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What I bought - 6 August 2008
Another week, and I'm still in a bit of a funk. Fret not - school starts next week, and I will be one child lighter and, let's hope, more inclined to care about comics. But I'll give it the old college try this week! Under the fold: more Radical books, a couple of old issues I got at San Diego, the God of All Comics, and is that ... a comic from Archaia? Why yes, it is! It's a Festivus Miracle!
Caliber: First Canon of Justice #4 (of 5) by Sam Sarkar (writer), Garrie Gastonny (artist), Imaginary Friends Studios (colorists), and Annie Parkhouse (letterer). $2.99, 24 pgs, FC, Radical Comics.
I'm still frustrated by this comic, because it looks nice, and the idea of setting the story of King Arthur in Ye Olde West is a pretty good one - as an archetype, Arthur works in a lot of settings, and this is one of them - but it's not working as well as the other Radical book I've been reading. There's something off about it, as if Sarkar has so many ideas about where the story should go that he's cramming it all into this mini-series, so we get several panels that are completely disjointed from the surrounding ones. I know what Sarkar is doing - building tension by showing several scenes simultaneously - but it doesn't work very well. Meanwhile, characters appear and re-appear almost at random, and although I'm sure this will read better as a whole, it's jarring reading it in installments. But I am looking forward to the final issue (of this "chapter," because it's implied that there are more planned), because I'm curious to see how Sarkar pulls it all together. I certainly hope he does.
Criminal vol. 2 #4 by Ed Brubaker (writer), Sean Phillips (artist), and Val Staples (colorist). $3.50, 33 pgs, FC, Marvel/Icon.
The creator of Frank Kafka, P. I. gets the spotlight, and I bet you can't guess that he has a shadowy past, he meets a devastatingly beautiful femme fatale who hops into bed with him but wants something from him, and he's compelled to do it. What? You mean you did guess that? Damn.
I'm making light of this, but that's only because I'm always impressed by Brubaker's ability to take the absolutely familiar tropes of noir and make them exhilirating. The story unfolds almost exactly as you would expect it to, but the little touches - like Frank Kafka himself advising our hero, Jake - are what make this such a fun book. And, of course, we don't expect things to end well (this is part one of four, so we'll have to wait a while for that), but with this kind of set-up, anything can happen, and it's always fun finding out what does and how it goes down. Plus, Phillips does a nice job, as usual, altering his style to draw Kafka, which makes his unreality all the more, well, unreal.
And, of course, the backmatter is interesting and includes an interview with Charles Ardai of Hard Case Crime, which publishes pulp novels. The interview is interesting enough, but the covers of some of the books were phenomenal. I'm dying to read The Vengeful Virgin ("They Burned Bright - Till the Flames Consumed Them!") and the book with the greatest straight-forward title in history - Somebody Owes Me Money. Damn, there are some cool-looking book at that site.
Anyway, it's another great issue. But you already knew that.
Final Crisis #3 (of 7) by Grant "I Blinded You With Science!" Morrison (writer), J. G. Jones (artist), Alex Sinclair (colorist), and Rob Leigh (letterer). $3.99, 30 pgs, FC, DC.
As with the first two issues of this, it's kind of pointless to review it. As I wrote when the first issue came out, you're either reading this because a) You bought Identity Crisis, you bought Infinite Crisis, you bought two goddamned years of weekly comics, you're buying another goddamned weekly comic, and by God you're going to finish this mess no matter what anyone says!; or b) You're a Whorrison, and he never writes something bad or even slightly uneven and he shits gold bricks and cancer-healing beams shoot out of his eye sockets! Either way, it's not like anyone is going to convince you NOT to buy it. Similarly, if you're one of those crazy, deluded, sad people who don't like Morrison and are so intellectually stunted you just don't get his genius, I can't help you. You're like Peter, denying Christ, or, to put it into nerd-speak, the Dwarfs sitting in the dark stable while the Pevenseys went on to glory. What's wrong with you people????
I do have some questions/comments, though. As he ignores other parts of established DC continuity, why couldn't the God of All Comics have ignored the stupid evil headquarters from the SuperFriends? Maybe he really likes it. That would be disappointing. Why does it say "Louis" on Lois' armband? How is Oliver "tracking down J'onn's murderers" when it looks like he was just getting it on with Dinah? Was he just taking a quick sex break before he got back to his investigation? Oh, and shut up, Ollie. And given the way Mary Marvel looks, how badly do Morrison and Jones miss Oubliette from Marvel Boy? And if he doesn't explain it better (and it doesn't look like he will), that Internet virus thing is pretty stupid. We'll see.
Anyway, it's pretty (although it does look rushed on a couple of pages), fanboyish, and interesting. I like it, but can see why people wouldn't. And I probably won't get into more detail until it's finished. That is all.
Freedom Formula #1 (of 5) by Edmund Shern (writer), Chester Ocampo (artist), Kai (artist), and Stanley Ong (letterer). $2.99, 28 pgs, FC, Radical Comics.
This is the second Radical book I read this week, and it's quite good. It's a somewhat typical science fiction story, but it's done well, with some nice action, some intrigue, a decent cliffhanger, and fine art. As we've seen so far from Radical, the art is slick, with a combination of painted art, computer graphics, and some slightly rougher pencil art, and the combination really helps the book. There's a double-paged spread of two vehicles crashing into each other that's breathtaking, with shattered panels, vivid coloring, and a nice placement of the characters within the pages, making them look even more insignificant next to the machines. It's a very nice-looking comic.
The story, as I mentioned, is fairly typical, but engaging. In the future, corporations run the world and run a "deathrace" kind of thing instead of fighting wars, as a war almost destroyed the planet. A young man in the "wasteland" heads to the city to deliver a package. Along the way, he almost gets killed by one of the racers, which introduces him to a girl (always important) and gets him into the city. But once he's there, bad things happen to him. Of course. It's a fun set-up, and the world that the creators (four are credited) have come up with is intriguing. I recommend it, mostly for the art, but even the story is a decent start to the series.
