Comic Book Resources

Well, his design always did have a gay 80's vibe to it...

I appreciated a lot of the story but perhaps because I liked how him being scary made him sexy, MR. Sinister was more my cup of tea.

Well, anything would have been an improvement with that character.

Please tell me that Sinister had a sex change. That would make this awesome.

I read this yesterday, and I'm still a bit baffled. Who the hell is that?

Yeah. The worst part was, I actually enjoyed the storyline pretty much up until that point.

I haven't gotten to the issue yet but I think Carey's been doing something both very well-written and fairly challenging (an X-Men book which basically follows Xavier around and tries to piece his life together is not exactly the first thing that comes to mind when you think easy 'sales juggernaut') so I'm hoping the storyline didn't end that poorly.

...yikes.

I've been perusing this title (waiting for trade). Looks like Sinister takes over the Black Womb's (a character introudced in the Nicieza/Skroce Gambit series) body.

Interesting to say the least. I would've gone with Lady Sinister instead of Miss as a nod to Sinister's 19th century roots.

I'm just amazed you went with a Kinks reference that wasn't from "Lola." You're a better man than me...

I don't know how far my opinion goes, mind you, because I feel like the afformentioned Nicieza/Skroce Gambit series is one of the most slept upon books of the 90s (right up there with Superboy and the Ravers) and will go out of my way to argue how Cable had ten years straight of good writers.

But then this site proudly supports the Kelly Deadpool, despite being, y'know, Deadpool, so hey, who knows.

Marvel stop making your goofy villains into women.

seriously! First Loki, now Sinister. I hope it ends soon cause no one wants to see She-Thanos!

She-Thanos?

...Totally hot.

She looks like a vampire from an Anita Blake comic.

Heeeey, *now* it makes sense. Laurel Hamilton on Astonishing X-Men confirmed!

(Geez, that's the most horrifying thought I've had all week.)

"Please tell me that Sinister had a sex change. That would make this awesome."

Yes, it would. In fact, it's pretty much the only thing that would make this awesome.

This just fits in the proud tradition of male comic character needing a revamp being turned into female characters successfully such as....ah..... Mantra?.... ah well not really....

Would it have killed them to call her "Sinestra" ?

Couldn't they have just used that vampire lady again?

Wasn't Ultron a lady recently too? As long as the they don't turn Kang into a dame, I'll be fine...

"Sometimes it's cool to just go ahead and state the obvious...how about...Slutty Albino Diamond Forehead?"

Oh, so (s)he's NOT a sex-change or a regrown body?
I thought SInister was a...yknow...GENETICS genius or something, and that would make more sense.

But, hey.
The body transferral worked GREAT for Psylocke (cute but "uptight" English woman into sexxxy-hot Japanese ninja-babe), so why not.
I see that "Miss Sinister" has the prerequisite ample bosom there, so it should be fine.

Hey!
There's a great "TOP" list for this site:
Top 10 BEST or WORST or WACKIEST body-swaps in comics.
OR Top sex-change transformations in comics.

~P~
PTOR

And I thought it was Sage...

Next up: the Queenpin versus Magneta!

Wasn't there an issue of Exiles that covered that??

Try saying this sentence out loud with a straight face: "Oh no! They've ruined the character of Mr. Sinister!"

Can't do it, can you? So I say, no big loss.

So far that's:
Ultron
Mr Sinister
Loki
Kraven (well, a female version of him...)

Anybody else get a higher pain threshold and better at shopping this year?

... Gambit fought a villain named The Black Womb?

Seriously?

Do I want to know what her powers were?

What about the upcoming "Lady Bulseye" in DD????

There was also a female Doc Ock in the 90s.

Although that wasn't Otto in a corset...

Next: Professor X vs. Cyclops!

In what way?

I hope it's a race.

Or a wrestling match, at Madison Square Garden.

That'd be awesome.

Does Lady Mastermind count? Daughters count as bastardizations, right?

So is the loss that you miss Mister Sinister or that the missus doesn't do it for you?

