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	<title>Comments on: John Seavey&#039;s Storytelling Engines: Shazam!</title>
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		<title>By: Jack Potts</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/07/16/john-seaveys-storytelling-engines-shazam/comment-page-1/#comment-671975</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Potts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought DC missed a great opportunity to reboot Captain Marvel after Infinite Crisis (and during 52.)  With a New Earth as the status quo and Superman basically out of action for a year, DC could have used the opportunity to introduce Cpt. Marvel as a &quot;new&quot; character to the DC Universe.   With some re-tooling, DC could have even kept 52&#039;s Black Adam storyline, just by playing him as a new threat, not a returning one.

Imagine a powerless Clark Kent hearing about a new hero with a look and powers similar to his own operating in Fawcett City (a hero who also shares many disturbing similarities to a new super-human dictator who is rising to power at the same time in the nation of Kahndaq).  When the enterprising journalist goes to investigate, Clark discovers that the inexperienced hero, Captain Marvel, is actually just an orphaned kid in his secret identity (shades of the Winick miniseries).  So, during that year, Clark and Lois take in Billy Batson as a foster child, and Clark trains him with the help of another orphan (Batman) and another hero steeped in mythology (Wonder Woman).  

At the end of the year, Captain Marvel could have distinguished himself as a powerful force in the DC Universe with an affinity toward the more mystical and fantastic elements within it.  The series could have built to the innocent, moral, and idealistic Capt. Marvel&#039;s inevitable confrontation with the dark, brutal Black Adam.  Finally, by the close of 52, Billy would have discovered his sister, Mary, and her adopted family living in Fawcett City and move in with them to begin a series of new adventures.  I think giving Billy Batson a stable family is key to maintaining a light tone to the book, because it removes the depressing cloud of Billy being a homeless orphan living on the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought DC missed a great opportunity to reboot Captain Marvel after Infinite Crisis (and during 52.)  With a New Earth as the status quo and Superman basically out of action for a year, DC could have used the opportunity to introduce Cpt. Marvel as a "new" character to the DC Universe.   With some re-tooling, DC could have even kept 52's Black Adam storyline, just by playing him as a new threat, not a returning one.</p>
<p>Imagine a powerless Clark Kent hearing about a new hero with a look and powers similar to his own operating in Fawcett City (a hero who also shares many disturbing similarities to a new super-human dictator who is rising to power at the same time in the nation of Kahndaq).  When the enterprising journalist goes to investigate, Clark discovers that the inexperienced hero, Captain Marvel, is actually just an orphaned kid in his secret identity (shades of the Winick miniseries).  So, during that year, Clark and Lois take in Billy Batson as a foster child, and Clark trains him with the help of another orphan (Batman) and another hero steeped in mythology (Wonder Woman).  </p>
<p>At the end of the year, Captain Marvel could have distinguished himself as a powerful force in the DC Universe with an affinity toward the more mystical and fantastic elements within it.  The series could have built to the innocent, moral, and idealistic Capt. Marvel's inevitable confrontation with the dark, brutal Black Adam.  Finally, by the close of 52, Billy would have discovered his sister, Mary, and her adopted family living in Fawcett City and move in with them to begin a series of new adventures.  I think giving Billy Batson a stable family is key to maintaining a light tone to the book, because it removes the depressing cloud of Billy being a homeless orphan living on the street.</p>
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		<title>By: edc</title>
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		<dc:creator>edc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOWEVER, as the Big Red Cheese, everyone sees him as an adult, and nearly all of the team is unaware Billy is Marvel, so one can imagine the problems that would arise if people thought the two (in their heroic identities) were involvedâ€¦

oh man, THAT would make for a funny funybook.

bagge and kolchaka&#039;s shazam!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOWEVER, as the Big Red Cheese, everyone sees him as an adult, and nearly all of the team is unaware Billy is Marvel, so one can imagine the problems that would arise if people thought the two (in their heroic identities) were involvedâ€¦</p>
<p>oh man, THAT would make for a funny funybook.</p>
<p>bagge and kolchaka's shazam!</p>
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		<title>By: Basara</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/07/16/john-seaveys-storytelling-engines-shazam/comment-page-1/#comment-671834</link>
		<dc:creator>Basara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the more interesting things in the recent history of the character is a little teen angst....

As Billy, he&#039;s the same age as his female teammate, Stargirl, and there is a definite interest between the two.

