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	<title>Comments on: Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #168</title>
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		<title>By: Rory McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was always under the impression that Billy Dee had a Pay or Play contract, which generally speaking would mean he shouldn&#039;t be paid for not appearing, only if someone else appears instead of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always under the impression that Billy Dee had a Pay or Play contract, which generally speaking would mean he shouldn't be paid for not appearing, only if someone else appears instead of him.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackjak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rolf P:

Nah...
If only...
People will always read different things into things... 
If you look hard enough for connections or subtext or whatever, yuou can usually find SOMETHING and make an implied connection..  Even if it was not the creator&#039;s intention...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rolf P:</p>
<p>Nah...<br />
If only...<br />
People will always read different things into things...<br />
If you look hard enough for connections or subtext or whatever, yuou can usually find SOMETHING and make an implied connection..  Even if it was not the creator's intention...</p>
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		<title>By: Rolf P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rolf P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting the additional pages of the comics in question... I guess in the future, we should go to the actual source and look at the actual wording, and verify the actual context in which things were presented.  I guess if we all did that in the first place, there would be no &#039;urban legends&#039; to discuss then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting the additional pages of the comics in question... I guess in the future, we should go to the actual source and look at the actual wording, and verify the actual context in which things were presented.  I guess if we all did that in the first place, there would be no 'urban legends' to discuss then.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yow. Nothing was intended or implied by my mention of  Wikipedia&#039;s rules. It just came to mind, is all  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yow. Nothing was intended or implied by my mention of  Wikipedia's rules. It just came to mind, is all  <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: todd young</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s up with the inconsistent look of the Beast changing from book to book? In one he looks like a lion then in a different book he&#039;s looking like his old self or whatever. I know he&#039;s supposed ot be mutating more and more, but it seems like people are just doing what they want...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What's up with the inconsistent look of the Beast changing from book to book? In one he looks like a lion then in a different book he's looking like his old self or whatever. I know he's supposed ot be mutating more and more, but it seems like people are just doing what they want...</p>
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		<title>By: Blackjak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Storm was regularly getting it on with Wolverine... His Healing Factor/near-immortality  making him easier not to worry about his getting hurt/killed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Storm was regularly getting it on with Wolverine... His Healing Factor/near-immortality  making him easier not to worry about his getting hurt/killed...</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, her aloofness can be attributed to other factors, but still she was the only major Marvel hero with no romantic interest for more than a decade. She didn&#039;t have to be a lesbian, I&#039;m only saying that it wouldn&#039;t be all that surprising if she was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, her aloofness can be attributed to other factors, but still she was the only major Marvel hero with no romantic interest for more than a decade. She didn't have to be a lesbian, I'm only saying that it wouldn't be all that surprising if she was.</p>
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		<title>By: wwk5d</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwk5d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno. I always saw her alloofness as part of her character at the time...her being the emotionless Goddess who was above it all. The period she met Yukio was her going through a period of self-doubt that started long before Yukio, during the Brood adventure. She didn&#039;t chase after her teammates because it wasn&#039;t in her character to, her being afraid her loss of emotional control would wreck havok through her powers, etc.

A better example of a character becoming gay would be Karma. One of the better ones, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno. I always saw her alloofness as part of her character at the time...her being the emotionless Goddess who was above it all. The period she met Yukio was her going through a period of self-doubt that started long before Yukio, during the Brood adventure. She didn't chase after her teammates because it wasn't in her character to, her being afraid her loss of emotional control would wreck havok through her powers, etc.</p>
<p>A better example of a character becoming gay would be Karma. One of the better ones, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Storm, yeah.

I didn&#039;t say she was, only I woud not be surprised. In he early years of appearances in the comics, she had many of the marks of the sexually confused.

A young lady that joined a team full of interesting, handsome, sensitive young men, and yet she doesn&#039;t seem to be too interested in anyone of them. Formed a strong bond almost immediately with Jean Grey. Met the Japanese girl, Yukio, and found in her a &quot;kindred spirit&quot; that &quot;awakened&quot; her wild side in her mohawk years.

Her flings with men had been all brief and inconclusive (Arkon, Dracula?). 

I think her first serious (non-retconned) romantic interest was Forge, and that more than 10 years after she was introduced?

