested in that isn't part of the typical comic-geek portfolio:
- Canadian history
- generational studies
- baseball
- P.G. Wodehouse
- old R&B/soul music
'It's Like, You Know' was okay. It wasn't that great, but it was fine.
Jack Norris
July 10, 2008 at 6:14 pm
And you always come across as so non-dickish in your blog. I'm saddened.
He asked, I answered, and mine was hardly the only long or maybe-over-comprehensive reply.
And I could come up with much more if provoked...
The Mutt
July 10, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Why would an Arthur C. Clarke fan not read Asimov? That's like saying you love spaghetti but have never tried lasagna. If someone told me they liked one of them, the other would be the first I'd recommend to them.
Besides, Asimov wrote like 12,304,035 books. You would think you would have read one, at least by accident.
Was there something about him that made you resist? Isn't wasn't a DC vs Marvel kind of thing, was it?
wil
July 10, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Ok, haven't read any of the comments for this, but I'm a bit drunk as a write this, which has been true of most of my posts on this site, but it not a usual occurrence on a comic book website which i'm guessing is the point of this this point
i would just say that Buffy is worth watching. At least the few series, but so many people have said the same about The Wire, and I have got around to it, so take it as you will.
South Park, however, I do believe, is the most powerful satirical force in the USA. But only if you wath it on its original airdate. Re-runs are funny, but you won't realize the genius of the show, so its not worth the effort.
I only really watch Dr Who out of national pride out of being a Brit. But its fun if you have the time.
FunkyGreenJerusalem
July 10, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Dr. Who is an odd one in Oz - everyone knows enough about it to get any reference, but no one I know watches it anymore.
It used to be played endlessly in the afternoons when I was a lad, and I think it might've been prime time viewing back in the day, so most people down here do get Dalek or Tardis jokes, but people who watch the show are considered geeks.
ladypeyton
July 10, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I'm an over 40, female, superhero lover. I've never felt stereo-typed by my comic book reading. I also love romance novels, making wine, reading medieval herbals, cookbooks and medical treatises, and re-enacting pre Seventeenth Century Europe.
I spend Sundays watching the Food Network and turning my daughter into an under 10, female, superhero lover.
Greg Burgas
July 10, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Honestly, I have no idea WHY I've never read any Asimov. I know it makes no sense! When I was really into science fiction, for whatever reason the Asimov books in the library (this was before I had any money, so the library was the place to be!) didn't appeal to me. I mean, I read Clarke, Card, some Heinlein, Herbert, Zelazny (I really like Zelazny), some Gibson, Haldeman, Bear ... but no Asimov. I wasn't actively ignoring him (so no, it wasn't a Marvel/DC thing), but whenever I picked up a book by him, it just didn't strike my fancy. Weird.
I just can't get into South Park. I actually think the songs in the movie are hilarious, but whenever I watch an episode, it just isn't funny. I can't do it!
Geek Cred. « deadbeatJONES
July 10, 2008 at 8:23 pm
[...] 10, 2008 by deadbeatjones Inspired by my pal Greg Burgas’s unabashed confession, I now present to you what I like and don’t like in the world of nerdery and general [...]
Mick V
July 10, 2008 at 8:51 pm
I had a similar experience with Dune, but I picked it up where I left off about 2 years later and could not put it down and read all the sequals as well.
Chris Heide
July 10, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Portrait of a comic fan:
I was a jock, played football in high school and college...love just about any sport except for soccer, which I was taught to despise at a young age...
musically I listen to just about anything, with my favorite acts forming an eclectic variety including The Replacements, The Smiths, Gorilla Biscuits, Pink Floyd, Ani DiFranco, The Toadies, etc...my first and greatest love however is early 90's Hip-Hop, as there was just so much good stuff out (Brand Nubian, Pete Rock & CL, ATCQ, Black Sheep, Das EFX, Naughty, Wu-Tang, BIG, Pac, Nas, Cypress Hill, Gangstarr, Jeru, Nice & Smooth, shit even flashes in the pan like Troubleneck Brothers or Group Home made stuff that was about 1,000,000 times better than the garbage 50 Cent makes millions off of nowadays)
I like video games less and less as they become more complicated and more about graphics than gameplay...hate RPGs (Final Fantasy and its ilk), hate combo-memorization 1-on-1 fighters (Mortal Kombat, Tekken, etc.) , hate run-around melee combat games (God Of War, Devil May Cry, etc.)...I like survival horror, though Silent Hill pretty much leaves everyone else in the dust, used to like sports and wrestling games but sports games are too complicated and wrestling games have actually gotten worse since their zenith with the THQ/AKI games on N64...