HOWEVER, as the Big Red Cheese, everyone sees him as an adult, and nearly all of the team is unaware Billy is Marvel, so one can imagine the problems that would arise if people thought the two (in their heroic identities) were involved...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the more interesting things in the recent history of the character is a little teen angst....</p>
<p>As Billy, he's the same age as his female teammate, Stargirl, and there is a definite interest between the two.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, as the Big Red Cheese, everyone sees him as an adult, and nearly all of the team is unaware Billy is Marvel, so one can imagine the problems that would arise if people thought the two (in their heroic identities) were involved...</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain Marvel had the grave misfortune of having his story-telling engine deconstructed by Alan Moore in &#039;Miracleman&#039;.  Like a great many concepts he took apart, Moore left very little of the innocent Captain Marvel behind.  Characters like Tawky Tawny and Captain Marvel, Jr. make such perfect sense in the Miracleman paradigm that it is hard read the in the CC Beck context anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain Marvel had the grave misfortune of having his story-telling engine deconstructed by Alan Moore in 'Miracleman'.  Like a great many concepts he took apart, Moore left very little of the innocent Captain Marvel behind.  Characters like Tawky Tawny and Captain Marvel, Jr. make such perfect sense in the Miracleman paradigm that it is hard read the in the CC Beck context anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: janus</title>
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		<dc:creator>janus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree that C.C. Beck would be happy selling a &quot;Grim&quot; marvel Family. C.C. Beck had strong opinions about how a comic book story should be told and especially a Marvel Family story. In fact he quit illustrating the Shazam comic in the 70s. &quot;I gave up when I realized that the stories were structureless, meaningless and totally worthless.&quot; I&#039;m pretty certain he would not be happy with what has been done to these characters over the years.  You can&#039;t just invent your own C.C. Beck and say that&#039;s what the actual person would do.
http://cagle.msnbc.com/hogan/interviews/beck/home.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't agree that C.C. Beck would be happy selling a "Grim" marvel Family. C.C. Beck had strong opinions about how a comic book story should be told and especially a Marvel Family story. In fact he quit illustrating the Shazam comic in the 70s. "I gave up when I realized that the stories were structureless, meaningless and totally worthless." I'm pretty certain he would not be happy with what has been done to these characters over the years.  You can't just invent your own C.C. Beck and say that's what the actual person would do.<br />
<a href="http://cagle.msnbc.com/hogan/interviews/beck/home.asp" rel="nofollow">http://cagle.msnbc.com/hogan/interviews/beck/home.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad Curran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Curran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. That is exactly what Binder and Beck would be doing if they were middle aged now. And had to invent the Marvel Family. And sell it to today&#039;s audience. Evil Hot Topic Mary Marvel is exactly what they&#039;d do in this impossible theoretical universe I have just invented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. That is exactly what Binder and Beck would be doing if they were middle aged now. And had to invent the Marvel Family. And sell it to today's audience. Evil Hot Topic Mary Marvel is exactly what they'd do in this impossible theoretical universe I have just invented.</p>
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		<title>By: HellRazor</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/07/16/john-seaveys-storytelling-engines-shazam/comment-page-1/#comment-671721</link>
		<dc:creator>HellRazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and once again DC doesn&#039;t &quot;get it&quot;.  At least not with the whole &quot;dark Mary Marvel&quot; crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and once again DC doesn't "get it".  At least not with the whole "dark Mary Marvel" crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Burk</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/07/16/john-seaveys-storytelling-engines-shazam/comment-page-1/#comment-671694</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Burk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the strength of the 1940s and 50s Captain Marvel (and Marvel Family) story is the strength of its storytelling engine itself: simple, powerful, direct stories for kids that intuitively know what parts of a kid&#039;s imagination to stimulate. They were formulaic in the way Krazy Kat or Charlie Brown was formulaic-- there was familiar parts like Billy getting into trouble and getting gagged and then saying the magic word, but everything around it was strange and fascinating.

It&#039;s something that, for the most part, the &#039;70s stories in Shazam! completely ignored. They tried to amalgamate 70s comics with the visuals from the original series. And it never worked. They didn&#039;t get the formulaic parts or the strange and fascinating stuff surrounding it. Denny O&#039;Neil and Elliot Maggin were brilliant writers, just not for this. (Nelson Bridwell was decent, but this was something that needed Otto Binder to be brought out of retirement to write.) They and Julie Schwartz just didn&#039;t get it.

I would know: I was a kid when the revival hit; one of my first comics I ever read (at 6 years old) was the 100 page spectacular issue of Shazam!. The reprints had me at hello: I comprehended them immediately and kept re-reading them. The newer stories were not nearly as interesting or exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the strength of the 1940s and 50s Captain Marvel (and Marvel Family) story is the strength of its storytelling engine itself: simple, powerful, direct stories for kids that intuitively know what parts of a kid's imagination to stimulate. They were formulaic in the way Krazy Kat or Charlie Brown was formulaic-- there was familiar parts like Billy getting into trouble and getting gagged and then saying the magic word, but everything around it was strange and fascinating.</p>
<p>It's something that, for the most part, the '70s stories in Shazam! completely ignored. They tried to amalgamate 70s comics with the visuals from the original series. And it never worked. They didn't get the formulaic parts or the strange and fascinating stuff surrounding it. Denny O'Neil and Elliot Maggin were brilliant writers, just not for this. (Nelson Bridwell was decent, but this was something that needed Otto Binder to be brought out of retirement to write.) They and Julie Schwartz just didn't get it.</p>
<p>I would know: I was a kid when the revival hit; one of my first comics I ever read (at 6 years old) was the 100 page spectacular issue of Shazam!. The reprints had me at hello: I comprehended them immediately and kept re-reading them. The newer stories were not nearly as interesting or exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t tell Geoff Johns that Black Adam is a b-lister!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't tell Geoff Johns that Black Adam is a b-lister!</p>
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