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	<title>Comments on: Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #165</title>
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		<title>By: ParanoidObsessive</title>
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		<dc:creator>ParanoidObsessive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; A few years ago Sci-Fi channel announced that they were going to do a Strikeforce show called â€œA Thousand Daysâ€ or something like that but then nothing more was ever said about it.

Sci-Fi has a habit of talking up properties to make into bad mini-series, then never uses them for whatever reason.  WAAAAY back in like 1998 or so, they mentioned about 8 different classic sci-fi series they were planning to do mini-series with, but only Dune and Earthsea ever remotely saw the light of day.  Though, considering how they turned out, perhaps I shouldn&#039;t feel TOO upset that they never made the Nine Princes in Amber series I was looking forward to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; A few years ago Sci-Fi channel announced that they were going to do a Strikeforce show called â€œA Thousand Daysâ€ or something like that but then nothing more was ever said about it.</p>
<p>Sci-Fi has a habit of talking up properties to make into bad mini-series, then never uses them for whatever reason.  WAAAAY back in like 1998 or so, they mentioned about 8 different classic sci-fi series they were planning to do mini-series with, but only Dune and Earthsea ever remotely saw the light of day.  Though, considering how they turned out, perhaps I shouldn't feel TOO upset that they never made the Nine Princes in Amber series I was looking forward to...</p>
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		<title>By: Jono11</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jono11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott: If it really was Byrne I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised.  When I posted that, though, I was just thinking, &quot;Well, this is a total dick move, so let me think of who the biggest dick in comics is...oh yeah, John Byrne!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott: If it really was Byrne I wouldn't be at all surprised.  When I posted that, though, I was just thinking, "Well, this is a total dick move, so let me think of who the biggest dick in comics is...oh yeah, John Byrne!"</p>
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		<title>By: R. J. Sterling</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. J. Sterling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m another reader who can&#039;t believe there&#039;s someone who didn&#039;t think Gillis/Anderson&#039;s &#039;Morituri&#039; was an instant classic. As long as we&#039;re comparing it to New Universe titles, it stood head and shoulders above any of those except &#039;DP7&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm another reader who can't believe there's someone who didn't think Gillis/Anderson's 'Morituri' was an instant classic. As long as we're comparing it to New Universe titles, it stood head and shoulders above any of those except 'DP7'.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rowland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Rowland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never knew Rich Morrissey personally, but I really enjoyed reading his articles and letters.  It&#039;s good to know taht he is well-remembered by others.  I don&#039;t remember either the Gaiman character or the less favorable reference to him, but did catch the Legion one.   

@Jono11 - I think you do know the answer already, based on a previous post.  Perhaps it would help to point out that Rich Morrissey wrote a guest editorial for Amazing Heroes complaining about a story in which Superman cold bloodedly killed some supervillains.  I don&#039;t know for sure that it&#039;s the person who wrote that story, but I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never knew Rich Morrissey personally, but I really enjoyed reading his articles and letters.  It's good to know taht he is well-remembered by others.  I don't remember either the Gaiman character or the less favorable reference to him, but did catch the Legion one.   </p>
<p>@Jono11 - I think you do know the answer already, based on a previous post.  Perhaps it would help to point out that Rich Morrissey wrote a guest editorial for Amazing Heroes complaining about a story in which Superman cold bloodedly killed some supervillains.  I don't know for sure that it's the person who wrote that story, but I wouldn't be at all surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Doesnâ€™t jibe with what I recall Shooter has said about the NU. Sounds to me like an Urban Legend for the future.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Agreed, like I said above, while Gillis may be correct, I don&#039;t think anything he says on what Shooter was thinking is definitive, just what Gillis was thinking, vis a vis the creation of Strikeforce: Morituri.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Doesnâ€™t jibe with what I recall Shooter has said about the NU. Sounds to me like an Urban Legend for the future.</p></blockquote>
<p> Agreed, like I said above, while Gillis may be correct, I don't think anything he says on what Shooter was thinking is definitive, just what Gillis was thinking, vis a vis the creation of Strikeforce: Morituri.</p>
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		<title>By: Jono11</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jono11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;@Jono11: you already know the answer to that.&quot;--I don&#039;t think I do.

