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Steve Wacker Chat Transcript!

Yesterday, Amazing Spider-Man Editor Steve Wacker had a chat with me where I worked in most of the reader-submitted questions you folks sent in! Tom Brevoort also stopped by and chatted, as well, which was a nice surprise.

To see the transcript, read on!

Enjoy!

Brian Cronin: Thanks for coming, Steve, we got over 100 questions for you – over 20 of them were even usuable!

Stephen Wacker: You can tell everyone up top that we aren’t going to stop publishing Spidey or go back to Pete being married, so if that drives you nuts, you can stop reading now.

Brian Cronin: Duly noted!
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Brian Cronin: Actually, on the subject of unusable questions, one fellow sent me a question that opened with “Thanks for doing this segment. As journalists, I hope you’re willing to field some constructively critical questions to S. Wacker.”

Stephen Wacker: Ah, this’ll be good: “Do you try to suck so hard, Steve?”

Brian Cronin: And included such gems as: When are you going to undo this absolutely destructive retcon? Let us know so that we can know when to be the least bit interesting [sic] in Spider-Man again?

Brian Cronin: So I was curious, what is the most convoluted way someone has tried to insult you via a question?

Stephen Wacker: I wish I could remember. When you grow up a chubby, stuttering vagabond kid named Wacker, the insults tend to all run together.
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Stephen Wacker: Here’s a dirty secret…these books aren’t created with a huge barometer on what particular fans will get angry about. The anger is part and parcel of putting these books together and has been for 40 years.

Brian Cronin: True, but for the folks who DID write me these heartfelt questions -how do you best explain that you do not mean to “disregard” their feelings?

Stephen Wacker: I love the opinions but in general I am more guided by my own instincts, my boss’ instincts and, most of all, by the instincts of my creators.

Brian Cronin: That’s fair – I’ve said on the blog more than once that I’d much prefer creators to just do what they think is best rather than make decisions based on what they think fans will think. Of course, if the end result is poor, then that’s on the creators – but the initial notion, I think they should have all the leeway they want to do what they think is best.

Stephen Wacker: Really, if the fans really had control over the reins, Bucky wouldn’t be back, Daredevil would never be a ninja, Doctor Manhattan would be Captain Atom and a million other things that a section of people didn’t agree with at first.

Stephen Wacker: Bottom line is, the decision that Pete was getting unmarried was done by the time that I and all the Spider-Man writers got here, but we all agree with it. This is about long term goals, not the feelings on message boards in the short term.

Stephen Wacker: All that said, as you mentioned, you may just think that the book stinks and I strongly feel that you shouldn’t read something you’re not enjoying. If you have to leave, go ahead. It’s okay.
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Brian Cronin: Speaking of the “fan versus creator” take on the issue, while I do note that, for the most part, the fans probably weren’t asking for this, practically EVERY creator over the past decade or so were. And if creators as different as John Byrne and Joe Quesada, and many different creators in between all agree on a point (while, of course, disagreeing on how to achieve the point), then while you certainly don’t have to agree with said position, it likely has some real merit.

Stephen Wacker: FOR THE MOST PART (big so you don’t miss it) fans want things to stay like they were whenever they personally liked it best. However, the truth is that this stuff is a pendulum, going back and forth to keep a character interesting.

Stephen Wacker: I love the feedback though. We get a lot and it’s a blast. People really care about this.
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Stephen Wacker: Mark Farmer will be done with his next issue on Monday, by the way.
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Brian Cronin: I got a lot of questions about continuity

Brian Cronin: How will the continuity be parsed out over the next year or so? You have a certain amount of continuity changes that you plan on addressing, right? Is it a matter of “we’re going to address X amount next year, then Y amount the year after” or is it not planned out that far ahead?

Stephen Wacker: You mean the wedding stuff? Next summer.

Stephen Wacker: Same with the identity stuff. It’s a big story. We’re aiming for #600, but it keeps growing.

Brian Cronin: Fair enough.

Stephen Wacker: We just had a retreat where we planned the rest of 2009.

Stephen Wacker: I’ll warn you not much has changed.
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Brian Cronin: Okay, here are some specific questions.

Brian Cronin: Reader Jamie asks: With all the goblin related characters appearing, is there any chance we’ll see the Hobgoblin anytime soon?

Stephen Wacker: No plans for Hobgoblin. Roger Stern did a pretty good job wrapping that story up.
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Brian Cronin: Do you have any plans in the future for Stern being involved at all?

Brian Cronin: One reader asked what he needed to do to get a Stern/JRjr story again?

Stephen Wacker: I have a pitch for Rog’s next story right here that he’s waiting for notes on.

Brian Cronin: Great!

December's Amazing Spider-Man, with a story by Roger Stern!

Stephen Wacker: JRJr is booked for now. He starts his next story next week.
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Brian Cronin: A few different readers (surprisingly) asked about the Stacys, Jill in particular.

Brian Cronin: Any chance of them stopping by?

Stephen Wacker: No Jill Stacy plans.
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Brian Cronin: Could Spider-Man Family be a place for new Spider-Man 2099 stories at any point?

Stephen Wacker: As for 2099, I already have that written down. No plans at the moment, but it’d sure be cool
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Brian Cronin: A few readers also asked about JMS’ run – will anything from his time on the book be addressed any time soon?

Stephen Wacker: You’d have to ask about specific JMS things for me to answer. Aside from where the ID went back into the box, it’s all in continuity.

Brian Cronin: Sure, stuff that JMS left unresolved in his run – like the future Spider-Man storyline.

Stephen Wacker: We did talk about the future Spidey stuff and Slott even wrote up something, but nothing nailed down
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Brian Cronin: Why was the Secret Invasion tie-in published separately instead of just as three issues of Amazing?

Stephen Wacker: We had too much planned for the regular books to be able to make room for the Secret Invasion stuff. We planned all this when SI was a gleam in Bendis’ one good eye.
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Brian Cronin: Eddie Brock/Anti-Venom seems to remember Spider-Man’s identity- does that mean perhaps other people do remember his ID, such as Black Cat?

Stephen Wacker: No one remembers Spidey’s ID. Except Peter.
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Brian Cronin: Speaking of Black Cat, any plans for her in the future?

Stephen Wacker: Yes there are Black Cat plans in Amazing.
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Brian Cronin: Reader Pedro had a question about TPBs: Has the thrice-monthly schedule improved TPB sales, since a certain number of readers (myself included) would rather prefer to buy a bimonthly TPB than so many comics every month?

Now that the BND imprint is gone, will the TPB release pattern for the series continue to be the Premiere HC followed by the regular softcover TPB?

Are there other formats planned (digest-sized books, oversized HCs, Omnibus, etc.)?

Stephen Wacker: I don’t believe the TPB plans are changing. We have them on a relatively regular schedule.
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Spider-Man Family - Dumping Ground for Odd Ideas?

Brian Cronin: Another suggestion for Spider-Man Family by a reader (it seems like folks view that book as a place to put their odd ideas) would be a “Re-Told Tales of Spider-Man” story, like the “Death of Jean DeWolff,” which involves Daredevil knowing Spider-Man’s ID as a major plot point.