A serious case could have been made in those days that Storm was a lesbian, a bisexual, or at least confused. Well, now she is married, and her aloofness could always be attributed to other factors. But if Chris Claremont had revealed her as a lesbian in 1979, it wouldn&#039;t have seemed forced (I realize Marvel would not let him do it, though).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storm, yeah.</p>
<p>I didn't say she was, only I woud not be surprised. In he early years of appearances in the comics, she had many of the marks of the sexually confused.</p>
<p>A young lady that joined a team full of interesting, handsome, sensitive young men, and yet she doesn't seem to be too interested in anyone of them. Formed a strong bond almost immediately with Jean Grey. Met the Japanese girl, Yukio, and found in her a "kindred spirit" that "awakened" her wild side in her mohawk years.</p>
<p>Her flings with men had been all brief and inconclusive (Arkon, Dracula?). </p>
<p>I think her first serious (non-retconned) romantic interest was Forge, and that more than 10 years after she was introduced?</p>
<p>A serious case could have been made in those days that Storm was a lesbian, a bisexual, or at least confused. Well, now she is married, and her aloofness could always be attributed to other factors. But if Chris Claremont had revealed her as a lesbian in 1979, it wouldn't have seemed forced (I realize Marvel would not let him do it, though).</p>
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		<title>By: yo go re</title>
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		<dc:creator>yo go re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Storm?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Being gay is a birth defect, like a club foot or cleft palate&lt;/blockquote&gt;
See, it&#039;s things like &quot;birth defect&quot; that are making people react to you like a bigot. A less inflammatory analogy (club foot and cleft palate? really? that&#039;s what you came up with?) would be, say, being born left-handed. If you don&#039;t want to have people over-react to you, you can&#039;t open with something that&#039;s immediately going to put them on the defensive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storm?</p>
<blockquote><p>Being gay is a birth defect, like a club foot or cleft palate</p></blockquote>
<p>See, it's things like "birth defect" that are making people react to you like a bigot. A less inflammatory analogy (club foot and cleft palate? really? that's what you came up with?) would be, say, being born left-handed. If you don't want to have people over-react to you, you can't open with something that's immediately going to put them on the defensive...</p>
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		<title>By: dave philpott</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave philpott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading all this, I can only say:
Tom Russell, if you&#039;re so nitpicky, how &#039;bout typing Dalmatians instead of Dalmations?  A not o.
These threads get ridiculous sometimes and here I am contributing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading all this, I can only say:<br />
Tom Russell, if you're so nitpicky, how 'bout typing Dalmatians instead of Dalmations?  A not o.<br />
These threads get ridiculous sometimes and here I am contributing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Defect implies disadvantage. People don&#039;t flaunt club foot because it makes them obviously disadvantaged. That not the case with homosexuality. Being gay feels good, as good as being straight, and I don&#039;t think any emotionally balanced gay wishes he was straight.

Even so, in an ideal world where everyone had the same rights and acceptance, I don&#039;t think many gays would feel a strong need to flaunt it. But in a world where a lot of people are out there doing their best to paint homosexuality in a negative light, flaunting it becomes a defense mechanism to balance things out.

And I&#039;m pretty tolerant of differences, except when those &quot;different people&quot; are out to deny me my rights. Live and let live. You live your life the way you want it. I certainly didn&#039;t feel angry when Chris Claremont started to explore Nightcrawler&#039;s catholicism in a very positive light in X-Men, even though I&#039;m not a Catholic. I didn&#039;t feel angry or threatened when they made him even MORE Catholic in the movie. The X-Men has a big cast, by all means, lets make them diverse.

And even though I don&#039;t have a lot of sympathy for Christianity (or any of the Abrahamic religions, I like Islam even less), I don&#039;t feel any dread when I think that kids will be exposed to Nightcrawler in the movie. I don&#039;t want to rule the world, I don&#039;t want to tell kids what to think, and I don&#039;t want anyone else to be just like me. I just want people to let me be what I am, and to be able to do the same stuff everyone else does.

I don&#039;t think, for instance, that a woman should be &quot;tolerant&quot; of certain African tribes that practice genital mutilation. I know this is a lot less extreme case, but I&#039;m not tolerant of people that think I should be &quot;kept in my place&quot;, and I never will be.

I&#039;m not in the habit of discussing my sexuality with strangers unasked, and much less with kids (I don&#039;t even like kids). But I would never try to act &quot;manly&quot; in front of any kid, and I certainly wouldn&#039;t lie to a kid that asked me why I&#039;m holding hands with a guy, the same way I think no straight guy would be expected to tell a kid that the lady he&#039;s been kissing is just his &quot;friend&quot;.  Now, if a comic book marketed to kids had any gays or (straight people, for that matter) having graphic sex or something, then yeah, I&#039;d be concerned.

