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	<title>Comments on: Manga Before Flowers -- Weighing in on YEN+</title>
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		<title>By: SonjaArashi</title>
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		<dc:creator>SonjaArashi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep reading When They Cry: Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. It starts off as your typical &#039;harem&#039; type slice-of-life, but what it gets into later is much, MUCH deeper than that. I say this as a fan of the original games, and of the anime adaption. 

Higurashi is something wonderful and not something to miss, but it does take a while to get going, and then a bit more to get past all the &#039;senseless&#039; murder arcs, but once it gets into the &#039;Kai&#039; answer arcs (When they Cry 2 and 2+), it suddenly reveals the &#039;why&#039; to the &#039;whats&#039; presented in the first arcs, and reveals exactly how character-oriented the plot actually is. 

The whole harem beginning was meant to compete with all the hentai/harem visual novels - attract players and customers with a group of cute girls, and then suddenly lure them into a series horrifying murder arcs, hopefully hooking them until the end where things are solved, the time-loops/world-skips explained, and leaving the player with a feeling that something was actually accomplished. It gets very emotional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep reading When They Cry: Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. It starts off as your typical 'harem' type slice-of-life, but what it gets into later is much, MUCH deeper than that. I say this as a fan of the original games, and of the anime adaption. </p>
<p>Higurashi is something wonderful and not something to miss, but it does take a while to get going, and then a bit more to get past all the 'senseless' murder arcs, but once it gets into the 'Kai' answer arcs (When they Cry 2 and 2+), it suddenly reveals the 'why' to the 'whats' presented in the first arcs, and reveals exactly how character-oriented the plot actually is. </p>
<p>The whole harem beginning was meant to compete with all the hentai/harem visual novels - attract players and customers with a group of cute girls, and then suddenly lure them into a series horrifying murder arcs, hopefully hooking them until the end where things are solved, the time-loops/world-skips explained, and leaving the player with a feeling that something was actually accomplished. It gets very emotional.</p>
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		<title>By: Yen Plus Magazine - Good Choice for Libraries?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yen Plus Magazine - Good Choice for Libraries?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Yen+ Issues 1 &#38; 2 &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yen+ Issues 1 &#38; 2 &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] @ MangaBlog Danielle @ CBR David Welsh @ Comic Reporter Deb @ About.com Erin @ PopCultureShock Esther @ Good Comics for Kids  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tiamat's Disciple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiamat's Disciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack Frost is being resituated from issue three, i&#039;d say probably inbetween maxim ride and nightschool, so it should be less shocking to the system to go from soft and fluffy, to blood and panties lol

As for Summomo, thats deliberate. She&#039;s actually the same age as him, she&#039;s just done loli styled because of the way she clings to him and stuff. I didn&#039;t like the anime version to much, but i&#039;m hopping the manga has a better grasp on the story. That said if you didn&#039;t like the first chapter cause of Summomo, you&#039;ll hate it latter on when the more ero characters start to turn up.

Svetlana&#039;s art was the best though, the congratulatory art she drew is awesome!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Frost is being resituated from issue three, i'd say probably inbetween maxim ride and nightschool, so it should be less shocking to the system to go from soft and fluffy, to blood and panties lol</p>
<p>As for Summomo, thats deliberate. She's actually the same age as him, she's just done loli styled because of the way she clings to him and stuff. I didn't like the anime version to much, but i'm hopping the manga has a better grasp on the story. That said if you didn't like the first chapter cause of Summomo, you'll hate it latter on when the more ero characters start to turn up.</p>
<p>Svetlana's art was the best though, the congratulatory art she drew is awesome!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rivkah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rivkah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the black and white printing, and on nice, creamy paper, too! Plus, looking closer, this is some high-quality black and white printing, on the same level of clarity and crispness as the graphic novels.