Stephen Wacker: We’ll only be retelling one story. No need to retell anything else. It all happened.

Tom Brevoort joined the chat

Brian Cronin: Hi, Tom

Tom Brevoort: A Re-Told version of the “Death of Jean DeWolff” would be exactly like the published version.

Tom Brevoort: At that point, Daredevil knew Spidey’s identity.

Brian Cronin: Okay, so that goes to another reader question

Brian Cronin: So the identity change is one of those mystical things that didn’t change the past? Just the present?

Tom Brevoort: Only one thing was changed, and that’s the wedding.

Brian Cronin: But people don’t know Spider-Man’s ID who did before the wedding, right?

Tom Brevoort: Daredevil, the Goblin, Venom, etc. used to know that Pete was Spidey–but after a certain point their memories were erased. That changed as of around the time of “One More Day”. They used to know–everybody used to know–but now they don’t. Exactly how that happened will form the basis of an upcoming story.

Brian Cronin: Gotcha.
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Brian Cronin: Are Liz and little Normie still around?

Stephen Wacker: Normie and Liz in December. Prepare for The Molten Kid!!!
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Brian Cronin: A reader asked about the ethnicity of Eddie Brock’s ex-wife in Venom: Dark Origin. Was that a coloring error or is that a ret-con (She used to be white now she’s black)?

Tom Brevoort: Coloring error.

Stephen Wacker: Coloring error.

Stephen Wacker: I should say a Warren Simons’ sponsored coloring error.

Brian Cronin: Hah

Stephen Wacker: For once it’s not me!


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Brian Cronin: Reader Michael asked: The cab driver in Dan Slott’s first story – was it the same cab driver that drove Detective Gonzales around in the Rashomon issue? Will we see him again?

Stephen Wacker: Yes and yes. Good catch.

Stephen Wacker: He’s a benevolent Travis Bickle.
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Brian Cronin: Reader Glen brings up something that I think is important

Brian Cronin: He says – Was this “Brand New Day” Peter Parker de-aged? And if so, how old would you say the character is?

Brian Cronin: Now, that is a major factor in my mind about having Peter be single, because Peter has NOT been de-aged, but it just feels that way, because when he was married, it seemed like he was 30 when the guy should be mid-20s tops.

Stephen Wacker: My ball park for Peter is mid-20s

Tom Brevoort: Pete is exactly the same nebulous age he was before OMD. He hasn’t been de-aged. We just play him a little younger, that’s all.

Tom Brevoort: When Spider-Man feels like he’s your dad’s age, you’ve got a serious problem.

Brian Cronin: This one fellow did an age chart and got it published in an old issue of West Coast Avengers that was pretty detailed. And he had Peter at 23 back then, so I think 25 is a reasonable age for him now.

Stephen Wacker: That’s pretty cool, but I don’t feel beholden to it.

Tom Brevoort: That sort of thing will only make your head hurt, because characters in various titles don’t age consistently.

Stephen Wacker: I used to do the same types of things for ATARI FORCE and NEW TEEN TITANS.
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Brian Cronin: Is Sins Past in continuity?

Tom Brevoort: Yes, like it or not. Everything that was in continuity is still in continuity, with one exception.
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Brian Cronin: Reader Ashley wanted to know if we would be seeing more of Carlie Cooper

Stephen Wacker: Yes. She’s a big part of Character Assassination coming in a couple months.
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Brian Cronin: Reader M. Waid wanted to know if it was true that Kick-Ass outsells Spider-Man.

Stephen Wacker: Only on the Millar board.

Tom Brevoort: Would Mark Millar lie to you? Could he?

Tom Brevoort: What’s important is that FANTASTIC FOUR outsells KICK-ASS.

Stephen Wacker: Kick Ass does outsell 1985 though.

Stephen Wacker: IS there going to be a sequel to 1985?
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Brian Cronin: Reader Ryan had a good question – Being an election year, is there any policy to try to keep appearances equal among candidates. Or can writers feature whatever candidates they wish, as often as they wish?

Stephen Wacker: There is no equal time clause in the Marvel U., though McCain-Feingold is related to the origins of Kree-Skrull War.
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Brian Cronin: A few readers asked if we will see Peter date in 2009

Stephen Wacker: Here’s the beginning of the solicits to 583: “YOU ASKED FOR IT, YOU GOT IT! PETER PARKER DATES!”
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Brian Cronin: Reader Taimur asked -Was there a reason not to include Swordsman, Moonstone, and Penance with the rest of the T-Bolts in New Ways to Die?

Tom Brevoort: Just a matter of not being able to service that many characters in the space we had.

Tom Brevoort: Just assume those other T-Bolts are off somewhere hunting down NFL SuperPro.
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Brian Cronin: The same reader asked the following threee questions:

Brian Cronin: Will the new Kraven get her own villain moniker or will she just be referred as Kraven?

Tom Brevoort: New Kraven will get a name so you’ll have some way to refer to her.

Stephen Wacker: We call her Kraven around the office, but Ana is acceptable.
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Brian Cronin: – Is the villain Blank who is set to appear in Roger Stern’s December ASM issue the same Blank from his run on West Coast Avengers or a new completely new villain?

Stephen Wacker: Same Blank.

Tom Brevoort: Yes, it’s the same Blank.
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Brian Cronin: I know you probably can’t reveal the creative team on the 600th issue coming out next summer, but can you tell us if one or more writer(s) will be involved?

Tom Brevoort: There’ll be at least one writer involved with AMAZING #600.
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Brian Cronin: One reader asked if there was any past Spider-man villain that you didn’t like at the time that you would like to see a writer revamp and make cool now.

Stephen Wacker: Erik Larsen.

Tom Brevoort: Who’s he? I must’ve missed that issue.

Stephen Wacker: I never much liked Slyde, sorry to say.

Stephen Wacker: I’d like to see Kaine made into something interesting, too.
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Brian Cronin: Reader David asked if you will continue to introduce a lot of new villains once the older villains begin to come back, or will it be mostly re-using the new ones already introduced (like Paper Doll, etc.)

Tom Brevoort: We’ll be doing all three–introducing new guys, bringing back the new villains we’ve used so far, and bringing back and revamping the classic villains.
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Brian Cronin: I didn’t even notice the following, so it may be one of those things where the reader is just flat-out wrong, but if he’s right, it’s an interesting question

Brian Cronin: Where have all the oversized text in the captions gone? I thought it was a good look and it DID make the book stand out visually, I mean…what happened?

Tom Brevoort: Pete stopped talking to himself during “New Ways To Die.” But it’ll come back just as soon as one of the writers opts to use it again.
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Brian Cronin: About villains, another reader wondered if the new villains were mostly joint-created or the creation of the writer who wrote their debut story.

Tom Brevoort: Most of them tended to be the creation of one writer, the guy who wrote their story. So Mr. Negative and Paper Doll were Dan’s, Freak was Bob’s, Li’l Kraven was Gugg with a lot of Phil Jimenez…

Tom Brevoort: And Menace was something of a joint effort.
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Brian Cronin: Reader Shaun has been wondering for over a decade, apparently: Will they ever say what really happened to Lance Bannon way back in Web Of Spider-man? The story line was bad (what a lame villain, F.A.C.A.D.E.), but I’ve been wanting at least someone to come in and end it.