Hercules: The Thracian Wars #4 (of 5) by Steve Moore (writer), Admira Wijaya (artist), Imaginary Friends Studios (colorist), Sixth Creation (colorist), and Todd Klein (letterer). $2.99, 24 pgs, FC, Radical Comics.
It's the third Radical comic I read this week (and I'd like to point out that they sent them to me for free, and I'd like to thank them very much for them, because that's very cool of them), and I'm still liking it the most. The Greeks, who last issue discovered that the Thracian king was planning to invade Greece and even Mount Olympus, are themselves discovered and locked up. Hercules tries to come up with a scheme to escape, but learns a rule we all learned when we, like, five years old: Never trust a Thracian woman! I mean, come on! It's one of the classic blunders: You never get involved in a land war in Asia, you never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line, and you never trust a Thracian woman! This, however, just gives Hercules an opportunity to go all son-of-a-god ape-shit on the Thracians, and boy howdy, it's fun to watch. Of course, Herc and his band decide to take the fight straight to King Cotys. That stupid Thracian doesn't know what he's in for!
As usual, this is horribly bloody, terribly cynical, and wildly entertaining. It's not a great comic, but it's quite a good read.
Hybrid Bastards! #1 and 2 (of 3) by Tom Pinchuk (writer) and Kate Glasheen (artist). $3.50, 22 pgs, FC, Archaia Studios Press.
I bought this at the Archaia booth in San Diego, but they came out quite a while ago. Thanks to the problems with Archaia recently, the third issue hasn't arrived yet, but maybe it will be out soon. With that in mind, should you pick up the first two issues?
It's pretty good, with an interesting concept. Years ago, Hera (of the Greek gods) got so pissed at Zeus for screwing anything that moved that she put a curse on him. For one night he couldn't stop screwing inanimate objects, and as his seed is so potent, children were born of those liaisons. Eighteen years later, those offspring have come of age and have no purpose in life. They are, after all, freaks - sentient beings that look like their "mothers" - a wall, an apple, cotton, and a part of a car. One of their brothers brings them together (he's the normal-looking one) and they swear revenge on Zeus for spawning them. Hilarity ensues!
It's a nice, breezy read. There's betrayal (of course) and sex, but it's all in good fun. Pinchuk does a good job with the Greek gods, who are naturally far removed from their glory days. He does a poorer job with the offspring (excepting their names, which are rather brilliant), because they all come off as whiny teenagers - which of course they are, but it gets a bit annoying. Pinchuk needs to work on his dialogue a bit, but the story hurtles along with such verve that it's easy to ignore the minor missteps when it comes to how the characters talk. It's all hyper-real, after all, so perhaps a more naturalistic version of dialogue would drag the book down a bit. Pinchuk does manage to address the fact that these ... things aren't human, and therefore might have some problems fitting in. The fate of one of the characters is honestly a bit tragic, even in a somewhat wacky story like this.
Glasheen's art is gloriously sloppy, as she goes a bit nuts with panel and character design. The characters are freaks, after all, so they can look a bit wild, and she doesn't disappoint. This leads to trouble occasionally, especially when it comes to Cotton, the character who appears to consist completely of socks. As he has no standard shape, it's difficult in a few panels to figure out what he's doing. Glasheen's desire to throw everything into the blender and see what pops out, part of the book's strength, is also a detriment to her storytelling abilities in a few instances, as it's difficult to decipher what's going on. Like Pinchuk's story, however, it's easy to overlook the problems with the art when there's so much goofy insanity going on. And, when the book takes that odd (but not inappropriate) tragic turn, the two pages she uses to show what happens are excellent.
You can tell this is a rough work by relative newcomers to the field, but it's a fun comic with a great idea behind it, and it's certainly unlike most of the comics out there. The first two issues are probably around, and there's some evidence that Archaia is beginning to get books out again (see below), so maybe we'll see the conclusion soon!
The Invincible Iron Man #4 by Matt Fraction (writer), Salvador Larroca (artist), Frank D'Armata (colorist), and Chris Eliopoulos (letterer). $2.99, 25 pgs, FC, Marvel.
Because I am a HUGE tool, I'll point out that on page 1, Tony Stark narrates: "Reed Richards. Sometimes I think he's the only person alive smarter than me." Apparently, even the second-smartest (or smartest, depending on how he's feeling that day) person alive doesn't know correct grammar! Good stuff.
It's odd, in this day and age, with a backlash against the six-issue arc building, to read a comic so very 2004. Especially when it's written by Fraction, who has done wonders with comics stripped to the bone. This comic has had some nice touches, but it feels interminable, and although I know I'm going to finish the arc (two more issues to go!), I can't imagine it picking up so much that I'll continue with it. This could be a tight, gripping, four-issue arc, but instead we get pages like the one on which a man in a wheelchair gets something from a locker. An entire page of that! People complain about Morrison not showing us every single thing that happens in Final Crisis, instead showing the aftermath and relying on us to fill in the blanks, but do they want this? Once Tony says they can put Stark tech on the black market and trace it, there's absolutely no need to see this happening. Cut to where the tracer comes on-line at the end of this issue. There's a lot of that in this issue - filler. Plus, lines like "1982 called, Magnum. It wants to know where you parked the Ferrari" are the kind of things that make it into first drafts because they're momentarily humorous but should be axed by the time a second reading is done. It's a childishly funny line, and it's beneath Fraction.
I like Fraction's writing a lot, and I don't think this is a terribly good example of it. As it's a six-issue arc and all, and Fraction has rewarded us in the past, I'm sticking with it, but except for the first issue, I'm unimpressed with this comic.