Though there&#039;s more in &quot;Shoujo Beat&quot; that I read (being a shoujo fan), the color printing with it&#039;s tissue paper pages drives me NUTS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the black and white printing, and on nice, creamy paper, too! Plus, looking closer, this is some high-quality black and white printing, on the same level of clarity and crispness as the graphic novels.</p>
<p>Though there's more in "Shoujo Beat" that I read (being a shoujo fan), the color printing with it's tissue paper pages drives me NUTS.</p>
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		<title>By: Rivkah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rivkah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One Fine Day&quot; was actually my favorite of the mix; sketchy and whimsical, it reminds me of something along the lines of Yotsuba-to or Mutts. And I LOVED the art; well paced and original.

Of the rest, &quot;Maximum Ride&quot; and &quot;Nightschool&quot; were my other favorites, though I agree that &quot;Maximum Ride&quot; just throws you in without any introduction and too many characters, sadly loosing a lot of my interest by the end. But the art was AMAZING and except for a few of the action scenes, the pacing was well done. &quot;Nightschool&quot;, on the other hand, wasn&#039;t my favorite in art (I prefer the softer, smoother, airy lines of &quot;Maximum Ride&quot; and &quot;One Fine Day&quot;) but Svet has a knack with dialog and humor that goes right to the heart. I agree with the perplexity of &quot;who&#039;s the protagonist?&quot;, and I also think that the story itself could have slowed down to introduce the characters more, saving the dream sequence for another chapter (threw me a loop jumping so much between characters), but of them all, &quot;Nightschool&quot; had the smoothest storytelling, something Svet has shown time and time again that she excels at.

I enjoyed most of the rest of the Manwha (though having &quot;Jack Frost&quot; right after &quot;One Fine Day&quot; almost gave me a heart attack from the sudden jump in ah . . . maturity level), but they didn&#039;t hook me as much as the others. &quot;Pig Bride&quot; shows potential in its story, but I found the character design of the lead male character overly feminine and unemotive, making it difficult to connect to him as a reader. Sarasah just freaked me the heck out. OMGSTALKER! Some chick followed me like that, I&#039;d be reporting her to the police for harassment! But the ending left me curious. Dangit . . .

As for the manga . . . I flipped and, unfortunately . . . passed. Maybe I&#039;ve become jaded from having shelves and shelves of manga, but the art style of the manga displayed in Yen Plus felt generic to me, and I find it difficult to get into anything that looks like something I&#039;ve read a hundred times before. I also found a lot of the manga stories to be extremely cluttered in their pacing, which made them difficult to slip into as a reader.

 And the prepubescent-looking girl asking a guy to have sex with her so she can carry on her lineage to the next generation? I ripped the page out and threw it away. Just . . . uck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"One Fine Day" was actually my favorite of the mix; sketchy and whimsical, it reminds me of something along the lines of Yotsuba-to or Mutts. And I LOVED the art; well paced and original.</p>
<p>Of the rest, "Maximum Ride" and "Nightschool" were my other favorites, though I agree that "Maximum Ride" just throws you in without any introduction and too many characters, sadly loosing a lot of my interest by the end. But the art was AMAZING and except for a few of the action scenes, the pacing was well done. "Nightschool", on the other hand, wasn't my favorite in art (I prefer the softer, smoother, airy lines of "Maximum Ride" and "One Fine Day") but Svet has a knack with dialog and humor that goes right to the heart. I agree with the perplexity of "who's the protagonist?", and I also think that the story itself could have slowed down to introduce the characters more, saving the dream sequence for another chapter (threw me a loop jumping so much between characters), but of them all, "Nightschool" had the smoothest storytelling, something Svet has shown time and time again that she excels at.</p>
<p>I enjoyed most of the rest of the Manwha (though having "Jack Frost" right after "One Fine Day" almost gave me a heart attack from the sudden jump in ah . . . maturity level), but they didn't hook me as much as the others. "Pig Bride" shows potential in its story, but I found the character design of the lead male character overly feminine and unemotive, making it difficult to connect to him as a reader. Sarasah just freaked me the heck out. OMGSTALKER! Some chick followed me like that, I'd be reporting her to the police for harassment! But the ending left me curious. Dangit . . .</p>
<p>As for the manga . . . I flipped and, unfortunately . . . passed. Maybe I've become jaded from having shelves and shelves of manga, but the art style of the manga displayed in Yen Plus felt generic to me, and I find it difficult to get into anything that looks like something I've read a hundred times before. I also found a lot of the manga stories to be extremely cluttered in their pacing, which made them difficult to slip into as a reader.</p>
<p> And the prepubescent-looking girl asking a guy to have sex with her so she can carry on her lineage to the next generation? I ripped the page out and threw it away. Just . . . uck.</p>
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		<title>By: Dania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that &quot;One Fine Day&quot; was my favorite even though I didn&#039;t really understand it, lol! I guess that is just for those of use who like &quot;cute&quot;. I am also interested in seeing more of Nabari No Ou, Pig Bride, Soul Eater and Maximum Drive, although just about everything is worthwhile: I am seriously thinking of getting a subscritption.. 

