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The Team Up Book Post II: Defining Team-Up Books and Collector's Mania

So we've had Brave and the Bold poppin' up here at CSBG, and since I am (A) the World's Biggest Fan of team-up books ever, and (B) in the process of collecting *all* the team-up books, ...

Well, I thought I'd do a series of posts 'em.

Let's start with

A little Q & A

'Q:  *All* the team-up books," you ask?  "How many comics is that?"

A:  "My records are a bit of a mess right ATM.  I believe i've got 704 comics on my to-be-collected list.  Maybe 705.  I think there's been a new Brave and the Bold from DC since I updated.  I think I said 710 last time, but my count keeps changing.

Q: "704!  Dear God!  You gone howling-at-the-moon-outside-sans-pants-crazy?"

A: "Quite Possibly.  I DID have over 600 of them, though, although I moved, and some got stolen, and some got disorganized and buried.  So I'm not sure what the current count is.

Q: "That's... that's a lot,  What are you calling a team-up book, anyway?"

A: I am sooooo glad you asked.  In it's most common form, a team-up book features one lead character, such as Spider-man in Marvel Team-up or Superman in DC Comics Presents pairing up with a different co-star each issue.  In one comic the Thing might meet Daredevil, in the next Captain America, then the Guardians of the Galaxy, and then Doctor Strange, and so on an' on and on with the Thing and a different guest-star every issue.  There are other variants, such as the current (fourth) Brave and the Bold series where BOTH guest stars change every issue. Also, and here's where it gets sticky...  I'm also collecting anything that FEELS like a team-up book.

Q: i don't even wanna ask...

A: I'll ignore that.   Basically, I made a list of 710 comics (and counting) that share some similar characteristics.  Not all of the books share ALL of the characteristics, but MOST share most of them.

Which brings me to my:

Guidelines For Making My List of Team-Up Books

RULE 1!) A team-up book features a rotating cast of two starring characters (or one character and one team) in the lead story.

RULE 1 SUBSECTION A!) Optimally these lead characters should have their NAMES in BIG ASSED LETTERS on the cover.

RULE 1 SUBSECTION B!) Complete sets of titles are good.  There are a few scattered issues of some team-up series that feature more than 2 characters in an issue.

For instance:  There were 100 issues of Marvel Two-In-One published.  Of those, 96 have two characters in starring roles with their names in big letters on the cover.

Four do not. One of these notes that it features "Special Guest-Star Franklin Richards."   Although poor Frank is only given a small blurb under the picture of the Thing, unlike Doc Strange up there who gets HIS logo printed in bigger letters than the title of the book.  But still, that almost counts.

2 of these feature MORE than two characters, like # 51 below, with a whopping FIVE guest stars.

And one, issue 91, STRONGLY implies, but does not credit, a certain pointy-eared guest star on the cover.

(Spoilers:  It ain't who you're thinking it is, Buttercup.)

So, since all of these have a bit of a team-up book-y feel, and since I didn't want to break up my run of Marvel Two-In-One, they all count as team-up books.

Q: Why the two character rule?

A: So I don't have to collect Secret Defenders.

RULE 2!A team-up book features a rotating cast.

Superman/Batman, Power Man and Iron Fist, Captain America and the Falcon, and Cable/Deadpool (among others) don't count.    It's the same two guys teaming up all the time, and that's boring.  You suck, World's Finest!  (Except for 13 issues published between 1971 and 1973.)

RULE 2 SUBSECTION 1!) Likewise, any comic that features only one character in the title is not a team-up book.  Wonder Woman, Marvel Adventures:  Hulk, and Deadpool have all had multiple issue runs as near team-up books, but none of 'em count, because the titular character is given precedence.  Spider-Man Family is an exception, because "Family."

RULE 3!) A team-up book has serial nature.  I spent ten minutes trying to define serial nature, and didn't come up with anything comprehensible.  (Really.  My BEST attempt was like: Serial Nature that a team-up book is part of an ongoing series, even if not all issues of a specific series are team-up books.  This makes things SO much clearer eyerollsmileyface.)

For all PRACTICAL purposes, this rule exists to exclude one-shots like the one below.