Oh, and why does it look like Venom is growing out of Tony's armpit on page 7? That's some seriously fucked-up underarm hair, Mr. Stark!
On a completely unrelated note, there's an ad for Spider-Man Crocs in this issue. I read this issue just after reading this, which a friend of mine sent to me. So the Crocs ad was even funnier than it was probably intended to be.
The Killer #7 (of 10) by Matz (writer/translator), Luc Jacamon (artist), Edward Gauvin (translator), and Marshall Dillon (letterer). $3.95, 30 pgs, FC, Archaia Studios Press.
Holy crap, it's a new comic from Archaia! Does this mean their publication schedule will pick up, or is this just a random event? (This is the first Archaia book since March, I believe, and the last issue of this book came out in October.) This book was not on the shipping list that Diamond puts out every week, so I didn't know it was arriving, but it certainly portends good things for the troubled publisher. If they can publish this, they can publish anything, right? I have been very disappointed that Archaia, which over the past two-and-a-half years has put out some of the best books on the market, shut down for a while to "restructure." But this might be a ray of hope!
As for the issue, well, it's good. Of course. It's part 7 of 10, so I doubt you're going to jump on now, but it's certainly intriguing, as our killer hides in plain sight (in the middle of Paris) after his house in South American was destroyed. He bides his time, learning what he can about the status quo, and finally, at the end, gets information about the people who destroyed his house and beat up his woman. Blood, presumably, will flow. Soon.
I'm just so jazzed to see this that it could have been 30 pages of our hero taking a dump and reading Ayn Rand. Now that would be a comic book!
Manhunter #33 by Marc Andreyko (writer), Michael Gaydos (artist), José Villarrubia (colorist), and Sal Cipriano (letterer). $2.99, 22 pgs, FC, DC.
There's just not a lot to say about the latest issue of Manhunter. We're smack dab in the middle of a story arc, so we find out some horrific things about the murders that Kate is investigating, and she uncovers some horrible things that Vesetech is doing. Meanwhile, the subplots continue, as something bad happens to Dylan and something very strange happens to Ramsey and his Skrull - I mean robot - dog. It's all very fascinating and gripping, and the ending, which features the Suicide Squad (who was present in the solicitations, so I'm not giving anything major away), is a well done cliffhanger. As usual, it's a good DC comic book because it ignores a lot of the DCU to do its own thing. Which also means its sales are still in the toilet, I would imagine.
One thing bugged me about this issue, and it's something I've harped on before, so you'll have to bear with me. Kate is talking to Oracle on the phone, and Babs is giving her some info about Vesetech. She mentions that they're one of the five largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Kate says, and I wish I were making this up, "So, they're stinkin' rich. That usually equals evil with a side of world domination in my experience." It's a stupid line, but it's nice in one way - rarely is the attitude of most comic book writers toward successful conglomerates stated so baldly. Usually it's just the fact that anyone who's stinkin' rich in the DC/Marvel Universes (with the exceptions of Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark) is portrayed as completely evil. It's not that I love multinational conglomerates - I'm a bit suspicious of them as well - but the childish and simplistic attitude most comic book writers have toward them (even though DC writers, you know, work for one) constantly bugs me. It's one of those pet peeves about comics I have. You may hate Claremont's overuse of "focused totality of her psychic powers." For me, it's this attitude toward business. Whatever.
Yes, it's still a good comic. Yes, I'm still going to buy it. But still.
Storming Paradise #2 (of 6?) by Chuck Dixon (writer), "Butch" Guice (penciller), Eduardo Barreto (inker), Carrie Stracham (colorist), Darlene Royer (colorist), and Sal Cipriano (letterer). $2.99, 22 pgs, FC, DC/Wildstorm.
Years ago I was watching The Punisher. No, not that johnny-come-lately version with the guy with the girl's last name, but the one, true movie version, with Dolph "I will break you" Lundgren and Lou Gossett Jr. (It was written by Boaz Yakin, who directed the absolutely stunning movie Fresh in 1994 and has never done anything remotely as good before or since. Weird.) Anyway, toward the end of the movie, the evil Asian lady (never trust an Asian woman!) holds a bunch of kids hostage. I thought to myself, "This movie gets five stars if she kills some kids." Now, was I a bloodthirsty young man (I was 18 when the movie came out)? Perhaps. But it was more the fact that I hated when creators (filmmakers, authors, comic book writers) put things in jeopardy that we know are not going to be harmed. That stupid dog in Independence Day is another example of this. I've mentioned this before, and it's always bothered me. Well, the evil Asian lady did not, in fact, kill any kids, and Lundgren's magnum opus would only get, at best, 2 stars on the Burgas scale. As for putting kids, dogs, old people, and other sacred cows in jeopardy, well, it's gotten "better" in recent years, with kids, particularly, getting blown away with stunning regularity. That bothers me, too, but for different reasons. My entire point is not that I want to see kids get slaughtered in movies, but if you're going to put certain people in jeopardy, make sure we believe they're actually in jeopardy. One of the brilliant things about that Batman movie you may have heard of (and I'm working on a monster post about that which is sure to piss everyone off) is that when the Joker puts some people in jeopardy (and no, I'm not going to spoil anything - you people who have already seen it know what I'm talking about!), we actually believe bad things will happen.
What in the hell does this have to do with Storming Paradise? Well, it's a war comic, and the United States has begun the invasion, and bad things happen to people that we don't usually expect bad things to happen to (man, that's some twisted syntax). It's a somewhat horrible moment, but I appreciated it, because it's something that would definitely occur if the Americans invaded Japan. So that was nice, in a horrific way.
Plus, Dixon is doing a good job with the racism inherent in the United States Army. It will be interesting seeing what happens with Jimmy and the fact that both sides would love to kill him, one side because he's a Japanese fighting on the American side and the other side because they think he's going to betray them.
