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		<title>By: tk.</title>
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		<dc:creator>tk.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Josten should be number one.  Best costume, and glowing eyes to boot, and if there&#039;s anything more terrifying than supervillains, it&#039;s ginormous supervillains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Josten should be number one.  Best costume, and glowing eyes to boot, and if there's anything more terrifying than supervillains, it's ginormous supervillains.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackjak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that you mention it, Clint&#039;s costume is pretty darn awful!!!

At least Bill had a decent six-pack to boast of... Clint&#039;s looks more like he&#039;s strapping his man-boobs in...  And he has no abdominal musculature whatsoever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that you mention it, Clint's costume is pretty darn awful!!!</p>
<p>At least Bill had a decent six-pack to boast of... Clint's looks more like he's strapping his man-boobs in...  And he has no abdominal musculature whatsoever!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People seem to forget that as Goliath, Josten also had his ionic powers restored, so he had the powers of Pym and Wonder Man.  

By the way, Clint&#039;s Goliath costume was much worse than Bill&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People seem to forget that as Goliath, Josten also had his ionic powers restored, so he had the powers of Pym and Wonder Man.  </p>
<p>By the way, Clint's Goliath costume was much worse than Bill's.</p>
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		<title>By: Jbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m honestly surprised they&#039;re planning an Ant-Man film rather than just folding his story into the Avengers movie, and the same with Thor. I mean, they haven&#039;t seemed to be able to handle Pym&#039;s character well in the comics forever. The whole domestic abuse thing would have been an interesting element if we didn&#039;t have those pre-Bendis runs where literally every other issue had someone say something vaguely related to wife-beating and everyone winces and then someone give a long speech about how Ant-Man hit the Wasp, which is of course exactly what happens every day after an incident of domestic abuse.

No wonder they wanted to Skrull him quick.

But look at us - Bill Foster post quickly becomes Hank Pym thread. NO PROGRESS!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm honestly surprised they're planning an Ant-Man film rather than just folding his story into the Avengers movie, and the same with Thor. I mean, they haven't seemed to be able to handle Pym's character well in the comics forever. The whole domestic abuse thing would have been an interesting element if we didn't have those pre-Bendis runs where literally every other issue had someone say something vaguely related to wife-beating and everyone winces and then someone give a long speech about how Ant-Man hit the Wasp, which is of course exactly what happens every day after an incident of domestic abuse.</p>
<p>No wonder they wanted to Skrull him quick.</p>
<p>But look at us - Bill Foster post quickly becomes Hank Pym thread. NO PROGRESS!!</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Dantas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis Dantas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first Immortus story had him summoning what was supposed to be the Biblical Goliath to fight the Avengers.  It was later retconned into a Dire Wraith, then into a Space Phantom.

AFAIK Bill Foster was never properly a member of a superteam.  But he had a fair share of spotlight in the Champions.  Although he did claim to be no match for Stiltman (!) and ended up fighting the Stranger&#039;s constructs while the Champions were up against Kamo Tharn and the Nullifier Bomb,

They just don&#039;t write comics as they did in the 1970s anymore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first Immortus story had him summoning what was supposed to be the Biblical Goliath to fight the Avengers.  It was later retconned into a Dire Wraith, then into a Space Phantom.</p>
<p>AFAIK Bill Foster was never properly a member of a superteam.  But he had a fair share of spotlight in the Champions.  Although he did claim to be no match for Stiltman (!) and ended up fighting the Stranger's constructs while the Champions were up against Kamo Tharn and the Nullifier Bomb,</p>
<p>They just don't write comics as they did in the 1970s anymore...</p>
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		<title>By: Lynxara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynxara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mention of the &quot;real&quot; Goliath brought to mind a story from Superman&#039;s Pal, Jimmy Olsen, where Jimmy goes back in time and becomes David. Goliath sets a trap for him by pretending to be his friend, saving him from crap, until the real David shows up and wants to know why the hell a guy pretending to be him is hanging out with the enemy. Goliath then tries to kill Jimmy and David and I believe gets his biblical comeuppance for it. 