And I have to say that I&#039;m not hot on writers retconning characters into being gay. But I don&#039;t remember many cases of that in a Marvel/DC comic. Rawhide Kid? In Beast&#039;s case, he wasn&#039;t really gay, as pointed above. And it wouldn&#039;t make any sense for him to be gay, as he&#039;s been pretty much established as a ladies man in many Avengers stories. Now, if a character has been presented fairly ambiguously (as is the case with Storm or Obsidian or Renee Montoya, for instance), then making them gay or bisexual and &quot;coming out&quot; isn&#039;t really an unnatural development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defect implies disadvantage. People don't flaunt club foot because it makes them obviously disadvantaged. That not the case with homosexuality. Being gay feels good, as good as being straight, and I don't think any emotionally balanced gay wishes he was straight.</p>
<p>Even so, in an ideal world where everyone had the same rights and acceptance, I don't think many gays would feel a strong need to flaunt it. But in a world where a lot of people are out there doing their best to paint homosexuality in a negative light, flaunting it becomes a defense mechanism to balance things out.</p>
<p>And I'm pretty tolerant of differences, except when those "different people" are out to deny me my rights. Live and let live. You live your life the way you want it. I certainly didn't feel angry when Chris Claremont started to explore Nightcrawler's catholicism in a very positive light in X-Men, even though I'm not a Catholic. I didn't feel angry or threatened when they made him even MORE Catholic in the movie. The X-Men has a big cast, by all means, lets make them diverse.</p>
<p>And even though I don't have a lot of sympathy for Christianity (or any of the Abrahamic religions, I like Islam even less), I don't feel any dread when I think that kids will be exposed to Nightcrawler in the movie. I don't want to rule the world, I don't want to tell kids what to think, and I don't want anyone else to be just like me. I just want people to let me be what I am, and to be able to do the same stuff everyone else does.</p>
<p>I don't think, for instance, that a woman should be "tolerant" of certain African tribes that practice genital mutilation. I know this is a lot less extreme case, but I'm not tolerant of people that think I should be "kept in my place", and I never will be.</p>
<p>I'm not in the habit of discussing my sexuality with strangers unasked, and much less with kids (I don't even like kids). But I would never try to act "manly" in front of any kid, and I certainly wouldn't lie to a kid that asked me why I'm holding hands with a guy, the same way I think no straight guy would be expected to tell a kid that the lady he's been kissing is just his "friend".  Now, if a comic book marketed to kids had any gays or (straight people, for that matter) having graphic sex or something, then yeah, I'd be concerned.</p>
<p>And I have to say that I'm not hot on writers retconning characters into being gay. But I don't remember many cases of that in a Marvel/DC comic. Rawhide Kid? In Beast's case, he wasn't really gay, as pointed above. And it wouldn't make any sense for him to be gay, as he's been pretty much established as a ladies man in many Avengers stories. Now, if a character has been presented fairly ambiguously (as is the case with Storm or Obsidian or Renee Montoya, for instance), then making them gay or bisexual and "coming out" isn't really an unnatural development.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Norris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ironically, this is incorrect. Itâ€™s spelt â€˜craicâ€™.&quot;
The error&#039;s on the part of the Wikipedia contributor then, as it&#039;s given as a secondary spelling in an article reached by searching for &quot;crack.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Ironically, this is incorrect. Itâ€™s spelt â€˜craicâ€™."<br />
The error's on the part of the Wikipedia contributor then, as it's given as a secondary spelling in an article reached by searching for "crack."</p>
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		<title>By: morecowbell2001</title>
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		<dc:creator>morecowbell2001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Rolf, 
You managed to write an intellegent post and made some very valid points without a lot of name calling and insults. If more people were like you we could all just agree to disagree and get along.
 
I believe the situation for Gays in up here in Canada is probably better than down south, and I think you should be treated equally as a straight couple. I could just do without the parade every summer that I believe does more harm than good for your cause. People are less likely to think of someone as a deviant if they&#039;re not wearing a leather thong and dog collar while waving a dildo around in a parade.