Unfortunately, no John Wayne in this issue. Oh well. It's still a cool book.
That's all for this week. I should point out that, although I didn't review them (because I'm behind on my reading), it's Dwight MacPherson week! The Dead Men Tell No Tales trade is out, as is the Kid Houdini and the Silver Dollar Misfits OGN. Are they any good? I don't know, but one's about pirates, and the other is about young Harry Houdini! What more do you want!
Let's check out some totally random lyrics:
"We sailed through constellations and were rutted by the storm
I crumpled under cudgel blows and finally came ashore
I spent the next two years or more just staring at the wall
We went to sea to see the world and what d'you think we saw?
If we turned the table upside down and sailed around the bed
Clamped knives between our teeth and tied bandannas round our heads
With the wainscot our horizon and the ceiling as the sky
You'd not expect that anyone would go and fucking die"
What say all of you? Don't be shy!
- Posted on August 8, 2008 @ 04:10 PM






62 Comments
Tyson
August 8, 2008 at 4:23 pm
I'm sad!
Greg Burgas
August 8, 2008 at 4:35 pm
You're damn right you are, Tyson. Come over to our side - it's so groovy over here!
Bill Reed
August 8, 2008 at 4:37 pm
The comics medium needs MORE Magnum, PI references, not less! Get your priorities straight, Burgas!
Also: I played around with a big post on Dark Knight, but I think everyone else said what I was going to say better than I was probably going to say it. I am interested in your mammoth and controversial analysis.
Tyson
August 8, 2008 at 4:38 pm
No, no, I was all excited to be linked as sad. I'm honored, sir.
Now go drink your Kool-aid.
Greg Hatcher
August 8, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Don't forget Hard Case Crime also brings you the new Ms. Tree novel.
Dwight L. MacPherson
August 8, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Thanks for buying my books, Greg! I'm really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on Dead Men and Kid Houdini!
-D
TimCallahan
August 8, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Tony Stark's narration is presumably his thoughts, right? And he's supposed to think using standard English grammar? Do you think grammatically? I don't even think in complete sentences. Or write in them.
I read the first issue of Caliber and I'm glad to hear I'm not missing much. I thought the first issue was pretty terrible (and the art is fourth rate Alex Ross stuff--like what Marvel tried to pawn off in the early 90s when they realized that people liked painted art).
I'm in a bit of a comic reading funk too, but I thought that was because I was away from my comics for three weeks and they are overwhelming me. Maybe it's just that we've outgrown comics, finally. Took us long enough. Time to start the "Grownup Books Should be Good" blog. I think All-Star Superman #12 will snap us out of it in time.
Dean
August 8, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Could someone explain to me the genius that is Grant Morrison? I continue to think that Morrison is a horrible writer and would like to hear why he's so great. I just finished reading Final Crisis 3 and thought is really bad. Why would they need a draft to gather heroes together? It makes no sense considering how many times these heroes have gathered to save the world. It's just ridiculous. And that's just a beginning. So it would be nice to hear someone explain.
Greg Burgas
August 8, 2008 at 6:05 pm
I just found it funny, Tim, that in the very sentence where he thinks how smart he is, he screws up a rather easy grammatical construction. He does it again in a later thought. I am trying to ignore grammatical errors, especially when, as you point out, a character is "thinking," but I just loved that dichotomy. I agree, nobody thinks in complete sentences, especially the way they're presented in comic books. So if the thoughts are more fully formed than "real" thoughts, shouldn't they be grammatically correct, as well?
I still like reading comics, but I'm a bit burned out when it comes to writing about them. It happens to me every so often. I have a feeling having one fewer child around the house will help.
I'm looking forward to reading them, Dwight! I hope it won't be too long until I catch up on all my reading!
Greg Burgas
August 8, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Tim can probably do it better than I can (heck, most people can probably explain anything better than I can) what it is about Morrison, Dean, but I just think he's an interesting writer. He doesn't do things in the "normal" comic book way, so even when he fails (and unlike a lot of Whorrisons, I think he's failed quite a lot), it's an interesting experiment. And when he succeeds, it's dazzling. I agree that a lot of the stuff in Final Crisis hasn't worked (yet), including the idea of a superhero draft, but the very fact that he thinks of something like that is more interesting than just assuming all the superheroes would come together randomly. It's kind of a dumb idea, but at least he's trying something instead of rehashing the standard superhero stuff we've seen for 70 years. I have no idea how Final Crisis will pan out, but for me, at least, he's one of the few writers who I will trust to make it all work out. Occasionally this bites me in the ass (Invisibles, The Filth), but usually (for me), it results in fascinating comics.
Tracer Bullet
August 8, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Stark is so arrogant that Doom and T'Challa don't even make it into the conversation? He's a racist . . . and an Eastern Europeanist.
Bill Reed
August 8, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Dean, if you want to know why Morrison writes good comics, I could easily point you to about eight thousand other posts on this blog. But, to put it simply, Morrison's a good writer because he crafts literary works of fiction that also happen to be brain-bending, four-color adventures, most of the time. Pound for pound, he's the best idea man in comics, he's got one of the widest arrays of influences, and his work simply speaks to me in a way that no one else's does. Flex Mentallo changed my life.
That said, Final Crisis is okay.
Dan Bailey
August 8, 2008 at 7:16 pm
>>Don’t forget Hard Case Crime also brings you the new Ms. Tree novel.
Ummm ... it's been out for a year or so, no? Not that I've bought it, because I've been lazy & not in a mystery-reading mood, but still.
TimCallahan
August 8, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Dean, you could read my Morrison book to find out what he does in some of his comics that I would consider "good."
But as far as the draft is concerned--how did the heroes know to gather together in the past? What called them together? Usually it was someone--like Harbinger--or J'onn J'onzz. Why is a draft any sillier than that? (I did think sending draft notices in the mail was rather silly, but look at what the bad guys did with the internet! Technology is not to be trusted in the DCU!)