Tom Brevoort: Eventually somebody will inevitably deal with it, but there isn’t really a wellspring of interest. Just assume he was a mutant Inhuman and move on.
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Brian Cronin: Reader Michael asked: Since “Spectacular Spider-Man” is arguably the best animated interpretation of the character ever, is there any chance of getting some members of that writing staff taking a crack at Peter’s world in the Marvel U?

Stephen Wacker: I don’t know the guys from the cartoon, but if they had a good idea, sure.

Stephen Wacker: Brevoort hates Spider-man cartoons though. All of them.
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Brian Cronin: I don’t know whose office this book was announced in, so I don’t know if it fits here, but reader Iyanez asks: What happen to the Genndy Tartakovsky Power Man mini series?

Tom Brevoort: Genndy’s CAGE series is still being worked on. He’s got a day job, y’know?
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Brian Cronin: Reader Patrick wants to know if we’ll be seeing any romance within the supporting cast.

Stephen Wacker: Patrick, we’re already starting to see Lily show interest in Peter.

Tom Brevoort: I’m not going to be dating anybody from the supporting cast, and I don’t think Steve will either. Brennan, maybe.

Stephen Wacker: John Romita Jr. and Aunt May have started dating too since they’re so close in age.
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Brian Cronin: Speaking of romance in the supporting cast – what do you guys think – did Peter sleep with Betty Brant when she was married to Ned Leeds? That recently came up on the blog.

Tom Brevoort: No, Peter wouldn’t have slept with Betty while she was married. If he did, we’d be reading about it it huge self-tortured thought balloons for pages.

Stephen Wacker: We should bring that Spidey back.
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Brian Cronin: Will we see more interaction with Spider-Man and the police (a la the DeWolff days), or is he too much of a fugitive nowadays?

Tom Brevoort: Definitely more interaction between Spidey and the cops–but not necessarily on the same side of the bars.
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Brian Cronin: A few readers asked if Puma will return in the future.

Stephen Wacker: Puma will return but not soon

Brian Cronin: I imagine he’d be pissed about giving Peter and MJ that free vacation for no reason.

Tom Brevoort: They’re good people, they helped him out. And he’s rich–it’s no sweat.
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Brian Cronin: A number of readers asked about the various classic villains – the Doc Ocks, Mysterios, etc. of the world – will any of the classic ones be showing up in 2009?

Stephen Wacker: Most of last weeks retreat was talking about the classics.

Brian Cronin: Cool.

Tom Brevoort: Yes, we’ll be slowly bringing more of the classic Spidey villains back on stage. You’ve seen Norman and Venom already, and you’ve heard about Molten Man…

Stephen Wacker: You may have already seen one classic villain and not realized it.

Tom Brevoort: My, Kraven, how you’ve changed…
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Brian Cronin: One reader wanted to know what the deal was with the pardon Tony Stark offered to any hero who would help during WWH.

Tom Brevoort: That deal was for amnesty, but they’d still have to sign up and register. Seems like not too many people took him up on that.
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Brian Cronin: Reader Mike wants to know what’s the deal with the Osborns’ hair in New Ways to Die?

Tom Brevoort: It’s a sophisticated gel developed by Osborn Chemical. It’s also flame-retardant!

Stephen Wacker: Hair was my fault. JRJr and I had a mis-communication on what we were doing. We’ll try and fix it in the trade.
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Brian Cronin: One reader wanted to know what was the current status of Peter and the Human Torch’s friendship

Tom Brevoort: Spidey and the Torch remain friendly rivals. Pete and Johnny have met, but they’re not especially close.

Stephen Wacker: They’re still friendly.
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Brian Cronin: Reader Stephen wanted to know if Ron Frenz will get a shot at the main book in the future and whether Spider-Man will ever use the black costume.

Tom Brevoort: No immediate plans for Ron on AMAZING, he’s got his plate full with SPIDER-GIRL.

Tom Brevoort: And inevitably we’ll see the black costume again. Possibly early in 2009…
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Brian Cronin: Another reader asked why Spider-Girl was not given more publicity.

Stephen Wacker: Spider-Girl gets a decent amount of promotion, all things considered. Any way you look at it, that book has been a success. What else from the last 10 years has been that steady?

Tom Brevoort: We mention SPIDER-GIRL every chance we get. SPIDER-GIRL!
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Brian Cronin: Reader Magnus wanted to know if we’d be seeing more or less of JJJ in 2009 as compared to 2008

Brian Cronin: Same with MJ – less or more in 09 than in 08

Stephen Wacker: JJJ is in 577 in a few weeks. Spider-Girl!

Tom Brevoort: More JJJ in 2009. SPIDER-GIRL!

Stephen Wacker: MJ is in Spider-Girl!
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Brian Cronin: Reader Chris asked: How does a reader maintain an interest in Peter Parker’s personal life if it is known that, as a matter of editorial policy, he is destined never to get the girl?

Stephen Wacker: Chris made that rule up, so it’s a bit of a stacked deck.

Tom Brevoort: Pete can get the girl, he just can’t marry the girl.

Stephen Wacker: Pete got the girl. Had her for 20 years. Then something broke them up.

Stephen Wacker: It’s a soap opera – that kind of thing happens.

Tom Brevoort: SPIDER-GIRL!
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Brian Cronin: Reader Taimur asks if Peter will ever find out about what happened to the Steel Spider

Stephen Wacker: Warren messed him up…which was a real slap in the face to my childhood!

Tom Brevoort: In terms of the Steel Spider, anything’s possible, but there aren’t any immediate plans.
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Brian Cronin: Besides not using the classic villains, were there any other “rules” that the writers had to adhere to in the early days of BND?

Stephen Wacker: I mandated that everyone must have the webshooters fail.

Brian Cronin: Ha!

Stephen Wacker: Seriously, we did all agree to not dwell on One More Day right away and to jump right into new stories.

Tom Brevoort: They all had to say how much they liked 52.

Stephen Wacker: Hey, I edited most of that!

Stephen Wacker: Brian, did you like 52?

Brian Cronin: I liked Matt Fraction’s review of 52 the best!

Stephen Wacker: 52…Great weekly comic, or GREATEST weekly comic?

Stephen Wacker: Before 1985…there was….52!
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Brian Cronin: I collected all the various writers and artists people wanted to know if there are plans to have do Spider-Man stories, and I figure I’ll post them all at once:

Brian Cronin: JM DeMatties, Matt Fraction, Ed Brubaker, Peter David, Brian Reed, Jeff Parker, or Jason Aaron?

Stephen Wacker: I think most of those guys are writing a Spidey story of one kind or another in the next year. Not all for my office though.

Brian Cronin: And on the art-side – Leinil Yu, Terry Dodson, a return of Steve McNiven, Frazer Irving, Arthur Adams or Mike Allred?

Tom Brevoort: Most of them are tied up elsewhere at the moment, but down the line you never know.
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Brian Cronin: That’s about it for reader questions

Brian Cronin: Although, I can always return to the guy with the constructive criticism: You know that the Clone Saga debacle was a masterpiece compared to this BND debacle, right?