Oh, and that thing about all straights secretly wishing they were gay? Sorry man, not true. Don&#039;t tell your friends though, wouldn&#039;t want to spoil it for them. We are however jealous of your fasion sense and ability to get along with women so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Rolf,<br />
You managed to write an intellegent post and made some very valid points without a lot of name calling and insults. If more people were like you we could all just agree to disagree and get along.</p>
<p>I believe the situation for Gays in up here in Canada is probably better than down south, and I think you should be treated equally as a straight couple. I could just do without the parade every summer that I believe does more harm than good for your cause. People are less likely to think of someone as a deviant if they're not wearing a leather thong and dog collar while waving a dildo around in a parade.</p>
<p>Oh, and that thing about all straights secretly wishing they were gay? Sorry man, not true. Don't tell your friends though, wouldn't want to spoil it for them. We are however jealous of your fasion sense and ability to get along with women so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Rolf P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rolf P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, obviously the X-Men comics are the first place where all unsuspecting children will be taught to believe in the hidden gay agenda-- by now you should have understood that!!  What the heck do you think the stories are REALLY about??  They&#039;re all about gay people!!  Let&#039;s just ignore that phrases like &#039;homo superior&#039; get bandied about in the books on a frequent basis-- the whole theme of people who are &#039;different&#039; being totally  oppressed/persecuted  by the main sector of the populace (who secretly wish they were gay--oops, I mean mutants!) just shouts out &quot;gay agenda&quot;!!  Even the topics discussed are gay-related-- what do you think the Legacy Virus was if not an indirect representation of the HIV virus/ AIDS?   Get with the program!!   

All joking aside, it&#039;s really sad that people can sympathize and empathize with the mutants and their struggle to be accepted and cheer for them in their fights against the Sentinels, or the Purifiers, or other humans who fear the mutants, yet at the same time, try to slap down the gay community who are far less a threat to peace than an imaginary mutant is... Gays and lesbians want nothing more than to be left alone in peace, but with the same benefits that heterosexual couples enjoy.

Gay people are just as normal as you are, &#039;morecowbell2001&#039;, maybe even moreso, because we have a lot of social injustice and prejudice to bear.  The stigma of being a mutant-- oops, I mean gay- forces people to hide in fear from families and friends.  It forces some to turn to suicide.  The internal anguish shared by the mutant community is something we gay people can relate to because it IS US!  

The demonstrations and marches of the gay community will continue--because it is an injustice to treat us as &#039;separate but equal&#039;.  We love just like anyone else.  It&#039;s about time people like you stop associating gays or lesbians as deviants.  We are PEOPLE, with the same feelings as you.   Just because gays and lesbians can find love in places you cant, it doesn&#039;t make us different.  We love just as deeply, we pay just as many taxes, we get mad at being treated unfairly just like you do.  But we don&#039;t get the benefits you do, and don&#039;t get the treatment you do, so until we do, the demonstrations will continue.  Unlike the mutants, mature gays and lesbians who have accepted who they are will not run and hide in fear.  Why is that?

It is because some of us have seen the truth, and the truth has set us free.  We are free from condemnation, but not free from religious intolerance.  We are free from the shackles of wrong teachings of both Church and State, but we are not free from social ignorance and injustice.  We are free to choose our loved ones and express that love with great passion, but we are not free from laws that try to deny us that same love.  So we will march and demonstrate and parade in peaceful ways to show that we are no different.  We are NOT asking for MORE, we are asking for THE SAME.  

You don&#039;t know anguish until your loved one is in a hospital room, all alone, dealing with his fear of the future by himself because you, his partner of many years, are denied visitation rights because you&#039;re not his &#039;kin&#039;-- that same kin that rejected him because of who he loves.  You&#039;ve never been denounced and degraded by your church pastor in the presence of the entire congregation just for loving someone who has better morals and ethics than 99% of the congregation, a regular tither, and a fierce prayer warrior, simply because he loves a man and not a woman.  

I don&#039;t mean to write long messages all the time, but this time, I hope it was worth it-- maybe someone has seen the light, and can be a little less defensive next time a gay person is mentioned in a comic book... it&#039;s just a comic book, for crying out loud.  The real issues are here in OUR world.  