What do you think is so bad about his writing?
Dan Bailey
August 8, 2008 at 7:21 pm
>>Occasionally this bites me in the ass (Invisibles,
Oh, geez -- don't *say* that. I've only just completed the run & will be reading it soonish, & if I dislike it anywhere near as I did SEAGUY ... well, I'll probably turn back into a troll the next time the majesty of Morrison is alluded to on CSBG. (I also just got, & & haven't yet read, his MARVEL BOY, but at least that's only 6 issues vs 59 or however-many.)
Michael
August 8, 2008 at 8:09 pm
What, exactly, is Tony's grammatical error?
Greg Burgas
August 8, 2008 at 8:22 pm
The "me" at the end of the sentence should be "I". It's a fairly common grammatical error, and most people don't care, but that doesn't mean it's correct.
TimCallahan
August 8, 2008 at 9:01 pm
From http://orangetangerine.blogspot.com/2006/10/so-you-think-youre-smarter-than-me.html
Au contraire, mon pest. A recent Language Log post linked to an older post explaining why either me or I is correct. Per the Columbia Guide to Standard American English:
"Than is both a subordinating conjunction, as in She is wiser than I am, and a preposition, as in She is wiser than me. As subject of the clause introduced by the conjunction than, the pronoun must be nominative, and as object of the preposition than, the following pronoun must be in the objective case. ...Some commentators believe that the conjunction is currently more frequent than the preposition, but both are unquestionably Standard."
TimCallahan
August 8, 2008 at 9:02 pm
The rules, they are a-changin', Greg. Way to not keep up with your Columbia guides.
Greg Burgas
August 8, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Confound it! Thwarted again by the Columbia Guide to Standard English! Damn you, Callahan!!!!!!
Da Fug
August 8, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Count me in for a controversial post on The Dark Knight. I didn't see it until a few days ago (YAY, I no longer have to avoid every post that mentions it!) and I certainly didn't enjoy it any MORE than the first one. I liked it, but I had many quibbles.
And although I'm sometimes a bit of a grammar cop, "smarter than I" is STUPID. It just sounds/reads wrong. I agree with Tony Stark's brilliant and grammatically incorrect brain.
Apodaca
August 8, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Getting bugged by people dissing conglomerates is a waste of brain power, Greg.
People with power do unethical things to maintain and increase that power. That's proven true across the board. It's not just childish rebellion against corporations.
ZZZ
August 8, 2008 at 10:23 pm
I've been enjoying Final Crisis, and while I don't love his ouvre as much as some people, I think that Morrison is usually pretty good and almost always very interesting. So please don't throw anything at me when I ask this but...
Did it feel to anyone else like Morrison either doesn't know that a "superhero draft" was essentially the central plot device in Civil War (and that comics fans in general - or at least the Internet-vocal ones - roundly rejected it as a stupid idea) or does realize it and is trying to show that he can do it better than Marvel did? At t
Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with either possibility. I just really stood out to me during those scenes in the book. At the very least it would seem odd if he was conscious of the comparability but didn't have it in mind when writing FC.
Andy
August 8, 2008 at 10:38 pm
I think the draft thing was mostly just to give some suggestion of the differences in psychology between Alan Scott, and say, Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne.
You've got to round up a bunch of combatants to go and kick some bad guy's arse. How do you handle this?
Clark, naturally, has one of his far out alien buddies send out a telepathic e-vite.
Bruce, say, tries to manipulate them into doing what he wants without their even knowing it.
Alan Scott, who's prime was spent dealing with WWII, naturally thinks in terms of a draft. I don't think it's meant to be taken literally, in the sense that if someone opted not to show up, Green Lantern would send out a contigent to attempt to arrest them. First, that, admittedly, would be stupid and out-of-character, and second, he doesn't really have the authority to do that and he knows it.
So, to reiterate, I think it's just meant to give us a small glimpse as to how DC's major heroes all have unique perspectives and approaches. I am in favor of this.
(I am also, incidently, in favor of letting someone other than the Trinity be the Big Boss for a change.)
Andy
August 8, 2008 at 10:38 pm
who's=whose
Gotta keep that spelling/grammar tight.
Andrew Collins
August 9, 2008 at 12:21 am
The Ms. Tree novel is more or less a re-telling of the first story from the comics, but it's still very well written and worth it for anybody who enjoys or wants to know more about the character.
Also, that Luis Royo on Caliber is beautiful. I hope it makes it into his next art book...
wwk5d
August 9, 2008 at 4:23 am
Personally, while I think Morrison is a good writer, I don't see him as a great writer. Certainly not the greatest comic book writer since paper was invented, at any rate. My main problem/dislike is that, apart from finding him a bit too self-indulgant at times, is that while I think he sometimes has good idea man, it's his details when executing those ideas that turn me off. His ideas sometimes get a bit too out of control and distract from just telling a good story. Not sure if that makes any sense....just saying, I know many people like the ideas and believe he does tell good stories, those were just my opinions. P
lease allow me time to run away before you start chasing after me with torches and pitchforks
Stefan
August 9, 2008 at 5:09 am
Man, I thought Invincible Iron Man #4 was one of the best issues I've read this year.
To each his own I suppose.
But I don't know too many brilliant people who bother to use correct grammar in every sentence unless they're doing an official paper or an article. People don't usually think in correct grammar, either. That sentence could stand to be perfected, grammatically speaking, but it rings a lot truer as something somebody would say than the correct grammar would.
JCAll
August 9, 2008 at 6:33 am
"...I am." "...only person alive smarter than I am."