Brian Cronin: I like the “right” parts he sprinkles in, like he’s going to catch someone off-guard and they’re going to say yes. “Yes, I do know…oh crap, I’ve undone myself!”

Stephen Wacker: I declare that he may not read Spider-Man again. There. He’s cured.

Stephen Wacker: It’s all due to be reversed in issue 950…see ya then!

Tom Brevoort: Why, that reads like the kind of thing that gets posted over at my blog day in and day out…

Stephen Wacker: Brevoort can work a blog plug into any answer. Try him…

Tom Brevoort: SPIDER-GIRL!

Stephen Wacker: Tom, what was 52′s greatest failing?

Tom Brevoort: It wasn’t mentioned often enough on my blog
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Brian Cronin: I asked Steve this, Tom, but since you’re here, I’ll ask you, too – can you recall any particularly good convoluted criticism?

Brian Cronin: You know, like a post designed to LOOK like it’s being normal, then it sneaks in insults.

Tom Brevoort: Most of the criticism I see is relatively blatant and obvious. I guess they figure I’m not sophisticated enough to read between the lines.

Brian Cronin: By the by, a few of the above questions had stuff like that mixed in that I had to delete. Like the question about the captions, after “What happened?” was “What happened, did your balls drop off?”

Tom Brevoort: Hey, like in that movie!

Stephen Wacker: If the 1-point caption size difference is bugging someone that much then we’re doing something right. Did Waid ask that?
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Stephen Wacker: Thanks for doing this, Brian.

Brian Cronin: Thank you guys for coming out!

78 Comments

Dang you didn’t ask my question about the outlaws returning. Someone else asked the same question also. Dang.

Thanks for addressing more than a few points Brian. That was a fun read (moreso than I had expected- SPIDER GIRL!), and definitely sheds some light on how they are playing off the (non)continuity glitches. So things still happened (minus one), but then something came along…

On my trades question, he answered the one about different formats, but forgot the one about sales, which was more interesting.

I don’t care about the marriage/non-marriage polemic, but I am interested to know if the thrice-monthly schedule had affected trade sales. Oh, well.

The new Spider-Man scheduling is FAR more interesting (and may have FAR more long-term effect on US comics publishing) than that insipid marriage discussion…

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)

Thank goodness they mention somethings about Spider-girl.

“When you grow up a chubby, stuttering vagabond kid named Wacker, the insults tend to all run together.”

LOL! Co-Me-Dy!

Did Spiderman’s unmasking during Civil War, actually affect anyone or cause anything to happen (plot-wise)? Because I am guessing, either after BND, Peter did unmask and everyone forgot or he never unmasked.

It’s question! WOOHOO!!! Now Hobby? Ok, I’ll deal…

Glad to know I’m not the only one who wants to know who offed Lance Bannon! :)

Thanks for doing this Brian! :)

I love the whole “We broke up Spidey because fans deserved a single Spider-man” becomes “We only follow the creators, not the fans.”

It mixes nicely with the “We did the retcon to help introduce new fans” and the “We are sailing by on subscriptions so we don’t care about the sales numbers”. Sales are down and they got the subscriptions based off a huge discount which was offered prior to OMD. Can’t wait to say what happens when those subscriptions run out.

Of all the condescending, self-important….

Stan Lee would have never, EVER dissed fans for giving their opinion of a character or storyline. Wacker and Brevoort – get a clue. Other than extreme fanboys who must buy EVERYTHING, your readers dictate what sells by BUYING. If 70% of the readers don’t like what you’re writing, the book will be cancelled, unless of course it’s one of the big 10 (Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wonderwoman, Iron-Man, Captain America, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Avengers and JLA), then the creators will get the boot. That’s how it’s always been.

Change everything you want. That’s fine. But never suggest the fans are stupid or unwanted. You known “you can stop reading now” is something your bosses NEVER want. If half your fanbase took that to heart, you’d be out of work.

Roger Stern returns to Spidey (my all-time favourite Spidey writer)!

My regular blogging pitstops; Breevort and Brian in the same place!

And that future Spider-man plot from the JMS run hasn’t been entirely forgotten.

Henceforth, I dub thee; “The Good News Blog!”

Whoops, too many “ee”, not enough “oo,”s, although I do feel an urge to get some cheese!

I am glad they plan on using the black costume again. I think the movie really screwed up the look of the classic black and I think it’s cool that such an iconic character can have two different yet distinctive looks. No other characters that I can think of have two different looks that are both classic and practicle for a superhero to use. The black costume should be used more when Spidey is out at night. The classic red and blues for the day time. Add in a few bad days when Pete has costume problems and you have a light humor story where he has to use parts of both etc.

If everything happened except one exception (the marriage), how is it that no one remembers who Peter is after Civil War? If he unmasked in front of everyone, the newspapers and news must’ve reported his identity a million times over. So anyone who ever picked up a copy of the Daily Bugle and kept a copy must know who Spidey is. Even if everyone’s memories were wiped doesn’t mean that the articles in the papers and broadcasts on the news weren’t made at the time.

Someone really has to address that huge elephant sitting in the corner of the room.

well… that and Harry’s now non-demise and the reversal of what was a pretty memorable Spectacular Spider Man arc- though frankly Harry breaking down was so much less of an interesting choice than they way he was leaning only a few story-lines before, actually trying to use the Goblin as a force for good to re-invent his father’s legacy. But hey, if you’re an Osborn, you’ve evidently got th’ crazy in ya, no matter what.

Which pretty much makes what happens in Harry’s new life now a foregone conclusion. Me, I’d just like to see him enjoy running a Starbucks knock-off. The stuff of great comics? Perhaps not. A nice break for a guy that’s been put through quite the ringer in many mean-spirited storylines? Yep- I’d say he’s earned sitting back and having a 9-5 job. Maybe if he instituted a Coffee-Goblin mascot…

Hm – doesn’t look like my question made the cut. Bummer.

Well, I guess on the bright side I get to write about it in an upcoming column!

Since the mutant population has currently decreased to just a few hundred there won’t be a mutant Scarlet Spider? I hear there’s still alot of crazy talk about bringing back Ben Reilly (Doctor Strange could’ve did that a long time ago). If this is true, how is Reilly being brought back?

Ben Reilly had a sex change to further differentiate himself from Peter. He’s actually Jackpot.

When Brevoort says the wedding is the only thing that’s changed, how does that explain Harry?

I wonder how deep that “no one” goes in the “no one knows Peter is Spidey” statement…

Does it really include people with Cosmic Awareness? (the -Vell family talent, among others…)

The Watcher? Mephisto himself?

“Really, if the fans really had control over the reins, Bucky wouldn’t be back, Daredevil would never be a ninja, Doctor Manhattan would be Captain Atom and a million other things that a section of people didn’t agree with at first.”

Dude, seriously, that’s not the same thing. Those things you mention are “new ideas” while you’re just recycling old stories and modifying them with hopes we’re dumb enough to not notice while having stories like the symbiote one to force BND on us. Like saying BND was a success because of stories that could of happened without the reboot.

Those were ideas based on the imagination while you been throwing in nothing but gimmicks like you’re DC after a reboot.