I barely watch TV, though Family Guy is the one show I make it a point to watch and in general I consider any FG-hate to be bandwagon iconoclasm...other than that I like that new show Life NBC debuted this past season, and anything with Alton Brown on Food Network...FX has really lost me since the once-brilliant Rescue Me fell way off after season 3 and The Shield took like two years off...network dramas I actually like are usually doomed to cult status and ultimate failure (Gabriel's Fire, Homicide: Life On The Streets, Veronica Mars)...
running long so let's just say I never gave a mad fuck about Star Wars or Star Trek or sci fi in general, but I am your typical 80's kid who loved Transformers, GI Joe, He-Man, Thundercats, etc...I read non-fiction voraciously on a wide variety of topics but comics pretty much completely fill my fiction quota, as I hate novels in general (the exception being Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers Guide stuff, Anthony Burgess' Clockwor Orange, and Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man)...oh and I hate most popular comedy, you could take John Stewart, Colbert, the cast of The Office, Tina Fey, Borat, and Judd Apatow and stick them on a rocket to the sun for all I give shit, I'd rather listen to an old Jerky Boys record or watch a Rudy Ray Moore movie than sit through their crap any day...
McK
July 10, 2008 at 9:00 pm
"(they graduated from college in 1964, just before rock and roll got good)"
Ah, you lost me here. Chuck Berry, Roy Orbison, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Presley... and that's just the really popular guys.
Otherwise, I'm with you. Not everyone who reads comic books feels obligated to follow Lost or play Heroclicks.
GarBut
July 10, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Brian, I think all the people who posted on this particular blog entry are the very lurkers who came out en masse for Superman Annual #11. The vote was real! Real! Accept the results!
Now, back to our regularly scheduled confessions...
FunkyGreenJerusalem
July 10, 2008 at 9:26 pm
I've started it three of four times - I get into it, love all that's happening, and then they dump the main guy in the desert, and I just can't get past it... seems to just stop dead.
Birmy
July 10, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Re: nerd aversion to sports. I manage a local comic book shop, and when I complain about the frequency with which I have to discuss pro football, non-comic people are always like, "At the comic shop?!" I always have to say, "Well, yeah; lots of different people read comics, you know."
Paul Newell
July 10, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Someone must still be watching it here, Funky. Around 1.25 million viewers for the Christmas Special and 1.11 million for the first ep.
That's a lot of geeks.
John Seavey
July 11, 2008 at 5:34 am
Oddly enough, for a self-professed geek, I've got no particular love for Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, anime, science fiction/fantasy novels in general (I find that the genre consists of a tiny number of brilliant writers and endless swathes of mediocre imitators, and I generally can't be arsed to search through the loads of mediocre writers to get to the good stuff), and in fact comic books, for that matter. I'm thoroughly sick of the current comics environment, and get most of my fix from reprints of Silver and Bronze Age books (or, as I like to think of them, "back when they gave a f*** about basic storytelling skills.") All of which isn't something I tend to bring up often, because I generally think it's something of a buzzkill to stand around griping about things other people passionately enjoy, but since you did ask...
My non-geekish pastimes include loving football, gorging on pop history books (every single human being on Earth should read 'Devil in the White City', because it is beyond awesome), and showing pictures of my nieces to anyone who will sit still (when my niece was four, she learned how to unbuckle her own seat belt. Her exact words on doing so for the first time: "At last, victory is mine!" No fiction can compare with the awesomeness of that.
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Rene
July 11, 2008 at 6:06 am
Interesting blog entry.
Let's see how I differ from the stereotypes...
I don't really like Star Wars or Star Trek, but I've watched some of them. Star Wars when I was a kid, and the first 2 years of original Trek and the first year of New Generation when I was a teen. But it was always more of a "nothing better on TV at the time" thing. After that, I never watched any Trek again, and I don't really want to. So, I've been at least 15 years without watching anything with a "Star" in its name, and I feel fine.
I never watched Dr. Who, South Park, Buffy, or Angel.
I love the new Battlestar Galactica though. Not so much because it's sci-fi, but because I do like dark, gritty stuff. I also love Sopranos, Rome, Deadwood, Oz, and any other TV show that is dark.
I don't like videogames or computer games. I'm not really a fan of anything electronical.