Greg Burgas
August 9, 2008 at 7:37 am
Dan: If what you say is true (and I agree with you), then why aren't all these superheroes with power running around doing unethical things? That's what bugs me. It's assumed that individuals with power are above reproach, while corporations, who often have to answer to stockholders, are running around doing evil things. I don't have a problem with assuming that powerful entities are going to abuse that power, as we've seen it so very often, but that extends to superheroes too. That's all I mean when I get grumpy about it.
wwk5d: That's not a bad criticism of Morrison at all. He does come up short on execution occasionally. I think he comes through more often than not, however. And he is trying new things, which I appreciate.
I'll try to keep my grammar thoughts to myself! Sometimes I can't help myself!
Alan Coil
August 9, 2008 at 7:47 am
JCAll has it right. The correct version is "...smarter than I am." When shortened by letting the verb be assumed, it is "...smarter than I".
I don't care what the Columbian Drug Lords Alternative Dictionary says, "...smarter than me" just ain't right.
jccalhoun
August 9, 2008 at 8:18 am
Morrison's Animal Man is the best thing he's ever done. Doom Patrol is probably second. Other than that, Morrison isn't all that great. He certainly isn't a must read for me. Heck, I get more excited when I hear Tim Truman is writing something than I do when Morrison is.
Ian A.
August 9, 2008 at 8:30 am
Judging a Hard Case Crime book by its cover (and blurb) led me to buying Grave Descend, and that novel was fucking abysmal. No hook. Thinly drawn characters. A nonsensical eleventh hour twist. Total bullshit.
Hopefully, the rest of their slate is much, much better.
'Cause The Vengeful Virgin does sound really tempting.
Pedro Bouça
August 9, 2008 at 9:29 am
About that Chuck Dixon war book, it takes into account that Soviet Union was planning to do its own Japan invasion weeks before the american one? And that the scale of that invasion (the russians were transfering a good part of its HUGE army to the east, including far more armor that the US couls possibly muster) and its target (the undefended northern japanese coast) mean that the commies would probably conquer the country well before the US could?
Well, it should.
Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)
Andrew Brown
August 9, 2008 at 9:37 am
>that Batman movie you may have heard of (and I’m working on a monster post about that which is sure to piss everyone off)
Sounds like I'm not the only one who didn't like the Dark Knight. I thought I was alone, amongnst the millionsof people who don't mind a Batman movie where Batman is not the main character. Plus, it was too long and no one has given me a satisfying explanation for that logic jump (the police hunting batman) at the end. Sorry if I just ruined the ending for the three people who haven't seen it yet.
Rebis
August 9, 2008 at 9:39 am
Agreed that Morrison's very best work is still his (relative) earliest: "Animal Man" and "Doom Patrol." If you're one of those people who can't understand all the "Whorrison" love, then you probably oughtta buy those two series (the entire runs are both avialable in trade, I do believe). Then you'll know. That said, he's written some kick-ass later work ("We3") and lots of his other stuff is mostly wonderful, especially "All-Star Superman" and most of his "JLA" and "New X-Men" and "Seven Soldiers." Also, as mainstream "event" comics go, I loved his "DC One Million" (didn't bother reading the rest of the crossovers, just his main 5-issue arc), so I am more than happy to stick with "Final Crisis." (FWIW, I'm "meh" on "Batman" and gave up on "The Filth." "Invisibles" was a very mixed bag that deserves a full re-reading, from start to finish, which I'll get to some day.)
Greg, on the issue of power corrupting: There ARE plenty of people with superpowers running around the DUC (and the Marvel U and any other fictional U) doing unethical, even horrendous things: They're called superVILLAINS. The heroes are the ones who (usually) make the honorable, moral choices involving self-sacrifice, not selfishness. So it's silly to argue that comics writers shouldn't bash big corporations just because these writers craft stories about individual beings with great power.
In fact, when some writers try to tell "shades of gray" stories about the heroes' choices and behavior — I'm thinking Tony Stark et al. going all Big Brother in "Civil War," or the JLA deciding (after a close debate) to mind-wipe in "Identity Crisis" — many readers get all upset, even outraged. There's a huge resistance within fandom to entertain the possibility that heroes might be pushed into making bad decisions. Without bothering to comment on the overall quality of those two miniseries, they were nevertheless über-high-profile stories. So It amuses me when you ask, "Why aren’t all these superheroes with power running around doing unethical things?"
Meanwhile, here on Earth-Prime, there endless examples from every era of Big Business doing the wrong thing just to make a few people rich. The fact that the executives supposedly answer to stockholders doesn't seem to matter; those stock investors want big profit margins, and apparently they don't ask too many questions about how those margins are maintained. (Ignorance is bliss.) Whether we're talking about Enron bilking workers out of pensions or Wal-Mart actively union-busting, it happens all the time. For every high-profile example that ends up making headlines, there are umpteen other examples that affect the average worker or consumer but don't end up being big news. Sure, Greg, I agree that not every CEO is Gordon Gekko, but I don't think it's a stretch to imagine blatantly immoral choices made by corporate decision-makers.
On a lighter note: That aside about Crocs was great. Thanks for the link to that Newsweek piece — I laughed out loud. Good and funny stuff. (Although that writer, too, apparently struggles with decompression. The essay would've been better at half the length.)
Apodaca
August 9, 2008 at 9:59 am
"If what you say is true (and I agree with you), then why aren’t all these superheroes with power running around doing unethical things? That’s what bugs me. It’s assumed that individuals with power are above reproach, while corporations, who often have to answer to stockholders, are running around doing evil things. I don’t have a problem with assuming that powerful entities are going to abuse that power, as we’ve seen it so very often, but that extends to superheroes too. That’s all I mean when I get grumpy about it."
Well, they do sometimes, for one. That was the whole point of Identity Crisis, as far as I understand it.
But also, it's because one of those subjects is based in reality (where corporations do operate tyranically, unless forced to stop), and the other is not. Thus, it becomes easier for the fan to believe that a superhero could be intrinsically good. There aren't any glaring, factual examples to argue otherwise.
