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Comics Should Be Good Top 50 Countdown! – #2

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Whiz Comics #2

This one was close to a cinch, except for the fact that Judge Dredd also made his bow in the 2nd issue of 2000 A.D.

Which character is more noteworthy? Judge Dredd or Captain Marvel?

I think Dredd might have a decent argument that Dredd is more famous than Captain Marvel, but maybe not. It’s not a no-brainer, either way.

However, even taking the relative fame levels of each character, I still think that Whiz Comics #2 is a bit more notable, mostly because it maintains a certain level of notoriety in the comic book world that is what this whole countdown is about – issues that come to people’s minds when they hear certain numbers, and I think Whiz Comics is one of those issues, and definitely more so than 2000 AD #2.

Whiz Comics #2 also saw the debuts of Ibis the Invincible, Golden Arrow, Spy Smasher, Scoop Smith, Lance O’Casey and Dan Dare (not that Dan Dare)!!

Other notable #2s include the first appearance of the Vulture in Amazing Spider-Man #2 and the first appearance of the Skrulls in Fantastic Four #2.


I both agree and disagree.

It’s an absolute No-Brainer for the Big Red Cheese.

Unlike Judge Dredd, Captain Marvel and the DC copyright lawsuit against him also featured prominently in a Pulitzer Prize-winning novel.

Quasar #2 does its best to explain where exactly Quasar has been all these years between when he first showed up and when he was given a series. Answer? he spends three years in issue #2 in suspended animation traveling to Uranus to learn about his powers. Luckily, one of the things he learns is how to instantaneously travel from any one spot to another using the Quantum Zone!

Okay, Uranus jokes begin in three…two…one…

Most of the great Hillman heroes (Airboy, Sky Wolf, Iron Ace, Black Angel, Hirota) first appeared in Air Fighters Comics #2. I loves me some Airboy.

Ah, how the selling of comics has changed…..

I like how the text and copy, the selling point for this new character in a practically new book is almost completely lost, down by Cap’s feet!

Gangway For Captain Marvel! indeed.

The debut of one of the more promenant characters of the Golden Age vs the debut of the most promenant character in British Comics. Its a tough call. I probably would have gone the other way, but undoubtably thats partly due to national sentiment on my part.

Brian: Can San Diego Comic-Con Comics #2 get an honourable mention for the debut of Hellboy?

Ah yes, the first appearance of Spy Smasher. Now that guy was cool.

Also of note: two serious contenders for the first comics superheroine ever emerged in #2s, depending on how you choose to define “superheroine”: The Woman in Red in Thrilling Comics and Fantomah in Jungle Comics.

Other notable debuts at #2 include the oh-so-adaptable Patsy Walker in Miss America Magazine, Werewolf by Night in Marvel Spotlight, Satana in Vampire Tales, Toro in Human Torch Comics and Super Goof in The Phantom Blot. The not at all skrully Space Phantom first showed up in Avengers, and Captain Comet reentered modern comics in Secret Society of Super Villains. And hey, the Green Team in FIrst Issue Special!

My favorite #2, though, has to be Bob Phantom over in Blue Ribbon Comics. BOB PHANTOM! The name alone makes criminals quake in their bell-toed elf boots.

Cap throws like a girl.

Captain Marvel probably makes sense from an American perspective, but here in Old Blighty, Judge Dredd is way more famous. Also I knew that he debuted in issue 2 whereas I didn’t have a clue what issue number or even what comic Captain Marvel debuted in.

I’m not saying your choice is wrong though – perspectives will differ across the Atlantic


With the Skrulls invading, Fantastic Four 2 gets no love?

I was going to say that it might be reversed in the UK, but over here it’s no contest. TV shows, the Elvis connection, Shazam being one of those comics words that everyone knows without necessarily knowing it cam from comics… Cap wins.

This was one of the more interesting philisophical choices, because how much important stuff *ever* happens in a second issue? If it was really important, you’d put it in the debut issue.

Tough to come up with reasonable alternates with this one. Still:

“From Hell” began in Taboo #2

DC Comics Presents Annual #2 was an Elliot S. Maggin story that introduced Superwoman (Kristin Wells) to Earth-1 continuity.

And Swamp Thing Annual #2, “Down Among the Dead Men”, in addition to being an excellent Alan Moore story in general, was where most of the DC/Vertigo Cosmology was established, much of which persists to this day.

For the benefit of UK readers, Captain Marvel was a blatant rip-off of your Marvelman.

I’d say this was nearly as much of a no-brainer as #27.

This may be one of those things that anyone who cares to know already knows, but #2 was actually the first issue of Whiz Comics:

#1 was a promo-only B&W test run to lure advertisers, and was printed with two different titles: Flash Comics (a title that All-American Publications snapped up before Whiz came out) and Thrill Comics. Captain Marvel was still called Captain Thunder in that one.

“For the benefit of UK readers, Captain Marvel was a blatant rip-off of your Marvelman.”

You’ve got that exactly backwards.

Marvelman started as a Captain Marvel substitute after Fawcett stopped publishing new material for the character.

From the wikipedia article on the character…

The character’s origins were in black and white reprints of the American Captain Marvel comics by a London publisher, L. Miller & Son, Ltd. When the US publishers of Captain Marvel, Fawcett Comics, agreed to cease publication of the title after a lawsuit from DC Comics, Len Miller was faced with the supply of Captain Marvel material being cut off. He turned to a British comic writer/artist, Mick Anglo, for help, and transformed Captain Marvel to Marvelman and Captain Marvel Jr. to Young Marvelman. The changes took place with issue number 25 in each title, both cover-dated February 3rd, 1954, although they had been announced about five issues earlier.

Dear Richard,

That was a joke. But comics history is always welcome.


Of course the bigger irony here is that there is no Whiz Comics #1– #1 was just an Ashcan edition of what became Whiz Comics #2, only it had Captain Marvel as Captain Thunder and was itself called Flash Comics (and Thrill Comics)!

So technically, Whiz Comics #2 is Whiz Comics #1.

This may be one of those things that anyone who cares to know already knows, but #2 was actually the first issue of Whiz Comics:

Or I could just actually read the comments and note what others have said! D’oh!

Fantastic Four #2 also includes the first appearance of The Daily Bugle.

I think Fantastic Four #2 is much closer to the top… definitely more recognizable than 2000 AD #2. Not so strong as to topple Whiz Comics, but definitely a close second.

Damn I was on holiday when this came out and so by the time I post this everyone will have moved on and not notice this. Sigh

Been waiting for this one and figured that Marvel would get it – which given this is a list from America is fair enough – but I still call outrage. Judge Dredd is the single most significent character in what is arguably the single most significent comic ever (if people werer around I’d explain why 2000ad is the most signifient comic ever but I’ll just let it go here for now I guess)

For shame America, for shame look to the rest of the world… says the man from the UK shouting out for the UK comic – arh well I’ll ignore my own hypocrisy!

not arguing that it should be the pick, but titans #2 was the first deathstroke the teminator. notable enough that it should have been mentioned, at least.

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