&quot;You tend to see more done-in-one and short two-three part stories these days than you did even a few years ago.&quot;--Unless you&#039;re referring to Jonah Hex, JLA, Detective Comics and Blue Beetle, no, you really don&#039;t see that from either of the Big Two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"@Jono11: you already know the answer to that."--I don't think I do.</p>
<p>"You tend to see more done-in-one and short two-three part stories these days than you did even a few years ago."--Unless you're referring to Jonah Hex, JLA, Detective Comics and Blue Beetle, no, you really don't see that from either of the Big Two.</p>
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		<title>By: kalorama</title>
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		<dc:creator>kalorama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Interesting that it was the first issue of the Red Zone arc that was split in two, as it was issues five and six that felt the most padded to me â€” the climactic battle between Red Skull and Captain America was abruptly broken in two, if I recall.&quot;

The Skull and Cap completed their fight in one issue (the Skull cheated and won). The next issue featured a fight between the Skull and Black Panther.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Interesting that it was the first issue of the Red Zone arc that was split in two, as it was issues five and six that felt the most padded to me â€” the climactic battle between Red Skull and Captain America was abruptly broken in two, if I recall."</p>
<p>The Skull and Cap completed their fight in one issue (the Skull cheated and won). The next issue featured a fight between the Skull and Black Panther.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Frey</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/07/24/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-165/comment-page-2/#comment-675152</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Frey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He had killed two of my series, Defenders and Micronauts&quot;

Doesn&#039;t jibe with what I recall Shooter has said about the NU.  Sounds to me like an Urban Legend for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"He had killed two of my series, Defenders and Micronauts"</p>
<p>Doesn't jibe with what I recall Shooter has said about the NU.  Sounds to me like an Urban Legend for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Matty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the ownership deal w/ Strikeforce? IIRC, in an interview early in Quesada&#039;s E-I-C tenure he mentions that Greg Pak had done a fantastic pitch based off of the concepts but for a variety of legal reasons, would not see the light of day... I wonder if these reasons also prevent a reprint.

@Luis Dantas.... Not intended as a bash but it&#039;s even weirder to me that anyone would consider the Gillis run on Strikeforce: Morituri a clunker... that&#039;s the first time I&#039;ve ever seen any negative criticism of Strikeforce: Morituri in 22 years. Ah, well... to each their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the ownership deal w/ Strikeforce? IIRC, in an interview early in Quesada's E-I-C tenure he mentions that Greg Pak had done a fantastic pitch based off of the concepts but for a variety of legal reasons, would not see the light of day... I wonder if these reasons also prevent a reprint.</p>
<p>@Luis Dantas.... Not intended as a bash but it's even weirder to me that anyone would consider the Gillis run on Strikeforce: Morituri a clunker... that's the first time I've ever seen any negative criticism of Strikeforce: Morituri in 22 years. Ah, well... to each their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturn Girl&#039;s parents in the reboot were named for fans; her mother (and the name has stuck into the threeboot) is named for Sidne Gail Ward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saturn Girl's parents in the reboot were named for fans; her mother (and the name has stuck into the threeboot) is named for Sidne Gail Ward.</p>
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		<title>By: wwk5d</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwk5d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to Tom Brevoort, you&#039;re telling me it was just a coincidence that almost *every* writer in Marvel at the time suddenly was unable to tell stories in less than 3 issue arcs? That every story had to be a 5 or 6 parter, which conveniently made for a better trade? That if it was less than 4 issues long, it wouldn&#039;t be a good story? Please. 

These days, a classic story like &quot;Who is Donna Troy?&quot; would be padded out to at least a 5 issue story arc. Hell, her wedding would&#039;ve been a one-shot crossing over into half a dozen other titles. Or, to use a Marvel example, God only knows how long &quot;Days of Future Past&quot; would end up today...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to Tom Brevoort, you're telling me it was just a coincidence that almost *every* writer in Marvel at the time suddenly was unable to tell stories in less than 3 issue arcs? That every story had to be a 5 or 6 parter, which conveniently made for a better trade? That if it was less than 4 issues long, it wouldn't be a good story? Please. </p>
<p>These days, a classic story like "Who is Donna Troy?" would be padded out to at least a 5 issue story arc. Hell, her wedding would've been a one-shot crossing over into half a dozen other titles. Or, to use a Marvel example, God only knows how long "Days of Future Past" would end up today...</p>
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		<title>By: Thenodrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thenodrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved Strikeforce: Morturi. One of my life&#039;s motos comes from that title (I hope that isn&#039;t as pathetic as it sounds.)