Rohan Williams
August 9, 2008 at 10:02 am
Andrew Brown said...
"Plus, it was too long and no one has given me a satisfying explanation for that logic jump (the police hunting batman) at the end. Sorry if I just ruined the ending for the three people who haven’t seen it yet."
This kinda reminds me of the weird tangential debate that broke out after Cronin's latest 'Theory of Comics', because it seems like one of those cases where not understanding something really is, objectively, the fault of the viewer and not the work. Gordon spells out that 'logic leap' for his little kid, and in a handy bit of foreshadowing, Alfred spells it out to Rachel earlier. All the explanation is in the movie itself, IMO.
But then I didn't love 'Batman Begins' all that much, so I can certainly see why someone wouldn't like a Chris Nolan Bat-movie.
Dean
August 9, 2008 at 10:17 am
Well, I will agree that Morrison sometimes has good ideas, not here in Final Crisis, but I did enjoy Animal Man, but with Doom Patrol, I just felt like he was trying to come up the weirdest ideas possible and that it got in the way of good story telling. My biggest problem with him is his dialogue. It almost never comes across as natural to me, and is often confusing. There are some lines in Final Crisis, I can't remember which ones specifically, that I just didn't understand what they were trying to tell. Plus, at least in Final Crisis, I don't think that he's bringing across the threat that well. He's spent more time showing us how he's taken the big players off the playing field that bringing any real sense of urgency. So far to me, this series is just coming across as a revamp of the New Gods, and I don't find this version very interesting or original. In fact, I'd have to say, even looking at what I may consider Morrison's strong points, creativity, this series has almost none of that. Most of the ideas have been done before and recently. Of course, I put some of the blame on Didio because I have a feeling as with most of what's coming out of DC, that Didio has his fingers too far in, and he's not letting his writers do what they do best, write.
Andrew Brown
August 9, 2008 at 10:19 am
Yes, he spells it out to his kid simplistically for all the ten year olds out there. But it still does not in any way make sense logically. Batman saves people over and over and over again, even beating down the SWAT at the end is for a good reason. But, all of a sudden people hate batman and the police are hunting him down because... Oh wait, I didn't actually see that in the Dark Knight? Just some copout scene where batman says he must look like the villain for Harvey's image, and Gordon backing him up by saying he's going to tell the police batmans CRAZY and hurting cops for shits and giggles. lame.
Alan Coil
August 9, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Rebis said:
"In fact, when some writers try to tell “shades of gray†stories about the heroes’ choices and behavior — I’m thinking Tony Stark et al. going all Big Brother in “Civil War,†or the JLA deciding (after a close debate) to mind-wipe in “Identity Crisis†— many readers get all upset, even outraged."
No, readers got upset about Tony Stark because the set-up sucked. There was no gradual move to Iron Man being a prick. It was ham-handed writing.
I also don't think people were all that upset about the mind-wipe in Identity Crisis. I think they were more upset because of the portrayal of the rape. Had that scene happened off camera, it would have had less impact, obviously, but it wouldn't have encountered all the internet angst it did. More ham-handed writing.
Dan
August 9, 2008 at 12:54 pm
These tangential discussions are always fun...
Andrew, I think you have to ask yourself what the average person in Gotham sees and thinks about the Batman. Do they see him saving people? Or do they see his actions in the paper and on the nightly news? Given that, it would seem to be relatively easy to paint a guy that dresses like a bat and beats people up as unstable, and potentially dangerous. If the media is selling that story, people are going to buy it. Just look at recent real-world examples for issues where the facts and popular perceptions don't match up at all well.
Still plenty of reasons to not like the movie, but I don't think that this one is illogical.
BizarroBeachHead
August 9, 2008 at 1:39 pm
not hurting cops for shits and giggles, KILLING cops for shits and giggles. Batman took the blame for all of Harvey's murders. I don't think anybody in Gothom is going to care much for the specifics when the paper headlines they read proclaim, BATMAN: MURDERER! Even if they're just crooked cops and gangsters, people are just going to want to see Batman caught. I don't see what's so illogical about that.
Paperghost
August 9, 2008 at 1:39 pm
"Still plenty of reasons to not like the movie, but I don’t think that this one is illogical."
It's illogical because its never satisfactorily explained why Batman has to take the blame for the people Harvey killed. Half the city is in chaos, there's boats about to be blown up, buildings are collapsing around peoples ears and its all down to the Joker - but for some odd reason, Batman has to take the rap for the handful of people Harvey killed when they could have just as easy pinned them on Joker and nobody would have said anything (especially as at least one person Harvey killed was a mob guy, and its well known by that point that Joker is into ripping them off and killing them where possible).
That's what I don't get.
Scavenger
August 9, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Andy: I completely reject your theory re: Alan Scott knows WW2 stuff, so he'd draft people.
Yes, he was in WW2, but he's been active since. He was the guardian of magic. He was the White King of Checkmate. He's been a modern JSA member for some time.
How many stories have there been when the JLA goes around and gives everyone communicator devices?
Hell, Johns and Morrison has gone to great pains to have everyone know who everyone is in their secret IDs...how about a phone tree? Looking at the art, it appears they got the JLA, JSA, Teen Titans and Shadowpact. That's 4 phone calls. But instead, they what, go to Congress to have the draft activated? And it's by postal mail? (As Jade appears to be in the group, and she's dead, no, I will say that Congress seems more able to get stuff done in the DCU than in real life).
Doesn't he own a TV network? How about just going on the news and saying, All superheroes, please go to the hall of justice.
This was Morrison thinking "Hey, here's a clever idea!---I'm sure no one will have read where I'm swiping it from---I'll use it even if it makes no sense!"
Scavenger
August 9, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Paperghost: It could be as simple as Batman's not going to blame someone else for Harvey's crimes. He'll take the blame himself, but can't put the blame on the Joker.