RULE 3! is slightly arbitrary, but I thought that even assembling a list of all these one-shots would be a lot of work, and I am fundamentally lazy.  Inter-company cross-overs of all types are out as well -  They seem too Big Eventy for team-up books.)

RULE 4!) Any comic with "Team-Up in the title is a team-up book.

RULE 4 SUBSECTION I!) RULE 4! takes precedence over RULE 3!

RULE 5!) Reprints count.  I'm just trying to get every STORY contained in every team-up book, not every actual team-up book.  If, for instance, I own Marvel Treasury Edition # 22 which reprints Marvel Team-up 19, 20 and 21, I don't need to own actual, original copies of MTU 19, 20, and 21.  However, I don't need trade collection of reprints with "team-up" in the title.

Dude this puppy saved me, like 150 bucks.  I kees you on the spine.

Essential/Showcase volumes are a Godsend.  I'm a damn school bus driver.  I ain't made of money.

Q: So. 704 comics, huh? Why? I mean, aren't some -even most - of them going to be pretty much crap-on-stick? Did anyone really pour their heart into writing Super-Team Family?

A: Well, quality varied.  But If you just read the main four long-running team-up titles you'll find work by Alan Moore, Dave Gibbons, (separately) Chris Claremont, John Byrne (together) Frank Miller, George Perez, Jack Kirby, Neal Adams,  EC's Johnny Craig, Steve Gerber, the under-appreciated Ramona Fradon, Alex Toth, Joe Kubert, Howard Chaykin, J. M. Dematties, Kieth Giffen, Gil Kane, Law and Order's Alan Brennert, Jim Aparo...  And the list goes on.  Lots of talented folks, although only a few of the dudes I listed had way long runs.  Aparo.  Claremont and Byrne were on Marvel Team-Up for a decent while.

But, yeah, if I wanted to read quality comics I'd probably be better off tracking down, say, Simonson's Thor run.  Or the Kitchen Sink Spirit reprints.  Or Peter Bagge's Neat Stuff.   (All of which are on my list.)  But I'm a format and genre fetishist, I guess.  I don't follow characters so much (exceptions:  Stegron, the Kryptonian Thought Beast and Infectious Lass)  but I'll buy any damn comic with a pirate on the cover.  And I'll generally be very happy with my purchase -  My critical standards drop to damn near 'nill when dealing with formats I have a thing for.

On a sociological sense, it's probably derived from some kind of screwed up hunter gatherer instinct, and some kind of strange type-A need to create orderly patterns.  On an intellectual level, I realize that owning 710 team-up books will not make me more spiritually fulfilled or make me more attractive to women or anything.  But I'm compelled to do it.  I'm afraid that if I examine my motivations here too closely I'll find out there's something really wrong with me.  (Nervous chuckle.)

There's a few more reasons:  They're relatively cheap:  I've dug somewhere in the neighborhood of 250 applicable books out of the 25/33/50/75 cent boxes.  And they're not hard to track down -  I only used the internet for 3 out of my 600+ issue collection -  The rest came from comic shops and cons in the Michigan/Iowa/Illinois area.

There's some small utility to having big, long, fairly-unbroken-'cept-for-a-couple-reprints-runs of a given series.   As a comics history fan, it's useful to have fairly long, fairly complete runs of DC and Marvel titles, just to get a sense of stuff like the changing production values, page counts, and the different types of advertisements that ran in the books.

But, honestly, that's like .013% of the reason I'm doing this.  I just enjoy the heck outta reading damn things.

Here's the list.  If any of you have any alterations of suggestions, I'd like too hear them.