I like science fiction and fantasy novels, but I avoid the biggest names. Never liked Asimov or Clarke or Heinlein, never liked Tolkien. As a rule, I really don't like anyone writing before the 1960s, they all write wooden prose.
I like RPGs, but not Dungeons & Dragons.
Mmmmm... and stuff I do that differs from the stereotypes? I dunno... I work out in a gym 3 times a week, to keep in shape. I like to dress well. But perhaps my interest in fashion and working out is because I'm gay. I like Sex and the City and Desperate Housewives. More gay alert.
I really hate professional sports, but I'm not sure it's because I'm a geek or because I'm gay, since both groups usually hate pro sports.
And I live alone in my apartment, not in a basement with my parents.
Taylor Pithers
July 11, 2008 at 6:36 am
gotta agree with you on most of those, i absoloutley detest most things that involve wizards, elves and the like. In fact dungeons and dragons (and for the U.K. Warhammer) are possibly the nerdiest things on the planet. Doctor who is not my taste, most sci fi tires me, and cosplay? ARGH!!!!!!
I suppose the things i do that the "stereotypical" nerd (do they exist? most of the geeks I know are pretty cool) doesnt is have an active social life, I dont live with my mum and I have a girlfriend who is pretty hot. Dont get me wrong though, I am a geek, I love wrestling and computer games and could probably chew your ear off about why I actually LIKE the Sentry and why Glamourpuss is cool so its all swings and roundabouts.
Rene
July 11, 2008 at 6:54 am
Stereotypical nerds still exist nowadays. I see some of them in my work.
But I only hang out with gay men and girls nowadays. Many of my gay friends like some geek stuff. They grew up reading superhero comics, they like RPGs and videogames, they like TV shows like Heroes, one of them even likes Stargate (I never watched it myself).
But all of them keep in shape, all of them dress well, all of them have good personal hygiene, all of them have social lives. I mean, being gay trumps being a geek in these respects. I just can't leave the house if I'm not looking good and shopping for new clothes is one of life's greatest pleasures.
mrjayberry
July 11, 2008 at 7:10 am
Geeky stuff- I do collect toys, do read science fiction: a fan of Clark, Philip Jose Farmer, and most of all Ray Bradbury, I watch South Park and Robot Chicken but like most t.v. not on any regular schedule, and I have a soft spot for movies about sharks. And for half credit wrestling.
Non Geeky stuff-College football (I'm a Boise State fan), never played D and D (of course I grew up in a rural area so I didn't have enough friends to play), punk rock; played mostly at house shows, the television show
COPS, MMA and Boxing, going boating at the lake.
Jack Norris-you liked nothing about the Highlander, not even that awesome Queen theme song.
Rene
July 11, 2008 at 8:37 am
Philip José Farmer and Ray Bradbury are awesome! Never quite saw the appeal of Clarke, though. Guy is a lot like Asimov: full of great ideas, just not very good at execution, not good at characterization, pacing, style. I consider them both as "SF for engineers", even Clarke, who is a lot more metaphysical than most hard SF guys.
Teebore
July 11, 2008 at 8:52 am
I have never watched Doctor Who, Battlestar or a lot of the "geeky" 70s show many love (Six Million Dollar Man, Incredible Hulk) because they were before my time and I have no real urge to catch up on them. For a sci-fi geek, I realize I have read incredibly few classic SF novels. An Asimov here, a couple of Philip K. Dicks and one Heinlen, maybe? Never read Dune; tried and failed. I loved the Lords of the Rings movies but was bored to tears by the books (I have yet to actually finish Return of the King); working part time in a Barnes and Noble populated by geeks, this is tantamount to blasphemy.
I played D&D exactly once, because a girl I was dating was into it. I didn't hate it (I may even work the character I created into a novel one day) but I have yet to feel compelled to ever do it again. Too much time when there are too many other things to do.
I have never read Manga, and have watched very little anime (Trigun, Now and Then, Here and There, and alittle DBZ being the exceptions).
Typical geeky things I am into: I love Buffy, Angel, Firefly, I'm getting into Stargate...everything Star Wars to the core of my being (even the prequels and the expanded universe-I love Star Wars novels) even more than the X-Men (yes, the X-Men). I love Star Trek (DS9 is my favorite) though my geek kung-fu there isn't as strong as it is in other areas. Harry Potter. I've watched the Simpsons since day one and fear the day when no new episodes will appear (I can't remember a time like that...). I adore Futurama, and don't understand the Family Guy hate. My friends and I all enjoy it. Venture Brothers. South Park is a riot. I am a child-of-the-80s nostalgia whore so I love Transformers, GI Joe, He-Man etc. and own all the DVDs. I have a pack rat tendency towards collecting that my wife is gently and loving working to break me from, while understanding that the urge to collect some things (comics, DVDs, action figures, books) will never vanish.