Personally, this looks to be Selene of the Hellfire Club talking to Sebastian Shaw. I suspect what's really happening here is that she is revealing that she is actually related to Mr. Sinister (sister, mother, aunt, love-slave, whatever).

Gordon

So is the loss that you miss Mister Sinister or that the missus doesn’t do it for you?

I was looking for a term that would be the opposite of a "character find."

Since they were talking about Sinister as a separate entity right before this page, I was under the assumption that this "Miss Sinister" was not Mr. Sinister in a female clones body, but rather, one of Sinister's genetic clones that has his powers.

Or am I totally missing what happened here?

"I was looking for a term that would be the opposite of a “character find.”"

How about the original first appearance of Mr. Sinister then?
(I'm solidly with the "Mr Sinister's such a crappy character that it's absurd to say that he can be ruined" camp.)

I'm surprised that I've given off the impression that I'm sad about Mr. Sinister being ruined, rather than noting that a bastardization of a crappy character is, well, a REALLY bad character.

Maybe a slash/fic about Sinister has been found that someone signed your name to.

I kid!
I kid!

~P~
PTOR

If you want to see what She-Thanos looks like check out the Infinity Gauntlet limited series.

First...BWA HA HA HA....wait wait....BWA HA HA HA....okay Im good now.

How about sensational character flop of the year

"Miss Sinister" doesn't rhyme. She should call herself "Sister Sinister."

"“Miss Sinister” doesn’t rhyme. She should call herself “Sister Sinister.”

Yes! Brilliant!

Character Cover-up? That almost works. But maybe I just like the alliteration.

Isn't there a female Hawkeye and Vision too? And a black Nick Fury.. This is the current decade's version of changing the costume when they're out of ideas. Like the Ultimates line of brainfarts, all I'm getting is confusion and brand dilution. I know, let's change Iron Man's armor!
I always thought of Mr. Sinister as a visual rip-off of an "evil" Colossus anyway, where they couldn't think of a name for him and might as well have gone with Mr. Villain. Remember the dopey looking X-Man called "Strong Guy"? Jeez, such creative titans! How do they do it??

In addition to the already existing "She-Thanos" there has also been a "She-Kang" (confusingly called Nebula with no relation to Thanos's granddaughter as I recall). The female Dr. Octopus didn't last too long...

"The sensational character spam of 2008"?

Oh, and I'll put "dubious" in there. "The Dubious Character Cover-up of 2008". Crap, now I don't like cover-up again. "Suppression" doesn't work much either... Hmmm...

"I was looking for a term that would be the opposite of a “character find.”"

Then you're changing the wrong word. Miss Sinister is still a new-(ish) character, and thus still a 'find.' "Sensational character loss" makes it sound like a character stopped being used.

What you really need is an antonym for "sensational." That's the world in the phrase that suggests quality. I suggest "The Sucktacular Character Find of 2008."

I don't know. The "Sensational Character Whitewash of 2008" seems appropriate.

(I agree that "Sensational Character Loss of 2008" seems to suggest something like Final Crisis: Requiem.)

Ganky, "Strong Guy" was a joke code name. The characters in X-Factor acknowledged it as such.

Sister Sinister is alright, but better to get him/her Ordained by some kooky religion and call him/her:

MINISTER SINISTER!

~P~
PTOR

Y'see, Brian, that was your perfect chance to quote Lola. An opportunity flits away in the wind.

Personally, I think Mr Sinist-her would have been a better choice of name. I hope that's Sage they've just screwed up and not Selene.

How about Miss Tersinister? I'm hoping for "Spinster Sinister."

Remember when even Marvel decided "Mr. Sinister" was a lame name and tried just calling him "Sinister" for a while? I bet they do that with Miss Sinister if she ever becomes an important character.

