Comments on: Top Five Teams With None of Their Original Members

By: Jacob T. Levy

Jacob T. Levy — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:53:55 +0000

No, Superman was a member of the Jurgens League. He had joined the Justice League for what was (according to that era's continuity" the first time in the post-Breakdowns Justice League Spectacular.

By: wwk5d

wwk5d — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:44:19 +0000

Technically, Cyclops, Angel, and Prof-X left long before the Outback era started...were you referring to the team from the JRjr era, Brian? i loved that era...Storm, Wolverine, Rogue, Colossuss, Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, and Rachel, and Prof-X...with Cyclops appearing every once in a while. This was also when I felt the Professor was actually a field member of the team. Now that he could walk, he could actually go with them on missions, as opposed to being confined in a wheel chair a few blocks away and helping them out telepathically (tho he did have that horrible yellow uniform )

Too bad PAD's X-factor doesn't count. But that version of the Masters of Evil kicked ass.

By: Mike Loughlin

Mike Loughlin — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 03:49:43 +0000

In the last few Kelly/Seagle & early Alan Davis-plotted (kinda) X-Men issues, the team consisted of Storm, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Colossus, Rogue, Kitty Pryde, Marrow, & Gambit. Not the best period for the title, but not the worst.

By: Brad

Brad — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:51:41 +0000

How about the Jurgens justice league america around the time of the death of superman? I don't think superman was an official member at the time and martian manhunter was running around as bloodwynd, but they didnt know that.

By: Grico

Grico — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:45:17 +0000

Steven Seagle's Alpha Flight was fun cheap bin fodder. At least that is where I got my copies of it. And the fact it got canceled doesn't really play into whether it was good or not. Chase anyone?

By: Brian Cronin

Brian Cronin — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:12:34 +0000

From the initial post:

(Iâ€™m not counting instances where the name of the team was just used by a totally separate group - I mean a group where the team stayed the same but just slowly changed membership until no original members were left)

This would rule out PAD'S X-Factor as well as Milligan's X-Force.

By: Lothor

Lothor — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:02:16 +0000

The original Defenders (Hulk, Namor, Strange; also Silver Surfer but he was not in the group from day 1) left the non-team in #125, thus the first issue with none of the originals was 126.

By: TJK

TJK — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:12:17 +0000

Ah, The Outback X-Men. As a long-time X-Fan, those were my favorites. Longshot, Dazzler, Betsy before they ruined her with that Lady Mandarin/Kwannon garbage. Those were the good old days...

Loved that wacky Defenders line-up also, especially with Manslaughter as a member, that was quite an odd turn...

Gotta say thoug, I did love the Forge led X-Factor though...

By: Dan K

Dan K — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:59:06 +0000

How about Peter Milligan's X-Force after he culled his original line-up in his first issue?

By: Scott MacIver

Scott MacIver — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:44:59 +0000

@ Andrew Collins
"Have a soft spot for the Outback X-Men myself, as that was when I discovered the book, specifically with Uncanny #236, the one with the cover of Wolverine and Rogue hanging upside down."

Heh, I got the TPB for Dark Phoenix just as that issue hit the stands. I went to the corner store and bought that very issue. I too am sentimental for the Outback team.

By: MRW

MRW — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:53:57 +0000

Where's the Fantastic Four of Wolverine, Hulk, Spider-Man, and Ghost Rider?

By: Stephen

Stephen — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:38:46 +0000

*IF* you go with the explanation that the Big Three weren't original JLA members, I think the post-Obsidian Age JLA is as close as you can get. Jon instead of Hal, Wally instead of Barry, Faith, Manitou Raven, Major Disaster, and the Big Three.

But, again, that only works if the team from JLA Year One was really the original team.

By: Apodaca

Apodaca — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:29:43 +0000

Nah, it wasn't. The art was horrendous and the characters were all one-dimensional and cliched.

By: Ralph

Ralph — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:14:59 +0000

"Nope. Thatâ€™s why it got canceled."

Shame, it was a good series.

By: Apodaca

Apodaca — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:24:17 +0000

"No love for Steven SeagleÂ´s Alpha Flight?"

Nope. That's why it got canceled.

By: Andrew Collins

Andrew Collins — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:42:41 +0000

What? No mention of any X-Factor incarnations since 1991? Especially the current version, which is the best the book has ever been?

Have a soft spot for the Outback X-Men myself, as that was when I discovered the book, specifically with Uncanny #236, the one with the cover of Wolverine and Rogue hanging upside down.

And I'm surprised to see any mention made of New Titans past issue #100. When Grummett left the book, it nosedived and was never the same quality again as it was from 1980 to circa 1992...

By: JG

JG — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:41:43 +0000

Cool list. I would've definitely had Pete David's "All New All Different" X-Factor, circa #71 as number one.

By: kushiro

kushiro — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:03:52 +0000

There are some Legion of Super-Heroes fans that would say there haven't been any original members since 1994.

By: buttler

buttler — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:38:36 +0000

Well, with a lot of those second-wave members, I think the less they had going on outside of the League, the more League-identified they were. It's the same with the Avengers. Both companies took advantage of those teams to highlight characters who didn't have their own series and really give them a chance to shine in the team book.

By: Jacob T. Levy

Jacob T. Levy — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:26:22 +0000

If JLE doesn't count, then Extreme Justice certainly doesn't, and neither does the one-shot joke JLA in 52, and there's never been a Justice League without a founder (with founders defined as the original 7, regardless of retcons). But I still say JLE was governed by the same structure and charter, and was *meant* to be continuous with the other JL title. JL expanded its roster in JLI, and then split into two sub-groups to be more international-- JLE wasn't created from scratch from the ground up the way the Titans West were. The funny thing is that if you put Green Arrow, Atom, Hawkman, Elongated Man, Zatanna, and Black Canary into a panel, everyone things "Justice League." If you put Batman and Superman together, that's a lot less likely. The second wave of JLA members were members for a looong time, including the whole Bronze Age in most cases. As with Cap and the Avengers, many of these folks became strongly associated with the team. IIRC, the Avengers charter was amended at one point to redefine Cap as a founder and Hulk not. Being a founder was associated with some special privilege (maybe dissolving the team or maybe creating a new one, but maybe there was a rule that one founder was supposed to be on the team at all times-- I don't remember).