Non-typical stuff: I am a movie buff and own several hundred non-TV show DVDs. I love history (especially American History, especially 19th century Frontier/Civil War/Old West/Industrial Revolution stuff) and baseball, and am overcoming my "I was a geek in high school so I hate jocks" mentality to gain a greater appreciation for American Football.
I also memorize things and am a huge trivia buff. In college, to keep myself awake in class, I memorized all the Presidents, the Best Picture Oscar winners from 1948 to present (I ran out of time...) and the winners of the World Series from about 1960 to present (ditto). I had ambitions to do the same to rulers of England, so I am very jealous of Greg's knowledge there.
My wife and I love to cook and watch a lot of Food Network. I'm a TV geek, in that sometimes, I just love to sit for an hour or so and surf, watching random shows or snippets of old movies. I love theater, specifically musicals. My favorite musicians are Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Billy Joel, Frank Sinatra and Matchbox 20, in that order. I like to make an effort to dress well and look good.
I have an English degree, so I have the requisite interests there, specifically in modern American Lit (Twain, Hemingway, Fitzgerald). As a kid I was obsessed with dinosaurs and Greek and Norse mythology (which I credit for my love of super hero comics). The book I have read cover to cover more than any other is Edith Hamilton's Mythology. Oh, and I love the Laura Ingalls Wilder books, and the Three Investigators (a lesser known Hardy Boys knock off that is far superior).
Vig
July 11, 2008 at 9:25 am
I concur, It's Like, You Know was a great short lived series. It was one of my regulars, along with The Norm Show and The Drew Carey Show.
Alvin
July 11, 2008 at 9:48 am
I like "Buffy" thought it was casual fun a lot like the current "Chuck" . I read the "Hobbit" and "Lord Of The Rings" in 76-77, thought they were great and I loved the Peter Jackson films. There was this one guy who wrote about this Half American Half Japanese guy who was a Ninja, Nicolas Linner if I remember right the novels were violent, mystic and erotic the titles were "The Ninja" "The White Ninja" and a couple more, the authors name was Eric Von Lustbader, I think this guy actually discovered the Rolling Stones.Hey! when I was a Kid I was floored by" Interveiw With A Vampire" Holy crap, all I could think about was this vampire could just jump up and kill me, why's this guy talking to him? I like music, I'm a KISS purist Gene, Peter,Paul & Ace, I listen to Pink Martini, Diana Krahll, Amy Crazyhouse,Stevie Ray Vaughn, Damian Rice. Anybody watch Alfred Hitchcock films, I know the films are a bit slow and dated but "Torn Curtin", "Vertigo" pretty cool, how about Kurosawas "Seven Samurai". I don't play really play any games except "Golf" I like "Fishing" ( I mean like outside that area of space between your house and the comic shop) I watch alot of baseball. I like Japanese animation but I'm not much for manga. "Sci-Fi" not so much, Geek or Nerd? Did I mention Comics.
Jack Norris
July 11, 2008 at 11:33 am
Jayberry: Nope. Consider it one of Queen's all-time weakest widely-known songs. I remember reading a magazine article a few years back on rock themes of genre movies which praised it to the skies, while ragging on the Flash Gordon theme, which is just messed up, as Flash (Aaah-aaaah!) kicks the Highlander theme's balls up into its sinuses (figuratively speaking). Just another strike against a crappy, crappy franchise.
Comics Should Be Good! » Confessions of a Comics Glutton
July 11, 2008 at 12:54 pm
[...] You know, while we’re confessing stuff. [...]
Hans Keller
July 11, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I don't know. I really don't know anymore how I stack up to the "typical" comic nerd, because it's not a subcategorization I give a lot of thought to. See, I just figure everything I do is nerdy. One of my favorite TV shows is the original Get Smart. Is that nerdy? I've read nearly all of Richard Brautigan's books. Is that nerdy? I'm a big fan of the band Sparks. is that nerdy? I'd say "yes" to all of the above. Whether it fits the stereotypical definition of whatever you care to name is not something that interests me. I think if you go back and read the old Starman lettercols the natural conclusion to draw is that there really isn't such a thing as your bog-standard typical nerd, that such a being is either a composite or downright chimerical. Every one of us is interesting, and every one of us is unique. And should someone choose to believe otherwise, to think that anyone who likes comics is some sort of basement-dwelling simian bereft of taste and even the most rudimentary of social skills, well, that is their loss, I suppose. It doesn't top the list of things I worry about.