If you want us to take you seriously, then don’t treat us like idiots who got into comics to feed your egos when we did it as a hobby. Our lives have purpose without you and you’re not leaders, you’re so called creators who see themselves more then they really are which is what is pissing a lot of readers, not change which is what BND is not.

Please get over yourselves and start focusing on the plots and less on the 15 minutes of fame main events. In fact, ask the “independent” writers for pointers since they’ve been known to use their imagination and not their egos when working on a project. And no, using your imagination on the publicity and fancy promises doesn’t count.

The people who SHOULD still know Spider-Man is Peter Parker:

Daredevil
The Black Cat
The Green Goblin (Norman Osborne)
Eddie Brock

Tony Stark, Nick Fury and any other top-level SHIELD agent. Didn’t Fury make it a point to reveal that SHIELD was aware of everyone’s secret identity well before Civil War?

Still not sure how BND is better without the marriage. The whole Cop-roommate is no different than Robbie Robertson roommate. Editors keep saying this is for the best meanwhile JQ rode Spider-man into the ground the last ten years by:
getting rid of Peter’s entire supporting cast,
his job,
his home (sleeping in an alley getting mugged by a teen, FTW?)
Giving him a half dozen new powers,
and following the well trodden Bendis formula of a hero-losing-his-secret-indentity.”

But of course, Spider-man needed to be relaunched because Petey was married. After all, Quesada’s life was far more interesting when he was single. Of course JQ was also saving NYC on a daily basis back then and not living in Avengers Tower.

Does Peter Parker got plans on switching up to the Spider-Girl costume?

hello to all the spider-staff– I’m a fan and I would love it if you guys would create a new Human Fly villain, I think that’s something that would be cool..

I stopped reading Spiderman with the end of JMS run and the start of BND. So now that some time has passed I think I know the right way to reboot Spiderman, which is do what they did with Superman. End the current run, take a month off and then start the new series with a new number 1. What happened in the past is in the past and this is the current series. No magic deals with the devils, no punching walls of the multiverse. In my mind, it is less insulting to the readers and JMS. Also it has to be less painful then saying “nothing changed but the marriage”

Great read. Thanks for doing this.

SPIDER-GIRL!

“I am more guided most of all, by the instincts of my creators.”
He’s a polytheist?

You know i respect the fact that marvel creative thinks that Brand New Day was the right way to go. I Hate the very Thought of Brand new Day so i respectfully say that they can bugger off I’m not buying. and i say if you don’t like it don’t buy it. Check out WildCats, Or Final Crisis the Batman books are good. Invincible, Spawn or anything else if you don’t like Brand New Day or the new Spidey status,Pick up a comic you might not have before. no more complaints they wont listed. Give the Walking dead a shot Buy Savage Dragon heck I herd umbrella academy is good. JUST SAY NO TO JOE and give some one else a shot.

Interesting that we’re being told that only one story has changed.

If the marriage really never happened, then obviously more than one story has changed at least slightly. I mean, Peter and MJ living together could still have run into most of the problems they did; the slight change of not being married could presumably be glossed over.

But, this does imply that the clone saga did happen, mostly as described; meaning, Peter lost his powers for a short while, Peter and MJ moved away – and MJ presumably did get pregnant.

I’ve said it before – if Peter and MJ had fundamentally the same relationship as we’ve seen for the past 20 years, but weren’t actually married, then this whole “can’t have a divorced Spider-Man” is really a bit of a crock. If they’d been together that long (If we assume Spidey’s been around for 10-12 years MU time, the marriage/committed monogamous relationship with MJ should have lasted at least 4-5 years), then the severing of the relationship has all the same force as if they were married, and involves as big a betrayal of trust and commitment. It just avoids the word “divorced” (and even that might not be true – not really up on what defines a common-law marriage, and how they have to be severed).

Also, it implies that Harry became the Goblin – first the one driven mad by his father’s death, then the first heroic one, then the one driven mad by his father’s potions and manipulations. And, especially given that cover short, Harry may have died after all.

Also, we’re told flat-out that everyone who once knew Spidey’s identity DID KNOW SPIDEY’S IDENTITY!!

Again, if only one story changed, then Peter did indeed have enhanced abilities prior to the end of OMD, but lost them before the beginning of BND – there were two stories that boosted his abilities, the Disassembled story and “The Other”.

So, what we’re being led to believe is that most (if not all) of the following occurred in the “the gap”:
– Spider-Man’s identity was wiped from the minds of everyone on Earth;
– Harry Osborn came back from the dead (maybe), and everyone on Earth was convinced he didn’t die and has been in Europe in rehab for an unknown period of time;
– Peter and MJ broke up, for some reason
– Peter quit his teaching job, for some reason (or, if he had quit before OMD, he chose not to go back to it)
– Peter lost his enhanced abilities (presumably – I believe the only enhanced ability he almost had to lose was the organic webshooters)

If the “one story” that changed enough that it needed to be retold was the wedding story, then the above all pretty much have to be true.

By the way, they’re lying about mentioning Spider-Girl every chance they get, as they didn’t bother to mention that the Hobgoblin has played a major role in that book for most of the past two years (basically AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL 1-18 or so).

“Stephen Wacker: You can tell everyone up top that we aren’t going to stop publishing Spidey or go back to Pete being married, so if that drives you nuts, you can stop reading now.”

Oh, trust me Stephen, alot of people stopped reading a while back…

Thanks for using my cab driver question. :)

I have to agree with the frustration evidenced against the editorial staff of the Spider-Man books over the last several years. Many recent changes to the character (the revelation of his identity to Aunt May, his taking up a teaching career full-time (he’d subbed several years ago), the two power boosts he received, the decision to reveal his identity to the world) were seeming reversed in an instant, with nothing but promises that an explanation would be forthcoming.

Did the editorial staff believe that these changes were a good idea to begin with, and simply decide to throw out a number of changes they didn’t feel had worked as well as they hoped given an opportunity?

Or (as seems extremely likely in the secret identity case) did they decide to make a change knowing full well they would be hitting the “reset” button, so they wouldn’t have to live with the consequences for all that long (The identity reveal may have been the status quo for longer than the average creator’s tenure on most comics, but it didn’t last that long from the standpoint of the character’s corporate owner and their history).

When CIVIL WAR #2 hit, Joe Quesada was asked if the identity reveal was simply going to be undone, and if it wasn’t even more limiting than the marriage in terms of the stories they could tell; his response seemed to indicate that Marvel as a whole believed that the change would open up a whole new world of territory to explore. Given the timeframes involved, from everything we’ve been told, this would appear to be an outright lie; OMD almost had to be in the planning stages, and I really doubt that the identity reveal was intended to survive that.

As other have also brought up, if the editorial staff believes it’s important to have a significant supporting cast, and especially some of the older characters (Harry, Flash, Betty), then maybe they should find creators who’ll use those characters. Of course, Paul Jenkins used Flash, and Peter David (in FRIENDLY) used both Flash and Betty extensively, so that doesn’t seem like a valid complaint. To me, the biggest problem with the supporting case was that, over the past 20 years or so, creators were allowed to ignore most of the cast, and newly created characters tended to only be used by their creators.