Finally, I&#039;ll leave you with a quote from Clarence Page, a syndicated columnist at the Chicago Tribune:  &quot;If you aren&#039;t in favor of gay marriage, don&#039;t have one.&quot;  &#039;Nuff said already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, obviously the X-Men comics are the first place where all unsuspecting children will be taught to believe in the hidden gay agenda-- by now you should have understood that!!  What the heck do you think the stories are REALLY about??  They're all about gay people!!  Let's just ignore that phrases like 'homo superior' get bandied about in the books on a frequent basis-- the whole theme of people who are 'different' being totally  oppressed/persecuted  by the main sector of the populace (who secretly wish they were gay--oops, I mean mutants!) just shouts out "gay agenda"!!  Even the topics discussed are gay-related-- what do you think the Legacy Virus was if not an indirect representation of the HIV virus/ AIDS?   Get with the program!!   </p>
<p>All joking aside, it's really sad that people can sympathize and empathize with the mutants and their struggle to be accepted and cheer for them in their fights against the Sentinels, or the Purifiers, or other humans who fear the mutants, yet at the same time, try to slap down the gay community who are far less a threat to peace than an imaginary mutant is... Gays and lesbians want nothing more than to be left alone in peace, but with the same benefits that heterosexual couples enjoy.</p>
<p>Gay people are just as normal as you are, 'morecowbell2001', maybe even moreso, because we have a lot of social injustice and prejudice to bear.  The stigma of being a mutant-- oops, I mean gay- forces people to hide in fear from families and friends.  It forces some to turn to suicide.  The internal anguish shared by the mutant community is something we gay people can relate to because it IS US!  </p>
<p>The demonstrations and marches of the gay community will continue--because it is an injustice to treat us as 'separate but equal'.  We love just like anyone else.  It's about time people like you stop associating gays or lesbians as deviants.  We are PEOPLE, with the same feelings as you.   Just because gays and lesbians can find love in places you cant, it doesn't make us different.  We love just as deeply, we pay just as many taxes, we get mad at being treated unfairly just like you do.  But we don't get the benefits you do, and don't get the treatment you do, so until we do, the demonstrations will continue.  Unlike the mutants, mature gays and lesbians who have accepted who they are will not run and hide in fear.  Why is that?</p>
<p>It is because some of us have seen the truth, and the truth has set us free.  We are free from condemnation, but not free from religious intolerance.  We are free from the shackles of wrong teachings of both Church and State, but we are not free from social ignorance and injustice.  We are free to choose our loved ones and express that love with great passion, but we are not free from laws that try to deny us that same love.  So we will march and demonstrate and parade in peaceful ways to show that we are no different.  We are NOT asking for MORE, we are asking for THE SAME.  </p>
<p>You don't know anguish until your loved one is in a hospital room, all alone, dealing with his fear of the future by himself because you, his partner of many years, are denied visitation rights because you're not his 'kin'-- that same kin that rejected him because of who he loves.  You've never been denounced and degraded by your church pastor in the presence of the entire congregation just for loving someone who has better morals and ethics than 99% of the congregation, a regular tither, and a fierce prayer warrior, simply because he loves a man and not a woman.  </p>
<p>I don't mean to write long messages all the time, but this time, I hope it was worth it-- maybe someone has seen the light, and can be a little less defensive next time a gay person is mentioned in a comic book... it's just a comic book, for crying out loud.  The real issues are here in OUR world.  </p>
<p>Finally, I'll leave you with a quote from Clarence Page, a syndicated columnist at the Chicago Tribune:  "If you aren't in favor of gay marriage, don't have one."  'Nuff said already.</p>
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		<title>By: morecowbell2001</title>
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		<dc:creator>morecowbell2001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rene, I don&#039;t think kids need to be shielded from you because you&#039;re gay, unless you insist on discussing it with them. But then, I wouldn&#039;t want a straight person discussing his sexual preferences with kids either. I do believe in sex education but I don&#039;t think X-men comics, or any superhero comics for that matter are the place for it. 
I do believe that some members of minority groups have an agenda they want to push to further the interests of thier group. Doesn&#039;t make me a Nazi though. If I started writing Batman next month and decided to make him catholic, and devoted page after page to him discussing his beliefs with Robin I&#039;m pretty sure someone would accuse me of pushing a Catholic agenda. I realize that there are a lot of gay comics creators out there, but so what? there probably always were, but why are they now compelled to make an issue of it by retconning existing characters to push thier gay agenda? The fact that someone is gay is not offensive, it&#039;s this &quot;I am Gay hear me roar!&quot; crap that rubs me the wrong way. Being gay is a birth defect, like a club foot or cleft palate, no one should be persecuted for something beyond thier control but it shouldn&#039;t be the defining thing about you, and you shouldn&#039;t flaunt it. I don&#039;t introduce myself with &quot;Hi, I&#039;m Bill and I like oral, with women.&quot; it&#039;s not relevant.