1-17:  Action Comics 584-600
18: Action Comics Annual # 1
19-166: Brave and the Bold (1st Series) 50-56, 59, 61-200
167-182: Brave and the Bold (4th Series) 1-16
167-283: DC Comics Presents # 1-97
284-287: DC Comics Presents Annual # 1-4
288-293: Dead Again 1-5
294: Deadpool Team-Up Featuring Widdle Wade
295: DC Special Series # 8
296-297: DC Super-Stars 15, 18
298-303: Giant Size Spider-Man 1-6
304-305: Giant Size Super-Villain Team-Up 1-2
306-310: Marvel Age Spider-Man Team-Up 1-5
311: Marvel Age Spider-Man Team-Up Special
312-313: Marvel Feature 11-12
314-463: Marvel Team-Up (1st Series) 1-150
464-474: Marvel Team-Up (2cd Series) 1-11
475-499: Marvel Team-Up (3rd Series) 1-25
500-506: Marvel Team-Up Annual 1-7
507-606: Marvel Two-In-One 1-100
607-613: Marvel Two-In-One Annual 1-7
614-626: Plus Books (Various 1 and 2 shots from 1997)
627-628: Showcase 55-56
629: Shuriken Team-Up 1
630: Spider-Boy Team-Up
631-637: Spider-Man Family (2cd Series) 2-9
638-644: Spider-Man Team-Up 1-7
645: Superman vs. Muhammad Ali Treasury
646: Superman vs. Shazam! Treasury
647: Superman vs. Wonder Woman Treasury
648-654: Super-Team Family 2-3, 11-15
655-671: Super-Villain Team-Up 1-17
672-676: Super-Villain Team-Up: Modok's 11 1-5
677-679: Tales of the Thing 1-3
680-695: Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 1-16
696: Ultimate Marvel Team-up Special
697: Western Team-Up
698-710: World's Finest Comics 198-201, 203-205, 208-210,212-214

Edited to Add:

711-715: Crossroads 1-5
716-722: _____ and Deadpool 43-49
723-726:  DC Double Shots
727-774: Marvel Comics Presents No. 48-50, 52-61, 64-71, 96-122

So in the next few weeks, months, or years, I'll go down the list, explaining WHY some things are there and others aren't, and also doing kind of a group review of the various runs.

And, hey, if I'm missing anything, let me know!

In the next couple months I'll go down the list... Or sideways through it, offerin' some critical-type commentary and defending my choices in regards to the above rules.  And complaining about how I CAN NOT find Deadpool Team-Up anywhere in the real world.

It'll be fun!  (At least for me.)

  • Posted on September 13, 2008 @ 11:19 PM

31 Comments

How about Secret Society of Super-Villains, which for all practical purposes was Captain Comet + guest star vs. the Secret Society? That run, along with DC Special 6, also fills in loose ends in Super-Team Family, which you already have on your list.

So who was the guest star in the Marvel Two-in-One?

I'm guessing Black Panther?

It was the Sphinx. I remember buying that book and I was convinced that Batman was going to meet the Thing in it! It was quite a disappointment to find a pretty lousy Sphinx resurrection story. BTW, MTU #61 (pictured above) was the first ever comic I bought. A real fun start to my collecting career!

I’m compelled to do it. I’m afraid that if I examine my motivations here too closely I’ll find out there’s something really wrong with me. (Nervous chuckle.)

Maybe. But a lot of us have this going on. The hunt, the actual act of assembling a collection, is entertaining in itself. Whenever Julie and I are out trolling for rare books and I write up those episodes, no one chimes in with, "What the hell are you getting those books for? The writing sucks!" Everyone understands that the object is mostly a MacGuffin-- it just has to be something you like having around, and that it's a bit of a challenge to track down.

In comics, my MacGuffin tends to be the 70's Marvel black-n-white stuff. Deadly Hands of Kung Fu, Marvel Preview, Planet of the Apes... the ones unlikely to get Essential'd.

I used to collect DC Presents, Marvel Team Up, Marvel-Two-in-One and Brave & The Bold, and wouldn't mind completing my runs on them one of these days. Still, I'm NOT going after anything that barely qualifies as a Team Up book! Good luck with that, Mark!

What about the issues of Cable/Deadpool when Cable was thought dead and Deadpool teamed up with a different character each month?

What about DC's '90s Showcase series? Although many issues led with a solo story, sometimes they a Batman supporting character or Superman supporting character team up with another character (e.g. Rose & Thorn + Green Arrow).

How about Marvel Action Universe. It has Spider-Man, Iceman and Firestar.

I don't know but I think you could also add Marvel Comics Presents to that list. It had team up stories with Wolverine and Nightcrawler, Ghost Rider and Cable, Ghost Rider and Werewolf by Night as well as others I'm sure.