To the best of my understanding, a part of the role of creators and editors on a corporate-owned, work-for-hire character is this: The creators decide what stories they want to tell, and what changes (permanent, permanent-for-now, or truly temporary) they want to make, or feel they need to make to tell their stories. Editors decide if the stories seem marketable, avoid damaging the brand in the short- and long-term, and fit in with any overall corporate direction (both internal (editorial across the publishing arm) and external (from higher-ups in the company, who may be concerned with image, or with fitting in well with other media representations)). While editors can choose to a creator carte blanche, the creator shouldn’t be able to override what the editor feels is the right thing to do. The editor is essentially the creator’s boss. Now, the editor’s boss can always override the editor, but barring that, the editor is in control.

So, if the Marvel editorial staff feel that such horrible decisions have been made, maybe Joe Quesada should look at his editorial picks more closely, as they’re the ones who should have avoided these bad decisions over the past few years.

Unless, of course, they’ve been planning on hitting a gigantic “reset” button for the past eight years or so….

I thought it was a good interview but I still think some of the tough questions were held back. I would of liked to know how doing a deal with the devil is a better storyline for a parent to let his child read than getting a divorce which is unfortunately a regular part of modern life but widely accepted.

Wacker wasn’t the editor of the book during One More Day, Gus, so I didn’t think it really made much sense to ask him about the decisions of One More Day.

But Peter DID angst about sleeping with married Betty!!

I wonder if they saw the context or not..

Nice read…

But they didnt make the most important question….

WHEN Ben reilly will be backkkkkkkk!!???

The best single Spidey everrrrrr

Seems like a real F U to fans that actually want to know ….crazy things, like…answers to how did we get here to this new status quo. All I got was “don’t worry about it….what’s done is done…move on”

But that’s not serial story telling….we need an explanation….even a lame one.

Man, Quesada really $#&*(@ed those guys over with OMD. No matter what, even if the Spidey stories we get are the best ever (and we’re very far from that right now), they’ll still feel strange and tainted because of the event that precluded them.

And it seems fairly obvious that the whole “let’s jump right in and deal with explaining what happened to make everyone forget Spider-Man/explain why Harry’s back somehow” thing is done for one of two reasons (or both):

1) Boost sales in 2009, as even the compulsive complainers won’t be able to resist checking out the story, because at least it will give them something to bitch about

2) They had no bloody clue as to what Quesada had planned, so have to take another year to figure it all out

Best of luck, mates, I’m done.

THe sad fact is that Spider-man is done. The poor writers are stuck with this poor sap of a character in place of where Peter Parker used to be and insulted the readership by promising never-ending huge stories that had no ending and weren’t going to have any consequences except that book has lost all credibility and Peter Parker is now the most pathetic person in the Marvel Universe. Well, if his actions had no consequences and were pretty poor decisions to begin with there is no reason for this stuff to go on.

For the record, some context for the “sleeping with Betty”

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4270621.html —- part 1

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4280427.html —- part 2 (where it allegedly occurs)

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/4287640.html —- part 3

I have to agree with the frustration evidenced against the editorial staff of the Spider-Man books over the last several years. Many recent changes to the character … were seeming reversed in an instant, with nothing but promises that an explanation would be forthcoming.

It’s like what DC did with Jason Todd “he’s back… we’ll explain it later! And the storyline possibilities will be ENDLESS!” I just wrote about this on my blog… Endless possibilities, indeed.

Wacker’s comments here make me hopeful that there’s some long-term Spidey plans, but who knows in this industry…

Wow, is this what I sounded like back in 1986 after reading MAN OF STEEL? I bet it was.

“Stan Lee would never have done this!” “Stan Lee would never have done that!” Yeah, yeah. If Stan Lee’d had to endure internet message boards, he would have gone into aluminum siding.

Wait for it…wait for it…

INCOMING!!!!

I think the Johnny Storm/Spidey relationship is the most disappointing answer out of the whole bunch. You know, I don’t agree with the editorial decisions of One More Day, but I understand it if nothing else. But I think that the thing I miss the most is the identity. Sure, the unmasking in Civil War was a bad idea, but I really liked that Peter had a couple of like-minded friends (Daredevil, Human Torch) who knew who he was. I also liked the Richards/Parker extended family thing that Slott set up in his Spider-Man/Human Torch mini, too.

Poo.

-M

FunkyGreenJerusalem

September 25, 2008 at 12:45 am

Wow, is this what I sounded like back in 1986 after reading MAN OF STEEL? I bet it was.

“Stan Lee would never have done this!” “Stan Lee would never have done that!” Yeah, yeah. If Stan Lee’d had to endure internet message boards, he would have gone into aluminum siding.

Wait for it…wait for it…

INCOMING!!!!

I don’t know… the best Superman story in recent years was set during the Silver Age, Birthright changed a lot of Byrnes take on the character and the Superman 2000 proposal you were in on seemed to want to step back as well….

Just saying is all…

But Ben, Mark is in SUPPORT of the move to bring Spider-Man “back to basics,” not criticizing it.

Any criticism he is expressing is at how fans have carried themselves, not the change itself.

So naming examples of other “back to basics” comics is not disagreeing with him.

“Wow, is this what I sounded like back in 1986 after reading MAN OF STEEL? I bet it was.”

It’s been over 20 years and there are STILL people out there who don’t miss an opportunity to say that John Byrne destroyed Superman. 20 friggin’ years! I can’t stand hearing it anymore, so imagine what John Byrne feels.

I hope you’ll be more understanding of him from now on…

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)

it’s funny about the man of steel thing – you know, that means that a few bitter “fans” will talk about brand new day the same way in a couple decades, regardless of how great it may prove to be. i think it’s been excellent so far. possibly the best spider-man run i’ve read actually, and i started collecting from the beginnning of straczynski’s run and bendis’ ultimate version.

you secretly wanted to quote the dark knight too mr cronin, i see how you snuck that one in there all casual-like ;)

Well, “Fanboy d”, for what’s worth, I’ve read almost everything Spider-Man out there (mostly in reprints, of course) and Straczynski’s run is EASILY the worst. So you can still read a lot of good Spidey out there.

Get the Essentials for Stan Lee’s seminal run and the first Roger Stern visionaires (hope there will be more). Those are the great runs! I think Brand New Day is cool too, but my vision may be tainted by 10+ years of truly terrible Spider-Man stories.

And, yeah, I’m quite sure we’ll be hearing people complain about OMD in 20 or so years. The Clone Saga is mostly forgotten (some people even seem to remember it fondly…), Mackie and Byrne’s “soft reboot” has long been put aside (Byrne still has to hear from the Man of Steel haters, though), even “Sins Past” and “The Other” are on their way out. But this? This will still be generating hate mail in our grandsons’ time!

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)

“If Stan Lee’d had to endure internet message boards, he would have gone into aluminum siding.”

That is a funny statement to me, Mark. I mean it’s not like any creators HAVE to go to internet message boards. Nothing to say they can’t, and I am glad they do, but the idea of ENDURING the criticism of a bunch of faceless avatars is hilarious to me. It is different if you are at convention having a Q & A, and some fans is giving you a bunch of crap, but the internets you just got to take with a grain of salt or something.