&quot;Jack Frost&quot; kinda ticked me off with the first chapter, but if the headless girl is really the protaganist it could get interesting, so I will reserve my dislike for the next issue. That being said I didn&#039;t think their was to much fanservice in the other series; Soul Eater is funky and creative so it gets a pass.

Great review, I look forward to seeing what you think of the next issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that "One Fine Day" was my favorite even though I didn't really understand it, lol! I guess that is just for those of use who like "cute". I am also interested in seeing more of Nabari No Ou, Pig Bride, Soul Eater and Maximum Drive, although just about everything is worthwhile: I am seriously thinking of getting a subscritption.. </p>
<p>"Jack Frost" kinda ticked me off with the first chapter, but if the headless girl is really the protaganist it could get interesting, so I will reserve my dislike for the next issue. That being said I didn't think their was to much fanservice in the other series; Soul Eater is funky and creative so it gets a pass.</p>
<p>Great review, I look forward to seeing what you think of the next issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Seanna Hundt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seanna Hundt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually enjoyed the fact that Yen+ included so many different genres. While I am a subscriber to Shojo Beat, I actually own more Shonen Jump (or SJAdvanced) manga. I don&#039;t say, &quot;Oh, I only read romance,&quot; or &quot;ACTION ONLY!&quot; because if I did, I&#039;d be missing out on a ton of awesome stories. Yen+ allowed me (and other manga readers like me) to pick up one anthology rather than two. I felt that the selection was quite good in that it showcased series I&#039;d normally never even glance at. Let&#039;s admit it, most people ignore series not published by Viz or Tokyopop unless we&#039;ve heard about the series or author. I picked up this anthology because of Soul Eater (I had seen some episodes of the anime on the internet and loved it), but now I like most of the titles. I guess I wasn&#039;t as bothered by the &quot;creepy fanservice&quot;, as I&#039;m used to seeing it in many different series and don&#039;t find it all too creepy or surprising. Just to let you know, while Soul Eater does like to keep it&#039;s women buxom and its boys perverted, I&#039;m pretty sure there aren&#039;t anymore bathtub scenes; I think you might enjoy the tongue-in-cheek parodies of Bleach, Naruto (two words: Black. Star.), D.Gray-Man, Ouran Host Club, and many other insanely popular series.
I guess Yen+ wouldn&#039;t be for every reader, but I feel this anthology is definitely a winner! The only thing I hope for is alternating color pages. It makes it a lot easier to flip to the particular series you want to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually enjoyed the fact that Yen+ included so many different genres. While I am a subscriber to Shojo Beat, I actually own more Shonen Jump (or SJAdvanced) manga. I don't say, "Oh, I only read romance," or "ACTION ONLY!" because if I did, I'd be missing out on a ton of awesome stories. Yen+ allowed me (and other manga readers like me) to pick up one anthology rather than two. I felt that the selection was quite good in that it showcased series I'd normally never even glance at. Let's admit it, most people ignore series not published by Viz or Tokyopop unless we've heard about the series or author. I picked up this anthology because of Soul Eater (I had seen some episodes of the anime on the internet and loved it), but now I like most of the titles. I guess I wasn't as bothered by the "creepy fanservice", as I'm used to seeing it in many different series and don't find it all too creepy or surprising. Just to let you know, while Soul Eater does like to keep it's women buxom and its boys perverted, I'm pretty sure there aren't anymore bathtub scenes; I think you might enjoy the tongue-in-cheek parodies of Bleach, Naruto (two words: Black. Star.), D.Gray-Man, Ouran Host Club, and many other insanely popular series.<br />
I guess Yen+ wouldn't be for every reader, but I feel this anthology is definitely a winner! The only thing I hope for is alternating color pages. It makes it a lot easier to flip to the particular series you want to read.</p>
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		<title>By: MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quick news roundup</title>
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		<dc:creator>MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quick news roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Danielle Leigh gives her take on the first issue of Yen+ at Comic Book Resources. She&#8217;ll be reading the second issue, and so will I. David Welsh [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Danielle Leigh gives her take on the first issue of Yen+ at Comic Book Resources. She&#8217;ll be reading the second issue, and so will I. David Welsh [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; July 30, 2008: A legal but unethical instrument</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; July 30, 2008: A legal but unethical instrument</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Johanna Draper Carlson and Danielle Leigh on the debut issue of the new manga anthology [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sononsj</title>
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		<dc:creator>sononsj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were actually giving the first issue away at SDCC. I should read it, it&#039;s pretty huge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were actually giving the first issue away at SDCC. I should read it, it's pretty huge.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Hatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Hatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Weâ€™re targeting this to the US market, and the US market is not big enough to approach it like you would in the Japanese market.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The trouble is, it&#039;s not as liberal as the Japanese market, either. in an era when Playboy magazine has to be sold in a sealed plastic baggie at 7-Eleven and the youth market for manga in the U.S. is booming, it only takes one jerk prosecutor to conflate those two things and launch an all-out war based on that &#039;creepy fanservice&#039; Danielle mentions to shut the whole thing down. They&#039;re not really going to be interested in the culture-clash defense. 