Yeah, there was a period of a couple of years where Marvel Comics Presents was a Wolverine team up on one side and a Ghost Rider team up on the other (it was a flip book). It's kind of an odd one though since it started without the team up concept and just short serials with any character, then added consistently reoccurring characters (Wolverine, of course), and then added the team ups.

Oh and try Alpha Flight No. 15 and 16. Now before you say wait a minute Alpha Flight, understand I mean the first series in which a lot of the early issues only starred one maybe two characters from the team and felt more like Team Up or Solo books rather than a series about a Team sometimes. Anyway, 15-16 has a story arc concerning for the most part Marrina and Puck from the team and Namor. It definately feels like a team up book.

Gah. Stupid Underline tags. I don't understand why Wordpress does that weird grey thing when I try to underline.

Secret Society....etc... feels more like a team book, with Captain Comet and friends being incidentals.

Maybe I should try and do all the crossovers, though, so I have complete stories. At least all the non-major event Legends/Crisis/Secret Wars crossovers. And probably not the stuff like the Golem and the Scarecrow Demon stories that were started elsewhere and wrapped up i Two In One. Lemme see.... you're right that Secret Society crossed over with Super-Team Family... Super Villain Team-Up crossed over with the Avengers, John Byrne's Action crossed over with Booster Gold and I think the main Superman title, Marvel Two In One Annual Crossed over with Fantastic Four Annual, (and Two In One crossed over with Team-Up. :) )

There's probably a bunch more that I'm blanking. If there's not TOO many, I'll probably count 'em.

The Guest Star in Marvel Two In One 91 was. indeed, the Sphinx. (Who I'd never even HEARD of before. Super-lame.)

Deadpool and not Cable does look like a team-up book. I'll edit it onto the list.

DC Showcase feels more like a try-out book than a team-up book, if that makes any sense. I have a few issues of the Silver Age Showcase on my list with Doctor Fate and Hourman but I read they were originally supposed to be published in Brave and the Bold, but got bumped for a Metamorpho solo story in 57-58. So they kind of counted as Brave and the Bolds.

On the other hand... I really, really want (need?) to read Rose and Thorn with Green Arrow. So maybe.

Marvel Action Universe is a one-shot, which I arbitrarily excluded. (Mostly because I couldn't think of all the ways to catalog them.)

I'm also excluding any book that has the name of one character in the title, and since Alpha Flight is a team, I'm sticking it under the same umbrella-rule. This sounds closer to the team-up book model than the examples I gave Wonder Woman, Marvel Adventures Hulk... But not quite.

If 15 or 16 were called Alpha Flight Family I'd count them.

Does anyone happen to know off the top of their heads WHICH Marvel Comics Presents issues would count? I have # 100, which is a pretty cool Wolverine/Ghost Rider/Doctor Doom/Nightmare team-up, all drawn by Sam Keith. I didn't know there were more like it.

Thanks for sharing, MarkAndrew! I remember an issue of Back Issue from a few years back that had a pretty comprehensive history and list of Team-Up books.
Also, do you include non-Marvel or DC team-ups, like First Comics Crossroads? Those had meetings like Jon Sable andBadger or Grimjack and Judah the Hammer. Some of them were pretty fun.

Yeah, Back Issue # 6 I think. Pretty great issue. (My checklist is much, much more comprehensive, though.)

And I've been looking for more non-Marvel/DC team-up books, but couldn't find any. Crossroads is definitely going on the list.

That's funny.... when I first saw the cover for MTIO 91, my first thought was, "It's the Sphinx." I *never* thought the guest star might be Batman. In fact, the fact that such a thing was implied I never even guessed until I read this column. But now it seems obvious. Boy, am I dumb.

I used to have a thing for hoovering up all the crossovers I could find (either inter company or inter film franchise). I eventually gave up in favour of runs of individuals I liked (and an over abundance of Aliens and Predator).
Got some good books out of it though. The GI Joe/Transformers set in WW2 is great and the first Batman/Predator is art. Proper, no bull, art.

Don't forget the web of spider-man issues with the outlaws. Plus superman vs spider-man and didn't spidey team up with a bunch of heroes in the return of the sinister six story? What about the new fantastic four or that avengers issue were captain america, ant-man, captain marvel/ rick jones, and silverclaw teamed up only to find out "cap" was the taskmaster?