Adam aka Rebel Dragon

You will notice that, twenty years later, pretty much every single ornamentation and frippery of the Silver and Bronze ages that Byrne stripped off of the Superman mythos has been restored, some multiple times over*, and the most significant changes that he made to the major villains and supporting cast have been reverted, and that the most popular work starring the character in more than a decade was based not on his vision but on the one that he rejected.

I expect things to be the same with regard to ODM well before 2028.

*: Well, except for Vartox. At least to the best of my knowledge.

Damn good point Jeff. I got in on “Man of Steel” b/c for me, it was a nice, clean, non-convoluted start for a guy new to comics that couldn’t be bothered to figure out which powers Supes had in the catalog numbering twenteleventeen, and how many Kryptonians were running around and was he a reporter or news anchor or…

The fact that I was a Byrne junkie at the time didn’t hurt either.

Since then, Birthright added Smallville elements and gave the Kryptonians their personality back rather than being a cold, emotionless race, Jeph Loeb brough back every character I never gave a crap about (did we really need Krypto? Was the Matrix Supergirl really such a horrid idea if it gave us a fully realized Supergirl but still left Clark the last survivor of his race?) And if I recall correctly, there have also been dozens of teeny tiny retcons thrown in here and there by various writers. I’m sure more folks can fill in the blanks or correct me.

By this point all we’re missing is Streaky, Beppo and that frigging horse. I think the only Byrne concepts still in place are the fact that Jonathan Kent is still alive and Clark is not an incompetent milksop.

Point is, change happens, and change back happens. I’m sure we’ll see Peter and MJ married again inside of 6-7 years.

Of course, unlike all the Superman retcons, its a bit disconcerting to see Peter or MJ sleeping around now, even if their marriage/history is kaput- after all, that kind of cements things being over and done without any true resolution.

Black Cat yeah!

No Hobgoblin Booooooooo!

Puma have Kraven Skin him!

“Stan Lee would never have done this!” “Stan Lee would never have done that!” Yeah, yeah. If Stan Lee’d had to endure internet message boards, he would have gone into aluminum siding.

Stan Lee did a lot more than have to endure message boards. He went on tour. He answered college students face-to-face, accepting their opinions, explaining his own, suggesting he would take their thoughts under advisement. I know. I was there. Never once did he suggest that fan’s opinions meant nothing. At least not in public. Leave that to a handful of modern creators who are so self-absorbed and self-important that they believe publishers will continue putting out their work even if fans don’t like it.

@ Dreighton re:

Seems like a real F U to fans that actually want to know ….crazy things, like…answers to how did we get here to this new status quo. All I got was “don’t worry about it….what’s done is done…move on”

But that’s not serial story telling….we need an explanation….even a lame one.

but this isn’t serial storytelling. it’s a Q&A/interview at a blog. meanwhile, whereas i didn’t read anything like “what’s don is done… move on” during the Q&A, i DID read this:

Tom Brevoort: Daredevil, the Goblin, Venom, etc. used to know that Pete was Spidey–but after a certain point their memories were erased. That changed as of around the time of “One More Day”. They used to know–everybody used to know–but now they don’t. Exactly how that happened will form the basis of an upcoming story.

so either read the ACTUAL serial storytelling and stop expecting revelations on a blog, or stop complaining.

Jeff R. You didn’t get it. The married Spidey is the Byrne retcon. We have the silber/bronze age one right now.

I would like to know if Amazing is outselling itself from it’s pre BND numbers. (of course taking it per issue, not all 3 per month cumalitively).

I think 3x per month was a good idea. I think they’ve brought some good creators in. I was never a huge fan of the marriage and wouldn’t mind it having been undone. BUT that’s no excuse for a poorly told retcon that makes little or no sense, despite other examples of similar story telling elements (ala Iron Man)

I think it’s Lazy, and this is the biggest editorial snow job since John McCain tried to define the Economy as the “american worker”. It’s just lame. A much better story could have been told.

Doug L.

oh and at least one answer to a readers comment… JJJ had launched a lawsuit against peter parker as a result of the unmasking, so i guess they just “forgot” about that.

Doug L.

Weird cheap shot at Erik Larsen from Wacker.

Wow. Highly disrespectful, and really gave no information whatsoever. Par for the course on things coming out of Joe Q and his editors in interviews. Shame too, just showing a shred of respect could bring back a few readers.

Well they’ve got their wish, I have no intention of continuing to read anything produced by them after that interview. I’ve been reading Spidey on and off for 25 years, started off on the Marvel Tales reprints of classic Lee/Ditko Spidey so I grew up with single Spidey same as the current creators, I’m not stuck in the past like them though. if you can’t write a fun interesting married Spidey then Marvel just needs to get better writers.

Mark Waid go Boom!

If Wacker and Brevoort want to be comedians, then I suggest they quit their day jobs and join the comedy club circuit.

Until then, they should quit with the lame wannabe comedy act and work at making Spider-Man good again. I tried to read a couple of the newest issues, and this book is just awful.

That deal with the Devil hasn’t worked out well.

And NOBODY believes Marvel could just survive on the subscription sales. That’s just horsespit.

All you need to know about the direction of the sales on Amazing Spider-Man is that they are so desperate to stop the bleeding that every issue now has a 50/50 variant.

Funny how Wacker says, “Fans want things to stay like they were whenever they personally liked it best”

Does this guy actually listen to himself speak?

Make no mistake, the people running the industry today are ‘fans’, ‘fans’ from WAY back. Many of them grew up on a very healthy diet of Unmarried Spider-Man.

Why do many creators SO dislike married Peter Parker?

a) They are fans who want things to stay like they were whenever they personally liked it best –which was unmarried, when THEY were reading Spider-Man.

b) If Spider-Man remains in a non-developing circle, a mandate that states ‘he must never get married’, then essentially, he is staying the same forever, prohibiting growth, change and development. Hence, by never allowing him to marry, those creators are basically stating Parker must remain THE SAME — forecer, just as resistant to change as the fans they condemn.

c) Who says the creators running the industry really do know what’s best? Just because someone has a job in a particular industry, doesn’t mean they’re right for that job. And today, the industry is literally INFESTED with people who really, should find another job. Proof of that is in the sales figures and those who claim comics are selling better now than ever show how long they’ve been reading comics when they make that statement. Comics are making more money only because the price is higher. Actual copy sales are the lowest in the entire history of the medium. And for 2008, comics are in a 7 month sales decline. That says a whole lot about what the creators in the industry know, cause they’re running the show.

d) If these creators really did know what was good for the industry, they wouldn’t have such a difficult time attracting new readers. Attracting new readers isn’t as difficult as some make it sound. All you have to do is produce really good material, the rest will take care of itself. If its good, one person recommends it to another and so on. Word of mouth spreads and sales improve. If sales aren’t improving, its probably because the material isn’t as good as these creators like to believe it is. Then again, what creator will ever admit, ‘Yeah, my work really does suck.’