And just for the record I&#039;m not scared, or feeling threatened, or trying to bully anyone, Look back through these posts and you will see how angry boys and girls leapt at the chance to take me to task and call names because they didn&#039;t like my opinion. You demand tolerance from others for your differences, and yet you have none yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rene, I don't think kids need to be shielded from you because you're gay, unless you insist on discussing it with them. But then, I wouldn't want a straight person discussing his sexual preferences with kids either. I do believe in sex education but I don't think X-men comics, or any superhero comics for that matter are the place for it.<br />
I do believe that some members of minority groups have an agenda they want to push to further the interests of thier group. Doesn't make me a Nazi though. If I started writing Batman next month and decided to make him catholic, and devoted page after page to him discussing his beliefs with Robin I'm pretty sure someone would accuse me of pushing a Catholic agenda. I realize that there are a lot of gay comics creators out there, but so what? there probably always were, but why are they now compelled to make an issue of it by retconning existing characters to push thier gay agenda? The fact that someone is gay is not offensive, it's this "I am Gay hear me roar!" crap that rubs me the wrong way. Being gay is a birth defect, like a club foot or cleft palate, no one should be persecuted for something beyond thier control but it shouldn't be the defining thing about you, and you shouldn't flaunt it. I don't introduce myself with "Hi, I'm Bill and I like oral, with women." it's not relevant.<br />
And just for the record I'm not scared, or feeling threatened, or trying to bully anyone, Look back through these posts and you will see how angry boys and girls leapt at the chance to take me to task and call names because they didn't like my opinion. You demand tolerance from others for your differences, and yet you have none yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: LAZtheinfamous</title>
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		<dc:creator>LAZtheinfamous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s one for you. DC did Infinite Crisis so that it wouldn&#039;t have to address the matter of 9/11.  WIth worlds being mixed up, the Trade Towers could just be gone, and everone knows why, but no one has to explain why the Metas weren&#039;t there-everyone already knows. So its not in the skyline anymore, but no one wonders why. As for the other post 9/11 things, obviously after Luthor left office, someone became president. Someone who followed our &#039;glorious leader&#039; much closer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's one for you. DC did Infinite Crisis so that it wouldn't have to address the matter of 9/11.  WIth worlds being mixed up, the Trade Towers could just be gone, and everone knows why, but no one has to explain why the Metas weren't there-everyone already knows. So its not in the skyline anymore, but no one wonders why. As for the other post 9/11 things, obviously after Luthor left office, someone became president. Someone who followed our 'glorious leader' much closer.</p>
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		<title>By: Montezuma</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/08/14/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-168/comment-page-3/#comment-679721</link>
		<dc:creator>Montezuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way that I will ever accept that the Beast is blue and hairy is if Stan and Jack had explicitly stated that the beast was blue and hairy when they created the character!  This idea of the beast being blue and hairy is simply evidence of a hack writer trying to graft their own BS onto the established legacy of a character and is totally counter to the way that the beast had been portrayed during the course of the original run.  I hate everyone and wish they were all dead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way that I will ever accept that the Beast is blue and hairy is if Stan and Jack had explicitly stated that the beast was blue and hairy when they created the character!  This idea of the beast being blue and hairy is simply evidence of a hack writer trying to graft their own BS onto the established legacy of a character and is totally counter to the way that the beast had been portrayed during the course of the original run.  I hate everyone and wish they were all dead!</p>
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		<title>By: Apodaca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apodaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it great how bullies always use the same bully language?

&quot;Stop overreacting! I&#039;m just messing around!&quot;

If only they could see how much of a stereotype they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn't it great how bullies always use the same bully language?</p>
<p>"Stop overreacting! I'm just messing around!"</p>
<p>If only they could see how much of a stereotype they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Apodaca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apodaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She was. She was Martha, the brain-in-a-jar girl.&quot;

I forgot about that revelation. I always understood the case to be that No-Girl was a joke made up by Basilisk at first. Maybe he was just using Martha&#039;s codename to make fun of Xorn, and I misunderstood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"She was. She was Martha, the brain-in-a-jar girl."</p>
<p>I forgot about that revelation. I always understood the case to be that No-Girl was a joke made up by Basilisk at first. Maybe he was just using Martha's codename to make fun of Xorn, and I misunderstood.</p>
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