Plus there was the misfits in amazing spider-man and in an issue of marvel age, plus the new warriors had some team-up stories.

"The GI Joe/Transformers set in WW2 is great " They also team-up a bunch of times in the 80s and 90s. The transformers have also team-up with avengers, spider-man (transformers #3), death head, Dr who (thanks to death head), and in two issues of the uk transformers saved the real ghostbusters from starcream!

Didn't the ninja turtles team up with a few other comics? In an issue of garfield magazine back in the 80s they did a comic story called "garfield meets the teenage mutant ninja turtles"!!! Garfield even gets a ninja weapon (a pizza cutter) and tries to steal the turtles pizza at one point!

"and in two issues of the uk transformers saved the real ghostbusters from starcream!"

Holy f-ing god. That's the kind of stuff I started my spree for.

TMNT also teamed up with Cerebus & the Flaming Carrot.

that last one was me.

Oops i misspelled starscream. Sorry.

How about DC's Double-Shot specials from the 90's? There were about 4 from 98...they weren't bad.

At one point I owned a perfectly bizarre "The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Meet Archie" comic, from back when the TMNT book was one of Archie's bigger sellers.

I still have that somewhere. That's really all I have to say, and my dog is quite adamant that I leave anyway, so I can't extrapolate.

I think the issues are as follows. Marvel Comics Presents No. 48-50, 52-61, 64-71, 96-122. There was a run of the current Black Panther where he had numerous Guest stars like Blade. I think it was a 3 part story.

Black Panther 10 Luke Cage, 11 Shang Chi, and 12 Blade. It may not say Black Panther and but it might as well.

Not Eligible never mind.

Thanks Relias. That's another agh... 49 books for my list, making MCP this the largest single group of team-up books outside the big four. (Still, these should be fairly common. And cheap. I hope.)

Lee
That’s funny…. when I first saw the cover for MTIO 91, my first thought was, “It’s the Sphinx.” I *never* thought the guest star might be Batman. In fact, the fact that such a thing was implied I never even guessed until I read this column. But now it seems obvious. Boy, am I dumb.

On the other hand... You were absolutely right, and I was completely wrong. :

DunC
I used to have a thing for hoovering up all the crossovers I could find (either inter company or inter film franchise). I eventually gave up in favour of runs of individuals I liked (and an over abundance of Aliens and Predator).
Got some good books out of it though. The GI Joe/Transformers set in WW2 is great and the first Batman/Predator is art. Proper, no bull, art.

One of those was Dave Gibbons and Andy Kubert, right? (Dunno if it was the first one.) That was all kinds of cool. Maybe I'll do crossovers next.

gaastra
Don’t forget the web of spider-man issues with the outlaws. Plus superman vs spider-man and didn’t spidey team up with a bunch of heroes in the return of the sinister six story? What about the new fantastic four or that avengers issue were captain america, ant-man, captain marvel/ rick jones, and silverclaw teamed up only to find out “cap” was the taskmaster?

Plus there was the misfits in amazing spider-man and in an issue of marvel age, plus the new warriors had some team-up stories.

The Marvel Age one might count. The others, like Fantastic Four, I'm arbitrarily excluding. If it was called "Fantastic Four Family" or "Fantastic Four team-up" it'd be on the list. (Because, y'know, I've already GOT more than 750 books on my list.)

Tom
How about DC’s Double-Shot specials from the 90’s? There were about 4 from 98…they weren’t bad.

Oh shoot. I own the Atom/Impulse one and I'd seen the Robin one, but I wrote them off as one-shots. But if their were four of them (and they were named as a group) that counts for serial nature. I'll edit them on.

Also try this... DC Superstars No. 2 Adam Strange and Hawkman and No. 10 Superman and Batman.

I own # 2. It's a reprint of old Adam Strange stories, so I don't think I can count it. (Good book, though. I bought it cause Cheeks the Toy Wonder, my blogging idol, had it on his 50 Best DC Comics EVER list.)

# 10?

http://www.comictreadmill.com/CTMBlogarchives/2005/2005_Individual/2005_07/000874.php

Yeah, I pretty much need to own this.

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