So Wacker, just because the creators think something is best, doesn’t mean it is. And those fans you say, the ones who like things to always stay the same? Kettle meet pot, pot meet kettle. But all that aside, I grew up on single Peter Parker for a very long time, I bought the issue he got married in right off the stands and you know what? I liked married Peter Parker better. Why? Because the character wasn’t staying the same anymore.

He changed. And all you creators can’t deal with the fact that he changed. You want him to remain the same, forever.

e) People can say the industry is dying, internet and computer games inhibit sales — BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

… e) People can say the industry is dying, internet and computer games inhibit sales — BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. People could say the same thing about books and you know what, books are still here. If the industry IS dying, its because these egomanical creators who believe ‘they know what’s best’, are running it into the ground.

Paul:
“Of all the condescending, self-important….

Stan Lee would have never, EVER dissed fans for giving their opinion of a character or storyline. Wacker and Brevoort – get a clue. Other than extreme fanboys who must buy EVERYTHING, your readers dictate what sells by BUYING. If 70% of the readers don’t like what you’re writing, the book will be cancelled, unless of course it’s one of the big 10 (Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wonderwoman, Iron-Man, Captain America, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Avengers and JLA), then the creators will get the boot. That’s how it’s always been.

Change everything you want. That’s fine. But never suggest the fans are stupid or unwanted. You known “you can stop reading now” is something your bosses NEVER want. If half your fanbase took that to heart, you’d be out of work.”

Exactly. Give the man a cigar! He gets it!

And that’s the why comics don’t sell as well today, they’re making money only because of the higher price point but make no mistake, less people are reading comics today than ever. Because these are the thought processes of those running the industry today, garnering the worst circulation figures in the history of the medium. They look down on their readership, are so inflated by ego they think they’re invincible, they can say whatever they want to the people who buy their work. It’s condescending and without cause because the work they’re producting really and truly sucks. So where this ego comes from is beyond us all but again, this is why they are literally running the medium into the ground

These people obviously think working for Marvel automatically makes them the best in the business and that everything they write is “magically” the best.

Sadly, they’re too busy trying to come up with the “next big thing” that they forget to come up with a plan that’s called a plot. This comic book revolution that they think is happening at Marvel is all in their heads and you would think there wouldn’t be any room for that with the size of their egos that they keep showing us in these interviews

I saw Ty Templeton at a convention in July– I gather he works with Dan Slott (and pretty much acts as an uncredited co-writer with Slott)– on a panel about One More Day and he told the story of hearing from Dan Slott while he was at the Spider-summit to sort out Brand New Day. At that point were deciding what the new world order would be and they actually had to put to a vote whether or not to bring back Gwen Stacy (like they did Harry Osborn– ‘nothing has changed except for the marriage…um, best friend undead?). Apparently keeping Gwen dead won on the wisdom that Peter was more of a loser by having a dead ex-girlfriend.

I could not believe that. It’s a character that’s been dead since 1973. Her death is the most important event that defined Spider-Man (and indeed Marvel) since then. Why is that conversation even happening, much less being put to a vote?

It illustrated for me that people running the show at Marvel want Spider-Man to be what they grew up reading in 1968. (And the same is true for people at DC– thanks for bringing back Barry Allen, there). I have to say that I don’t mind that necessarily. I just wish they’d have the guts to admit that every so often.

It also gives me hope that when they’re retired, another generation will come in and bring back the marriage or something else from 1987 or 1992 that we liked.

The current Spider-man editors need to be fired. This book is consistently the biggest waste of time, money, and paper I can barely stand it. I mean, if you are gonna have the balls to reset continuity for a bigger payday, at least make it work! Amazing Spider-man is more god-awful than ever and these editors do nothing but make smug comments about it. I can’t wait until these assholes get fired.

PS- Ripping on Erik Larsen? He did more for Spider-man than you failures can even dream about. Pathetic.

If nothing in continuity has been changed except the marriage, how is Harry Osborn alive again?

FunkyGreenJerusalem

September 28, 2008 at 6:13 pm

But Ben, Mark is in SUPPORT of the move to bring Spider-Man “back to basics,” not criticizing it.

Any criticism he is expressing is at how fans have carried themselves, not the change itself.

So naming examples of other “back to basics” comics is not disagreeing with him.

Yeah, but what I’m saying is he’s complaining about fans whinging about the change, and yet today’s professionals are quite happy to undo the changes they don’t like.
Just struck me as odd that he used the comparison of him in the 80′s complaining about Byrne’s retcon – when he had a very successful series that was all about changing Byrne’s run (and several other successful series are about undoing that as well)…
So he may be making fun of his 80′s self, but I’m assuming he must still think that he was right – and that there’s the chance the fans of today are as well.

For a fun side story though, I picked up the second BND trade at the shop for a flick through, just because all this was fresh in my mind, and it opened up to Bachelo art… then I flicked back and it was Jimenz… and so I was sold…
And after reading it, I’ll probably pick up the first one for a see, and the third one, and if they are of the same level of quality, I’m probably in on this…

FunkyGreenJerusalem

September 28, 2008 at 6:16 pm

It illustrated for me that people running the show at Marvel want Spider-Man to be what they grew up reading in 1968. (And the same is true for people at DC– thanks for bringing back Barry Allen, there). I have to say that I don’t mind that necessarily. I just wish they’d have the guts to admit that every so often.

I thought they did in that interview where Joe Q said ‘And Harry is back as Peters friend… How cool is that?’

I don’t think that was in the books during my life time, so I’m not sure where the selling point there was meant to be…

[...] asked the question of Marvel Executive Editor Tom Brevoort, in a recent chat I did with Brevoort and Amazing Spider-Man Editor Steve Wacker, and Tom had the following response: No, Peter wouldn’t have slept with Betty while she was [...]

“Stephen Wacker: No one remembers Spidey’s ID. Except Peter.”

Does this include Mephisto?

[...] thing I didn’t get a chance to bring up before: COMICS SHOULD BE GOOD has a chat interview posted with AMAZING SPIDER-MAN editor Steve Wacker that was promoted last week by the site as a [...]

I knew it! Spider-Man’s still magic! I win!

I win half. The Peter/Mary Jane thing is still a complete regression, and now the whole thing, even if in the short run is entertaining, is now developmentally stunted. This will be fixed eventually, but I have no interest in the meantime.

‘Of all the condescending, self-important….

Stan Lee would have never, EVER dissed fans for giving their opinion of a character or storyline. Wacker and Brevoort – get a clue. Other than extreme fanboys who must buy EVERYTHING, your readers dictate what sells by BUYING. If 70% of the readers don’t like what you’re writing, the book will be cancelled, unless of course it’s one of the big 10 (Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wonderwoman, Iron-Man, Captain America, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Avengers and JLA), then the creators will get the boot. That’s how it’s always been.

Change everything you want. That’s fine. But never suggest the fans are stupid or unwanted. You known “you can stop reading now” is something your bosses NEVER want. If half your fanbase took that to heart, you’d be out of work.

I am with you 100% on this statement. If I had ever spoken like the way Wacker did to my clients or customers I would have been out of a job so fast my head would have spun. What a pig. I just started adding the Spidey trades to my pull list. But I think that I will drop them. I’m not giving my money to someone who has that kind of attitude.

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