I also want to say he was one of the jerks Immortus summoned to fight the Avengers, but looking it up would require having to read that thing again. I seem to recall Hawkeye beating him by shooting an arrow into his temple, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mention of the "real" Goliath brought to mind a story from Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen, where Jimmy goes back in time and becomes David. Goliath sets a trap for him by pretending to be his friend, saving him from crap, until the real David shows up and wants to know why the hell a guy pretending to be him is hanging out with the enemy. Goliath then tries to kill Jimmy and David and I believe gets his biblical comeuppance for it. </p>
<p>I also want to say he was one of the jerks Immortus summoned to fight the Avengers, but looking it up would require having to read that thing again. I seem to recall Hawkeye beating him by shooting an arrow into his temple, though.</p>
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		<title>By: wwk5d</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwk5d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was Bill &quot;Goliath&quot; Foster ever on any super teams?

I&#039;d love a Goliath the Killer Whale series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Bill "Goliath" Foster ever on any super teams?</p>
<p>I'd love a Goliath the Killer Whale series.</p>
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		<title>By: Filrouge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Filrouge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Mr. Cronin actually did this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Mr. Cronin actually did this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Thenodrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thenodrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see a Top Five Hank Pym Superhero Identities.

My suggestion would be:

5: Yellowjacket (Rita was a much better YJ, IMHO)
4. Goliath
3. Giant-Man (beats out Goliath in that he wasn&#039;t stuck at a specific height)
2. Ant Man
1. Dr. Pym (A scientist actually uses his mind to defeat problems rather than using the backstory to explain his super-science superpower that bashes enemies. Instead, he makes plans and contingencies and uses a passive power to equip himself for eventualities he has already thought through. He even has a unique power, which none of his other personas could claim. I think that it was a gimick we don&#039;t see often enough.)

To comment on the actual topic, I agree with the list order and reasons.  :-)

Theno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd like to see a Top Five Hank Pym Superhero Identities.</p>
<p>My suggestion would be:</p>
<p>5: Yellowjacket (Rita was a much better YJ, IMHO)<br />
4. Goliath<br />
3. Giant-Man (beats out Goliath in that he wasn't stuck at a specific height)<br />
2. Ant Man<br />
1. Dr. Pym (A scientist actually uses his mind to defeat problems rather than using the backstory to explain his super-science superpower that bashes enemies. Instead, he makes plans and contingencies and uses a passive power to equip himself for eventualities he has already thought through. He even has a unique power, which none of his other personas could claim. I think that it was a gimick we don't see often enough.)</p>
<p>To comment on the actual topic, I agree with the list order and reasons.  <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Theno</p>
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		<title>By: Lothor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lothor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t the &quot;real&quot; Goliath (the guy David fought) ever apper in a comic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn't the "real" Goliath (the guy David fought) ever apper in a comic?</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If Reggie Hudlin stops writing comic books any time soon, then Tom Foster, cousin (or is it nephew?) of Bill Foster will probably be his best creation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Co-creation.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&amp;id=12115&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Greg Pak&lt;/a&gt; pitched the idea of Tom Foster to his editor for use in World War Hulk, and learned that Hudlin had thought of something similar.  So Tom got a cameo introduction in the pages of Black Panther (without being named), and then started showing up in the Hulk&#039;s book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If Reggie Hudlin stops writing comic books any time soon, then Tom Foster, cousin (or is it nephew?) of Bill Foster will probably be his best creation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Co-creation.  <a href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&amp;id=12115" rel="nofollow">Greg Pak</a> pitched the idea of Tom Foster to his editor for use in World War Hulk, and learned that Hudlin had thought of something similar.  So Tom got a cameo introduction in the pages of Black Panther (without being named), and then started showing up in the Hulk's book.</p>
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		<title>By: The Indestructible Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Indestructible Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since SLG has been putting out GARGOYLES comics, I&#039;d have to go for their Goliath, personally -- you don&#039;t see Bill Foster sounding like Keith David!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since SLG has been putting out GARGOYLES comics, I'd have to go for their Goliath, personally -- you don't see Bill Foster sounding like Keith David!</p>
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		<title>By: JSpec</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Giant Man, Pym was only 10-12&#039; tall.  When he first returned as Goliath he was 25&#039; (so the perspective on #28 isn&#039;t too bad) but later wound up stuck at 10&#039; for a while (hence the cramming into jets).   