Dalarsco
July 11, 2008 at 2:08 pm
I have only ever played DND once, and it doesn't really count because it was a bunch of guys who never had just wanting to see what it was like.
I don't collect Heroclix.
mrjayberry
July 11, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Teebore-I never read a Hardy Boys novel, but the Three Investigators ruled. Although I was suprised when I read the wikipedia article that they orginally told their stories to Alfred Hitchcock, and that is to cool.
Jack Norris- Ouch that hurts, but good call on the Flash Gordon Theme, that opening bass line is gold for getting the party started in my house.
edc
July 11, 2008 at 5:52 pm
its like, you know was great..
ms. grey was hilarious.
Stefan
July 11, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I'm late to this thread, but I see it's still going, so...
I've never seen Blade Runner, Tron, Rocky or Rambo.
I don't play video games. Okay, occasionally Tetris or something similar. But I don't own a video game system and I don't intend to buy one. I sorta played D&D a few times with friends in junior high, but it was a short-lived phase.
I don't watch TV.
I actually haven't a clue what "cosplay" is, and I haven't bothered to go on Wikipedia to look it up.
I run 5 miles a day, I do yoga, and I eat quite healthily.
I do make lists obsessively. For two years I kept track of every single album I listened to, and painstakingly tabulated the statistics of the bands and albums I listened to most. (By the end, the top 3 were REM, Talking Heads and Ani DiFranco).
I did love the Hardy Boys AND Three Investigators as a kid.
I do spend a lot of time on the internet.
I am a big fan of Lord of the Rings, and more recently His Dark Materials. But most of my non-comics reading material usually consists of A) highly literate novels that have some elements of fantasy, but not a whole lot, a la Salman Rushdie, B) mystic poetry, or C) Spiritual non-fiction.
I can talk for hours and hours about Transformers, the Thundercats, Silverhawks, M.A.S.K., He-Man, G.I.Joe... anyone remember Visionaries? I sure do.
I have always latched onto trivia as a means of occupying my left brain. When I was young it was baseball statistics, and then later it was musical trivia about the bands I loved, and then stuff like comic book first appearances and such. These days I apply it to astrology and other complex mystical systems like Tarot, the Mayan calendar... the same higher archetype stuff that my favorite comics draw inspiration from.
I'm happily married, to a dancer/choreographer. I haven't been single or celibate in a long time, although I must confess that 10 years ago when I was reading a lot MORE comics than I am now (like 50 every week, and spending 40 horus a week on an online newsletter) I was single, and not gettin' so much.
(I've managed to get my wife into Y: The Last Man, American Virgin and the occasional Alan Moore story, as well as some comic book movies, but that's as far as that goes).
I love comics dearly and I'm never shy about telling people.
I have a wide range of musical tastes and I'm passionate about the music I love. I have my Top 23 Bands and almost every band in that list has 10 or more albums each. I have 40,000 songs on my computer and I'm always making playlists. It's mainly rock and roll with a lot of folk and world music, and then samplings of everything else thrown in.
Just like almost everyone else who reads comics (and I'd argue this is the most "typical" trait of all)... I'd like to make comics, too.
Suzene
July 11, 2008 at 6:34 pm
I find the new Battlestar Galactica to be unrelentingly grim, joyless, and, worst of all, boring. I do, however, LOVE the scores.
I've never been able to sit through a whole episode of the Buffy series.
Didn't see Star Wars until I was 21 and wondered what all the fuss was about. Also saw the prequels and didn't get where all the hate was coming from, as they had all the earmarks of the original trilogy, only with better FX.
I'd much rather read Bruce Campbell's writing than watch his acting.
I think Joss Whedon is a competant storyteller, but vastly overhyped.
I've never been able to get into any of the classic masters of sci-fi, or hard sci-fi in general. Most of it just seems as dry as sawdust or a little skeevy.
Never cared for Lost.
Ditto Firefly. And no, I don't think seeing them out of order made a damn bit of difference, as I didn't start watching Babylon 5 until mid third season, and I enjoyed it a lot.
Ditto Heroes.
Couldn't get into the Narnia books past the first one, even as a kid.