A mangled quote is, &quot;You know what to do. You know what the answers are. So, I watch you and hope that someday I&#039;ll know, too.&quot;

Theno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved Strikeforce: Morturi. One of my life's motos comes from that title (I hope that isn't as pathetic as it sounds.)</p>
<p>A mangled quote is, "You know what to do. You know what the answers are. So, I watch you and hope that someday I'll know, too."</p>
<p>Theno</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fun challenge: Try and find a Geoff Johns run in a regular series to which the phrase â€œthe best the book has been in a long timeâ€ doesnâ€™t apply.&quot;

Teen Titans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Fun challenge: Try and find a Geoff Johns run in a regular series to which the phrase â€œthe best the book has been in a long timeâ€ doesnâ€™t apply."</p>
<p>Teen Titans.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Adams</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/07/24/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-165/comment-page-1/#comment-674536</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Eric:

The Charydemon appeared in issues #2-3 of the &quot;Total Justice&quot; toy-tie-in mini by Priest.  It was actually a decent enough story as a way to hang the ridiculous &quot;fractal tech gear&quot; snap-on accessories and had some fun character moments with Wally, Kyle and Robin, but the art was outright atrocious in the first issue and merely enh in the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Eric:</p>
<p>The Charydemon appeared in issues #2-3 of the "Total Justice" toy-tie-in mini by Priest.  It was actually a decent enough story as a way to hang the ridiculous "fractal tech gear" snap-on accessories and had some fun character moments with Wally, Kyle and Robin, but the art was outright atrocious in the first issue and merely enh in the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynxara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynxara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You tend to see more done-in-one and short two-three part stories these days than you did even a few years ago.</description>
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		<title>By: Frank Rook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Rook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decompression &quot;was&quot; all the rage at Marvel &quot;then&quot;?

Are these posts coming from the far-flung future or a parallel world? Because last I checked, it&#039;s STILL the reigning practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decompression "was" all the rage at Marvel "then"?</p>
<p>Are these posts coming from the far-flung future or a parallel world? Because last I checked, it's STILL the reigning practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton Wick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton Wick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Johns too-brief run on Avengers was the best the book has been in a long time.&quot;

Fun challenge: Try and find a Geoff Johns run in a regular series to which the phrase &quot;the best the book has been in a long time&quot; doesn&#039;t apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Johns too-brief run on Avengers was the best the book has been in a long time."</p>
<p>Fun challenge: Try and find a Geoff Johns run in a regular series to which the phrase "the best the book has been in a long time" doesn't apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Deron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 06:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that it was the first issue of the Red Zone arc that was split in two, as it was issues five and six that felt the most padded to me -- the climactic battle between Red Skull and Captain America was abruptly broken in two, if I recall.

And this is a problem that is still ongoing on Avengers books -- the following contains some spoilers, I guess -- one of the first SI tie ins (it was drawn by Cheung, though I don&#039;t remember the issue number) had one page that was three panels of slightly different angles of Skrulls standing around. The recent New Avengers issue about Spiderwoman (also drawn by Cheung, I believe) ended with two pages of a spreading white-out over one identical panel. I could deal with dilated stories if they&#039;d bother to include more information; it&#039;s the idiotic padding with overblown panels that rankles me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that it was the first issue of the Red Zone arc that was split in two, as it was issues five and six that felt the most padded to me -- the climactic battle between Red Skull and Captain America was abruptly broken in two, if I recall.</p>
<p>And this is a problem that is still ongoing on Avengers books -- the following contains some spoilers, I guess -- one of the first SI tie ins (it was drawn by Cheung, though I don't remember the issue number) had one page that was three panels of slightly different angles of Skrulls standing around. The recent New Avengers issue about Spiderwoman (also drawn by Cheung, I believe) ended with two pages of a spreading white-out over one identical panel. I could deal with dilated stories if they'd bother to include more information; it's the idiotic padding with overblown panels that rankles me.</p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jono11: you already know the answer to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jono11: you already know the answer to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Dantas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis Dantas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh.  It just feels so... weird to see Strikeforce: Morituri praised.  I saw a lot of clunkers back in the day, but S:M was in a class of its own.  Shooter would indeed never have suggested something so bad - in execution, at least; the core concept is good enough, but the actual writing took every wrong turn it could find.  It was cooorny all the way.  I actually felt sorry for Peter Gillis.  I still do.

Me, I would take the average New Universe book over S:M any day. 

Heck, I would take Merc, perhaps even Kickers Inc., over S:M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh.  It just feels so... weird to see Strikeforce: Morituri praised.  I saw a lot of clunkers back in the day, but S:M was in a class of its own.  Shooter would indeed never have suggested something so bad - in execution, at least; the core concept is good enough, but the actual writing took every wrong turn it could find.  It was cooorny all the way.  I actually felt sorry for Peter Gillis.  I still do.</p>
<p>Me, I would take the average New Universe book over S:M any day. </p>
<p>Heck, I would take Merc, perhaps even Kickers Inc., over S:M.</p>
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