BTW Hank could totally take that killer whale!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Giant Man, Pym was only 10-12' tall.  When he first returned as Goliath he was 25' (so the perspective on #28 isn't too bad) but later wound up stuck at 10' for a while (hence the cramming into jets).   </p>
<p>BTW Hank could totally take that killer whale!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They used to cram him into the jets, so I don&#039;t think he was supposed to be more than 10 to 11 feet tall. It is a rather goofy &quot;power,&quot; though. Just pretend that... I don&#039;t know, the Avengers on that cover are all slouching.

Then again, I thought Dr Pym was a neat idea, although probably more for a kids toy line than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They used to cram him into the jets, so I don't think he was supposed to be more than 10 to 11 feet tall. It is a rather goofy "power," though. Just pretend that... I don't know, the Avengers on that cover are all slouching.</p>
<p>Then again, I thought Dr Pym was a neat idea, although probably more for a kids toy line than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarification guys, but are you sure Pym Goliath is only 10&#039; tall?  He seems to be way taller?  Is that an artist mistake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarification guys, but are you sure Pym Goliath is only 10' tall?  He seems to be way taller?  Is that an artist mistake?</p>
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		<title>By: Hal King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thought about Clint having a much more drastic reaction than Hank was that Pym had been using the formula to SHRINK and then return to normal size for quite a while before he went the giant route with it, and his body/metabolism/cell structure/whatever had thereby had time to make significant adjustments to it.

Concerning Hank&#039;s normal sized heroic identity, &quot;Dr. Pym, Scientific Adventurer&quot; was, as stated, shrinking and enlarging many various objects. But as his formula was explicitly stated to be biologically oriented, how was this possible? One other thing about the WCA&#039;s regular run: It was my understanding--and there might well have been somebody I was unaware of--that everybody who had ever used Pym&#039;s formula on a more or less regular basis (up to that time) except the Wasp (who was chairing the east coast group) was in the first issue of that comic, and I presumed it was no coincidence but the set-up for an upcoming plotline. Didn&#039;t happen, of course, at least not under that run of that creative team on that title. They--or somebody else--might have used the idea later, but if so, it just happens that I didn&#039;t hear about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thought about Clint having a much more drastic reaction than Hank was that Pym had been using the formula to SHRINK and then return to normal size for quite a while before he went the giant route with it, and his body/metabolism/cell structure/whatever had thereby had time to make significant adjustments to it.</p>
<p>Concerning Hank's normal sized heroic identity, "Dr. Pym, Scientific Adventurer" was, as stated, shrinking and enlarging many various objects. But as his formula was explicitly stated to be biologically oriented, how was this possible? One other thing about the WCA's regular run: It was my understanding--and there might well have been somebody I was unaware of--that everybody who had ever used Pym's formula on a more or less regular basis (up to that time) except the Wasp (who was chairing the east coast group) was in the first issue of that comic, and I presumed it was no coincidence but the set-up for an upcoming plotline. Didn't happen, of course, at least not under that run of that creative team on that title. They--or somebody else--might have used the idea later, but if so, it just happens that I didn't hear about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Filrouge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Filrouge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot &quot;O&quot; the Humanatee!, that is the kind of explanation I can believe in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot "O" the Humanatee!, that is the kind of explanation I can believe in.</p>
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		<title>By: "O" the Humanatee!</title>
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		<dc:creator>"O" the Humanatee!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Filrouge -

Hank has the HGH1 allele of the growth hormone gene, whereas Clint has the HGH2 allele.* Hence their different responses to the serum. You&#039;re welcome.

* All biology guaranteed completely made up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Filrouge -</p>
<p>Hank has the HGH1 allele of the growth hormone gene, whereas Clint has the HGH2 allele.* Hence their different responses to the serum. You're welcome.</p>
<p>* All biology guaranteed completely made up.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackjak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re; Avengers63...

10&quot; or 10&#039;... 

We&#039;re talking Spinal Tap Stonehenge issues here... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re; Avengers63...</p>
<p>10" or 10'... </p>
<p>We're talking Spinal Tap Stonehenge issues here... <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scavenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scavenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the Dr. Pym period..  Applied use of powers rather than blatant use.  That&#039;s just good stuff!</description>
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