As for non-nerdy activities, I don't actually have too many of those. I really like the life-sciences and anthropology, I study animal behavior and Roman history in my free time, and I think that's about it.
Mike Loughlin
July 11, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Well, I'm married with 2 kids. Although several others who post on this site can claim the same, it doesn'ty fit the "comic-book guy" stereotype.
I haven't read much sci-fi (although I really liked Dune and the 2 sequels I read), and never seen Dr. Who, B5, or Galactica. I have a nostalgic fondness for Star Trek & Wars, but, sadly, they don't hold up.
I'm embarassed to admit it, but I like most of Kevin Smith's movies. Yeah, yeah, I know...
There seems to be a correlation between comic fans & music fans. I love me some blues (from Robert Johnson to Buddy Guy and back), punk (Clash, Operation Ivy, a slew of Boston bands '91- '00 or so), indie/ alt rock (PJ Harvey, Pixies, & Radiohead among my favorites), soul (Aretha to Jamie Lidell), Hendrix (Hey Baby [Land of the New Rising Sun] is my favorite) & other classic rock (Dylan, Neil Young, VU, Traffic, Beatles & Stones), and beyond.
I'm a teacher. I teach students with autism, and try to stay on top of new developments in the field.
Like other comics fans, I love to just know stuff. Random trivia, history, science, whatever.
I like sports, especially football.
Oddly enough, I've managed to be a closeted comic book reader for years. Some friends and most acquaintances don't know about it. It's the hobby that dare not speak its name! Although Fun Home and Jimmy Corrigan and Joe Sacco and art spiegleman and countless others bring respectability to the medium, it seems most people think of people who read comics as the stereotypical "comic book guy." You can make all the comic book movies you want, and millions of people of all ages see and enjoy them, but the stereotype doesn't seem to change...
(Of course, your experiences might be totally different. Maybe the stereotype is breaking down, and I just haven't noticed. If so, great!)
stephen cade
July 12, 2008 at 1:10 am
I don't enjoy ol' what's his name Morrison.
(Okay--it's grant Morrison.)
I don't, really--I fail to see what the big deal about him is.
There--that's my answer to the original question asked above.
Stefan
July 12, 2008 at 9:23 am
I was thinking the same, Mike, about music and comics.
What's the connection? Maybe it's the left-brain / right-brain balance: words and pictures, words and music (since nobody's mentioning classical or electronica)?
Or maybe, you have to really know your tastes to be a comics fan -- to keep going back to the comic shop every week and finding the best stuff when most of your culture doesn't care about 'em -- and it takes the same muscles to browse through the millions of bands and albums out there and find your treasures in the music world. Just to be a comics fan, as an adult, you have to stop caring about what anybody thinks and find what you like, and this is a trait common to music connosieurs. You have to be a connosieur of some kind, I think, to be a comics fan, because there's so much crap out there but the good stuff is soooo good, so you're always testing new waters, sometimes hearing about comics from word of mouth, sometimes picking up something on impulse...
I remember a great thread on one of the X-Men forums where we were all speculating on which X-Men like which music best.
Anyway, enough rambling. Cheers
Apodaca
July 14, 2008 at 1:02 pm
"Having sex with my wife (how that for being a geek)"
Bragging about it on the internet? That's extremely geeky.
Anna
October 14, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Ha, all of you comic book geeks are so adorable. Well...I'm not a comics nerd, but I do love Batman(the character, I've never actually read a comic book before) =/
And...well that's really all pertaining to comics. Haha. But...some things that I love that don't have to do with comic books are...
Ballet - I've been dancing since I was 2.
Horseback Riding
Tennis
My school =) I'm a freshman at NYU.
I love animals, as I said before - my horse - Brownie...my cat, and my dog.
I'm really interested in the textile industry...manufacturing and marketing...things like that.
Umm...and going out with my friends of course.
Ha well I doubt anyone will ever read this...since the topic was posted more than a year ago. And...I actually originally came onto this forum for ideas for my halloween costume. Ha, I wanted to be either Catwoman or Poison Ivy...but then I got interested in these topics so...enjoy your comic books guys ;D
Anna
October 14, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Oh and I forgot....
I'm a HUGE old film fan. I love Woody Allen's movies...Audrey Hepburn's, Marilyn Monroe's...and specifically I love-
Breakfast at Tifany's, Roman Holiday, Annie Hall, Manhattan, Gentleman Prefer Blondes, etc.
Plus like hundreds of others..oh and I love When Harry Met Sally...so hysterical.
=)