Shame really, because it sounds like a good idea in theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Weâ€™re targeting this to the US market, and the US market is not big enough to approach it like you would in the Japanese market.</p></blockquote>
<p>The trouble is, it's not as liberal as the Japanese market, either. in an era when Playboy magazine has to be sold in a sealed plastic baggie at 7-Eleven and the youth market for manga in the U.S. is booming, it only takes one jerk prosecutor to conflate those two things and launch an all-out war based on that 'creepy fanservice' Danielle mentions to shut the whole thing down. They're not really going to be interested in the culture-clash defense. </p>
<p>Shame really, because it sounds like a good idea in theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiamat's Disciple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiamat's Disciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yen+ is not aimed at any particular readership, and i can understand why in a way. I do think Jack frost should have been excluded, itâ€™s a bit to violent for me. there areso many other good manwha they coold have had such as ID or Uble Blatt.

As for why itâ€™s all mixed together, i think Kurt says it bets, so iâ€™ll QFT:

Weâ€™re targeting this to the US market, and the US market is not big enough to approach it like you would in the Japanese market. The Japanese market is so huge and well-developed, so it makes total sense to target a magazine to a specific demographic.

But when youâ€™re looking at a nascent market like the US, where so much of the readership crosses over to read books targeting different demographics, then you really have to take a broader perspective on it. So weâ€™re really not looking to limit it like, â€˜this is a boys magazineâ€™ or â€˜this is a girls magazineâ€™ â€“ this is a magazine for anyone interested in manga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yen+ is not aimed at any particular readership, and i can understand why in a way. I do think Jack frost should have been excluded, itâ€™s a bit to violent for me. there areso many other good manwha they coold have had such as ID or Uble Blatt.</p>
<p>As for why itâ€™s all mixed together, i think Kurt says it bets, so iâ€™ll QFT:</p>
<p>Weâ€™re targeting this to the US market, and the US market is not big enough to approach it like you would in the Japanese market. The Japanese market is so huge and well-developed, so it makes total sense to target a magazine to a specific demographic.</p>
<p>But when youâ€™re looking at a nascent market like the US, where so much of the readership crosses over to read books targeting different demographics, then you really have to take a broader perspective on it. So weâ€™re really not looking to limit it like, â€˜this is a boys magazineâ€™ or â€˜this is a girls magazineâ€™ â€“ this is a magazine for anyone interested in manga.</p>
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