For those who haven't read it, the comic doesn't make it clear exactly what Miss Sinister's deal is, but it's pretty clear she ISN'T Selene or Tessa (aka Sage). It would seem that she's either a female clone of Mr. Sinister (like X-23) or Mr. Sinister transferred into a female body, and since she uses the word "cool" and seems somewhat deferential to Shaw, I'd guess clone.

And Lynxara: Black Womb wasn't really a villain, more of a MacGuffin. She was a woman Sinister was using for his genetics research in the 19th century (and, I believe, Cyclops and Havok's great-grandmother or something like that). People called her "Black Womb" because, due to Sinister's experiments, she seemed to be having an inordinate number of miscarriages. She somehow became immortal and went on to become a geneticist herself and run the "Black Womb Project" with Professor X's father and Juggernaut's father and Sebastian Shaw's father and pretty much every everyone's father.

@ZZZ:

... I have no idea what to say to that.

You know, come to think of it, in the first Black Womb story in Gambit's old series, Remy and a member of his supporting cast called the Courier, who was a shapeshifter, travel back in time to the 19th century, when Mr. Sinister was just Nathaniel Essex. The Courier shifts into a female form to infiltrate Essex's obstetric clinic (between that sentence, the "Black Womb" thing, and the fact that the book starred freakin' Gambit, it's almost impossible to beleive, but the series was actually halfway decent!), gets captured and, thanks to Sinister's experiments, gets stuck in his female form (s/he can still shapeshift, but his/her female form becomes the "default" one).

In other words, every time Gambit and Amanda Mueller (Black Womb) have a plotline together, someone gets gender switched.

This reminds of that issue of Guy Gardner Warrior where Guy gets turned into a woman!

Actually, Sinister's look and name work a bit better when you factor in Claremont's originally intended origin for the character...(and I do mean a *bit*)...

And next...

Sinister Girl
Sinister Woman (ex-Sinister Girl)
Sinister Lass

Mr Sinister = Goth drag queen.

Miss Sinister = Slightly more convincing goth drag queen.

Ronald Moore (Battlestar Galactica) is now a consultant for Quesada.

How about character assassination?

Character burial?

Character crucifixion?

Character devastation?

Blackjak,

The word "character" makes no sense with this.

A more appropriate term would be "concept" ( as in: "conceptual misfire").

Surely Sinister (in any incarnation) was never a CHARACTER, but more of a half-formed concept or just a visual with a "kewl" name.

~P~
PTOR

PTOR, sorry, I was just trying to come up with an opposite to "Character find"...

What is the opposite of a concept?

A death?

An abortion?

However if you are talking purely about this Mr/Ms Sinister concept, then surely it is a genuine Mutation of the concept?

I suggest "honoring" Miss Sinister by calling it the Sensational Character *Miss* of 2008.

I can't even *read* the sentence “They’ve ruined the character of Mr. Sinister!” with a straight face.

Oh man, Jeremy wins.

Mr Sinister = Goth drag queen.

Miss Sinister = Slightly more convincing goth drag queen.

I know this is moot now but it's not like it's Sinister in a female form, like they did with Loki, or anything. It's just his powers transferred into a female, that's it. It's not nearly as dumb as I thought it was going to be before reading the issue. He had a plan to save himself if something happened to him. She found a way to twist that plan so that she'd get his powers but not his mind. He tried to overcome that. He was thwarted. She wins. It's convoluted but it's not nearly as bad as I thought it'd be from the original post.

It's so terrible it's awesome.

C'mon we'd all love it if it was Grant Morrison!

Dude, Morrison could reprint the phonebook, and people would call it the best thing ever! lol

Sure, why not? Mr. Sinister can be a chick as much as Loki can be a chick. They've just got to write it well, and looking at Legacy vs. the other X-titles right now, well, it can't be THAT bad.

I'm totally open to having a female version of Mr. Sinister running around... but I can't understand why they didn't take the opportunity to drop the name altogether. It's always been silly. Appropriate for a kids cartoon, but sort of ridiculous for the kind of comics Carey's writing.

So, when is Mr/Miss Sinister going to move into the body of an albino white gorilla?