Getting deeper. The Joker says "Oh sure, I killed these people and those and those...but I didn't kill those 3 people." and suddenly there's investigations and cover ups and so forth.
Greg Burgas
August 9, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Andrew: You'll note I didn't say I didn't like the movie, because I did. But I have some problems with it, too. But that's all I'm saying!
As I've said before re: corporations in comics, I'd just like to see a corporation that isn't connected to Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne but is still not a horrible entity. If we can have nuanced portrayals of heroes wrestling with ethical choices (and we do, occasionally), there's no reason to simply say, "Oh, look - it's a conglomerate! They spread evil throughout the world!" Don't even bring it up if that's all you have to say on the matter.
Dan
August 9, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Just to add to what Scavenger said above, isn't the other issue timing? The Joker couldn't be in two places at once, so someone else must have killed them. But I may have my time line off here, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Even that, though, feels pretty flimsy. Would seem that you could pin the murders on another third party, even if not the Joker. But then again that does get back at the moral dilemma of Batman, and finding that line that he's unwilling to cross.
Rebis
August 9, 2008 at 4:08 pm
OK, but are ALL corporations in comics evil? Besides Wayne's and Stark's companies, I can think of one "good" corporation off the top of my head — S.T.A.R. Labs. For the moment, that's all I've got, but there must be others.
Stefan
August 9, 2008 at 4:21 pm
{{{As I’ve said before re: corporations in comics, I’d just like to see a corporation that isn’t connected to Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne but is still not a horrible entity.}}}
I'll agree with you that comics have been pretty anti-corporate -- probably partly because a lot of writers and artists have had strained relationships with the companies that employ them -- but I can think of a few more.
Danny Rand, the Iron Fist, is head of his own corporation. The Immortal Iron Fist #16 would be a good read, to demonstrate.
When Morrison was writing X-Men, he had X-Corporation operating in a positive capacity, world-wide.
Then there's the Taylor Foundation, from the various incarnations of the New Warriors. Admittedly there've been shady moments for them but overall I'd say they've been seen as a positive force in their storyworld.
If your rejoinder is "ok, yeah, but they're still connected with superheroes," that's telling, isn't it? There's still enough space within the superhero mythos FOR corporations. It's a small space, but it's there.
Greg Burgas
August 9, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Good point, Stefan, especially about Danny Rand. S.T.A.R. Labs is the one everyone always comes up with, and I don't know if that counts - I don't know enough about them to know how "corporate" they are.
Those are good examples, but, as you point out, all of the corporations are run or intimately connected with superheroes, who are "good" and therefore would never run "evil" businesses. But I'll shut up now!
chris w.
August 9, 2008 at 5:31 pm
This week's issue of The Killer was the first once I picked up, and I had no problems whatsoever following the story. It is an excellent book.
Greg Burgas
August 9, 2008 at 5:54 pm
That's good to know, Chris. It is quite a good comic, and there should be a collection of some of it (I can't remember if it's just the first four issues, but it might be the first six) out soon, if you're interested in reading the rest.
Scavenger
August 9, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Well, Big Belly Burgers seems to be on the up and up in the DCU.
Damage Control, when not written by Millar/Bendis, is a good company in th MU.
It's really I think, just the basics of storytelling....either a company is going to be allied with a hero, being the bad guys of the story. Otherwise, why would they be in the story at all?
FunkyGreenJerusalem
August 10, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Can you name any good multi-national conglomerates in the real world?
As those that run them are legally obliged to raise the share value for the shareholders, any way they can, there aren't any good one's - even if the CEO wanted to be a good chap, if it didn't make more cash for the shareholder at the end of the day, he couldn't do it.
Also, as America is being run by an administration that likes to look out for corporations - be it cronyism or a smart free market policy - it kind of makes sense that writers are going to write about them.
Greg Burgas
August 10, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Well, probably not, FGJ, "good" and "evil" being absolute concepts that rarely apply in the real world. However, I can't name any multi-national conglomerates who are actively evil, either. As you so correctly pointed out, it's all about the value of the stock. I would just rather writers left them alone, as they don't play well in the fantasy world of superheroes. But that's just me.
FunkyGreenJerusalem
August 10, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I think they work great for heroes - a huge faceless villain* with infinite resources and an easy understandable motive - making money, no matter what cost.
It's like having commies as villains all over again, but without having to worry about them collapsing over night.
Throw in the fact that in the real world you can trace a lot of things people dislike about modern life to them (just like you can with governments and commies) and you've got a villain made to last.
Also, it's not like this is a modern thing - corporations have been used as villains since the 70's in comics**. The only difference now is that it seems more topical due to Haliburton and the like.
*Like Hydra - you can take out the head man, but another will just replace it.
** If not 70's, then definitely the 80's.
marc andreyko
August 11, 2008 at 12:27 am
greg-
just one nit to pick with ya': just because a character i write has an opinion doesn't necessarily mean that opinion is mine. that's the fun of writing (and acting, too) : you get to play with characters that are different from you.
thanks for readin'!
marc andreyko
writer, "Manhunter"
Greg Burgas
August 11, 2008 at 6:42 am
Yeah, I know, Marc. I often do that - attribute opinions that characters have to the writers. I don't realize I'm doing it until someone (like you) points it out to me! I have blinders on when it comes to that, and I shouldn't.
That being said, I really do like the book. I hope it's selling better since its "relaunch"!
A. David Lewis
August 13, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Yes, more Archaia stuff is coming ASAP. Rejoice!
Dan Felty
August 14, 2008 at 10:46 pm
HALO corp. from Wildcats 3.0 provided an intriguing view of corporate activity.
Dan Felty
August 16, 2008 at 11:59 am
Whoops, I didn't realize there was a whole Wildstorm debate going on. I'm way out of the loop here.